A1 build

be sure to get real original colt parts or internet gun autists will bully you

>>33974280
Haven't found any, shit seems like its all gone or insanely expensive.

>>33974259
Get on the waiting list for a NDS-16A1.

http://nodakspud.com/AR%20Lowers.htm

Gonna have to wait 9 months, but if you put that shit on an A2 lower we will bully you forever.

>>33974295
That is the main problem with an A1 build. Do you build with the most authentic parts, or do you build something that is close enough. I would go the latter because I am a poorfag, and the parts don't matter to me.

>>33974321
I'm going to agree with you. I have some money, but not enough to be able to get into obsessive detail about this thing.
>>33974317
>9 (nine) months
jesus
How is it worth it?

>>33974343
Just get an anderson a2 lower. It has a horse on it. Close enough.

>>33974343
>how is it worth it?

Let's see, here are you're options:

>poorfag out and build it on an A2 lower
>get bullied by anons and MilSurpDude on /k/ forever until you change it

or

>wait 9 months for NDS-16A1 to ship
>build it properly
>get nothing but compliments

seems like an easy choice to me

>>33974343
Honestly going through the parts they look good, and you got the nonfenced mag release lower. Then you should go with the colt grey lower color if it matches the parts kit.

>>33974370
>letting people on an anonymous Vietnamese tunneling board influence IRL decisions
>waiting 9 months just to not get called a poorfag by people on said tunneling board
Idk mang
>>33974395
I do like the look on the half-fenced lower. And I imagine that I can get it anodized by someone for a fair price, then just mill it like normal.

clones are for reddit fags who only care about how their meme-15 looks and not how it functions. if your clone is only semi auto it's just as much of a clone as a m&p-15 is

>>33974480
Trust me, you do not want to be bullied by /arg/. I'm just trying to keep you safe from the bully.

>>33974529
you must be one of those fags that drink soylent
>function over form guiz!!!

>>33974541
what makes /arg/ stand out among the autostic masses that we make up, and why should I care about them

>>33974584
so you unironically buy shittier parts because you like to play dress up. pretty fucking gay.


do you also buy shitty cars and shitty computers as long as they look cool?

>>33974613
No, I just try to stay within my means. Go ahead and make a full-auto M16A1 clone and post it, I'll be waiting.

>>33974317
up to 9 months now?
Fucking hell nodak, get your shit together

>>33974259
I'm planning to do the same eventually. I'm probably just going to use a modern AR lower - a rifle that's close enough to fool the untrained eye is good enough for me. I don't hang out with autists, and I just want the aesthetic.

Just make sure that you don't put a forward assist on it.
Those things are completely useless and add basically dead weight. In addition to that, the f/a actually makes the gun a lot more jam prone.

Who cares what others think of your ar? If you love it isn't that enough?
I built a poorfag a1 clone and I love mine.

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>>33975067
Oh look, it's the retard that parrot's Ian's opinions barging into threads posting the same unwarranted parrot garbage. Nobody's impressed by whatever you can regurgitate especially when it has no relevance to the topic at hand.
>calls a malfunction or stoppage a "jam"

Do me a favor kid, fuck off.

>>33975153
Who's Ian? Look pal, I don't know why you're so attached to the f/a, but it serves basically no purpose besides jamming your gun.
If you want to use one, good on you, have fun, enjoy your pb&jam, but I want you to realize that it is pointless.

>>33974259
Just build it full auto and don't tell anyone. If you throw the auto parts away I'll kill you.

>>33975094
What did you use to make it?

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>>33974259
Good luck getting a proper A1 lower.

I had to get an 80% and have my buddy lazer in the Colt engravings.(for an m16A2 clone build)

Anybody know how feasible a xm177 clone is?
Been wanting one for a while.

>>33975392
pretty feasible, depending on your level of tism

>>33974480
>Vietnamese tunneling board
I kek'd

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>>33974280
haha fuck you i spilled water all over reading that

>>33975153
this.
fuck off tryhard

>>33975020
You know, the time is right for someone else like Aero to step up and start making retro AR parts. Waiting 9 months for a fucking lower is just dumb.

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>>33975604

>>33975392
Is it lame that I'm considering one of the Troy clones? Building one to be totally correct seems like a bitch.

>>33974259
Hahaha goddamn, prices have skyrocketed. I built one for what you're going to pay for the kit plus shipping.
Fucking what a country should be added to the list of gauging sites like cheaper than dirt.

>>33975976
>Fucking what a country should be added to the list of gauging sites like cheaper than dirt.
If you've got a cheaper source, I'm listening.

>>33976244
Those same kits used to be $350 when I got mine, then jumped to $500 and I just saw they sell for $700 now.
I dont know where you'd get a cheaper one now but they're fucking you guys is what I'm saying.

>>33976723
Damn, is there any place that has a bunch of M16A1s laying aro-

Israel... I wonder if those Jews would sell us their M16A1s as parts kits for $500

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>>33974259
Damn, glad I got a kit when I did. I got mine from AK-Builder, came with a pre-installed barrel.

>>33976877
$600?

don't you think $700 is a bit low?

$850 even but offering a meager $800 for whats clearly a $900 dollar deal! (shipping not included)

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>>33974541
Nobody gives a flying fuck about /arg/ except the filth who post there.

>>33975020
these all come out of the same forge. its not like there's 18 different companies making forged lowers. there's one. they do a production run when there's time. need to do a big batch in order to make it worth while so they collect orders for a while.

fucking business how does it work

Got a Colt le6920

Idk why you guys are going through the effort to make the rifle worse.

Unless it's automatic, you'll never have the real deal.

>>33978052

Spend the money you were going to spend on the rifle instead to get the Hughes Amendment repealed. I'm sure we can all hire a lobbyist by pooling money together.

>>33974259
>Forward assist
Why would you put such a shitty looking piece of useless metal on a gun that's supposed to be all about aesthetics?

>>33974529
t. boring sperg

>>33978052
>giving money to NuColt
No way fag.

>>33978464

That's not an argument.

>>33978067
one of the defining features of the A1 is the forward assist and the shell deflector. the XM16 and the M16 lacked the forward assist.

>>33978862
Yes it is, it's a shit company that overcharges for subpar products because all they have is a brand name.

All they do these days is ARs, 1911s and SAAs, none of which they're particularly great at, they've both been undercut and beaten in quality by their competitors.

The LE6920 is for senselessly brand loyal cucks.

>>33978895

So what?
I don't mind paying extra for a US made and assembled AR done right. I'm not some Plebbit poorfag saving up my Burger King paychecks for a PSA build.

>>33974370
>>33974343
>>33974321

Now I want to build one incorrectly and paint it Rhodie colors just to trigger the autists of /k/

>>33978879
>put pre-A1 upper on otherwise A1 build
Voila.

>>33978905
Or, you could, you know, build a infinitely better rifle than Colt gives you for their price.

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BEHOLD

>>33978943
Is that a Troy XM-177? If so, what is your impression of it quality wise?

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656 was the ultimate in retro aesthetics.

>>33974321
Same here
Me personally I'd want modern internals
Period externals

>>33974613
You must be fun at parties

Is that you squid?

>>33975153
I don't know man
Ian seems like a pretty smart guy to me.
I mean is he posting on /k/?
Does he have a legitimate collection?
Who interviewed the guy who fucking designed the damn thing?
How much more authentic can you get.

>>33975153
>gun doesn't go into battery fully
>so instead let's force it into battery instead of trying to figure out what's actually wrong and solving that
>cause god knows what else to happen
SMART

>>33979349
As someone who shoots ARs a shitload there is almost no chance that you'd have a FTF that wouldn't be okay to use the FA on. I know the lejamjambutton meme is popular with the kiddos these days but it kind of falls apart when you apply any degree of critical thought to it. I still can't get any decent description of why a round not feeding would be made catastrophic because you gave the BCG a little poke.

>>33979414
If it's not going into battery, then change your springs.

>>33976244
I'm new. CTD has good bulk ammo prices, no? Where should I be looking instead?

>>33979470
guns.deals
(yes that is the address)

>>33979465
Are you trying to say buffer spring? If you just make it stronger you're interfering with a variety of other things that could make your rifle an unreliable mess. It's also doing exactly what the FA already does; getting the round to feed when for some reason it isn't. Except with the spring proposal you're using brute force, instead of the rather light nudge the FA employs. That actually makes it more guilty of the whole "it just crams the bolt forward when it shouldn't be!" accusation anons like to throw around regarding the FA than the FA itself.

This is what I mean my shoddy explanations.

>>33979414
If it's not going into battery, then aren't you riding the charging handle home?

>>33979766
Since rounds are fed by more means than just the user racking the CH on a freshly loaded mag, no. The rifle could be a bit dry, the mag might me stingy with the first round, a round may have a bit of dirt on it etc etc etc

All of these scenarios are largely fixed by giving the BCG a light nudge, and doing so hardly leads to a rifle-killing jam.

>>33974317
nodak sells A1 receivers to brownells that's where I got mine

>>33979935
Brownells hasn't restocked on those in months. It's entirely possible NDS was giving them their accumulated blems.

>>33979490
>guns.deals
sorry, i guess its "https://gun.deals/"

>>33979949
They just have too much of a backlog right now with regular sales through their business instead of relying on a vendor.

>>33980007
No, I mean they had never, ever done that before Brownells started in the middle of last year offering uppers and lowers that had a high defect rate, and since Brownells hasn't restocked in months there is every indication that was a one-off thing.

>>33974259
just buy this, barrel and a bolt
http://www.zib-militaria.de/epages/61431412.sf/sec85e6845882/?ObjectPath=/Shops/61431412/Products/10395
>only 400€ /kit
>only 450$ /kit

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>>33980927
I don't think that ships to Burgerland, definitely not with that auto lower (unless it's a cosmetic thing.).

>>33980966
>(unless it's a cosmetic thing.).
it's not

>>33980927
>>33980966
>>33980982
Fucking EU laws are so stupid.

I can literally buy that kit, a bolt here in norway, and a barrel in another country, no license and get a complete full auto mail order gun.

And they wanna restrict fucking already licensed guns.

really makes me wanna order one though, (only joking europol ;))

>>33975942
the troys are nice

>>33981015
so license free bolt on Norway?
gotta pay a visit to my lovely neighboring country soon
"only joking europol ;)"

>>33981015
also, wouldn't order in mail since, im paranoid about customs
>>33981065

>>33981065
only lower and barrel needs a license on an ar

>>33981070
well yeah thats a given really, but schengen is not only for the terrorists
"only joking europol ;)"

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>>33975217

>gun
>jam

I'm just waiting for you to mention how superior AKs are. Got a bingo card going.

>>33974259
So is the reason why NoDak Spud has a huge backlog on A1 receivers and all the part kits are dried up because of Colt doing that collector series M16A1?

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>>33980927
>like to collect service rifles
>almost 100% original m16
>450 burgerbucks
>its in yurop lol
>no gun for you lol
I have no adequate words for the rage I feel

>>33981201
>easiest and cheapest place to collect burger guns is in noguns europe
>you only have to do it illegaly which is easier than drinking booze in the park

>>33981117
in Finland, i need a license for
>barrel
>upper
>lower
>bolt

>>33974613
those are retarded comparisons and you should feel bad ya duumy

>>33981243
is it easy to get more barrels/uppers for the same gun there?

here I can just show my license and get as many as i want

>>33981264
another fucked up thing, is that I can buy a straight pull whatever as a hunting rifle, then swap out the barrel and upper, and have a semi gun

>>33981230
European laws are less strict when it comes to machine guns compared to America.

>>33981264
i have no idea, i dont have an AR, yet

>>33981278
here you can just get semi for hunting

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>click the previous hyper link
hoo boy that was a fucking mistake, I'm going to have a fucking aneurysm from all the fucking dream guns I cant have for so fucking little god fucking damn it.
>$270 DP28
>$550 MG42
>$660 HK33
>$220 PPSH41
>$600 M1 Thompson

>>33981298
thats how it should be, the point is that theres so many fucking stupid small rules, that are so easily circumvented

Does anyone know a good source for an A1 sight assembly? Seems they used to be common for under $20, now the only things I can find are $60+

>>33979203
Golgo 13?

>>33974280
Did Colt stamp markings on the auto sear?
Just wondering for a friend that may or may not have had a boating accident.

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Retard here
How does one go about milling an 80% lower? Looked it up online, and results were inconclusive. Specifically, I need the dimensions of the cut.
Would it be better to send it to a gunsmith or something to eliminate room for error? And does one mill all lowers using the same dimensions?

>>33982860
If you don't know what you're doing, a gunsmith is a safe bet.

>>33982860
1. You need the jig to do it, unless you are a *really* competent machinist.
2. You can't legally have someone else do the work, to fit the definition of a home made firearm, only you can work on it.
3.The fire control pocket is the same dimension internally on 5.56 vs. .308 ARs, but the external dimensions are different, so different jigs for each one.
4. It's way more work than you would expect, and relatively easy to fuck up.
5. If you do it, get an 80% that is already anodized, then just hit the milled out part with some spray paint to protect it. Applying a finish yourself usually ends up looking and performing like shit, and having a milled out 80% lower cerakoted is a pain and expensive in my experience. The local shop that did mine charged $80 each for the lowers I did, and I had to be there the entire time, which ended up being over four hours.

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>>33983019
Having a gunsmith do it is illegal? I always thought that that's right up their alley...
Oh well. This is the lower I'm looking at. I notice that it is missing the 3 holes that some others have. I imagine I'll have to drill those out as well with the jig? Sorry for the stupid questions

>>33983450
My understanding is that in the eyes of the ATF, if someone else does the milling on it, it's no longer a homemade gun and must be assigned a serial number. All the 80% lowers I've seen require milling out the fire control pocket, trigger slot, and the trigger pin, hammer pin, and selector holes on the side. The jigs have guide holes on the side for this. I have a bench top mill and a drill press, so with some time and patience I was able to get basically professional results. I'll post a pic of my build lower when I get home.

>>33983624
Ok. So any 5.56 jig would work for this?
And would it be better to mill it, then get it anodized, or anodize it THEN mill it?

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>>33974317
>>33974370
PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFT oh holy fuck what a riot. You idiots are so self conscious that you care about the opinions of random tripfags on /k/? Actually, since when was it okay to be an attention-whoring little bitch tripfag? That's all the AR thread is, just a gathering of autists who think they need an identity to post on 4chan. Yeah bucko, you post your same dogshit AR builds every day, we don't really need to see your cute little username everywhere too. OP, just do what you want to do and don't let hivemind autists who desperately want to justify why they spent $500 on some garbage optics tell you otherwise. You have to realize 99% of the people dropping $2k+ on these builds don't even shoot past 250m because they are bush league trash. The AR is a toy to them, nothing more.

>>33983680
Unless you want to go a different color besides black, I'd get one that has already been anodized. Like I said in my previous post, it adds a lot of time and expense to have a raw one finished.

>>33983898
That's the catch though. All the lowers on Nodakspud are either sold out, or are just the raw unfinished ones. And sadly, I can't find anything else online. The ones already anodized on Nodak have a 6-9 month waiting time, and I don't think I can wait that long for just a lower.

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>>33983953
Sorry, I just realized you are talking about the NDS lower. I'd just go with a raw lower and have it finished afterwards then. Pic related, my non-retro lower.

>>33984009
Very nice. This stuff is starting to make more sense to me. Still kind of surprised to hear that gunsmiths can't do this for you though...
Whatever, it should be a fun learning experience. My dad has a bunch of machinery like this, and he seems 100% on board with this.
Any links to a certain jig set I should look at?

>>33983746
I'm sure you have some noice long-range groups to post, right?

>>33984036
>surprised to hear that gunsmiths can't do this for you though
the atf makes whatever arbitrary rules they want. i remember there was a shop had their cnc machine programmed for 80% lowers. all the customer had to do was more or less push a button and they would technically be "doing" the work themselves. they got shut down irrc

>>33984036
Thanks, it turned out better than I expected. As far as jigs go, I know the cnc guns guy makes a good one. The one I have is an Ares Armor one, but they are called something else now, it's good too. Google is your friend here.

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>>33984036
Here's the complete rifle, although this is out of place in this thread considering it's pretty much the complete opposite of a retro build.

>>33984358
very nice

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OP here, read all the posts carefully and I think this is now the full complete build. Anything missing?

https://pastebin.com/BaQA7U1V