Why this rifle did not succeed?

>>33969611
It's not a comfortable gun to shoot, and it's original stock was solid

Other than that, got me

>>33969611
>>33969611
I'm a no guns but I hear because Remington bought it up, fucked it up, then promised a bunch of barrel conversion kits and never delivered.

So in the end you had a bulky ruined concept which nobody really wanted nor needed, or could use because gues what, no conversion kits.

Atleast I think that's what up

>>33969611
Minimal increase in benefits for a massive increase in cost.

>>33969611
Exclusively because your grammar is shit.

>>33969641

This desu senpai

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What do you guys think about this? Will this actually sell in US?

>>33969641
Cost as well, was suppose only be $200 or so more than a normal AR-15 not over $2000.

>>33969725
Rhis desu senpai

>>33969739
depends on the price

>>33969641
For once a nogunz on /k/ gets it right. I really wanted one of these too until the cockups at Remington shit all over the platform.

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>>33969611
>Why this rifle did not succeed?

Costed more than announced.
Weighed more than announced.
Uses screws to keep things together.
Uses 1/9 rifling twist (which is fine btw, but doesn't sell well in the USA).
Made by Remington/Bushmaster, which had shitty QC. (there were some minor recalls for significant issues)
Almost none of the promised accessories materialized.

>>33969739

Too little is known currently.

>>33969739

Will it be able to go bullpup mode? I don't even like bullpups but I think it'd be neat to be able to do that, especially since other bullpup kits are fucking trash. Though, I've heard the Polish don't want the bullpup version, so maybe that's a no.

>>33969837
>Costed more than announced.
They fucked up making an AR18, by trying to
>NEVAH BEN DUN C4
A SCAR while also ignoring the massive cost cutting measures FN has taken with the SCAR

>Weighed more than announced.
Same shit with the SCAR

>Uses screws to keep things together.
Used in the SCAR which is heralded as being a God Tier boytoy

>Uses 1/9 rifling twist (which is fine btw, but doesn't sell well in the USA).
1/9 sells very well in the US because it stabilizes 55 grain better than 1/7. Most everybody knows this.

>Made by Remington/Bushmaster, which had shitty QC. (there were some minor recalls for significant issues)
The real killer

>Almost none of the promised accessories materialized.
Cream on the killer.

Nobody wanted to spend 2K on a knockoff SCAR, when they could spend an extra 500 to get one, that didn't have the same aftermarket as the SCAR, didn't have the same rollmark as FN, and didn't have the same Quality Control.

They could have easily brought it down to about 800 to 1000 a unit, easily. Injection molded plastic, extruded upper, screwed on trunnion, do some work and get it to use AR15 barrels and 50 dollar BCGs, et cetera.

They literally went full retard though and didn't examine what FN did with the SCAR and try to improve upon it.

And nobody can tell me they couldn't have gotten the price that low if I can now buy a sub 400 dollar AR15.

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>>33970382
>1/9 sells very well in the US because it stabilizes 55 grain better than 1/7. Most everybody knows this.

You must be new here. ;)
For years every damn thread about a 1/9 rifled barreled devolve into shitfests about how it's not 1/7.
Ignoring that almost no normal civilian shooter has a use for 1/7... Not everyone shoots long tracers regularly and 75gr for long distances.

I have a swiss sig in 1/10 after all, and it works great on 55gr & 62/63gr. So I wholely agree on your point. But it's clear that not "everybody knows this". Too many /k/unts think that 1/7 is best because the military uses it.

Pic: Masada

>>33969611
Can't do anything an AR-15 can't do and it does it for 3X the price.

>>33970474
this, esp. now with non-di piston, also isn't the scar all around better?

>>33969611
Same reason everything Remington touches with their shit-stained hands does not succeed: costs too much, delivers very little, and it'll probably have spotty to shit QC.

>>33970382
there is an army of milfag fellators who only shoot M193 anyway who constantly insist that no twist rate but 1:7 is okay. and it's not just on the internet.

>>33969837
From what i've heard, there are now testing the rifle and will be handled by the teritorial forces of Poland, sort of a militia.

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we get this thread every other week. but, if i post a thread asking why this gun didn't succeed all i get is a couple of responses calling me an autist.

and, this was by far a much better gun. like MUCH better. and actually made it to market in decent numbers.

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>>33971120
>MFW my ar barrel is 1:7

I don't want to be like assholes....

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remington wishes they could produce something this nice. the ACR is, was, and will always be utter dogshit.

>that Sig 556 lyfe

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>>33973381
>>33973489
I just wish they were still being made. I'd have so many.

>>33969611
Jamming issues. Instead of repairing problem manufacture blamed the cases and said your problem. AKA no support.

>>33969837
all of these reasons. also, some of the design aspects are questionable. the biggest one being the space between the bcg and the receiver near the ejection port. theres atleast 3mm of gap there. im guessing to fit possible caliber conversion (that never came). theres also a hole inside the grip for other shit to get into the fcg.
the plastic hinge on the stock is weak also.

>>33973489
ughhh fuck yahhh, a sig 556 would be so fucking nice

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>>33973721
It's pretty nice.

>>33973672
Was not a fan of type R. I do not think sig could get it right.

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>>33973761
Seconded.

>>33969739
Not at currently projected prices ($2700+), no.

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>>33973822
I think I might have those same sheets.

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Why does the US military keep trying to buy new guns instead of just swapping out some parts on the M16/M4

Isn't the entire upside of the AR-15 platform the modularity? Why can't a soldier convert calibers in the field with a normal M4 and a parts kit?

>>33970465
This, 1/7 was for the M856.

Disregard the 1/7 vs 1/9 memers. 1/8 is where it is at.

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I like mine. The complete lack of aftermarket and OEM parts fucking blows tho. Some owners have resorted to airshit parts which is pretty embarrassing, but hey some nerd at the Bushmaster booth said 2017 is going to be the "year of the ACR" or some shit so at least they still care about us enough to keep lying.

>>33975584
>upside down american flag avatar
gtfo you unamerican pieces of shit

>>33975584
Yeah because if there's one thing we need, it's another normie YT channel marketed towards the "Everyman".

>>33969739
I have the semi version, fun as he'll but need caliber conversion, namely 7.62x39 but still fun

What about that Robinson Arms XCR? What's up with that shit?

>>33975911
seems fine, but its not even something i would remotely consider bc the company robinson arms sucks. really terrible cs.
i like my acr but its a novelty.

>>33969611
Its not a Scar

How do we convince Magpul to buy it back and make it better?

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Why did they stop the sig 556 classic line?

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>>33973824
>$2700+
At that price? Fuck that noise I'd rather just get Barrett AR or Fulton M14.

>>33977382
Bumpin for knowledge on this subject matter. For what fucking purpose did they dumped the SIG 556

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>>33977747
Because the American market is obsessed with with ARs and low prices. The 556 wasn't close enough to either.

>>33977446
>Barrett AR
>8+ lbs without an optic or magazine
>Antiquated handguard
>only guaranteed to 1.5 MoA

Anon, if you're going to overpay for an inferior product at least make sure it has the H&K logo on the side.

>>33969739
The 300blk maybe
a scar 16s is just as good for 5.56

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>>33970369
are you retarded?

>>33969837
>Uses 1/9 rifling twist (which is fine btw, but doesn't sell well in the USA)
1/9 twist has been the standard commercial AR twist for 3 decades and is the most common one out there barring military rifles.

>>33978730

Try reading my comment again fuckstain.

I was under the impression that the Poles ended up not wanting the bullpup capability, so if/when it comes to the civilian market, will they even bother with the bullpup part?

>>33969611

because remingtonofshit has the quality control of Taurus

Sort of National Guard, to be exact.

>>33975647
Larue master race.

>>33979103
3rd Party here. The way you worded your first sentence made it seem like you were implying it could change into a bullpup.

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>>33969611
because its not spacegun enough

>>33975674
It is a really nice looking rifle. Hopefully it gets those RS parts, I wanna see it grow.

>>33977747
>Exeter pasta
The problem is that Sig has botched nearly every new product launch and completely lied on others. Lets go back a couple years.

556: Multiple generations of guns that had various problems and were a far cry from the original Swiss Guns.
556r: original guns would not work with steel cased 7.62x39 and steel ak mags would destroy the AL lowers leading to a second generation.
556xi: serious gas system problems leading to non working guns. Sig promised a complete system and discontinued the gun before delivering any parts.
P250: Limited adoption by LE and turned back in by all agencies that bought them. Failed to complete ATF pistol testing.
MPX: guns released early and were unable to provide multi caliber support that was promised at launch. The result is two generations of 9mm magazines that have questionable compatibility with one another and a replacement program for early uppers. The trigger pins on the first batch of guns were held in(poorly) by only hope.
P226/p229: changing subcontractor resulted in problems with broken take down levers. Finish problems with premium legion pistols. Change to cheaper long extractor design led to problems with the new design.
MCX: Early cabelas guns were different from later commercial guns leading to some potential compatibility issues. Severe problems with charging handle breakage that should have never occurred. Now this recall.

The 320 seems to be doing well but it serves as proof that even a blind squirrel gets an acorn from time to time.

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Well, it looks like at least the Chinese army will adopt a local copy of it as service rifle replacing their bullpup.

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>>33977811
>Because the American market is obsessed with with ARs and low prices. The 556 wasn't close enough to either.

Funny because Sig is no longer competitive in their own market change.

>AR's now cheaper do to no name and tryhard brands also making cheaper AR's they could just upgrade later with better uppers, stocks, triggers, and magazines.

It's all about getting that foot to stay in the door and they threw away the enthusiast option just so they can have one person realize there is no parts for piston AR's. They are never going to be H&K 416 quality and they should have just stayed traditional, like most Swiss things.

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>>33970382
>>33970465

1:8 is best twist

>>33986666
Impressive numbers, turbo-satan.

>>33977890
I giggled at this. Thanks anon.

>>33982724

True, I can see that, my fault I guess.

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>>33985001
I hope so too. It's not going to ever replace any of my AR's but I'd like my novelty gun to at least have some more options that don't come from Chinese airshit companies

>>33985017
If I may make some corrections:

The Cabelas MCX's that came with both .300 and 5.56 barrels featured a self regulating gas system vs the adjustable ones we see now. They interchange just fine across MCX's, but an issue some early MCX owners had is that there was no indication of an adjustable version coming out, which many would have preferred. Sig constantly makes incremental generational changes to their firearms without notice, and this is another example.

Also, Sig had a pretty significant batch of P320's with serious ejection issues. That and a change in grip module design which required P320 owners purchase an additional takedown lever and slide release, highlight another example of Sig using their consumers to beta test the first generation of their products.

I should note that I actually have a P320 and MCX, and love both guns, but I'm not going to overlook Sig's bullshit when it comes to them quietly making generational changes and hoping the consumer is none the wiser