guns that make you got "What the fuck were they thinking?"

>1939
They were probably thinking "We don't know what works well yet in this new field, and aren't blessed with hindsight, so let's just try different stuff."

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>>33968382

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>>33968382

>>33968597
still want one

Saw a statue holding one of these and thought it was a poorly sculpted M14 or M1 Carbine at first

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As if the original French CSRG 8mm Chauchat wasn't bad enough.

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>>33968654
God damn it forgot the picture

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>>33968382

>>33968658
The original really wasn't other than the open magazines

>>33968601
Whats so bad about mp5?

>>33968754
The open mags were still quite a stupid flaw to have for a weapon to be used in the trenches of WW1 though.

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>>33968737
What the Hell is this even meant to be?

>>33968772
It was a design feature so that the loader could see when the gun needed to be reloaded and get ready to load a magazine into the gun. Not the brightest feature, but it had it's purpose.

>>33968588
That still doesn't explain the big fucking doorknob on the stock.

>>33968761
>the roach license gun is cheaper, same quality, even has the paddle release

>>33968737
What the hell is that?

>>33968787
Prototype kriss I believe

>>33968787
>>33968801
P90 prototype. I shit you not.

>>33968787
a P90 concept

>>33968801
p90 prototype

>>33968789
Maybe so, but was the Chauchat made from poor quality materials? I can't remember where I heard it from.

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>>33968787
It's a P90 prototype.

>>33968787
P90 prototype

>>33968787
>>33968787
>>33968801
Hint: Now a common gun in FPSs, is Belgian, and Germans hate it.

>>33968801
>>33968787
Newfags don't recognize the original P90. No, that's not even a joke. That was a prototype of the P90

>>33968809
It looks like a fucking mess.

>>33968795
Front grip, clearly.

I'm guessing the idea was to hold it with your palm facing towards you, pulling it in to control recoil.

>>33968818
So I was told.

>>33968863
It's actually ingenious.

Swiss is full of mountains, so they put the top on the side so when they're standing on the side of a mountain, it cancels each other out.

>>33968916
lel

>>33968863
Is the toggle lock action stronger than the browning?

>>33968382
I actually like this

>>33968659
They were thinking "Shit, we need SMGs right now and we won't be able to get any Thompsons until the Army gets theirs."

>>33968382
Interesting.

>>33969808
No clue.

I've seen the tilting barrel sort of short-recoil be used for really high powered Magnums like .50 Action Express and .440 CorBon, but then I've also seen the toggle-lock be used for 6.5mm Arisaka, .276 Pedersen and .30-06 too (albeit much more seldom), so I couldn't say.

I mean short-recoil is also used for the .50BMG cartridge in the M2HB, so I guess it's a matter of mass, strength, structure and engineering, like anything. I think simpler short-recoil actions like the toggle-lock is preferred for ease of manufacture and lower cost for both the producer and customer.

>>33968779
That thing's just sexy as fuck.

>>33970867
*simpler than toggle-lock is preferred

>>33968597
California complaint

>>33971007
Kek

>>33968740
"Concealed"

As in, concealable in a violin case

>>33969808
>>33970867
In that case, it's probably just that it's Swiss, and the Swiss were weirdly obsessed with toggle locking.

During WWII, they had toggle-locked light and heavy machine guns, submachine guns, pistols and even a fucking anti-tank rifle.

>>33968737
Isn't that p90 prototype?

>>33968737
muh bore axis

>>33968863
>yo nigga ass bitch I got me dat luger gat and I haz dat toggle on da side bitch cuz it's gansta as fuck!
>(Tyrone pulls out his ghetto luger and toggles the side action and proceeds to kill the Bolsheviks sideway style)

>>33968789
While it was used for that too, it's main purpose was to load the magazine in the first place. The long curved magazine needed it's follower pushed down manually.

>>33968659
How many rounds does it hold? 5?!

>>33974348
But why

>>33974396
Cuz 'Bania

>>33974396
Is it even good?

>>33974455
I meant you
>>33974419

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>>33968382

>>33968737
I don't care what y'all niggas think, I want one.

>>33968597
The logic behind it wasn't terrible. Allowing any soldier to quickly reload their squad's LMG from their rifle stripper clips, and allowing the LMG to be topped off at any time? Pretty good idea, really. The main problem is that it took too long to reload from empty and that hoppers make it too easy for grime to get into the gun.

>>33968737
That's actually really fucking smart.

>>33971007
My best friend has a Madsen LMG that he built fron a parts kit that's 100% CA compliant too.

I'm saving up for one of my own, just as a big fat 'fuck you!' to my liberal family

>>33971007
underrated post

>>33974636
How so?

>>33968740
for those special occasions when you want to permanently damage your wrist and tendons trying to aim

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>>33968382
Aight

>>33968737

>The only gun in the world that muzzleflips down.

>>33968818

>Just holding the second one, one in each hand.
>We animu nao

>>33971007
audible kek

>>33974936
Fuck you that's sexy

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>>33975002
That was fast. Trolling /k/ IS easy.

>>33975026
>I was only pretending

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>>33974936

It's like the Garand was so sexy someone took it behind the middle school and got it pregnant.

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>>33975026

>>33968597
I always wonder if you can top this thing off while firing.

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>>33968382
No

>>33974476
>when you see it

>>33974476

Does it go out the gas tube?

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>>33968825
>>33968809
>>33968811
>>33968814
>>33968818
I thought it was a joke, possibly a Walther Olympic Rifle concept dear god

>>33974923
This thing is a hunk of shit. I got to handle a NIB one not long ago. Felt like a cheap toy. Colt should fucking stick to revolvers and full steel handguns.

>>33974923
>>33975320
Ian-sempai did a video on this.

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>>33974287
Look again. That's the magwell. There is no magazine in the gun in that picture.

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>>33971956

A lot of them made by Swiss madman Adolf Furrer, who really really really loved toggle locks.

To an unhealthy degree. Just about everything he designed was toggle-locked.

>>33975603

If it ain't broke, no need to fix it. Toggle delay works fine.

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>>33975729

>Ain't broke

When you're making submachine guns this complicated solely because you love toggles, and you manage to convince everyone it's a good idea, the process is a bit broken.

>>33974476
>when you blow off your forward sight

>>33968836
Told what? That it's a p90 prototype? Hey, speaking of p90 prototypes, did you know that that's a p90 prototype? It totally is!

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This

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>>33968597
They did this with the DP-28 too

>>33975145
that thing cracks me up
combining tacticool mall ninja and 30-30 fudd gun to create a gat that's loved by neither

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Finnish 7.62 light machine gun 62. It's awful jam-o-matic with confusing field stripping and worst of all is the idea that the pistol grip is also the bolt handle..

>>33975095
Fucking kek

>>33976498
>pistol grip bolt handle

I.... how?

>>33968382
>tfw you will never have a platoon leader who yells for his men to cup the balls and take aim

>>33968818
>first draft is weird looking
>second draft is boxy
I guess we should be glad that the finished product was somewhere in the middle.

>>33976673
I only had to learn it since it's a backup LMG if PKMs aren't available for some reason. Even them most of the officers thought that at this point it's a weapon of confusion as in throw it towards the advancing Russian formations and make your retreat while Ivan is pondering what the fuck the designers of this piece of metallic shit were thinking.

Indeed it's a weapon so terrible and design so weird it deserves a forgotten weapons episode on its own right.

>>33975095
5 star post

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>>33974476
Tacticool version

>>33974827
The receiver from that gun is the the upper rifle barrel on the revolve from blade runner. It's a styer something I forget it's model number.

Fun fun facts with anon

>>33976498
I actually field stripped and put it together the first time before getting any sort of training for that, so the basic structure is not that complicated. What makes rather bad weapon is that the ammunition belts may get entangled while in mag pouches and if fired from a hard surface the extraction is powerful enough that used case might bounce upwards and end up in between action - jamming the weapon. Ergonomics are also pretty poor and rate-of-fire (theoretical ROF is about 1,000 rounds per minute) is just crazy high for belt-fed weapon which lacks quick change barrel. Still - it was one of the first proper squad automatic weapons anywhere.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHlsk3bFuos

>>33968816

The parts were handmade and to too loose specs. So the concept of spare parts and field repairs was shot from the start, and the poor fitting made for extremely frequent jamming.

>>33968797

>Economically supporting Turkey in any way.

>>33974635

That's not a bullpup you newfag.

>>33977903
Exactly, I wish all of that tooling ended up in a country that wasn't actively funding terror. Their CZ and Jericho pistol clones look fucking sick but I'm not sure if I want to support turkey.

>>33975930
It's toggle lock, that gas tube isn't functional

>>33976724
if the Danes had continued with that design and sold it to Sweden, Sweden would be the most enthusiastic military in the world

>>33975530
mistook the magwell for the mag itself

>>33977935
Get a Tanfoglio.
Just as cheap and made in Italy instead.

>>33979292
You're not wrong about the cheapness and quality, but Tanfoglio doesn't have those neat Jericho 941 clones that Tristar/canick is making. They look more like the old school Jerichos than the ones IWI is churning out now. Plus they're only $400 a pop, I'll probably wait and see if I can find a Surplus trade in Jericho/baby eagle at a gun show first.

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>>33979292
>>33979333
Pic related

>>33974936

So badass

>>33977916
Does it really matter when it comes to that abomination?

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>>33968382
This, and always this.

>>33979333
Jerichos are just Tanfoglios with a sexy slanted front.
Everything back from the muzzle is pretty much identical, IMI/IWI licenses the design from Tanfo and uses Tanfo parts.
I suspect even the frame on the Jericho is made by Tanfoglio, since the "Made in Israel" marking on it is crude and goes through the finish, unlike the dot-matrix style light stamping marks on the rest of the gun (identical to Tanfo)

>>33968818
>Halo beam rifle inspiration

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>>33968382
>>33968795
>>33968833
The idea with the ball grip was indeed it to have a front grip. The idea was that it would allow "ergonomic flexibility" but turned out the benefits of the ball grip was by far outweighed by the complexity of mass producing them.

It was a Danish adaption of a Finnish machine gun and never left the experimental stage AFAIK. Being from Denmar/k/ myself I can tell you that Danish guns tends to fall into one of two categories: Exceeding expectations or failing horribly.

>Exceeding expectations
Madsen LMG
Madsen 20 mm cannon

>Failing horribly
Literally everything else

Picture related to "failing horribly" Madsen M47 a bolt action rifle developed "for the atomic age". While the fucking Slavs were faffing about with AK-47s we thought bolt action was still the shit. No wonder Germany managed to conquer us in six fucking hours.

>>33979519
>Jerichos are just Tanfoglios with a sexy slanted front.

You're not wrong, but it's that sexy slanted front I'm all about, the Tristar t-120 and t-100 are the closest I can get to that, SPACE COWBOY AESTHETIC, without paying for a marked up 1990s Jericho. If only IWI/Magnum Research offered the current production steel ones without the rail, or at least made the rail with subtle cuts into the existing receiver like tristar did so it preserves the silhouette. Instead they just slapped on the real like an afterthought and it ruins the lines of the gun.

>>33977935
Tur/k/ here,

Turkey's pretty strict on weaponry (shotguns-bolt actions only, pistols need a special license and extra tax), and importing weapons is banned, so I don't know much of Turkish weaponry aside from air rifles.

How do Turkish weapons fare abroad (I mean, aside from all the negative image coming across with the whole 'they support ISIS' thing)? Are they of quality? Do they even have a market (I know Aussies like them because of the lever actions)?

>>33980099
Greetings, how are thing going over there under Edroachand's rule?

To answer your question. While people complain about the nation of origin for the weapons, thats really the only complaint, their shotguns and pistols have a good reputation for their value and preform right along side their higher priced market equivalents.

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>>33968737

>>33976315
thats a japanese modified one

>>33968382
I want to put that ball up my butthole

>>33968659
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVH9aEF2EX0#T=17m05s

>>33980099
Turkish guns function more or less as good as any other country's firearms. given there's not a lot of high-end boutique gunmakers in Turkey, and fewer high-end guns from Turkey get exported, they build a reputation for cheaper guns. turbo-autists bitch about state-sponsored terrorism, but that's a discussion for /pol/

>>33974396
I guess maybe the idea is to not have the designated marksmen easily identified by his rifle? Since the current Armenian service rifle is the AK-74.

>>33976673
The colt machine gun also did this except it actually worked

>>33977954
Look at it again. If that's a luger, then the barrel is going through the gas block.

>>33968597
>2012
>not wanting a waffle iron on your gun

>>33975095
>Tfw I know Tracy Morgan personally

>>33968382
The world's first manual transmission SMG. Depress the clutch, grab the shifter, and throw her into the full-auto gear.

>>33975140
Yes. Ian did a video on it.

>>33983949
>ywn rev-match a SMG

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What a stupid idea the auto-revolver is.

>>33984071
You fucking take that back

>>33984071
I hope it hurts to be so wrong.

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>copying some Eastern Euro design
>10 mmeme
>too many safeties
>not enough mags
>ugly as sin
WTF were they thinking?

>>33984071
What happens if a Cylon finds you?

>>33984248

>implying he isn't a Cylon trying to trick us into not getting Matebas.

>>33974831
the fuck are you talking about. it's designed to be super ergonomic

>>33984234
please dear god be trolling

>>33984236
What's wrong with this? it's a specialized light/compact survival gun.

>>33975116
not him
But I really admire that you spent your precious time making a meme in ms paint just to stick it to the guy.
Cause I do that too.

>>33979442
>backpedaling
you typed out the incorrect filename, anon. sounds like you know shitall about guns

>>33968779
this looks like it belongs under the ocean in bioshock

>>33974348
its that.... bolt action?

>>33984410
>Ivan put down the gun, your drunk
>I know what I'm doing Sergey, watch I shoot empty vodka bottle from opposite side of capsule
>NO!
BANG .... hisssssssss
>Damnit Ivan you put hole in side of Mir and we losing air !

>>33975603
That man had an unfortunate name.

>>33976017
This reminds me of the opening cutscene of Shadow the Hedgehog, where he pumps an AR-style rifle

>>33984715
It was an MP5, actually.
Don't ask me why I remember.

>>33984715
>>33984733
I took a good look at that opening. As a kid I didn't think anything of it but now I think Shadow had to be a certified badass to pump an MP5 since it's literally impossible unless you're an edgy clone of a sentient speedy animal.

>>33977916
>falling for the bait

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>>33984441
I wasn't the anon that made the filename. I was merely commenting that it was an abomination, and that abominations (bullpup or otherwise) are still abominations.

>>33984435
>>33975116
get some friends

>>33974827
>be engineer
>be drunk
>trying to find problem for a solution
>The solution: making people hate bolt action rifles so they buy more semi-autos
two hours later
>EUREKA!

>>33984410
i think it might be a russian cosmonaut gun or something

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>>33968779
Fuckin Lee-Enfield conversions

>>33985832
A yugo 59/66 crossed with an AR?

>>33986937
TP-82, they designed it with its own cartridge specifically for survival/ warding off bears. They went back to the mak a few years later though :c

>>33984619
The 9mm they used before/after this could still breach the craft, but not a bear

>>33984234
I will physically rape you.

>>33976498
ZB-37 had a pistol grip bolt handle and it worked fine.

Finn-Potatoes just can't make anything good post WWII

>>33968382

>bob vila makes an smg

>>33969808
Yes, but the mechanism is far more bulkier and expensive to build so in the end it's not worth it.

>>33974923
no, in itself it's not a bad idea, it's just that Colt cut corners and it ended a pos.

>>33975930
Look a bit more carefully, it has a tube welded in it to let the bullet pass

>>33968863
There's only one existing exemplary which isn't even working, just for show.

>>33979842
Fellow Danebro. You gotta remember how ass-backwards everything in our armed forces is. And the bookkeepers have the ultimate power, so someone probably thought that an automatic rifle would waste too many bullets and be too expensive. Back in 1864 most of the higher-ups even thought that rifled muzzles were a passing fad and it set the tone for centuries to come.
It doesn't help that a lot of officers were from Copenhagen and their attitude towards the enlisted were such that my father's company (2nd watch of the royal life guards under Hillingsoe) received a course in how to eat with utensils. Literally: "This is a knife, this is a fork. Don't let the fork confuse you, it's for food, not shoveling shit out of the pigsty." Judging from my father's stories, this wasn't an entirely unwarranted attitude, though.

Are image uploads failing for anyone else?

>>33987694
No, but replying has been kinda fucky today.

>>33974831
noguns, get out!

>>33980146
>>33981566
I'm kind of happy to hear that, figured that they'd be of pretty horrid quality (most gunsmiths and companies come from the Black Sea region, where often there are guns made by old senile grandmothers converting and modifying blank guns with files a la Khyber Pass).

As for Erdragon, it's not that bad, really. The country was always a shithole, except we're not really hiding things anymore. At the very least I can take the metro to my university now.

>>33987175

Aimo Lahti was forced to early retirement (by the Soviets) in year 1945.

You think that Tikka T3 series or Sako TRG-42/44 are not good? Nowadays Finland has only one remaining industrial firearms manufacturer (Sako) and the company makes only bolt-action rifles, hence it would be unrealistic to expect them to introduce for example new pistol or machine gun.

>>33974588
I want to become a gunsmith and make a hopper fed .22lr crank fed 10/22.
cause dakka.

>>33968737
>>33968818
Reminds me of the arm-gun you always see cyborgs with in sci-fi shit like GiTS

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>>33988036
>At the very least I can take the metro to my university now.
Where you unable to do that previously?

>>33987053
Some canadian concept stock thing for an SKS.>>33987062

>>33989120
And I went full retard and tagged the wrong post.

>>33968382
Using that takes balls.

>>33968772
Good luck putting 20 8mm lebel rounds in a half-moon mag without something to hold the spring all the way back.

>>33981456
shoulda just made stens