$2000

>>33961066
Because not everyone is a poorfag

>>33961066
if you can afford proper quality NVG's that price is nothing to you.

>>33961096
It costs as much as half decent quality nvg. That's a non-argument

>>33961066
>$2000

why is that even? I never got that. It's just aa fucking laser.

>>33961066
because in a free society, merchants can charge whatever the market will bear.

also, you sound poor.

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>>33961066
>2k
fucking where

>>33961120
theyre expensive but so is any IR laser. you can get a cheaper steiner but if you want laved lasers that will cost as much as an atpial peq

>>33961152
infrared

>>33961152
Mostly because of environmental testing. You could make it cheaper but it wouldn't be guaranteed to work everywhere you might take it.

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>>33961066

Because ruggedizing anything to military standards, especially optics, is fucking expensive

>>33961152
It also has an illuminator. Like a mini IZLID.

>>33961259
most of the cost of a given product is actually product liability insurance

>>33961179
$1300 still more than i paid for either of my Gold Standard Colt ARs

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>>33961163

>>33961357
It's not an optic. It's a glorified laser pointer

>>33962619
>Implying laser devices aren't actually made up of multiple precision optical components

>>33962679
And again, I can buy other lasers for my guns for much cheaper but this one is ridiculously expensive. How much does it actually cost to manufacture? How much was R&D? I have a hard time thinking the margins on this are anything other than ridiculous

>>33962760
>implying cost to bring to market has any bearing on retail price once the break-even point has been met

dude once you jump through all the hoops it takes to sell something to the u.s. government, suddenly an $800 toilet seat no longer seems so out-of-line.

also, there's the pepperidge farm effect - tastes better because it cost more

>>33962799
and remember that roughly 5% of your idiot customers will eat up 95% of your customer service budget

>>33962810
Kek. Fucking this. I can only imagine the faces on trijicons face when Marines send their broken ACOGs back. Broken in ways trijicon will never understand.

>>33961385
neither of which emit IR beams

>>33961066
cool beans. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gogM7iNAO2A

That one is cheaper and works as well.

>>33963749
At least with this I can set feral pigs on fire

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I like the MAWL.

>>33961066
You sound like a poorfag, kys

>>33961066
>2k
youre retarded and also probably poor.

>>33961120
NOT ONLY ARE YOU POOR, YOU'RE ALSO DUMB.

"HALF DECENT" NVGS ARE IN THE 5 FIGURES.

>>33962760
you're trying pretty hard to rationalize your poverty.

>>33965061
yeah, but can you afford one?

>>33962760
For someone claiming it's too much money you seem to be doing a lot of being poor and not proving R&D was free, and it uses left over kit kat wrappers making it's worth next to nothing.

>>33965945
what can I say, yo? Poor people are poor for a reason. In his case, acute stupidity.

>>33965940
Yes, but I have no nvgs nor experience with nvgs. I'm going to take the night fighters course soon and will be renting everything. Then I'll decide on which nvgs to buy. But I'm set on the MAWL.

>itt no justifications on why the civilian version costs so much

>>33961066
so forgive my ignorance but I still dont understand exactly what the fuck these things do


so they shoot out an ir laser since you can't aim well with nvgs, cool- but why is the laser head off center? Wouldn't that essentially guarantee all your shots miss by a very wide margin?

>>33961066
>Why is this allowed?

because you faggot AR barbie owners will buy one anyway

>>33965929
No, I can afford one, I'm just struggling to understand why this thing is so expensive.

>>33966294
designed to also go behind front sight post

>>33961179
>ATPIAL-C

Wew lad kys

>>33966326
>why this thing is so expensive.
>2k vis laser/IR laser/IR emitter all in a ruggedized package
>expensive

Let me tell you what's actually expensive (as in low value propositions): Porches, Vacheron Constantins, real estate in the Bay Area.

a measly 2k for a militarized package with 3 separate emitting elements? That's a bargain.

>>33966294
>what is zeroing your weapons
>what is correct windage (protip this is not POI/POA zero) for a laser
>how does maximum point blank range work durrrrr
>what is literally 1" Height over bore
>what is suppressing fire

Literally think before you post fucking moron knownothing

>>33966449
>militarized
that's for government/LE, which as the class 3 laser

>>33966462

Literally.

Wilcox Raptor
combo IR laser and range finder
civilian legal version $4,000
.mil version i think passes $8k

>>33966655
That we never fuckin' used because 'enemy might have NODs'

>>33961066
>>33961066
because government contracts obligate wasteful spending and overpriced equipment

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>>33961179
>if you want laved lasers that will cost as much as an atpial peq
false. CQBL is slaved.

>>33966958
doesn't count. No illuminator. My DBAL-A3 costs the same as an ATPIAL. My DBAL-D2 costs more.

>>33965061

Damn that looks pretty slick

>>33961066
Well for one thing the lazer is adjustable and fine enough to aim with.

>>33961066
Because our worthless retarded wasteful corrupt government will buy it because the manufacturers lobby the piece f shit congress men.

>>33961066
$2000
>and those bands that hold the caps over the emitters will break a week into the deployment

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>>33966875
lol you faggots will never understand

>>33968057
Oh no, it's this tryhard operator wannabe fag again.
I thought you killed yourself already

>>33966438
enjoy spending 3k for a used, stolen one on ebay

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>>33968076 nah I was busy buying comtac III's and other goodies. needed to upgrade to a more based eagle RRV and go super high speed low drag ;)

>>33968057
kek what is that ugly garbage trash meme gun

>>33965911
I have these $60 ones and they are good https://www.ebay.com/p/?iid=112392599395&&&ul_ref=http%253A%252F%252Frover.ebay.com%252Frover%252F1%252F711-117182-37290-0%252F2%253Fmpre%253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.ebay.com%25252Fitm%25252Flike%25252F112392599395%25253Fchn%25253Dps%2526itemid%253D112392599395%2526targetid%253D300255995251%2526device%253Dm%2526adtype%253Dpla%2526googleloc%253D9008247%2526poi%253D%2526campaignid%253D806308459%2526adgroupid%253D40593124526%2526rlsatarget%253Dpla-300255995251%2526abcId%253D978836%2526merchantid%253D113610030%2526gclid%253DCj0KEQjwo-XIBRCOycL7hsuI_NoBEiQAuS6HtFd12CCaieHg9Ra8dbumRn42hHAieeSkWNnBy2kp350aAqmG8P8HAQ%2526srcrot%253D711-117182-37290-0%2526rvr_id%253D1215067932043&chn=ps

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>this entire thread

>>33968122
Dude, if you have never used military grade NVGs shut the fuck up.

>>33965911
Richfags are funny.

>>33963749
Make an array and put it in the bed of a truck. Set all the pigs on fire.

>TFW you are using homemade megawatt class infrared laser arrays to ignite pigs.

>>33966326
There's you can afford it and you could manage to buy it but it would ruin you for several months. You'd be ruined i bet.

>>33966958
Shelf mod, your post is irrelevant.

>>33961066
Because LIBERTY. You are welcome to make your own flashlight-attached-to-a-laser-with-a-long-switch accessory and price it however you would like.

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>>33963643
but do i really need an AR accessory that emits IR laser beams?

>>33972900
>need
SHALL

>>33962619
Then buy cheap and military versions, do a youtube video of the teardown, and prove your point...or not.

>>33963457
My military Snap-on rep said Marines break heavy duty tools in ways he'd never seen in that quantity even from oil rig roughnecks.

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>>33961179
>He pays 1300
>not even >0.7mW

I paid 350 bux for this 4 mW slaved laser. I have another that is 1200 bux and is 20mW IR slaved laser and 500mW illuminator. It's funny no one buys this stuff because "lol slavshit" or because it isn't stocked by TNVC (neither is team wendy, but who here isn't using their padding systems at the minimum for their helmets?). Meanwhile they convince themselves buying a DBAL for 500 that isn't even slaved at 0.7mW is a good buy for 150 yards or so while I'm throwing beams for several miles.

>>33973747
where did you buy that, nigga?

>>33975328
That one from army-store.ru, but they don't sell to americans anymore. Russian-Thunder.com is where I bought the second one from. They also speak english, too.

why the fuck you need a laser attachment? just get a nice scope you faggots.

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>>33975838
>what is the dark

>>33975820
Perst4 is a 4mw IR laser?

>>33976207
Yes. Had to ask Zenitco since there isn't any public data on power output. Zenitco lasers have digital power variables that go from something really low and eye safe up to 4mW on both lasers for Perst-4. It's pretty noticeable against 0.7mW lasers. It's good out to 300-400 yards I'd say. This thing is the best deal in the NVG world.

>>33976240
Oh man, definitely picking one up to compare against my dbal a3 and d2.

>>33965911
>"HALF DECENT" NVGS ARE IN THE 5 FIGURES.

No, they're not.

Half decent starts at $300.

Decent starts at $2000.

Great starts at $3000.

>>33973747
Miles? Why the duck would miles matter for something that's meant for quick target acquisition? 1300 for that is fucking pointless. I bet you would win the lottery and buy a mansion and lambos to flaunt the cash like a cuck.

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Should I get NVGs or Thermal goggles?

>>33976261
Wtf? Go play with your pvs7, fag.

>>33976307
Can u afford thermal?

>>33976261
It's obvious you have no fucking clue about night vision.

>>33976329
Let's say I have no limit.

>>33976342
Then get thermal and the best goddamn suppressor you can buy

>>33976358
thanks! brb getting $13,000 loan

>>33976322
>>33976333

The kind of retards who read a couple articles and consider themselves experts on a topic.

Let me guess, pvs-14s are literally unusable pieces of garbage?

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>>33961066

>>33976370
Yeap totally the kind of retard that gets issued PVS-15's. Please do yourself a favor and think before you open your mouth. PVS-14's in the Gen 2 plus and the Gen 3 are the gateway to bigger and better things. I know more about night vision and it's associated factors than you could possibly fathom. Please son, get off /k/

>>33976409
Okay, so demonstrate literally any of that knowledge or I'm going to continuing to assume you're full of shit spewing the most ridiculous nonsense.

>I know more about night vision and it's associated factors than you could possibly fathom. Please son, get off /k/

t. retard trying to sound smart

>>33976437
What do you want me to demonstrate? The fast that you think decent NV cost $2000? That's the price of some very beat to shit Chinese or Russian spec'ed Gen 2. Great starts at 3500ish for a good PVS-14 with WP. While you might think you know something I can promise you you don't. Please don't sit on here and think you know it all. You aren't LEO, and the most experience you most likely have is using some Gen 1 bullshit that you bought at Bass Pro Shop and ran all around mommies room screaming "HOLY SHIT BEST THING EVER". Find your balls, join the military or apply and become LE, and then maybe eventually after plenty of years you can sit back and have some actual knowledge of night vision.

>>33976307
What are you trying to do?

NVG's are better for a multi purpose role. They can help you navigate in pitch black. The PVS 14 can be mounted directly to your weapon as well. Thermals, at least affordable thermals, serve better as aiming devices only.

I dont even know of any GOOD thermal systems under 5 grand that arent strictly aiming devices.

>>33976380
I'd love to own one of these one day but the battery life blows if you want to use the white light. One would be better served to get a separate night aiming device solution and white light so you arent swapping batteries like mags.

>>33976480
>That's the price of some very beat to shit Chinese or Russian spec'ed Gen 2

Maybe you're just retarded and don't realize how fast technology is developing. NVGs are getting cheaper every day, $300 = $1800 10 years ago.

>Great starts at 3500ish for a good PVS-14 with WP

So exactly what I said? You're agreeing with me that $3000 will get you a good piece of equipment?

>While you might think you know something I can promise you you don't. Please don't sit on here and think you know it all.

The same goes back to you, claiming that half decent NVGs start at 10,000 here

>>33965911

>You aren't LEO so you have no experience and know nothing

you prove my point spectacularly

>>33976593
I'm not LEO? Wow man holy fuck I had not idea you rode with me to work every day. Man you must be living the pleb life at Target. Like I said maybe one day you can do something with your life. Until then keep being a worthless count to society.

While the technology may be getting better by the day the prices will never get cheaper than what they are.

You made no mention of the night vision being thin filmed, unfilmed, or being WP. So I did the assuming of myself.

And lastly Great night vision starts at 7k and up. Why, because running a PVS-14 sucks. Trying running dual tubes for a day after you run a PVS-14 for years. You'll know why it's considered "cheap".

>>33976480
What the fuck are you doing using being an LEO as a defense for knowledge on NVG/NVS? Then you tell him to grow some balls and join LE or MIL? Sit the fuck down highspeed. You don't know shit about night vision devices from your job as a cop and you sure as hell don't know anything about them through MIL, even if you were, outside of pvs 14s etc. Give details about what you've used and your opinions of them, not what you've read online or heard from other people. Humble yourself.
- 11B vet and current police officer

>>33976635
your reading comprehension is terrible

>>33976635
>While the technology may be getting better by the day the prices will never get cheaper than what they are.

lol

>Man you must be living the pleb life at Target. Like I said maybe one day you can do something with your life. Until then keep being a worthless count to society.
>>33976409
>I know more about night vision and it's associated factors than you could possibly fathom.
>>33976480
>You aren't LEO, and the most experience you most likely have is using some Gen 1 bullshit that you bought at Bass Pro Shop and ran all around mommies room screaming "HOLY SHIT BEST THING EVER". Find your balls, join the military or apply and become LE, and then maybe eventually after plenty of years you can sit back and have some actual knowledge of night vision.

like 90% of your arguments are based on your own dumb assumptions about someone youve never met

>>33976643
PVS-31A: very nice and used them extensively at a class we went to last year.
PVS-14: Nice robust units with great life and modularity. Field of view and depth perception took a long time to get used to.
PVS-15: What I use now. Had this set for three years. Not as light or robust as the PVS-31A but considering all things and it being the precursor it's a hell of a set of dual tubes.


Listen kid I know all you 11B think your bad shit, but your not. I've got 20 years into night vision. My neck is so fucked up I can practically crack my neck by turning it. I've used a long more NVG systems then mentioned but I don't have to prove shit. Come take a ride one day if you actually want to talk shit. I'll show you young bucks a thing or too.

>>33972900
If you use night vision, then yes.

>>33973747

TNVC dropped team wendy after they fucking supported Hillary during the election. Fuck anyone who still buys from them.

>>33976635
I have a good feeling you don't know fucking shit about nightvision equipment

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>>33976712
>being this fucking old and crusty

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Gonna be a long 3 years waiting on pvs 21's... 19,000 usd with my discount from TNVC. comes in 4 models and is made by Steiner contracted by OGARA Group most likely going to end up on a special pvs 21 owner watch list since there are less then 10 in civilian hands on the entire planet. Was only ever used to froggers. & 1st world country's can only have a handful of them issued out to 6 man teams.

>Picked up a 1800 dollar PVS-7 clone for 900
Feels good man. Nothing like peaceful midnight walks in broad gren daylight.

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>>33977727
Lol, even polaks got some.

This shit is nothing special really, fusion systems are the tits.

>>33968086
But it would be so much cheaper for you to just eat the muzzle of your Shekel-Blaster and make everyone happy.

>>33976712
Wow, you are either LARPing as a self absorbed shitstick or you actually do suck your own dick that hard. I suppose dick stroking real hard about all the equipment you 'operate' with is better than having to interact with real people.

>>33976593
You're really, really dumb.

>>33961066
Do our leet soldiers really use lasers as their primary aiming device when using nods?

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>>33977764
they are a fusion system now so these are the tits.
>>33977781 post your IR laser on your gat then we are waiting

There's something genuinely unsettling about someone claiming to be LEO or military acting like king shit on 4chan trying to one-up a bunch of strangers.

A part of me wants to believe that our country's professionals are more professional than this, but I know deep down that they really, truly aren't. It's more than a little disconcerting that the guy they pay to slap on a badge and gun is the same idiot that was getting into poorly informed arguments in youtube comments the night before.

>>33977897
>they are a fusion system now so these are the tits.
Oh shit, where can i read about the fusion ones?

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>>33977905
> but I know deep down that they really, truly aren't. It's more than a little disconcerting that the guy they pay to slap on a badge and gun is the same idiot that was getting into poorly informed arguments in youtube comments the night before.

10000000% this

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>>33977911
You can buy them from multiple dealers but Steiner let the flood gates open for accessories such as the HUD + system or if you really wanted you could run duel tube duel thermals if you had a yuge wallet.
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1317605-REG/steiner_9240_clip_on_thermal_module.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMc7kf5K3gs

>>33961163
What he's trying to say is that if a few people will buy a polished dog turd for $2000, merchants will sell polished dog turds for $2000 and call you a poorfag if you question it.

Kind of like how Kanye West sold plain white T-shirts on his website for $200 and they sold out overnight.

What something is worth often has little correlation to its quality or utility.

>>33963457
>>33973195
I need stories of Marines ruining things in unpredictable ways.

>>33976302
It's (((meant))) for use with night vision, in which case a laser visible for long distances is better than one that isn't.

Why don't these have all 4 emitting needs? Visible Laser, Visible Light, IR Laser, and IR Light?

Why cheap out on visible?

>>33979040
>Wanting a visible laser/light
for what purpose

VIS light will make you glow harder than a christmas tree and you'll become a bullet magnet

and what's the point of VIS laser?

why would you waste 2k on this shit. i'd rather buy some weed.

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>>33978048
never knew i wanted this until now

>not duct taping a dollar store laser pointer to the rails
It's like you people want to get ripped off

>>33976924
who cares about that? If the product is good, I'm buying. People who get all bend out of shape over little shit like that and scream "I'll take my money elsewhere" typically have a rather limited budget anyway.

>>33978048
My friend checked out some miles gear for some Marines because they forgot to bring enough for their unit on exercise. So my friend a fresh 2nd LT nasty girl said sure I'll check out some miles gear from supply and lend it to them. anyway so after the exercise he gets them back half the sensors are fucking broken or torn off the rigs and one of the emitters mount is broken. thank fuck for written receipts from the marines or he would have had the green weenie come out his mouth

>>33980834
Fuck you

>>33979105
blinding people

>>33979040
because visible light would make the housing really big and there are already various other vis lights in the inventory

the vis laser is already on there.

>>33979105
sometimes checkpoint procedures / escalation of force bullshit (wave the laser at hadji to make him slow down, etc.)

sometimes tertiary sighting system if your day optic dies

primary sighting system for daytime CQB while wearing gas mask.

>>33977727
you mean nobody wants the fucking things cause they're complete shit. NZ SAS and UK SAS have had them issued to every fucking assaulter in their respective regiments since ten years ago.

while you wear 1.7lbs of goggle on your face (not including COTI) SOCOM guys are wearing 1lb PVS-31 with filmless white phosphor tubes. the PVS-31 with COTI and remote battery pack weighs less than just a standard PVS-21.

>>33981014
>(wave the laser at hadji to make him slow down, etc.)
>not shooting his daughter inside the car Generation Kill style

>>33979105
>>33979040
>>33981007
>>33973747
>>33972900
This made me think:

If you're rocking some VIS laser/Light on your rifle, wouldn't that be a double edged weapon? like, if you can see the laser/light, then the enemy can see it too, which will make you brighter than a christmas tree and easier to ventilate

Same thing for IR lasers/illuminators, if the enemy has NODs he'll spot you the second you press your IR laser/illum

what gives?

>>33981063
so you don't turn any of that shit on until it's time to make bang bang happen. this is not like ARMA 2 where you run around with your laser on constant on. You should only activate your shit when you actually need it, in which case you really need it.

VIS light:
The VIS light on your rifle is for positively identifying a threat, because you can't just shoot everyone you see (unless you're from dam neck in which case everyone falls over backwards to cover up for you). For the more modern CQB procedures which emphasize clearing under NODs, this won't be used as often and if you need to use this, you should communicate it before you activate it.

VIS laser:
The VIS laser's uses have been enumerated above in >>33981014. additionally they can be used to communicate stuff like "put 40mm in this window" instead of having to say "window, 4th from the left", etc. They can also be used to give a MWD or police dog cues like "go into this room" when it's dark and the doggo can't see shit cause he doesn't have little doggy NODs.

IR laser:
The IR laser is your primary aiming device while wearing NODs. If you suspect the enemy has NODs don't use this. Otherwise, this is the most efficient way to shoot while you hang 5" long tubes in front of your face.

IR illuminator:
The IR illuminator serves a similar purpose to the VIS light, helps you PID threats only it's good under NODs and should have no visible spectrum signature (not necessarily true of the steiner LED one, there's a reason why the best units use lasers for the illuminator instead of LEDs).

>>33981063
just because you can see the beam doesn't mean you can see the source but yes.
even taliban wised up to this and learned to use optics to spot ir beacons etc and fire on them.
you don't just walk around with a laser on 24/7 though, or a beacon for that matter.

>>33981157
>The IR laser is your primary aiming device while wearing NODs
I WANT THIS GOD DAMNED MEME TO FUCKING DIE FUCK

I USED MY FRIEND'S PVS7 ON AN AR15 WITH AN EOTECH AND IT WAS COMFORTABLE, I EVEN HAD CHEEK WELD

ALL YOU CHEEKLETS WHO CANT USE NVGs AND AIM DOWN YOUR SIGHTS AT THE SAME TIME NEED TO HECK OFF MY BOARD

>>33981228
>I EVEN HAD CHEEK WELD

wow what a miracle. did you shoot drills under NODs or did you just shoulder the rifle? try running and gunning with that setup, using a shot timer, and come back to me on that one.

Every organization that i know of that's actually collected empirical data to compare results between IR laser and using the day optic under NODs has found the IR laser far superior for CQB shooting under NODs. There's a reason why SOCOM buys the damn things.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFfLevWpXOE

try this looking through the day optic through a set of PVS-7s

other disadvantage is that method only works with RDS. complete no-go with a magnified optic.

>>33980965
lol, someone hit a nerve.

>>33981274
>>33981228
When I was enlisted we used pvs14s in conjunction with comp m4s pretty well

>>33978048
I broke about six MRAP Cougars my first deployment.

That was more Motor T's fault though for not servicing them whatsoever.

The 3 minerollers I broke were my fault though, but fuck you if I were driving the recommended speed Id still be in the middle of helmand province somewhere.

>>33963749
The hardest fucking part is finding a good laser diode.

Fuck the US and our dogshit regulations for lasers.

>>33981927
14s over the dominant eye or non-dominant eye? IIRC doctrine says non-dominant so if you were doing that it's a lot easier to shoot with day optic at night cause you don't have to worry as much about the NODs smacking your gun.

>>33981157
>doggy NODs

FUND IT

>>33981063
>Same thing for IR lasers/illuminators, if the enemy has NODs he'll spot you the second you press your IR laser/illum
>what gives?

It's called light discipline. While US forces have initially enjoyed an environment where IR light discipline wasn't needed so much, now we do employ it more with cheap enemy countermeasures more widely used.

Completely passive IR signatures are possible with RDS that have NVG compatible settings. EOTechs are especially useful for this since they have a wider field of view which is a huge bonus for aiming with a NOD since you don't always get good cheek weld easily, plus it emits no forward light signature unlike a standard collimated RDS.

>>33976924
I know that. It doesn't change the fact that even if you buy a different helmet most dudes will still rock their pads/liners since they have the comfiest and nicest ones available. My point was against the strawman argument of certain products not being sold by TNVC that it doesn't mean the product is bad. I have a TW exfil carbon (bought well before the election) and plan on eventually buying a ballistic helmet. Even if it's not TW I will probably be using their pad liner system unless a better/comfier one is available.

>>33976302
My point is that I can illuminate almost any area I want to at any practical range for the same price as weak civilian market IR aiming devices. Secondly I can use as much or as little power as I want to on my device since it uses more than two power settings. Why limit yourself to 200 yards or so when you can have a laser for the same price as a civilian legal one? It also has zero chance of DHS shenanigans if you're deciding between stolen government ones, will be new, and cheaper.

>>33983009
what are the modes and corresponding power settings for the perst-3? i can't into cyrillic

>>33983260
It just has IR/IR+Illuminator/Red/Off on the top throw switch. It works like an EOTech or Holosun, just press + or - to go through something like 10 or 20 power settings or rotate the knob on the pressure pad. 20mW IR max and it goes down to below 0.7mW, 500mW illuminator, 4mW Red. Double press the power button or the pressure pad to do pulse mode.

>>33983329
that's actually surprisingly slick, i thought russians couldn't into UI. sadly that's smarter than the LA-5 / PEQ-15 switchology although maybe not at the MAWL level of slickness.

I assume pressing the button or pressure pad is momentary on and in pulse mode it stays pulsing when released?

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>>33983380
It's a double tap on the pressure pad or power button for pulse mode, press for on and press for off. There's a lockout switch on the pressure pad, too.

>>33983498
oh ok so either way the button is a constant on

>>33981893
No, you're just as much of a useful idiot as TW is.

Whats about russian NVGs? Worth a damn or meme-tier slavshit?

>>33984315
they aren't as good at making tubes so pass. out of everything in the NVG setup the most technically difficult to make is the tube

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>>33983950
Yes. One press for on and one press for off. A double press like a double click does pulse. There's two power buttons on the box and one on the pressure pad but they all perform the same function.

I've translated the manual from manually transliterating most every word and putting it into google translate. Basically, there's only a few things you need to know past what I've already told you.

There's a very faint light blue LED on the rear of the box for both the perst4 and 3 that lights up when the IR laser is active - it's only barely able to be seen in darkness. On the PERST-3 you adjust the illuminator using scews that have corresponding pictograms. Do not unscrew anything except the mount, battery compartment, and the illuminator adjusment screws.

ИK is IR
K is Red
0 is illuminator
выкл is off

>>33984315
Most all of it is just as good as the other budget gen 1 stuff. Sadly collectors buy it and run the price up, so you're almost always better off buying something else. PNV-57E's are probably the best model out there (around gen 2 performance). They look identical to PNV-57A which are gen 1, but the E models are rare and hard to find.

I'd recommend to either go full budget gen 1 and understand that they are shit and polished shit with IR illumination or to save for US made gen 3 which is the most practical choice of anything.

>>33984377
>>33984365
All righty. So no easy way out of the C.R.E.A.M. situation with slav stuff. Go big or go home, i guess.

>>33984377
Oh and the illuminator uses the knob between the lasers and the illuminator for brightness adjustment. You can adjust the width of the illuminator using the dial around the illuminator. It has a focused cap and an unfocused cap. I normally use the focused cap and leave it at it's widest field of view for normal use or I can adjust it down to almost laser like divergence which makes one hell of 500mW beam.

>>33961066
Just fucking buy this if you want a regular laser/light combo, you Normie.

http://www.evike.com/products/60104/

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>>33977905
Underrated post.

>>33966167
>MAWLninja

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>>33984377
Looks nice, got my Perst 4 last week and love it for shooting with my NVGs, I asked Zenit what the pressure switch port size was so I could make my own dual switch for it and my surefire but they said its a proprietary size I would't find outside of Russia so I guess Ill just have to order another Zenit switch to cannibalize it. Also need to find out what the thread size is for the adjustment caps, not a fan of the rubber one, it looks like the older models have metal turret caps.

>>33984570
>is an anarchist
> but would probably get hit with a CS canister and faint because he's a weak body
Stop fantizing, faggot. You'd be the first one to fall put of line and give up your friends in a riot.

>>33977905
t. butthurt civvie who couldn't hack it in the military or law enforcement

>>33976480
Kek, you're a cop not an operator you guys seem to forget about that these days. I'm not sure what your job entails, but if it does entail the use of nvgs I would expect you to be able to give A decent argument. A construction worker can tell you that Dewalt makes the best impact driver and he can tell you why.

>>33984734
Cops are "civvies." Ex mil are "civvies." You are not better than anyone just because you label them beneath you. Typically the people who label others as beneath them are the smallest of men. Usually tough talking cowards too so there's that.

>>33984418
>>33984377
Actually just went outside to double check. Looks like the power level on the laser and the illuminator are slaved. The center knob is a screw that I'm not sure what it does.

Glad you like it. PERST boxes are the best kept secret of NVG stuff. My PERST-4 and 3 both have metal caps. My PERST-4, however is an early serial number and doesn't have the selector switch up top. I have to hold + and - on mine to switch from IR to red, which isn't as nice as their standardized selector they have now.

I just checked the connectors. It's a 3 pin at least on my PERST-3. I think it uses this plug (M5 3 pin connector). Probably +, -, and ground/signal.

https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/M5-pre-mold-waterproof-connector-with_60555925631.html

>>33985778
>>33984671
Mean to include my reply.

>>33961090
>Because not everyone is a tryhard

FTFY

>>33976307
Get a thermal monocular

>ITT: A bunch of idiots that walk around their 1 bedroom apartments with all the lights off with their laser and NVG.

>>33977905

Who else but an ego driven person would join special forces? I mean, yeah they do a great job and service, but it's not like they are investing in their future when they choose a job that is going to permanently fuck their bodies and give them no skills that are useful in the market. Further, money really isn't everything if you don't have a good body or marketable skills to invest in. Even the combat training is pointless if your body is withered away from too much stress. And I'm sure most of them become keyboard warriors when they realize that they can rely on social security checks and never work again, which only fuels their issues. I'm sure they have literally nobody else to talk to besides teenagers in schools, so yeah, expect them on websites like 4chan.

I'm not saying special forces or infantry are bad people, but they clearly think totally different than me in terms of priorities.

>>33963749
where can I get something like that. It would make a perfect fuck and your eyes for life at range weapon.

I'm down under btw.

>>33966908
Finally someone who gets it

>>33986076
I accidentally into special forces. I just wanted to be combat engineer or medic.
Recruiter told me outline of work and what I would be called. Did not realize that what it really meant until 4th week when backing out was no longer viable option. Best worst accident in my life. My lover body, lungs and ears are permanently fucked and I don't regret a single thing.

>>33965061
Hows the weight distribution feel on the shooty end?

>>33961066
If you can't find that thing for 700 you're an idiot

>>33987545
care to prove your superior intellect by posting a link?

>>33985778
>>33985785
Yeah 1 of my friends with NVG's had one and convinced another local friend with NVG's to get his than I got one "Used" off Armslist for 400 shipped and I'm really happy about it, so much better than my Lasermax .07mw IR laser. Yeah it looks like all the Perst lasers use that same connector, Ill have to buy a couple of these thanks so much for finding the size! I asked Zenit and they wouldn't tell me (understandable desu) 2 of my friends I went with NVG shooting with had Civvie Atipals and the IR laser/Illuminator setting was awesome since its just 1 pressure switch or tap to get it working so I wanted to recreate that with my Surefire M952V by splicing in the Zenit plug with the Surefire switch. The pressure switch on my Perst-4 is hold for momentary, tap for on/off, or double tap for the pulse setting (which pulses way too slow to be usable in my opinion) Going to have to figure out what the 4th pin for the Perst does, maybe diagnostic mode or something?

>>33961066
>why is this allowed
Because freedom you faggot

>>33961193
So, you mean like a tv remote?

Shit, just pull an emitter from an old tv remote, order a lense/heat sink for it online and install it in a baby mag light instructables style. Make your own for like $10 out of junk.

>>33988810
It's probably a pwm signal like on a computer fan.

>>33989291
>wow DuDE JuSt toTALLy IR LED inTO LAZUr

>>33990599
That's what I'm saying

>>33990673
>LED
>into laser diode

>>33990730
Laser is LED

>>33990734
A standard LED does not have a coherent collimated beam. A laser does.

>>33990770
Not without a lense

>>33990786
A lens will only focus it to a point. A laser has a beam divergence is less than 1-2nm. You cannot just nigger rig a lens (especially for 10 dollars) to an LED and achieve that. It will never be coherent, it will have divergence at any distance other than the focal point (and even then the other wavelengths will make it partially off still), and the wavelength will vary and emit some visible light like the steiner LED illuminator does.

>>33990858
I am not a nigger.
Lasers have lenses that focus a beam.

>>33991430
And you're going to get a lens and securely attach it to the LED so that it has a divergence within an order of magnitude of a laser for 10 dollars?

>>33990734
that's not even true though

>>33991511
What if you shaved the LED flat and used a lens of identical refraction and glued them together?

Look, all I'm getting at is a TV remote uses an IR emitter and in essence that's all a laser is. I mean a laser pointer is dirt cheap, a really good one can be found for $50 and obviously it being IR isn't exactly revolutionary.

>>33991963
Laser is not diode that emits light?

>>33992027
if im going to be pedantic lasers use LEDs but there are obviously major performance differences between lasers and typical LEDs. trying to conflate the two indicates ignorance

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>>33968057
IS THAT
A FAMAS?

Nah, for real though, kill yourself you retarded bubba fudd

>>33976924
they never supported hillary you stupid memeing fuck you are literally fucking cancer you gullible III% faggot

>>33992053
So what you're saying is that you were entirely and completely incorrect.

>>33976307
they both have their uses, thermal imaging will show you items behind smoke or fog but it leaves out critical details. while under nods you can differentiate between people and make out distinct features while thermal imaging does not quite show you as much detail, especially at further distances.

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>>33992091
>welcomes her to their facility to give a speech
>company president donates 20-60k every election to dems

You're a fucking retard.

>>33992356
i'm a different guy, buddy

>>33992210
Not that guy but, lasers are a subset of light emitting diodes. It'd be like calling a kentucky rifle and an SR-25 practically the same thing. They are both rifles but the SR-25 clearly has much more stringent definitions of operating criteria than the kentucky rifle does.

Lasers, too, have much more specific operating criteria that make a standard LED, like the ones found in remotes, are poorly suited to something like a infrared aiming device since they are not collimated and will have much more divergence than a properly engineered laser compared to whatever lens you can fit over it. Their wavelength isn't specific and often falls in a range that puts it in visible as well.

Here's a website that actually sells laser collimators.

https://www.thorlabs.com/newgrouppage9.cfm?objectgroup_id=6138

Notice how they are not 10 dollars.This is not even counting the fact you still have nothing to mount the lens/diode to, nor do you have any kind of adjustment apparatus for zeroing the laser. This is also all assuming the LED in the remote is worth a shit and you can properly rig everything together. After all of that work your laser still does not have any power settings and you're left guessing emission levels if you do manage to make a variable power supply.

A project like that is better suited for a poorfag gen 1 NVG use case where they just simply need illumination on the cheap and can buy a cheap IR laser separately.

>>33993591
Cool, I was being kind of a cunt but that's a quality answer right there.

>>33986076
because its fun, fag.

>>33985115
But Dewalt doesn't

>>33992027
Wtf! Are you THIS dumb?

>>33995979
Are you?

>>33993591
Lasers are NOT a subset of LEDs. What is up with all the retards talking about shit they don't understand?

>>33995983
What is beam collimation? What is energy pumping? Fuck man, read a fucking book.

>>33961066
Gotta scam the gubormint.

>>33995990
Both of them use p n junction diodes to emit a source of radiation. They are both a subset of that. Are you happy now?

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>>33998619
no I'm not happy you faggot. Where is the beam collimator? Why do you think lasers NEED an LED as a pumping source? What is a fucking CHEMICAL LASER?

I just got into the night vision world as a civilian with too much money and time on his hands.

Good stuff.

I'm gonna do a cheapo bino setup with rebuilt PVS-14s

LOLOL. The people who thinks that IR energy can only come from LEDs is straight up retarded.

LED IR illumination is the shittiest, cheapest kind.

>>33999524
A lazer is a diode that emits light, a light emitting diode.

>>33999524
Lol I clearly posted a link to the collimator lens in my previous post. I even stated that less alone do not have the same wavelength. These posts were also in reference to using cheap leds as an alternative to lasers which I already pointed out the above deficiencies plus coherence. Secondly none of these ir lasers are chemical ones.

I have no idea what is going on here, but lasers are not LEDs and they exist entirely separate of them, it just happens that a number of small lasers use solid state diodes for producing laser, as population inversion is fairly simple to achieve with low voltage with certain diodes

>>33999731
WHAT THE FUCK? NIGGA GO BACK TO SCHOOL.

>>33999816
So if you go and buy a lazer. You're most likely buying a diode that emits light. That's what I've been saying this whole time.

>>33999863
No you.

>>33999981
>So if you go and buy a lazer. You're most likely buying a diode that emits light. That's what I've been saying this whole time.
NO BITCH, YOU'RE SAYING ALL LASERS ARE LEDS.

YOU STUPID FUCK.

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>>34000154
They pretty much are
>3 seconds in google
Oh and they emit light.

>>33968057
why didnt you get an rdb gun jesus endorsed those at least.

>>33976712
Spotted the REMF

>>33976712
But have you tried a 20B?

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>>33961163
Suck it conservacuck hypocrites

>>34000940
YOUR LEVEL OF STUPIDITY IS SIMPLY ASTOUNDING.

IS A CAR JUST A GASOLINE INTERNAL COMBUSTION ENGINE? IS A CARTRIDGE JUST THE PRIMER? IS YOUR FUCKING BRAIN JUST A PILE OF SHIT (YES FOR THIS ONE, YOU DUMB FUCK).

>>34000940
>wow I canz google, wow I iz zmart.

Just because an LED is a laser component doesn't make a laser and LED.

>>33976712
Wow Talk about living in the past. Get on the 20B.
> "I know all you 11B think your bad shit"
Yea you right.

>>33976712
You CANT crack your neck just by turning it? Fuckin egotistical faggot.

Holy SHIT this thread wen down the shitter since I last checked.

gj guys

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>>34004251
Getting this ass-blasted over a fucking laser pointer

>>33961163
(((Merchants)))

>>34004251
>wow I'm so smart I can't understand how a set works

>>34005609
since when did actual discussions even happen on /k/

>>33981157
Wow, an actually good post in this shit storm of a thread!

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>>33984734

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>>34010516
i tried

It's actually really hard to get good info about using NODs for people-hunting unless it's your job. Mostly the NVG enthusiast forums just like to talk about shooting hogs and showing off their new gear. Nothing wrong with that but there's no consideration of light discipline or PID of targets. A lot of guys who think they "own the night" because of their $9000 dual tubes and their overpriced pressure switches would have a bad wake up call if they were to get into it for real.

Here's something i wrote in /arg/ about why you want slaved IR illuminator and IR laser on your IR lasey-thingy:

(in response to a rifle setup where the pressure switch causes the thumb to block the PEQ-15 IR illuminator.)

even if you use the IR mode on the WMX200 (silly imo, will explain later) that means your threat discrimination process is
>see someone
>hit button for light
>oh shiddd, is talib
>move finger and hit button for laser
>pew pew pew pew pew (assuming there's enough light to see a silhouette to even shoot at, if not then you're just fucked)

Whereas if you set the PEQ to IR las + IR illum, you can make it much smoother:
>see someone
>hit button for IR light and laser
>oh shiddd, is talib
>pew pew pew pew pew

The reason you want the WMX200 set to vis light and not IR by default (even under NODs) is that if someone turns a white light on you, your NODs are likely useless. So the immediate action drill is to look under or over your NODs, activate your white light for PID (so you can actually see that you're shooting a bad guy and not his kid with a flashlight), and engage with your day optic. If your flashlight is set to IR, what happens is that you can't fucking see shit and either have to blindly shoot at a light (a recipe for babbykilling) or you just stand there fucking with the flashlight head until you eat AK rounds.

>>34002799
>yellow and black
literally the only shit version of popular anarchism; neck yourself

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>>34010714
wow you put a lot of thought into this
it would be a shame if no one cared

>>33981157
>little doggy NODs
Kek

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>>33984734
>civvie

The inferiority complex is so strong.

>>34010714

5 star post

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>>33973747
I just bought a perst4 because of you

>>34013416
not really
nothing i wrote is new, this is all stuff that is being taught by various instructors

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>>33976307

thermal
>sees though fog
>does not see though foliage
>does not see though glass
>does not have readily available aiming/illumination enhancements

quality measured in the refresh rate and pixel count

low quality 400$
medium quality $1000
high quality $5000-15000

NV
>sees though glass
>does not see though fog
>can use lasers and IR to aim/ illuminate

quality measured in generation

gen1 (shit tier, ~50$ range, you can see things)

gen2 (okay range, 100yds good vis at best, possible illumination required ~150$)

gen2+ (sold as "budget" NV, bridges gap between 2 (in the ~300 dollaz range)

gen3 (unless you want to fly with that shit, this is probably all you need, 1500-5000$)

>>34015756
>>does not see though foliage
wat

if anyone's hiding in a thick jungle you're more likely to see him using thermals instead of NV because the thermals would highlight his body parts