Why buy an AR15 when there are several better rifles on the market??

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>>33958729
Name a better one then. Not trolling but the AR has passed the test of time at this point as a fantastic rifle that will work in many adverse conditions. Also, it's super popular so you can get one at any desired price point and find ammo everywhere for it

Because most people are idiots who don't do research and just buy what they saw that cool guy on youtube using.

>>33958729
cuz i used one in the army and dont want to learn a new system

>>33958729
Parts and accessories, it's cheap, it works better than an ak in the mud.

>>33958729
it's cheaper than the so-called better rifles.

>>33958729
>Why buy an AR15 when there are several better rifles on the market??

They are easy to build, and customization is cost effective.

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>>33958729
Kek

I they will not be able to resist the bait that still has a tag from the store that says "Bait, buy one get one 1/2 off".

>>33958729

What are those several other rifles?

>>33958729
Name one rifle at the same entry level price point that's superior?

>>33958812
SCAR, HK416, CZ805, Tavor x95 plus numerous others.

>better
Yeah like what exactly?

>>33958842
All meme rifles that nobody buys, and ultra expensive at that.

>>33958842
by what metric are any of these superior to an AR15 built to the same pricepoint?

>>33958868
>I'm poor so everything expensive is shit

>>33958889
Only the SCAR is anything special and it's not special in 5.56.

>>33958729
Cost to performance ratio.

Sure, SCAR or ACR or HK offer some slight improvements, with double or more the price. What exactly do these better rifles do so much better than a basic AR that they cost so much?

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>>33958842
>let me name as many overpriced guns as possible and call you a poorfag for not agreeing with meh!

also, where can i buy a HK416 you no gunz faggot?

>>33958940
Well, they look cooler.

>>33958940
even better, how are they better than an AR built to their price?

>>33958842
The MR556 is just a piston driven, modified AR style of weapon. Same mags (for the most part), and relatively same fcg OTHER than the hammer which HAS to be Mil-Spec (can't be notched) in order to bypass the firing pin safety the MR556 has. And even then you're not a cuck with a notched hammer are you?

Granted it uses its own spring and buffer system but that's no different than needing the proper buffer and spring for the proper gas system with a regular DI AR.

>>33958812
AKM

>>33958842
All heavier than a DI AR without any benefit when chambered in 5.56.

At room clearing distances a Tavor is no better than a 10.5 or 11.5 AR. For longer distances I want a gun with a much better trigger than the Tavor has.

The SCAR in 5.56 doesn't do anything an AR can't and it's heavier. Same for the CZ805.

Now when someone comes out with a design that weighs 5.5lbs fully loaded with optics, irons, and a light with at least a 16" barrel that is capable of 1 MOA and an overall length that is shorter than an AR with a 16" barrel I might be interested.

>>33958802
Bought a Ruger 10/22 today for that reason. Gonna see how fucky I can make it look. Any ideas?

>>33959097
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DX73uXs3xGU

>>33959121
buy the P90 stock or something like that

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>>33958755
>still jams more than a modern rifle should
>carbine 5.56 blows

>>33959384
It's gonna be an AR chambered in a 6.5 or 6.8 caliber.

>>33958889
Building your own AR with the money that would've been spent on one of those stock rifles will yield a better weapon.

>>33958729
because an AR is like legos for adults

>>33959384
>still jams more than a modern rifle should

Nice meme.

>>33958755
>passed the test of time
>bolt won't last the life of the barrel

Pick one.

>>33959384
>>33961776

still haven't named a better one

>>33961798
A better what? Bolt design that doesn't snap at half the barrel life?

>>33958755
>midwest industries
kek

>>33961776
>>33961894

>Talking about "better" rifles.
>One of the greatest things about the AR is it's modularity
>"Hurr durr, but muh bolt!?"
>I can literally go out and buy a much better (it's not that bad in the first place you fucking nigger) bolt for cheap and be all set and still totally thrash any of the "better" options out there.

Are you retarded? No, seriously, are you mentally deficient and incapable of critical thinking or something? What else can explain such an incredible lack of foresight than what you just said?

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>>33961748
>scar jammed several 100% less often l than M4
Haha may may

>>33959384
6.5 GRENDEL
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>>33958729

Are you the same moron that tried saying the L85A2 is better than the M16 and M4 in that thread yesterday? Did you get so assblasted from being blown out yesterday that you had to make this thread?

Fucking bongs, I swear to God.

the fact that its the most prevalent weapon system in the usa doesn't hurt...
if shit goes down everyones mags/ammo works with each others weapons.
in the event of ammo shortages 5.56 and 9mm are the most available/stockpiled rounds
affordability at entry level and scalable price/performance as high as you want to scale it within the limitations of the cartage.
aftermarket options are near endless

>>33961941
Reasons your AR jams:
>You're using old, worn-out mags that were shit to begin with instead of the many, MANY aftermarket mags out there that perform significantly better for nearly the same price
>You're a fucking potato

>>33959763
^ this ^ lol

>>33961941

>Using old reports that have been debunked.

Yeah, tell me how the 2006 CNA report that explained most problems were with the magazines, which have since been fixed, as well as later testing showing much different results where the AR's did just fine, hinting at flawed testing methods originally (old ass AR's vs factory-like-new guns, burst fire misconception, etc.), was so totally wrong or something, or how improved ammunition has come along to put to rest that retarded "muh armor, muh tumbling" bullshit is somehow not a factor.

What's it like being a complete fucking moron?

>>33961971
Pmags ftw

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>>33961932
All milspec bolts are the same. If you want something proprietary (aka better) you're going to pay more, not less.

Doesn't change the fact that the average bolt life in an M4 is 7k rounds and 10k for an M16 under NORMAL (not heavy) use.

>>33961984
>2016
>still have problems with magazines
>in 2016

Kek fag

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>>33962005

>Moving the goalposts

Gee, it's a good thing our military never updates it's weapons when it's felt that it's needed, or your incredible stupidity in suggesting a bolt for an AR is, or makes the whole weapon, more expensive than something else (which you still haven't mentioned, by the way, not even going into how the AR is still more modular and supported aftermarket), or I dunno, that having no relating to the OP which doesn't say "in a military setting" or some stupid qualifier shit like that.

Get bullied, nerd.

>>33962045

>Making shit up.
>Not reading the comment.

They have new magazines, as well as allow certain aftermarket magazines (PMags), that solve that issue, and that's old news.

Keep embarrassing yourself though.

>>33961917
What's with the MI hate lately?

>>33958842
If everyone could afford a SCAR and shoot 762 like it doesn't cost almost twice as much as 556 we would. I'll take my ar.

>>33961894

a better rifle for the civilian market

Things to take into consideration

>weight
>price
>aftermarket
>accuracy
>reliability
>flexibility

You said there are better rifles, go

If you wanna point me to another rifle that can be had for just as cheaply with the mindfuckingly huge aftermarket, I'd be glad to hear it.

>>33959121
there are MG42 kits for 10/22's floating around somewhere. I know sportsman's guide used to sell them.

>>33959111
get a geissele replacement trigger for the tavor then you reddit fag. a milspec ar15 trigger is complete shit too

>>33962077
All I read was blah blah I watch a lot of YouTube videos blah blah team murica blah blah arf.com echo chambers blah my persona is tied to muh AR blah blah

>>33962141

>Not an argument.

Someone's cranky. Sorry you're so assmad for being exposed for the retard you are.

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>>33962158
https://youtu.be/VEteC_M1154

>>33959216
While the AK is more likely to fail if you shove clay into the opening on the receiver, the AR is more likely to fail if you don't keep it cleaned and lubed, which means it fails under normal use conditions. Plus if you get clay in your AK you just pop the dust cover and pee in it, or use water if you have it. If your AR gets fucked you're going to have to take it apart, figure out what's going on, then give it a full cleaning and lubing.

>>33962175

Shove a bee or whatever into any other weapons chamber and see how it functions. Or any other myriad of things I could say about that.

Weird how you accuse me of watching YouTube, then post a YouTube video.

Double weird how you act as if one video changes anything. If I posted InRange's mud test with their AR, does that mean I win? Are we gonna go back and forth with this shit?

>>33962198

Also, inb4 retards say "dis is y u need the forward assist!"

>>33958755
"better"

>>33962198
Just a fact pal 5.56 and the AR is being replaced and soon. Buhbye DI and 5.56

>>33962121
still gonna shoot 4 moa ;^)

>>33962226
oh boy he believes this...

>>33958842
I'm getting 1 MOA with my admittedly not so good ranged shooting technique on a $800.00 AR with basic optical sights and offset BUIS and weighs like 7lbs. I'll probably wind up using AR in close 25m-300m most of the time. I shoot like a sniper compared to the AK users around me.
POV has a 11.5 AR in a scabbard.

The SCAR costs 4 times as much, weighs much more. not a bad rifle just expensive.
HK 416 more $ and not buying into the mechanism meme yet.

CZ805 More money again x2.5$ weighs noticeably more than my AR.

Tavor again lots more $ , Different ergo than what I am used too, can't fire off handed (yes I shoot from both hands for JIC), can't shoot from prone effectively. I feel like newbie shooting a Tavor practiced with one JIC I have to use one in a pinch. Where I am Tavors are common.

Did you just Google your alternates?

When you buy your guns out of your pockets the cost/compatibility/versatility/weight/lifetime does matter. Now if someone would give me a German M4 carbine I'd carry it. But it's not compelling for me to go out of the way to get it over what I'm used too.

>>33962226

>One Video
>Could happen to any weapon
>"Fact"

Nice try faggot.

They aren't "replacing" anything anytime soon either. Though I'm curious, which are you, a memepup fag, or a meme caliber/6.whatever fag? Perhaps a combination of both?

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>>33962175
The AR-15 isn't chambered in .22 Hornet, silly!

>>33961776
yeah but i can pick up parts at walmart

>>33962282
It's almost a 70 year old platform. Why would replacing it surprise you?

Sure you've invested a lot into your AR's but technology moves on. It's not going to be a timeless platform like the AK, it never had the potential to be. Every other NATO (and non-NATO) country adopting a non-DI gun should be proof to this. The only countries that use an AR type rifle that isn't a variant of the AR18 only do so because they get free guns from us.

>>33961894
which is cheaper a bolt or a barrel

>>33962337
can't be bothered to read that

>>33962258
was designed for close range Muhammad hunting. you want a jack of all trades gun and your Walmart ar15 isn't as good as you wish it were

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>>33962337
Canada produces its own rifles, M8. They also sell C7's and C8's to a lot of other countries.

>>33962344
so these are the only two options I have huh?

>>33962354
no you can also choose to not have any which I would recommend on account of your overall faggotry

>>33962337

>He believes the non-DI meme.

Regardless, you're in an "AR is shit" thread, talking about it being "obsolete". then point to how other countries are adopting weapons that are based on, or practically are, AR-15's as some sort of weird "proof" that AR's are shit. See how that sounds?

>It's not going to be a timeless platform like the AK

Oh, it appears I'm dealing with a retard. No wonder.

>>33962344

>Says to upgrade the X95
>Can't upgrade the AR for some reason
>Saying the X95 is better in any way than the AR (inb4 "muh OAL! muh BARREL LENGTH!" memes)

Get a load of this kike faggot.

>>33962367
ditto

>>33962349
these guns are great fun
quite a nice service weapon

>>33962397
rather have a tavor than a reddit rifle m&p or other sub $900 ar

>>33962349
>Canada

>>33962342
Oh I'm sorry was someone posting? I didn't read this at all.

>>33962420
i learned more about funs by sorting out my shitty first ar build than you will ever learn from the guns you purchased, put together.

>>33962425
>Moving goalposts

Disregard the fact that C7's and C8's are used by the military and police in something like 8 countries.

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>>33962425

>Says the AR has been around 70 years
>70 whole years to research the pros and cons
>Repeated attempts at replacement
>Other countries buying or sticking with ARs or AR-style rifles, even replacing things like the FAMAS or AUG
>Some Russian and Chinese SF and Police have been spotted using AR's
>Even fucking Iran's SF and ISIS use ARs
>Nope, it's shit, no-one knows better than some random jackass on /k/.

You should seriously consider suicide.

>>33962349
what was the thought process behind that green shit?

How about we buy what we like and let others do the same in peace?

>>33962661

hownew.ru

>>33958887
Why the fuck would build an AR for 3k? If you can afford it those rifles are better. The AR just has the logistical edge with helps with cost and replacement.

>>33962655
to make have green rifles

>>33962349
>pollen green everything

FUCKING GROSS

Also what does that little bit of rail attach to at the end?

>>33959111
>At room clearing distances a Tavor is no better than a 10.5 or 11.5 AR.

Yea, bro, totally ignore terminal fragmentation from a 2400 fps projectile.

>>33962196
>a full cleaning and lubing.

no way. i run no lube in the winter and you don't have to clean the entire gun to clear a jam.

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>>33962196
t. nogunz

>>33962961

Yeah bro, totally ignore velocity-insensitive or other rounds optimized for shorter barrels or, again, the fucking point of that comment, that at such close ranges, that's plenty to get it to fragment and shit.

I bet you're one of those faggots that only thinks M193 is the only round you're supposed to shoot out of AR's.

>>33962963
If enough clay gets into the AR action to stop it (which isn't much) you're fucked. We weren't talking about jams, of which you will have many regardless, again under normal use.

>>33964555
dunno man. FA can take care of most issues if your willing to bash the fuck out of it. then you just pull the trigger and worst case, pop the rear takedown pin and clear it that way.

idk what your talking about. sure they can jam, especially in the cold, but its easy fix.

>>33962655
you know so they can blend in with the foliage, during the two months in canada that aren't winter.

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>>33958729

>>33958756
Wahhhh
>>33958842
Hahaha can you get any of those rifles for $400

Better yet which of those rifles can you completely fix and upgrade, replace a barrel on or a bolt and carrier for $100 or less?

No takers?

>>33962196
The dust cover was closed.

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>>33958842

>Hmm should I buy an AR that's 800 bucks
>Or a 5.56 scar that costs 2k+

>AR is the best because it's the cheapest.
Yeah, that's a fine piece of logic right there. Fucking poorfags.

>>33969929
performance / price

AR-15 wins pretty much every time.

>>33969929
It's not the cheapest. The SU-16 is less expensive, for instance.

>>33964555
What shit tier fudd knowledge is that? I've dropped my rifle in Carolina clay rivers, and the worst it ever got was tap rack bang.

Fucking noguns.

>>33958729
well
>cheap
>cheap ammo
>not strong enough round to hurt little men like me
>easy to handle
>can customize everything to your like

>>33962095
Not him but their customer service a shit. I will never buy from them again after the experience I had trying to buy a rail handguard for my m92 pap

>>33970574
That's odd. I've had great experience with their custom service.