Cold War Hi-jinks Thread.

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>>33936911
OP again.
Shame this never went through.

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>>33936911
>>33936922
And does any one have any info on PROJECT ABLE? I'll post what I've got.

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>>33936935
All I've been able to find really is that it was a 60's era project, between several US companies as well as NASA. As well, it was to be aimed at 15 degrees north, which I've discovered lines up with Vietnam. My hunch is that if 1.7 times moonlight, as well as the normal daylight cycle can kill off foliage, then in the long run, perhaps the sun beam of PROJECT ABLE may have been a better alternative to say, Agent Orange.
Your thoughts?

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can't say I know too much about the zanier stuff in the cold war, but my favorite is definitely the Davy Crockett. How anyone thought this was a good idea is beyond me. I think the best part is that depending on the weather the launcher could be within the kill radius of itself.

>>33936945

An orbital mirror to kill trees seems impractical to me.

>>33937258
Different anon here.

If I remember hearing about this correctly, the idea was to raise the ambient light level at night so their troops could more easily fight. They effectively designed a supersized flash light, because fuck yeah.

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>>33936911

>>33939084
yes!

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the 2B1 oka. cause why the fuck not?

>>33940982
Makes my pee pee hard

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>Later though, Project Pluto would later become known as SLAM or Supersonic Low Attitude Missile which was being developed by Vought LTV Company for the United States Air Force Strategic Air Command for their requirement. Vought SLAM was an all-around “doomsday machine” which carried around 14-26 (depends on the variant) one megaton thermonuclear warheads which were launched from its fuselage, while its engines were spewing toxic radiation from its exhaust which would have poisoned the area when it was flying over. Its engines were also like a sonic weapon because its sonic booms could damage infrastructures and person hearing too. Once the SLAM used all its warheads, the missile would crash into ocean or another target adding to the radiation chaos in the area. SLAM was to be launched from three conventional rocket boosters from a railcar, stationary launcher, and from the proposed Armadillo hardened launch vehicles which was also being developed by Vought at the time for the SLAM and other missile systems from anywhere in the continental United States at targets in the Soviet Union, Warsaw Pact nations, and China. Range for the SLAM missile was over 100,000 miles which can circumvent four times around the world and was capable of loitering for days and even weeks if need be. It speed was over Mach 4 which would outrun any fighters and interceptors that was in service or being built like the Mikoyan & Gurevich MiG-25 Foxbat for example. Most surface to air missiles (SAM) were useless against the SLAM since they were aimed at high attitude targets like the B-47 and B-52 bombers, while the low attitude SAM’s were coming in service or were too slow against the cruise missile during that era.

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>>33940992
have another. the Kondensator (sounds fucking sick)

>>33941249
>tfw thinking of making physics based artillery game
All I need is some context and story for it.
The rest is pure passion for big pipes.

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>>33941225
>nukes your shit
>creates a double Chernobyl when done
>salts the earth it flies over
>built in contingency for being shot down

Why wasn't it born?

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>>33941225

>Orion was a giant massive spacecraft which was 286ft which was taller than most skyscrapers in that era and 164ft in diameter. It would had a crew of close to thirty people onboard that would have operated the orbital battleship. The spacecraft would use a special damper or shock absorbers and shielding to protect the crew from radiation from the ship’s engines and space. Furthermore, Orion also carried five smaller spaceplanes for resupplies, crew replacements, and emergency life boat in case the Orion was having problems or was getting attacked. It was also quite possible that those small spacecraft were used in defensive and offensive roles including protecting the Orion from Soviet spaceplanes and satellites along with providing reconnaissance and strike roles if necessary

>Nevertheless though, the main mission for the Orion battleship would be nuclear deterrence against nations like the Soviet Union, China, and Warsaw Pact nations. The orbital battleship would carry up to 500 20MT nuclear warheads in the frontal part of the spaceship which can be fired downwards while orbiting above a target. However, another radical, but pretty much a doomsday device was an unmanned variant of the Orion battleship armed with a single 3GT (possibly the largest nuclear warhead ever proposed by any nation) nuclear warhead! The ship would fire the warhead or use the ship itself as weapon to strike at its target. Along with its nuclear warheads, the Orion orbital battleship carried massive array of defensive weapon systems like direct-energy weapons, five Mark 42 127mm naval guns, and ten, but mysterious Casaba howitzer which fired a special shaped rounds. The Orion battleship would have lived up to its name since it was armed like a naval battleship on the high seas. The United States Air Force was planning to have a fleet of these orbital battleships in space as a deterrent against the Soviet Union and his allies.

yfw oper8 in literal space armada

>>33941282

From the comments:
>Orion is still be the best non science-fiction mechanism for Real Life™ space exploration, as well as the ability to actually be able to do anything about a potentially dangerous Near Earth Object. It gives us the entire inner solar system and there were planned trips to Mars without needing to plot the most efficient Hohmann transfer orbit, you just go there. Instead of shaving ounces due to the pitiful thrust to weight from chemical rockets as you have enormous delta-vee and are talking about how many TONS of payload you want. Instead of a crew of a handful of crew, it's dozens.

Good read:
http://www.defenceaviation.com/2013/04/usaf-nuclear-powered-doomsday-machines.html

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>>33941287
Make a nuke shaped charge that just launches a beam of pure fuck-you

>Despite the reduction in cone spread, the stream of particles produced by by Casaba Howitzer dissipates much more quickly than an electro-magnetically accelerated particle beam or a laser.

>it is possible to reduce the beam angle to 0.006 degrees in width, as reported by the third-generation nuclear weapons study. 0.057 degrees has been experimentally achieved by project Prometheus. The trade-off is much lower efficiency than propulsive units (5-10% vs 80-85%).

>The theoretical maximal performance of a thermonuclear device is 25TJ/kg. Modern weapons are able to achieve 2.5TJ/kg, but this figure is for large weapons that have better scaling. Smaller warheads such as those tested for project Prometheus are likely to be in the kiloton range, and mass about 100kg. Better understanding of fission ignition has reduced the nuclear material requirement down to a kilogram or less.

>A nuclear detonation only lasts a microseconds, so we can assume that the entire energy of the unit is delivered to the target in a single pulse of duration 10^-6 seconds. As the particles produced expand in a cone with an angle ?, we can use the following equation to calculate the destructive potential at various distances:

>>33941305
Range and yield:

>Small Casaba Howitzer (50kg)
>0.01 radian directivity (0.057 degrees)
>5kt yield, 10% efficiency: 2.09TJ
>Distance 1km: Irradiance = 2.09GJ/m^2
>Distance 10km: Irradiance = 209MJ/m^2
>Distance 100km: Irradiance = 2.09MJ/m^2
>Distance 1000km: Irradiance = 2kJ/m^2

>Large Casaba Howitzer (1000kg)
>0.001 radian directivity (0.0057 degrees)
>1Mt yield, 5% efficiency: 0.2PJ
>Distance 1km: Irradiance = 0.2TJ/m^2
>Distance 10km: Irradiance = 24GJ/m^2
>Distance 100km: Irradiance = 200MJ/m^2
>Distance 1000km: Irradiance = 2.09MJ/m^2

>Futuristic Megaton Nuclear lance
>0.0001 radian directivity (0.00057 degrees)
>1Mt yield, 20% efficiency: 0.83PJ
>Distance 1000km: Irradiance = 0.83GJ/m^2
>Distance 100000 km: Irradiance = 83kJ/m^2

Penetration vs aluminum:

>Small Casaba Howitzer:
>X = 2.09TJ
>10km, Y = 0.994m: 734mm penetration
>50km, Y = 4.97m: 5.86mm penetration

>Large Casaba Howitzer:
>X = 0.2PJ
>1000km, Y = 9.94m: 70.2mm penetration
>5000km, Y = 49.7m: 0.56mm penetration

>Futuristic Megaton Nuclear lance:
>X = 0.83PJ
>10000km, Y = 9.94m: 291.3mm penetration
>50000km, Y = 49.7m: 2.33mm penetration

>>33941324
tl;dr:

>
The results reveal that the Casaba Howitzer is an extremely destructive weapon, with the larger models able to strike at distances usually reserved for lasers. Even a small Casaba Howitzer is effective at up to 50km, using technology tested in the 80s. Larger, more modern devices can strike at extreme distances. Futuristic devices will be limited to particle velocities of about 10000km/s, so time to target is negligible.

sauce:
http://toughsf.blogspot.com/2016/06/the-nuclear-spear-casaba-howitzer.html

>>33941337
>particle velocities of about 10000km/s
>10000km/s
>3.3% c
Seems kind of low.

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>>33941460
>10,000 km/s
>a non-decimal percentage of c
>Kinda low

The fuck out of here thinking that's low.

>>33941489
Compared to niggering people with lasers or mazers that is kind of low.

Still, it'll probably get the pizza there in 30 minutes or less.

>>33941515
>a liquid bolt moving at 3.3% c

Sure, it's kind of slow compared to light, but it is pretty impressive for what it achieves.

>mfw alternate history
>world survives nuclear war between United States and URSS with the US emerging as a victor due to preemptive strike
>survivors from soviet territory pool all their remaining resources into a hail-mary desperate space program to leave a ravaged Earth once and for all
>after a few decades, a colony ship with tens of thousands of Soviets depart to Mars
>a couple of centuries later civilization on Earth is recovering from the nuclear devastation, under the stewardship of US's remnants and its turning its eyes towards the stars
>meanwhile the Soviet exiled have manage to succeed in their colonization efforts and have managed to build a civilization of a few million people on Mars
>they're now building a fleet of vengeance to seek retribution for the lands of their ancestors being destroyed
>so it begins the first extra-planetary Cold War

>>33939164
>nuclear powered TBM
The war may be over long before it gets there, but it'll get there

>>33941584
>single Orion heads out
>shits up all of mars

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>>33936911
>nuke and steam powered EFP

I cant find the screencap but it was something like this.


The ZSU-23-4 outclassed all NATO anti-aircraft guns at the time, and it is still regarded as posing a major threat for low-flying fixed-wing aircraft and helicopters. NATO considered the Shilka to be so dangerous that, in time of war, standing orders required NATO pilots to destroy any Shilka observed, even if doing so required the pilot to abandon his mission.

>Is that a Shilka?
>Yup. sure is, boss
>NATO orders, we gotta go fuck it up
>...Boss, you do realize we're flying a C-17, right?
>NATO ORDERS, WE GOTTA GO FUCK IT UP!

>>33941685
>WE'RE COMING IN LOW
>LOWER THE CARGO RAMP AND DROP A PALLET ON IT

>>33941282
They redid the math on the super Orion and it would have yielded closer to 7 gigatons.

Imagine that detonating over europe, image fucking SEEING that detonation

>>33941685
It's only 23mm, it stands no chance against an A-10. One of those things took a 40mm to the tail and kept moving like normal.

>>33941801
I'd think of the binary sunset scene from A New Hope.

>>33941548
>>33941515
>>33941489
>>33941460
Remember that even today, we have difficulties building (and more importantly powering) a laser that would be effective for combat.

Theoretically it might be better, but it is still just a theory.

Remember that we're talking about a ship that, money issues aside, could have been commissioned in 1980.

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>The Po-2 is also the only biplane credited with a jet-kill, as a Lockheed F-94 Starfire was lost while slowing down to 110 mph – below its stall speed – during an intercept in order to engage the low flying Po-2

J U S T

>>33941913
FUCKING SAVAGE

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>>33941913
[Brrrts internally]

>Project Blue Peacock's goal was to store a number of ten-kiloton nuclear mines in Germany, to be placed on the North German Plain and, in the event of Soviet invasion from the east, detonated by wire or an eight-day timer

>One technical problem was that during winter buried objects can get very cold, and it was possible the mine's electronics would get too cold to work after some days underground. One particularly remarkable proposal suggested that live chickens be included in the mechanism.

layers of fuckery

>>33941704
>SIR, WE'RE CARRYING MEN NOT CARGO
>THEN DROP A FUCKING SEAL AND SEE HOW THEY LIKE IT

>>33941850
>ONE
>when the shilka delivers 10 a second

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>>33938320
What a great idea

>lol remember that time we set off a nuke a few miles from a infantry unit just to see if it would kill them or not?
>yeah, good times
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desert_Rock_exercises

>>33936945
Its purpose was to light up the ho chi min trail at night so we could bomb them all the time

>>33936922
Oh and if this gives anyone else a boner

read footfall

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>>33941279
I still think a good way to end a SLAM Pluto run would be to detonate the rear ward most warhead that sits next to the several tons of fuel in the reactor. The gamma flux and neutrons that follow would fast fission the remaining U-235 and Pu-239 in the reactor fraternally. Preferably at an air burst for a 1-50 Mt max dig the Earth out crater.

>>33937093
Fuck the hats from that era looked dumb

>>33941913
CHARLIE CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT

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>>33942289

Webm related?

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Oh well, since cold war is directly related to nukes, this will be a nuke thread too.

Posting the rest of my nuke stuff.

Anybody else here think we need to return to critical nuclear testing? It's probably a good idea to modernize our stockpiles and improve our capabilities with them. This can be done above ground or otherwise imo. If Anon Oppenheimer is here, I'd like to know his thoughts.

>>33941801
You wouldn't be seeing anything else ever again. I'm fairly confident that shit would be visible from the east coast.

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>>33942767

The Russians are designing and tweaking their excisting warhead designs by subcritical laboratory tests and computer simulations.

So there is no need for critical testing and if you did that, it would send out all kinds of wrong signals especialy with the north Koreans sperging out, it would make the USA seem (and be) a bunch of hypocrits and hand Kim a casus beli to go full steam ahead with his nuclear program.

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I posted 5 allready: >>33942683.

>>33942815
I just wanna watch the Boom though....

>>33942767
>above ground or otherwise

how to needlessly antagonize every industrialized power on earth: the post

>>33942344

The light of freedom shall never be extinguished.

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>>33942843

Oh i definitely know that feeling and urge to watch something as powerfull as that but alas, it wont happen in todays world (Assuming no world war).

>>33937093
the launcher wasnt inside the kill radius dipshit god i hate this meme

We need to do a multinational nuclear test filmed in glorious 8k, from a gorrllion angles, with target effects.

We can say it's to show the modern world the horrors of nuclear war or some shit, who cares. Point is I wanna see boom.

>>33942815
The US already does subcritical testing as a part of its Stockpile Stewardship programs. And obviously you'd let people in on it and have other countries set up their equipment with us or something like that.

>>33942847
Could be underground too I meant.

>>33936945
Gooks can't sneak in your wire if you can see them at night.

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Sadly, ran out of nuke explosions.

Webm is Zapad-81, the largest Soviet excersises ever done; it involved 150.000/150,000 troops and lasted for 8 days and new weapons were introduced.

>>33942744
>>33942760
>>33942770
>>33942911
>I will never feel or witness the absolute beauty of a nuclear test
I envy my dad so much for being able to experience the last nuclear test at UNLV

>>33941279

We didn't want the Soviets coming up with something scarier.

>>33942234
>Sir, our SEAL's requesting a pickup.
>>Did he take out the ZSU?
>Uh... he says he's captured it...

>>33942241
pretty sure it fires 40 per second cuz > 4 barrels

>>33942781
What are those smoke trails to the right?

>>33943050

Those are from (sounding) rockets to see how the blastwave propagates from the explosions

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>>33942767
Our stockpile is getting modernized.

The SLBM force just got an absurdly effective new fuse.

The B-61-12 is a PGM nuke.

We are doing effective modernization without the need for tests, which are both monetary and politically costly.

>>33941249
I wonder if that thing was ever fired.

>>33942849
>that small cloud aboce the advancing horses
Everything's small in Korea land aint it?

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>>33936911
Oh dear lord haven't had a hearty chuckle like that in a while

>>33936911
>the Casaba Howitzer bolt is instantaneous, non-interceptable
http://www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/spacegunconvent.php#id--Nukes_In_Space--Nuclear_Shaped_Charges
Dear Lord we need this in more Sci-Fi settings.
>Fucking aliens approach Earth
>They think their little spaceships are so fancy and advanced
>our stupid little human Anti-Air missiles are too primitive to pose a threat
>They all break out in haughty laughter
>BANG
>What the fuc-
>A beam of light goes straight through the Mothership
>Twists the fucker inside out
>Explodes a split second later

>Aliens collectively shit themselves
Galactic Lebensraum soon

>>33944244
>hello earthlings, we come in peace
>yes, we'll fly our spaceship over that tan patch of earth with all the dump trucks near it
>now what did you want to talk ab-

>>33939084
Looks like the Skylanes planes you can find crashed in Fallout 4.

Here's some 'Nam fuckery:
Lazy dog "bombs". Essentially just sharpened chunks of metal to be dropped in large numbers on the enemy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lazy_Dog_(bomb)

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>>33939164
Yes!
Save this for the next unnaground thread

>>33942683
so wait, i've seen this before but i don't know anything about it. did they get messed up from the radiation? plz halp

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>>33941685
OP here again.
I believe this is what you're looking for?

>>33941270
it was the year 20XX, everything was built of 1980s technology because of sweet ass CRT/ VHS screen effects. Antimatter warheads have annihilated much of earth's high technology and greatest minds. Thankfully rock and roll, and the US Army Artillery corps have persisted. No so thankfully so too, has the Red Army.

Use the decaying satelite networks to track and attack your enemy on what is left of the earth's landmasses, battle islands! Launch amphibious assults, artillery barrages, and break the last international treaties by unleashing ANTI MATTER WARHEADS.

Who knows, you might even find an intact silo, or cache of old 1980's telnet /k/ BBS communications with valuable insights.

EXPLODER 20XX, BE THERE OR BE SQUARE.

>>33942935
I'm curious what's falling in the water afterwords.

>>33945238

Unvaporized bits of the bomb shell maybe?

>>33945238
fish

>>33944348
>it's fucking lawn darts
Why aren't we still using these, it's super cheap!

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>>33936935
>The sun never sets on the American Empire

Read Blind Man's Bluff.

Literally Cold War shenanigans the book.

It starts off with an experimental US sub sinking right at the start of the Cold War, six people (not from that sub) die by drowning upside down or by slamming into the side of the rescue sub. All for a spook op that didn't pan out.

>>33944521
Here's the Army documentary about the exercises.
https://ia800205.us.archive.org/1/items/ExerciseDesertRock1951/ExerciseDesertRock1951_512kb.mp4

>>33939164
Command and Conquer Tiberian Sun tech is real?

>>33945919
This was very interesting but I note that they didn't actually discuss the radiological results from the films.

>>33944244
Read Honor Harrington. They essentially use Casaba Howitzers, but much more advanced. The series is an awesome read for space tactics as well.

>>33937093
> launcher could be within the kill radius of itself.

Please fuck off with that misinformation.

>>33942977

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>>33946402
Those guys got all sorts of fucked up from those tests.

>>33946402
No one will ever know the whole truth. Much of it was hidden by the
Atomic Energy Commission and other government agencies. Much of it
depends on statistics which depend on scanty, inaccurate, or falsified
information. Much of it depends on the work of attorneys and the
decisions of judges. Much of it has been distorted by hysteria, rumor,
grief and wild fears. Much of it depends on an imperceptible link
between a case of cancer and an explosion that happened hundreds of
miles away and ten or twenty or forty years in the past.

>>33941682
>Literally how nuclear power plants work

Could probably be on the same level of destruction as well

>>33949268
>Literally how nuclear power plants work

You aren't supposed to let the reaction reach critical mass in a nuclear power plant.

>>33949282
Tell that to the Japs and Ruskies

>>33949295
That wasn't critical mass, that was just exceeding the strength of the pressure vessel.

It's the difference between a water boiler exploding and a Hellfire missile exploding.

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>>33949307
We should let more reactions reach critical mass

>>33949307
>>33949282
It's not really a matter of critical mass, as the fallout from the resulting meltdown would be enough on its own (although a critical mass failure would be sick)

>>33941704
>/diy/ goes to war

>>33942977
LOTS and LOTS of SLAVS!

>>33942953
>Get one of those uninhabited Chinese cities that they built for some damned reason
>Clean it up
>This is why nukes are bad kiddos
>UNTest.webm
>BOOM

>>33941584
Its called the Red Planet for a reason

>>33942874
Limited nuclear exchange between Pakistan and India, anyone?

>>33942953
I've unironically advocated for a new nuke detonation where there's millions of cameras and footage in the public domain that directors and video game developers can use.

>>33941249
i wonder if they gave any to the north Koreans

>>33939139
>>33939164

Eeermn.

I don't speak moonrunes, can anybody care to translate?

>>33949329
>>33949366
"Critical mass" just means that it's working. I think you mean "supercritical", which is basically the same as an uncontrolled and runaway reaction to which you can a) start running or b) pray you have a large enough dunk tank handy.

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>>33938320
It was specifically designed to work around the 15th parallel north in the early 70s.

Why would someone need to illuminate nighttime war zones around there?

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>>33942849
Okay, this video is just full of awesome
>Horseback hazmat suit cavalry shooting
>mass desert charge
>CAVALRY SABERS
The only thing that makes it better is a fitting song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgl2gBmSio4

>>33942977
I need one. Can I have one?

>>33941225
Come on and SLAM

>>33936911
There's one thing I heard from an old friend of mine, was in US army oper8ing patriot missiles on the home front during the Cold War
>be innamilitary
>stuck in concrete bunker
>vacuum tube computers and radar screens the size of your chest
>it's hot and boring as fuck, decent ac tho
>CO tells us we're running a preparation and targeting drill in two days
>fuck
>hatch plans with ID operator and launch operator
>drill day
>plane carrying dummies to shoot enters radar range
>we're not missing shit today
>lock the plane
>drops one drone, lock immediately of off carrying aircraft and launch
>pilot freaking the fuck out
>"I'm not dropping shit until you get those fucking missiles unlocked on me"
>keeps dropping them anyways
>keep launching, basically playing with death
>almost cost the american taxpayer a few million and a letter + home visit a few times
>CO gets yelled at for us being fuckwits
>CO yells at us
>get article 15, but nothing happens

>92% hit rate bitch

>>33951285
Those aren't moonrunes, it's Russian.
Moonrunes are the Japanese scripts, so named because Japanese primetime is when the US and Western EU are asleep.

>>33944348
if you find yourself needing a few
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-world-war-2-Lazy-Dogs-/112406340159

>>33945238
Thats ice. It was in a previous thread im sure you can find it though the info is put there but seriously its ice.

>>33944020
nigga thats China

>>33941685
If you close enough to observe it, it's too fucking late

>>33942849
Perhaps he is wondering why you would nuke a man before cutting him with a saber

>>33949282
>>Literally how nuclear power plants work

>You aren't supposed to let the reaction reach critical mass in a nuclear power plant.

Um... Yes, yes you are. The word "critical" means "self sustaining chain reaction." It doesn't mean "Fuck Pripyat/Fukushima/etc." It means "on."

>>33956003
no. "critical" means a chain reaction with a net gain of power. that is universally bad.

>>33956047
Technically correct, yes.
"Universally bad" - incorrect.

It's only bad when you can no longer contain the reaction in a controlled manner. >>33951460

It's like fire. Wood on fire is good, can be controlled and used to cook with. Woods on fire is usually uncontrolled and a fucking disaster.

>>33953724
All sorts of inaccuracies in this one post.

Check your facts

>>33945483
Why don't we just drop exploding Muslims on each other instead? It would be extremely cost effective.

>>33956184
If we drop the exploding muslems?.. who are we dropping them on

>>33956310
North Korea

Or more exploding Muslims. That would be great to see the chain reaction.

>>33942953
>Point is I wanna see boom.
Me too. There's just something about it that's so alluring.

>>33956325
But we'd run out.

CIA would have to make more

>>33956471
I don't think they mind training a few more disposable desert people.

>>33941913
the more funny part is that in the korean war they bombed an US airbase with two of those, destroying a sabre and heavily damaging a few more

>>33947874
Speaking of Honorverse. Which book should I start with if I plan to read through all of them?

>>33945271
>Unvaporized bits of the bomb shell maybe?
no such thing

>>33941249
>(sounds fucking sick)
Means capacitor. I think.

>>33958308
it does, in german at least.