Iran Iraq War Thread

>>33920558
* it ain't me *

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>>33920558

I have nothing to contribute, but this topic interests me.

Could you dump some pics from your folder?

>>33920992
That's from the Gulf War, not the Iran-Iraq War.

>>33920992
sas?

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bump for interest. WWI tactics in the 80's, crazy shit.

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>>33921369
why did they put the cars in the ground? pls explain?

>>33921069
i said that i had nothing to contribute, just posted something for visibility.

>>33921304
SAS-operators in iraq 1991, have no other info though.

>>33921450
Apparently it was to prevent planes from landing. I think pic is from a memorial. I never understood why they didnt just park the cars but actually up ended them like that. If they were worried about easy removal just melt the tires and turn them upside down or something.

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Iranian here. We are one of the remaining countries without a Jewish central-bank. We want peace; but we will fight to the death if provoked by the Jewish Monsters. Please help us fight the serpents. > <3

>>33921675
Can't be mad at that.

>>33920558
>electrified swamps
>child soldiers used to clear mine fields
>human wave attacks post WW1
>chemical warfare
Absolute nightmare

>>33921675
>>/pol/

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>>33921675
>we hate jews
all though am 100% holocaust denier and would kill a jew if i had to, still i did rather trust a jew over a persian, i mean after what you did to your king, nigga i wont even shake hands.

>>33921712
Indeed, I came here wanting to know more.

>>33921748
>still i did rather trust a jew over a persian
nice try, goldbergstein.

>>33921748

I'd rather trust a Muslim because they're dumb and lack the natural ability of a Jew to lie

>>33921880
>t. never served in the Middle East
my boi, you've much to learn about the desert

>>33921904
>thinks iran is vast desert

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>>33921748
the fuck you on about, schlomo. usa is run by jews and saudis. take your head out of your ass and check your privileges.

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>>33921904
lol too true. But you realize most of these people have never met a jew or muslim. let alone been to the middle east.

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>>33922224
In case anyone is curious about the camo

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>>33921712
The most incredible part of the electrified swamp thing is not even that that the Iraqis had the effort to bring in a fucking huge generator to the area, but the fact that they then started to collect the now rigid body of Iranians electrocuted to build improvised bridges, so their trucks could pass through the swamp.

>>33920558
Twenty-eight countries were supplying Iran with military equipment manufactured in their own arsenals:North Korea,South Korea,Taiwan,People's Republic of China(PRC),Japan.Pakistan,India,Israel,United States,USSR,Poland,Czechoslovakia,East Germany,Romania,United Kingdom,France,West Germany,Italy,Switzerland,Sweden,Netherlands,Greece,Belgium,Spain,Portugal,Brazil,Argentina,Chile Five more - Syria, Libya, Ethiopia, Singapore and Vietnam - made significant transfers to Iran of weapons they had purchased elsewhere,

>>33921675
You guys have have very similar genetics to western europe, and also have a language which is believed to come from Indo-european- the same language most romantic and germanic languages come from. Do you consider yourself closer to white or closer to arab? What do you persians think of yourselves?

Also, it was a very costly war for your new republic like almost everyone knew someone who died (Saddam attacked pretty shortly after you guys revolted right?) do you have any stories from the older generations? Give us anecdotes and shit!

>>33922754
and most if not all of these countries also supplied iraq

>>33921675
also, American here. What was the propaganda like on your side about the nuclear arms deal/John Kerry/all that? It was half & half in favor against here.

>>33922309
thats brutal

>>33922309

Sounds like complete bullshit.

>>33920558

Was stationed in the Basra province right up on the Iranian border during OIF. There was tons of sharpnel and scrapped vehicles, bombs sticking out of the ground and minefields everywhere. A cow stepped on one and was getting butchered on the side of the road as we rolled by. I saw a boot with a skeleton foot in it, and a leg bone sticking out of the ground nearby. I remember seeing an abandoned home near a minefield, and seeing a little tiny kids footprint on a rusty mine that failed to go off. I wish I had gotten a picture of it. Lots of shit like that.

>>33922918
>http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/1990-08-15/news/9008150408_1_saddam-hussein-iraqi-president-saddam-majnoon
>They made their way through the marshes, gathering up the dead Iranian soldiers like dynamite fishermen harvesting a day's catch. Working methodically, the Iraqis piled the corpses on top of one another in the water in head-to-toe stacks, five bodies high and five across.
>Together, the human piles formed long rows, the width of a troop truck, the top layers above the water's surface. Each row extended in a straight line through the marshes from the Iraqis' positions toward the Iranian border. Finally, the rows were sprinkled with lime and covered over with a foot-thick tier of desert sand.

You bet.

>>33922965
Arabs are well known for exaggerating or straight up making shit up

There probably was bodies floating around, or a few piled up, but not trenches built from the corpses of human remains

>>33922965
Read the article, it was written by late Mark Fineman, foreign correspondent of the Los Angeles Times. They didn't tell him that, they SHOWN him the building of the body bridges.

>>33923052
was meant to >>33923000

>>33923052
>zero pictures

He wrote it and exaggerated it because it would sell

You genuinely believe the Iraqi's built bridges of dead bodies through fucking marshland and had trucks drive across them?

>>33923066
Fair point. But I still somehow believe it.

>>33923052

>(((Fineman)))

Because Jewish newsmen are always pure conduits of the truth.

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>>33921675
Can you provide proofs that you're Iranian?
>>33920558
Alright let's do this.

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Also the shit I've posted so far is of the Iranians. The Iraqis tended not to go with full beards but did rock mustaches pretty hard. Plus they had slightly better equipment/uniform standardization.

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Did the Iraqis have Yugo/Serbian pattern AKs back then?

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>>33924667
They had a mix of stuff. Both sides used a hodgepodge of AKs from wherever they could get them. Here's an East German MPi in Iranian service.

>>33924732

That's either an anti-tank ditch or fucking mudslimes know nothing of field fortifications.

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>>33924753
Might've been an anti-tank ditch. Have some footage of Iranians fending off T-72s. Also apparently they were terrible fuckign shots.
https://youtu.be/Jmo04Nw5Vdg
>>33924757

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>>33924777

>>33922263
WITNESS US

>>33920558
My brother was in Iraq for a few summers doing research. One summer a couple of his students took him to climb a mountain near the Iranian border. Only once they were near the top did they decide to tell him the mountain was mined from the Iran-Iraq war and to be careful. He took a bunch of pictures of old Iraqi emplacements, Iranian rockets, etc. Wish I had some of the pictures.

And yeah Iraqis and the like are total idiots with no regard for their safety. Brother told me how they all believe that "Allah will protect me" and just don't give a shit.

>>33921675
>We're a poor, dysotopic, religious fundamentalist shithole.
>It's the JOOOOOOS.
>Country has no Jews.
>THE JOOOOOOOOOS!

>>33924777
>Also apparently they were terrible fuckign shots.
War. War Never Changes.

>>33924824
There's an Iranian Jew population.

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Iranian tanks.

>>33924777
>mudshit accuracy
somethings never change

>>33921748
I'm sunni but fuck you mean what they did on the King? Western (Britbongs) deposed their PM due to oil which led to Khomeni's rise.

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>>33924879
>I'm sunni

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>>33924777

I suppose it could also be a natural or semi-natural ravine. I've never really seen any good photographic overviews of field fortifications during the war but the trenches often seem to lack even basic traverse structure.

That's actually quite some footage, but holy shit does it make both sides look incompetent.

The thing people need to realize when they say things like "my God it was WWI in the 80s!!" is that trench warfare is actually fucking inevitable anymore even with all our technological wonders if both sides are unable or unwilling to keep up their strategic mobility. Look at any post-WWII conventional conflict of any scale and you will see that the overwhelming majority of them involve at least a partial but substantial phase of positional-warfare trench slogging. This applies even to contemporary conflicts in the Ukraine, Syria, etc. This has been the case since around the time of the ACW and Crimean War and will continue to be the case into the future, especially with global instability and stagnant technological progression.

>>33924867
>8,756
>80 million Iranians.
>0.0001%
OK.

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Iranian infantry in urban combat.

>>33924906
To me, "modern" Warfare just means "takes place in urban environments". My conception of pre-WW1 war is combat in fields and rural areas where you need to create cover rather than cities and towns where you just fight amongst the civilian buildings.

>>33924916
Still counts!

>>33924824
iran has more jews in middle-east right after israel, fuck-o!

>>33921880
>>33921904
Afghans are said to be masters of deception, like when McCain went to the middle east and ended up in a photo with some ISIS guys.

When the Americans are around you see what they want you to see.

>>33922334
Damn I always wondered where those leather mag pouches came from. You see them in pictures all decorated with bling.

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>>33924941

Not localized to pre-WWI at all. Do you know how barren the central Russian plain is? The Kursk Salient had trench systems so extensive they could wrap to London and back. I'm not saying the presence of trenches and earthworks constitutes trench warfare, because obviously the Germans mounted a very mobile offensive operation and the Russians a very mobile counter-offensive. What I'm saying is that combat is going to always happen in these environments, the overwhelming majority of earth is not urban. And since it will always happen in these environments, soldiers will always dig in when not on the move. And if they no longer have their mobility, or never had any mobility, but still have plenty of small arms and artillery...

You also have situations like in the Korean War, where UN forces were no longer allowed to push further north due to politics at a certain point. So now you're sitting on some Godforsaken hill in an artificial stalemate with a billion screaming Chinamen on the other Godforsaken hill half a kilometer away, and you're not going anywhere.

>>33925098
anyone have an idea what that jazz on their helmets say?

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>>33925121
No idea, I have no understanding of Persian. Probably something religious.
>>33925125

>>33921460
That's one uncomfortable troop. Wearing an M17 is nasty enough in a twelve hour exercise.

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I have this.
>>33922163
>Jewish home base is in Quebec
It all makes sense now...

>>33921748
Pahlevi was so incompetent he finally managed to get "fired" by revolution. He didn't have the balls or decisiveness of a leader. He really was America's fault.

Burgers overthrew Mossadeq for British oil. They install Shah, who paves the way for Islamic revolt by cracking down on all non-religious political expression thus ensuring ONLY Islamists would survive as a vehicle for popular dissent.

https://www.cia.gov/library/center-for-the-study-of-intelligence/csi-publications/csi-studies/studies/vol48no2/article10.html

>>33924916
Most of the Iranian/Persian jewish Diaspora lives in the U.S. and Europe, but it still exists in decent numbers. I suggest you google "Cyrus the great" to understand why.

>>33924916
>jews control the largest banks on earth

Thread theme

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fsvv3QmdzIE

>>33925305
Wow, they're actually aiming!?

>>33925328
Wow, you don't see heroism like that anymore in modern middle eastern conflicts. Many terror groups and rebels just leave their partners for dead while yelling "allahu akabar". Nice photo.

>>33925430
bro that was a bloody war. the western media really silenced it. i remember learning nothing about until my mid-forties.

>>33925146
Holy shit, this picture was in my middle school history book. Good memories.

>>33923066
Truth is often stranger than fiction

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Much as I'd love to stay up and do this all night, I need to get up early tomorrow so I'm turning in. Will try and post more tomorrow.

>>33923000
Tell me which country that didn't make up shit to make them look strong?

>>33924933
Is that an MG42??? I suppose it could be an MG3 but my MG knowledge isn't what it used to be.

>>33922965
>drive truck across bodies
>they compress and squish and generally do dead body stuff
>truck stuck TRUCK STUCK

Worst thing I've ever done was ask a Iranian taxi driver while I was drunk if he was in Iran during the 80s to which he gave me this 1000 yard stare and said yes and drunk me knew to shut the fuck up.

>>33921675
If Iran would Eugenics itself so your lighter upper classes would outbreed the masses of Arab and Turkic unwashed massed you'd be welcome.

>>33924941
Then you're a moron

>>33925475
These dudes are NOT happy to be there. You can tell they know that if they're being sent to the front that it means the situation is desperate, and you can see it in their faces. They have that "who the fucks going to feed my children if i die?" look.

>>33925448
>vertical and straight trenches
WEW

>>33924824
>poor
Have you ever been there?
They are living fine.

>>33924933

Ah my personal favorite, the tactical reach around

>>33921748
t:David Americanstein

>>33927327
Ain't no unseeing that.

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>>33926496
sad

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>When our crazy old spec forces guy gives us some story time
>Sheeeit

>>33925121
Did a bit of googling, and came up with this:
https://www.ar15.com/forums/t_7_170/1605253_.html&page=1

and this:
http://mecollectibles.com/en/166-headbands

They seem to be generally a dedication to a Shi'a martyr, I guess kinda like Catholics carrying medallions of saints as some sort of voodoo protection.

Most seem to be invoking this guy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Husayn_ibn_Ali

Although I saw one example from the Syrian war which was invoking his daughter: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukayna_bint_Husayn

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And I'm back. Going to make a few quick distinctions here
>Pasdaran
Another name for Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps, usually their infantry. The IRGC grew to prominence during the war for supplying a lot of the manpower when the army was deficient. Religious/political military unit, still active today.
>Basij
Militia/volunteers that fall under the IRGC. Lots of these guys were used as cannon fodder during the war.

Typical Iranian assault in the mid war period would look something like this
>Send in Basij first in human wave attacks. Can be used to soak up Iraqi ammo and clear minefields with their bodies
>Occasionally included children in those wave attacks
>Followed up by Pasdaran to try and make a breach
>if a breach was made, regular Artesh (Iranian regular army) would attempt to exploit the breach and push into the Iraqi rear
Usually these succeeded in making at least a breach, at which point the Iraqis would scramble various assets to plug the hole in their lines. Ranging from artillery, airstrikes, and chemical weapons. Hence why you see a lot of Iranians wearing NBC gear.

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Also, when you see these blue uniforms they're more than likely Pasdaran. Don't know why they went with blue.

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Still don't know why they thought blue was a good idea.

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Some pics of the Basij.

>>33922965
I believe you, but not the propaganda article. Have another source?

>>33926706
My mom says i'm a smart boy

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Pretty sure these guys are Iranian regulars. Sometimes I have difficulty telling IRGC and Artesh apart since outside of the blue uniforms the IRGC kit looks very similar.

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>>33928558
Because blue is the trench warfare color of choice

>>33928680

Historically, blue was chosen for being cheap to produce.

The same reason that a farm's barn is predominately red in the US.

>>33928697
and looks good when going over the top

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>>33928703
Doesn't do a whole lot of good when you're getting shot at though.

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Such is war.

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Also, apparently Iran let their womanfolk fight.

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Also going to post some IRIAF

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Now for some Iraqis.

>>33924916
/Thread

>>33928772
The war had some crazy aerial engagements. If only they had camcorders back then!

>>33928880
Got any Iraqi MIG25s? I recall they were the only ones who had significant success.

>>33928976
Unfortunately no. Most of what I got came from militaryphotos before they got shut down. Real pissed that they're gone since I used to update my pic folders with their stuff all the time. Now it's back to trawling through old forums and non-English websites (not just for this conflict, there's a lot of shit out there).

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>>33928994
Incredibly, Alamy have a good number of somehow rare photos of Iraqi soldiers during the conflict. Of course is a pain that you cant save them without the watermark and stuff, but it would otherwise be impossible to find those same photos somewhere else, I think.

>>33928994
defense.pk had a good thread on it a few years back, but I think a lot of the images don't load anymore :(

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Going to finish up with some more Iraqis.

Are there any good books on this topic that you guys can recommend?

>>33922965

oy vey neva forget

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Some Sudanese volunteers on the Iraqi side.

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With Iranian prisoners.

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Some Republican Guard stuff.

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Guess Who?

>>33920558
Kinda weird to think that there's a war that happened only 30 years ago, where over a million people died, and almost nobody in the west knows about it.

>>33922309
Bodies aren't sandbags and wouldn't do for a corduroy road through swamp, nor is rigor mortis sufficient to change that reality. Carcasses are sloshy things which decompose rapidly, especially in desert heat.

It's not acceptable for modern humans to be ignorant of how things work in the physical world, or to be ignorant of war yet have strong opinions about it.

>>33923066
>You genuinely believe the Iraqi's built bridges of dead bodies through fucking marshland and had trucks drive across them?

Since they've never driven a military vehicle through mud, let alone over corpses, they believe. They really WANT to believe because their shitty little lives will never get better and the idea of war is dramatic and exciting and fantasy is delicious. War is just like anime. Everything is just like anime.

>Please, Cthulhu, take me into the magic pictures!

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>>33931982
Largely overshadowed by the ensuing Gulf War and the other happenings in the world. No one really cares when the Middle Eastern Nations decided to duke it out en masse. Well, maybe nowadays they'll get a popup in their news feed and some talking head will say some bs, but that's about it. There was some insane crazy shit that went down in this war, but generally its only the participants that continue to hold on to those memories.

>>33932034
That's the thing though, ask people why we went into the first Gulf War, and they may know, oh because Iraq invaded Kuwait. Well, why did Iraq invade Kuwait? Cause they're meanies? No, they were in massive debt from a ten year war and needed monies. And without the first Gulf War our modern situation in the ME would be drastically different. The Iran/Iraq war a direct (not the only of course, but a large) cause of our entire current geopolitical situation.

>>33925082
65% of the worlds people live in urban areas though. Urban fighting is going to become more prevalent as time goes on

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>>33931808
>>33931884
These are some really fucking rare early export T-72 models. Folding side skirts, coincidence range finders, no smoke grenade launchers on the turret front which implies these are 1975 models or atleast very early T-72M models.

>>33921880
>what is taqqiyya

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We need more videos in this thread
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuaxYPKvXQ0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5Vk0aInzBM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bqxb7fa6Uk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nN_sZMzR41w

>>33921748
>i mean after what you did to your king
You mean the king installed by the CIA after deposing the democratically elected prime minister over oil?

>>33932496
That's a shia thing

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GE8b_3yvoKc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bacinj28cKo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aN7Spo6l2TM

>>33931205
Sick combat slippers

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This was a crazy little war

>>33928726
That jeep looks so happy

>>33924824
I think he's onto something

>>33921748
>Holocaust denier
It must be hard being that stupid.

>>33931982
it'l be the same with the syrian civil war. in 20 years everyone will completely forget about it.

One last bump.

>>33928851
That's a neat pic!

That's either a stupid question or your an idiot

>>33924785
this is clearly a T-55

>>33931946
How did the Republican Gaurd fare in the war? I'd imagine well considering how much they got played up by the media in the Gulf War

>>33932999
>America helping both sides
>China as well
>North Korea helping the side that the rest of the commies (besides china) aren't
>greatest ally helping Iran

>>33938535

>Iranian Kurdistan helping Iraq and Iraqui Kurdistan helping Iran

>>33921450

anti tank ?

>>33938476
They were used mainly as strategic reserve, launching counter attacks and coming for the rescue whenever the Iranians launched some offensive or achieved a breach in some point of the frontlines. They are also used to good effect as spearhead in the majority of the Iraq offensives, after the initial years of the war, the second battle of al Faw being a example.

Their conventional way of attacking would be simply to shock the enemy first with heavy artillery barrage or chemical weapons, and then exploit it by overwhelming the enemy with numbers.

To sum up: nothing really out of the ordinary, they are just a little better than the conventional forces, and that is really not that much.

>>33925640
they're practically the same thing except for caliber and rate of fire

>>33932999
i would say its crazy that iraq didnt win with all that help....but ive worked with the iraqi army and fully understand what happened.

I did know an iraqi colonel that was a 2nd LT in 1988. couldnt get him to give me specific stories, i dont think he saw combat but he was a BMP PLT leader.

>>33922936
That is fucking spooky

>>33934907
Probably not
Ignorance is bliss and he probably just stays in his safe space

>>33938889
The Iraqis weren't that much better in terms of command than the Iranians. Saddam may have held his country together under his rule, but he ran a shitshow in the war. Granted if one wanted a better chance of surviving you're definitely better off being an Iraqi rather than an Iranian.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jmo04Nw5Vdg I don't think i saw thsi in this thread, it needs to be posted.

>>33941729
>>33924777
Right there nigger.

>>33941771
Oh alright cool i was about to say. Be cool to get more footage.

>>33924871
What's the IFV looking vehicle called?

>>33941927
I believe those are scorpion tanks.