Fudd rifle

>>33920216
go to another state and check the used gun rack at cabelas

>>33920216
Check the used rack at any gunshop
God you are stupid I hope you get kicked out of every gun shop you find.

>>33920247
Why would they kick me out? I've been to three gun shops and none of them sell used guns. They looked at me weird and said "nobody really buys used guns anymore". I felt like a retard

>>33920281
Because it's illegal to sell guns to people who lack the mental capacity to safely operate one.

>>33920247
>>33920247
Why would they kick me out? I've been to three gun shops and none of them sell used guns. They looked at me weird and said "nobody really buys used guns anymore". I felt like a retard

>>33920216
>that comes with irons

bolt guns don't come with irons standard anymore unless it's milsurp, you're gonna have to have a gunsmith install some.

If you're fine with milsurp, literally any bolt-action will do.

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>>33920281
>nobody really buys used guns anymore
Bullshit.

>>33920326
Some do, like CZs.

There's also the Henry Long Ranger, though that's a lever-action rifle.

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>>33920216
Tikka T3x Arctic

Mossberg MVP rifles. .223, .308 and I think 6.5.
The. 308 is nice

>>33921129
I've heard extremely mixed reviews of the MVP.

>>33920959
Those things are tits but they're expensive as fuck I recall, aren't they over $2000?

>>33920216

I recommend being flexible on caliber (look at rifles in .30-06) and then go on armslist etc. Old FN Mausers, Remington 700s, a wide variety of milsurp etc.

>>33921249
I've enjoyed mine so far. One issue only, bolt knob is a bit small and close to the receiver for me. Tempted to extend it

>>33920216
Cz 550 fs

ruger scout?

>>33920216

Ruger gunsight scout. 308, 16" barrel, irons.

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in a sexy Mannlicher stock

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>>33920216
>Check the used gun rack at Cabela's

Lmfao you're not missing anything.

>>33921681
I almost bought one, it felt so cheap. Glad I got a Remington instead.

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>>33920216
Definately recommend an Israeli Mauser, theyre really high quality conversions if you can find one that isnt rotted out.

>>33921519
>16"
>.308
18" pls

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>>33921711
>"Norinko" SKS
>$850

>>33921802
The fuck are you on about lad ? Those things are built like a brick shithouse

>t. Someone who fell down a mountain and avoided death because of one

>>33920216
>>33920216

Try a pawn shop. Just spend a couple of bucks on a bore light so you can make sure the rifling isn't a rusted mess.

Anything Remington or Winchester made will be decent to very good.

I'm pretty sure you are full of shit because I have never seen a gun store that did not sell used guns.

>>33922358
While the stock was pretty, the varnish/coating on the wood felt like CHEAP polyurethane; the trigger felt chinsy and had a lot of takeup; the finish was decent, but was not even and there were discolorations.

It felt like a $600 rifle.

>>33922358
alright c'mon tell the story.

>>33921711
>killyourselfmyman.jpg

Cabela's is almost always pants on head retarded with used gun (especially milsurp) prices, but I've seen a fee deals...but that's been over a few years of looking once every month or so.

>>33922389

I should add if buying milsurp or milconversions buy a bore gauge because the craftmanship on conversions is crap and .308 chambered milsurp may have a shot out bore

>>33921829
I NEVER see one of those things, either online or in person.

I'd buy one in a heartbeat if I could.

>>33921900
pretty sure they make an 18" gsr

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>>33920216
Gunsite Scout

>>33920903
>pic
came here to post this.

I was going to buy a new ruger american as my first hunting rifle. Thoughts? Not trying to spend much just want it to be accurate

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>>33922420
They're pretty nifty, there's a rustic and interestingly thrifty appeal about an old surplus Mauser being rebored for 7.62mm NATO because your army desperately needs anything they can get.

>>33922556
It'd be cheaper than a Ruger Scout I think, those go for above $1000 I'm pretty sure, while the Henry lies at, or below that. It's also remarkably accurate.

Of course, capacity is only 4+1rds.

>>33922581
The Ruger American is pretty good, ticks all the boxes for a utilitarian boltgun in .308/.270/etc, attractive pricing without feeling TOO cheap.
(if you don't like the plastic stock, you could look at a Boyd hardwood stock later some day, looks pretty slick).

>>33922411
I collect antique Winchester leverguns.

I LOVE their pricing scheme. Everything's based around "NRA fair" Blue Book value (which is always lower than the Red Book WACA puts out, which is actually researched extensively and closer to market value), regardless of whether it's a rusted, finish-less basic bitch round barrel full mag with a split stock or whether it's a pristine, half-round half-octagonal button-mag special order rifle.

I've made probably close to $70,000 just off Cabela's laziness on pricing on 1892's alone over the course of ~12 years.

>>33922581
Trigger is better than average for a production boltgun. 3-lug bolt/~60* bolt throw is nice. Extractor is better-than-Remshit but overall meh compared to Tikka/Howa. Stock is fucking junk, but then again EVERYBODY's factory synthetic stocks are junk (including Tikka). Accuracy is good, sub-1" 3-shot groups at 100yd most of the time. Enormous bolt body gets kinda annoying and adds unnecessary weight.

I would personally prefer a Howa unless the low bolt throw matters a lot to you.

>>33920216
Asking Gun Grampa is always the right answer, anon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgeNtkszYbw

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>>33922393
Not to be rude but was this rifle new, used, or anywhere between? Because mine was nothing like that.
>>33922409
I'll find a few relevant threads and spread them.
Here's the rifle post mountain btw

>>33921802
Remington are cheap as shit though, with soldered on bolt handles and janky, unsafe safeties.

>>33927666
>Nope, stop looking at bargin bin models they sell at Dicks and go look at a proper 700 CDL. Not a 700 SPS or hell even a model 7.

Top of the line Remingtons are the best modern production USA made rifles.

>>33925878
The rifle was used, but not like it was used hard, they still wanted $700. I am not saying it was indicative of the CZ line, but if it was, they are garbage.

>>33927666
Also nice trips.

Ill post close up pics of the bolt, finish, safety, etc of my rifle for you. Just tell me what you want close ups of and I'll show you what Remington quality actually is.

>>33928234
Yeah man I think you either got an outlier or someone fucked about with it. Cz handguns get a bad rap but their rifles and shotguns are quite well known for quality

>>33928308
Sure and I'll give you that, but saying Remington is shit; is as equally ignorant. I hate freedom group as much as any sane person, but Remington is still doing fine. Hell their subsidiary DPMS is now making the best AR-10s on the market.

>>33925878
Can you single load that?

>>33920216
NJ?

>>33920216
If you dont mind something without wood furniture, you could just pick up a savage new. They go for anywhere from 250-800 and theyre pretty reliable as far as Ive had experience with.

>>33928321
My only anecdotal experience with Remington was shopping online for a new Mossberg barrel, accidentally the part number, ordered a Remington barrel. It came to me with rust on the barrel, red powdery rust all up and down the length of the barrel. And the finish on new Remington shotguns also feels awful.

>>33928395
That is not standard. Go handle a few at your LGS next time you are there. Yes, you need to oil a blued gun after handling it. If you don't it's your own fault if it rusts.

>>33928321
Never said remington is shit desu, but compared to cz there's truth to it
>>33928330
It has a massive claw extractor so no. Not made for target shooting man

>>33928707
Wrong.

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>>33928755
Which one ? Specifics, jüden

>>33928794
That CZ is higher quality than Remington. It's simply incorrect.

>>33928847
I've owned both, the cz was nicer my man. Bluing, stock, even accuracy

>>33921249
2700 maplebux

>>33928901
Wrong again, but nice try.

>>33929029
Are... are you mentally challenged ? At least put forth some examples, sources, or even thought process

>>33929090
I already did, I cited my anecodatal evidence and you cited yours; but some how yours is more valid than mine.

It's not my fault you are in denial. Slav fags are subhumans.

>>33928847
CZs may have rough finishes or machining on the insides, but they never have things like bolt handles breaking or safeties making the gun discharge.

>>33929120
And no good Remington has ever done that. Once again, discount models are irrelevant.

>>33921681
Have it in 30-06, and it gives me such a raging clue just looking at it

>>33929120
a $750 CZ gun is the equivalent of a $1200 USA made gun because of labor costs. You cant compare a $750 CZ gun to a $750 USA gun because the USA made gun has to cut on materials and QC to make that price.

>>33928847
Remington is trash now. Scope holes drilled off center, barrels screwed on off center, the R51, compare a 1990s 870 with a new 870. It's trash off the shelf now. The only thing keeping it going is it's name, and you must realize, that its changed owners quiet a few times, its unfair to compare remingtons of back in the day with czs of today, and vice versa, but currently, I would rather buy milsurp than remington. And Cz's are nice.

>>33929186
Then you are ignorant. Modern Remingtons are good as long as you stay away from their poorfag lines.

>>33929193
Remington IS a poorfag line

>>33929193
No, they're fucking not.

These things are happening on their CDL's, Wingmasters, Police lines, Senderos, etc. Their premium models.

>>33929193
The only Remingtons worth buying:

>700 CDL, BDL, XCR, Sendero, VLS, Tactical Chassis

>>33929215
Citation.
>All non express 870s
>V3s, model 1100s

>>33929235
But theres always something exponentially better, for marginally more money. So why bother.

>>33929211
If you buy their good lines, they are absolutely fine, and the best USA made guns. They demolish CZ, if you want to compare them to a euro brand its Sako.

>>33929252
Because I would prefer to give my money to American labor, and let every man woman and child in Europe starve to death.

>>33929261
damn.
you're a cold blooded motherfugger

>>33929252
I'm a gunsmith. not a fucking dvd special faggot brownells fucking fag shit. I have a full machine shop. Do you know how many rugers and savages I have to work on? fucking none. But I have worked over so many remingtons they make me sick to look at. 80% of the time, I take the barrel off, recut barrel and reciever threads, so that the shoulder CAN be trued to the receiver. 20% the scope holes are off, making the rifle unshootable past the zeroing distance. "at 300yards my scope is cranked all the way left". I live in a huge hunting area. Everyone who has a remington has work done to it. I'm sorry guys, its the design of the rifle. Remington COULD be good, if they kept up there QOC. It's literally the design of the rifle. Ruger and Savage figured it out, lock nut, if you thread correctly, all other dimensions are irrelevant to accuracy, and the lock nut demands concentricity by its nature. Fuck people, if they cant keep their bolt handles on, they probably cant internally and externally thread within 1/1000 of an inch?

Savage hog hunter. Cheap, accurate, threaded, iron sights. Best bang for your buck rifle. Fit and finish are lacking but a little work on your end and they work really well.

>>33929347
Prove it.

I have never had an issue with a Remington, and I have had several over the years. Ruger is shit, I have an M77 as well. Oh, and I have a winchester 70 too. Oh, and a savage.

I will give you the savage has a nicer trigger, but for the overall package the Remingtons have all been better.

Remington > Ruger > Winchester
>>> Savage

>>33929181
Yeah, Savage and Ruger only makes trash, how can they compare to Rustington and their brazed bolt-handles?

>>33929193
>Buy Police 870
>ejector breaks off like a saltine cracker when cycled
Sheeeeiiiit

>poorfag line
Is that why the R51 and RP9 are jamtastic topheavy abominations that barely works for shit, and a basic bitch 100% economy oriented Hi-Point C9 runs fucking circles around it, despite being straight blowback, with like half it's mass is cast Zinc alloy? Pretty fucking embarrassing of Remington to not be able to compete with those.

>>33929261
There's plenty of actually good gunmakers in America, Remington is hardly one of them.

>>33929459 It's possible to get good ones. I'm just saying, in the last 5 years, 700's and 870s have crashed. How would I prove it? I'll just show you my log books. Do some research on bolt gun designs, you will begin to understand.

Oh yeah, and most remington triggers end up in the trash.

>>33929459
>I have never had an issue with a Remington
When is yours made? How old are you?

>>33929518
thank you

>>33929347
>I'm a gunsmith.
>I have a full machine shop.
>Do you know how many rugers and savages I have to work on? fucking none.
Really? You never get people wanting a threaded muzzle or something?
I don't think the Ruger American or Savage Axis come with those out of the box.

>>33929577
I was gunna say that. But I assumed you guys would assume I thread every motherfucking barrel that comes in. It's easy money. And yeah some of the ruger and savage models do come threaded.

>>33929600
And I'm not promoting ruger or savage. I like Mauser 98s personally.

>>33929519
Most triggers go in the trash. If you dont upgrade to something like a Timney it's because you've never felt one.

Post your log book faggot.

>>33929523
My last one was 2007, my current one is 2015.

>>33929518
Savage and Ruger rifles are shit compared to Remington.
>brazed bolt handles
which arent a problem. What, are you taking an oxy cutter to your action?

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>fudd rifles
you mean best rifles. Look at my wood and tell me it doesnt give you wood too.
Guess the models + scopes in order.

>>33929687
My point about the triggers in the trash is that I at least keep other triggers in a box somewhere. I'm never posting my log books, that was sarcastic. If you don't want to believe me, fine. rugers and savages feel rougher, and feel worse, they arguably feel like shit. But they shoot well.

>>33929753
Exactly, they feel like shit. Guess what? A weatherby shoots great too, I still don't want one unless it's a custom model.

There should be no modern production bolt action rifles that shoot worse than an MOA.

>>33929101
>Slavs are subhumans

Oh I get it, you're just an autist, gotcha

>>33929137
>no true Scotsman fallacy
>>33929181
Cz is literally on par with or better than similarly priced US rifles

>t.-person who owns a $500 cz that shoots the same groupings as a $1000 savage

>>33929799
exactly i just said that. Of course they are on par with similarly priced US models. CZ labor is far cheaper than US labor. You MUST compare the CZ to a higher priced US gun for a true equivalency. Oh and its not a scotsman fallacy. Obviously discount remingtons have worse QC and materials. Why do you think they are cheaper? Magic? They arent as good you fucking fool. US labor costs 30% more than labor in eastern europe.

>>33929613
Fair enough.

>>33929687
>My last one was 2007, my current one is 2015.
Most would say that Remington was still good in 2007

>>33929766
I'm confused, your not seeing my point maybe? I'm saying what matter is performance, not "how it feels". Unless of course your a slackjawed faggot, then the only thing that matters is defending a brand name, a brand name that can barely make a pistol.

>>33929687
>which arent a problem
>open action too fast
>bolt handle snaps off
People complained about this in the 90's already.

>>33929892
No modern rifle should shoot less than an moa. That is a fact. There is no excuse at any point for less precision than that. Any modern bolt action not capable of that is garbage. I dont care if it costs $100.

What it comes down to is the finishing, fit, and feel. Maybe you arent seeing my point?

>>33929915
>No modern rifle should shoot less than an moa. That is a fact. There is no excuse at any point for less precision than that
You mean more than 1 MOA

>>33929911
Bullshit. Link a video of someone testing this.

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>>33929926
Don't have a video, just anecdotes and my own eyes.

Here's some dudes talking about theirs:
https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/8550277/all/Remington_700_who_has_had_a_Bo

>>33929924
Oh I see now. You like paying more money for a rifle that "feels better", and says Remington. After a little use, other cheaper rifles get smooth. The remington 700 is the savage axis of the 70s. People didnt like remington because they used basically a pipe for a receiver unlike winchesters mausers etc... but the round receiver was efficient and comparably, easier to machine. They have their place, but they need quality machining. i can take one and make it shoot a ragged hole at 100yards. but the remington factory cannot.

>>33929961
>https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/8550277/all/Remington_700_who_has_had_a_Bo
Read the comments, fool. Everyone in that thread who said they had it happen, said it happened on their model 7s, which I already addressed. Hell, the one dude has had over a dozen 700s, and never experienced it.

Are you trying to prove my point?

>>33930013
My Remington factory shoots groups <.75". You are full of it; and that's with my shooting using a towel as a rest.

>>33930047
And my Remington 700 Sendero SFII was a 5-MOA gun out of the box and required extensive gunsmithing to make shoot well.

You got lucky. Many do not.

>>33930013
MOA = inch groups at 100 yards

More MOA means larger groups, you want low MOA, meaning tight groups.

>>33930065
>5MOA out of the box
Man, it's embarrassing to make a bolt-action rifle that can be outshot by a Mini-14 out of the box.

>>33930065
>blaming the rifle for the user
kek No, I do not believe for a second you got a remington from the factory that was only capable of 5 moa.

>I-It never happens!
Yeah, staking or welding the bolt handle isn't one of the most popular mods done to the 700 or anything.

>>33930118
That doesnt make it necessary. I swapped the trigger on mine even though I could shoot .75" groups from the factory.

>>33930021
>Everyone in that thread who said they had it happen, said it happened on their model 7s,
They don't though, plenty say the 700.

And here's one breaking off from a tap with a hammer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PU4YOPuAcgI

You won't see this on a Ruger, Mauser, CZ or Savage.

>>33930090
if he clearly said
>required extensive gunsmithing to make shoot well

then i suppose the user is a good shot, otherwise he would still be complain about it

>>33929835
>no good Remington has ever done that

>no true Scotsman has ever done that

Mate...

>>33931479
Because you are counting their discount models. From the start I said we are only talking about their proper models. If the MSRP on your Remington is <1000 you deserve to have it blow up in your face.

>>33931995
Why is it that Remington are so fucking awful at making discount guns when Ruger, Savage, Smith & Wesson, etc make budget guns just fine?

Why do you hear stories about Remshit rusting, slamfiring and snapping ejectors, with all their shotguns, when you never hear that about Mossberg or Savage's low budget pump guns?

The Ruger P95 was a chunky piece of fuck but it worked flawlessly and was cheap, when Remington tried to make their own full sized 9mm pistol, the RP9, they shit the bed in every which way and charged more for it than a Glock.

There's something fundamentally bad about Remington if they can't make economy tier weapons without fucking up compared to other companies, or when they try to make a normal service pistol which a Hi-Point runs circles around.

>>33932076
Poor people owning Remingtons damage the brand. I don't want some pissant who buys a Mossberg to be able to afford a proper Remington.

Poor people do not have the right to bear arms.

>>33920216
Check the used gun section at cabelas . com
Also gander is going out of business( like 10-20% off guns) so check there, the one I stopped in on only had fudd rifles and shotgun left.

>>33932296
This is everyone's point, the brand is all that's left, and its reputation isn't damaged, it's totalled. Like American cars and baby boomers, we just won't buy them anymore.

>>33932338
>reputation isnt damaged, its totalled
5 million sold, stock price constantly climbing
kek

>>33932296
>Poor people do not have the right to bear arms.
Yet they do.
Remington underperforms and they are punished by their own failures in the free market.

Their pistols are atrocities, their shotguns are shoddy, with more and more people waking up to that fact, and their ammunition is mediocre at the very best.

>>33932414
Yeah, they didn't just have layoffs or anything.

>>33932542
Kek of course they had layouts, they literally just modernized their Ilion Firearms Plant last year.

>I am too poor to buy a new rifle
If you can't find used just buy new

>>33920959
is that pack-a-punch'd?

>>33932414
It's like Colt. They are only worth something to those who are buying or selling Colt's. Everyone else buys the far superior Smith and Wesson. Colt has been a shell for like 70 years, and so we will watch Remington decline into the filth that was Colt, overpriced BS with a pony logo.

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