Best poorfag gun?

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>>33913495
Canik TP9 SA or TP9 SF both just $350. Such an underrated full size handgun.

>>33913495
AR-15. it will be basic with iron sights, but will go bang. I have built one for 365.

>>33913495

>Shotung

Mossberg 500 or variant

>Pistol

Bulgarian Makarov, used S&W Model 10, Ruger LCP if you want it to be carryable

>Rifle

I don't know much about modern rifles but I hear Savage Axis are pretty decent cheap bolt actions, available in various calibers. Otherwise don't bother with any milsurp, the days of the good cheap shit are gone

Note: I will likely be called wrong shortly, also take /k/'s advice with a grain of salt, supplement with google

>>33913495
>>33913611

And a Savage or Ruger bolt action if he wants a full on rifle.

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>>33913495

Used glawk. Free "battlefield pickup" slide finish wear courtesy of some overweight cop in the 1990s. Easy to find mags and parts and accessories and isn't some retarded Turkish canik terrorist garbage.

>>33913629
The m&p shield is pretty cheap now too, cheaper than a bulgy

>>33913495

Find any of the /k/ approved pistols lightly used, they will be better than anything under 400 new.

What do you want to do with it?

Carcano

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>>33913495
dang ol tangofoliaoh eaaaaaAAawitnessman talkinboutboom boom

What about the SD9ve?

Anybody have experience with them?

used police glock.

>>33913495
new:
S&W M&P Shield
Keltec P11
Ruger LC9S

used:
Beretta 92S
Beretta 96
Ruger P89
M&P / M&P compact
Glock 22/23/24/27/31/32/33/37/38/39

Repeat after me: I will not buy slav shit.

I just realized you're not only asking about handguns. You can get an AR-556 for $379, but the M&P Sport II is better.

>>33913495
You'll also need a safe to keep it in, or at least a lock to put on it, and some decent ear protection if you want to shoot it. Have you ever shot one?

>>33913495
Makarov; they're still in the ~$300 range. Use the savings to buy ammo online and practice.

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>>33913743
>the M&P Sport II is better
wrong
anon should get the ruger

>>33913495
If you look around you can probably still pick up an sks for that. If not, there are plenty of bolt action rifles or even semi-auto .22 rifles for much less than $400.

Bersa Thunder

>>33913720
stock trigger is garbage, but apex makes a fix/upgrade that gives you a good, inexpensive nightstand gun
i would save your shekels for a M&P shield unless you absolutely need a gun today

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>>33913495
M&P shield for that dank as fuck rebate.

t. g43 owner

>>33913720
Trigger's stiff but not unmanageable. I like them. They feel much higher quality than they have any right to for the price.

If you're looking for a full size pistol I'd recommend it. For CC just get a shield, they're right around the same price right now anyway. I found one for sale that came with 4 mags that clocked in at just under $300 including transfer fee.

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>>33913495
>>33913837

Agreed. Only reason I fuckin went out and bought this thing is because it will be a sub $300 gun after I get my rebate from Smith. And it turns out...the more I shoot it, I actually like it. A lot. No wonder every faggot carries one of these Shields.

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>>33913852
>I found one for sale that came with 4 mags that clocked in at just under $300 including transfer fee.

I'm talking about the SD9VE here. Pic related.

For reference I also own an M&P 9 that I picked up used for about the same price. Its definitely nicer but the SD9VE is more than fine on it's own.

>>33913822
>hurr durr i am secretion agente

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Get one while you still can. The Disruptor that's replacing it doesn't have a fun swing-out cylinder.

How many shields has SW sold because if this rebate. Got mine off SPA because of rebate.
Also, hard to believe the Ruger 9E hasnt been mentioned.
An excellent full size 9mm for around $300 new.

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>>33913495
Hi-point carbine

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>>33913969

>>33913743
Where the hell gave you seen an ar556 for under $400?

>>33913611

again

fuck turkroaches islam gun - don't support islamic terrorism

>>33913611

ruger 9e is $340 at lgs

way better quality but have to spend more $$ for accessories

>>33913495
ruger 10/22

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>>33913969
>not the classic Maverick

>>33913822

I forgot about this, these are also good budget guns

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>>33913969
>>33914206
>Not getting the GOAT

>>33914091
Fucking this

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>>33913495
Bersa full sized handgun.

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>>33914233
I like it with this more streamlined shell. One-handed operation makes it more useful than Strongarm, but the spinny clicky bit and slamfire make Strongarm more fun. Remember not to store foam dart blasters loaded long term. It causes power loss.

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I have this anti-material pistol. It's fun to shoot my bf with.

>>33914177
>ruger 9e is $340 at lgs
Do people still buy guns at brick and mortar places?
http://www.mrgundealer.com/product.ruger-9e-model-3340-sr9-essentials-9mm-sr9e-nib-1047
Ruger 9e $249.99

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>>33913711
Boomhower is right; we're never going to get to the bottom of this until we have certain 'goals' to achieve.

>>33914282
Do I see four buttons? That's one too many for me to understand. What do they do?

>>33914296
>>33914233
>>33913969
i had one of those small nerf nite finder pistols and i could mount it on top of my maverick as a double pistol package

its was dope

>>33914411
has both a safety and decocking lever

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>>33914359

>>33914335
>tfw no bf to play nerf with

>>33913822
How are these? I live in California and am torn between the Bersa Firestorm and an RIA GI 1911. I want something with a hammer and those appear to be the two cheapest handguns on the roster with a hammer that aren't revolvers.

Shit, while we're at it:

>featureless ar15
Or
>ar15 made featureless with MEAN Arms stripper clip-o-rama
Or
>SU-16
Or
>Mini 14

I have nobody to talk guns with around here since everybody is an insufferable leftist. I need opinions.

>>33914340
>http://www.mrgundealer.com/product.ruger-9e-model-3340-sr9-essentials-9mm-sr9e-nib-1047

fine

where is that store ?

FFL transfer $35, shipping $75 & WA state import $30 so that $250 goes to $390 which is more than my lgs + tax

that lgs has fairly good prices 1 place is cheaper but they are so sketchy i don't go there any more

>>33914220

keep forgetting bersa is crap tier like taurus

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>>33913495
No one's posted this yet?

>>33914736
Nobody has an opinion?

>>33914827
>$75 shipping
No. How did you come up with that?
>$35 FFL fee
Your FFL is ripping you off.
>$30 WA state import tax
I had to Google this. I feel sorry for you, this is theft at it's finest.

>>33913629
>>33913774
Makarovs suck.

Recommend him a gun that he can actually use for defense. Not something meant for executing dissidents or assassinations.

>>33914736
ARs get so cucked in Commiefornia I would go for the Mini-14 T.B.H.
I had an old 1980s wooden stock model with an accustrut . I sold it back in 2010 to help finamce my first AR. I still miss it to this day.

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>>33914736
>>33915412
I had a Bersa, and it's a good gun, but it's way too big for a .380

I sold it and got an LCP II and it's a fuck ton smaller and easier to carry with only one less round for less than what I payed for the Bersa at the time.

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>>33913655
>theonlyacceptableanswer.jpg

>>33915412
I'd go for the GI 1911, they're pretty solid, plus its a fudd gun so the state won't give you shit for it, and you get fuddy-five stopping power as well. Otherwise try and find a used Beretta 92.

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>>33914616
problem?

>>33915465
That is what I was thinking too. I'm worried about getting an AR then having it get banned into complete un-usability.

What do you think about the SU-16?

>>33914736
The RIA 1911 will be more fun to shoot. The Bersa will be easier to carry. Both are good budget guns.

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On the subject of bersa, would anyone care to comment on this not-a-glock?

>>33916354
it's not a glock.

>>33916354
Just get a used Glock

>>33913986
>>33914182
>>33913822
>>33913837
These are the correct answers

>>33914894
Because it's outdated and shitty.
>Baikals banned from import
>PPS 43 pretty much unobtanium outside of secondary market
>91/30's are at this point priced well beyond nicer Mauser variants and not really worth it anymore

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>>33913495
Buy a PPK and pretend to be James Bond.

>>33913495
Buy 4 hipoints and strap 2 to your feet

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>>33914736
Califag here as well . The bersa is a good choice for an inexpensive handgun youll probably want something nicer eventually though.

Pic related is my second handgat

>>33913495
You can find Rock Island 1911's for around $400, I got mine "used" (previous owner barely shot it) and I haven't had a single hickup yet. Sure, it's a barebones GI 1911 but it was pretty accurate and fed Magtech JHP like a champ.

>>33913495
10/22 or Marlin 60.

>>33914894
Out-fucking-standing

>>33914167
in that case, better stop paying taxes if you live in america or europe

>>33914736
Bersa Thunder and S&W SD9 are in your price range. RIA GI 1911, good luck. For a first gun there's about 60-100$ of just red tape and basic accessories you're going to need. Unless it's $300 or under you can't afford it.
Or unless you're willing to spend more money.

Also don't be afraid of used guns. Consignments and 50+ year old pistols don't need to be on roster. Rifle-wise you sometimes find milsurp at reasonable prices.
Shotguns are also very good value. You can get a genuinely good one for $300 easy.
Also there are rimfire rifles. You could get a Ruger 10/22, Marlin 795 or 60 for around $200. But for $70-100 you can usually find an old dusty bolt-action .22 rifle from the 60s with plenty of life still left in it. People don't seem to care about them, so they are available cheap. Heck, find a good used 12 or 20ga shotgun (maybe pump, maybe single-shot) and an old .22 rifle in the same store and you can probably put them both on the same DROS for like $270 OTD.

>featureless ar15
Not for $400 in CA. More like $500.
>ar15 made featureless with MEAN Arms stripper clip-o-rama
It's kinda neat but will push your price up.
>SU-16
Again not for $400 and they are rare. Also kinda flimsy.
>Mini-14
Cheapest I've ever seen one is $500 and they're not bad honestly. Go for a newer 580+ serial prefix due to the improved barrel. Just expect to replace the rear sight if it hasn't been replaced yet.
>>33916354
If you find one in CA it'll cost about the same or more than a used 3rd gen Glock which is a better gun.

>>33913611

You do realize that adding a bipod to a pistol is illegal, right?

>>33913495
SKS
Norinco will leave you money for ammo
Yugoslavian if you're lucky depending on state but little to no money for ammo
Russian if you're stupid lucky, no money for ammo

And fuck this guy >>33913743

>>33913495
Maverick 88 and Ruger 10/22, they're both around 200 bucks new

>>33915445
Eh, 9x18mm Makarov is a hair more powerful than .380 ACP, which is generally considered the minimum acceptable for self defense. The ergonomics and accuracy of the gun are surprisingly good for a Soviet weapon, and with modern hollowpoints it's a respectable choice imo.

Between it and a 9mm Hi-point I honestly would lean more toward the Makarov, just for the smaller size, better build quality, and ergonomics.

(Though I'd probably just drop an additional $100 and buy an S&W SD9 or Canik TP9, if not a police trade-in Glock. Anon might be really poor though, and not have an extra Benjamin.).

>>33916979
Featureless is probably the best option here. After taking my bullet buttoned rifle to the range and having a few malfunctions, I realized that not being able to drop the magazine and clear a malfunction could be very dangerous.

Though if you're willing to leave the .223 cartridge entirely, M1 Carbine would be a good choice. Ammo's a bit pricey, but the parts are still widely available and the gun is light and handy: a solid choice for home defense. If you'd like to nonpermanently mod it, an Ultimak with a red dot sight (Primary Arms MD-ADS would be my vote) when you have more shekels would round it out nicely.

>>33914335
(you)
>>33914647
(you)

>>33914827
Bullseye? Which ones the sketchy one?

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>>33913495
CZ 83 in .380

I'm shocked no one has mentioned the FNS yet. I routinely see it online going for somewhere in the $350 range.

>>33913611
Fuck off turkroach

Look at the poorfag list op.

I gotta say savage. Accurate rugged rifles for cheap.

>>33916993
>>>33913611
>You do realize that adding a bipod to a pistol is illegal, right?
Adding a forward grip is illegal, not a bipod.

>>33913611
It's honestly a great gun for the money you pay. I've tried other guns in the price range but none of them had as good of a trigger as the TP9SF does out of the box.

I don't think it should be ignored because it comes from a shitty fucking country, because it beats the he'll of it of a lot of other budget options. I'd take it over a fucking SDV9 or an SR9 or fucking whatever.

That said, once I have the money I fully intend to replace it with a P320, because I don't like supporting the Turks either, but if I'm gonna buy a gun I want to get the best I can get for whatever it is I'm spending than get some piece of shit. Other budget options don't have 18 round mags either, as far as I'm aware.

>>33918200
Adding a second pistol grip, Jesus all this misinformation. A vertical fore grip, whether it be stubby, folding, fixed, doesn't matter. Not allowed? Angled fore grip? Fucking go for it.

>>33918248

*Not allowed. You are not allowed to add a vertical fore grip. Angled are allowed just fine.

>>33913495
Maverick 88 in 12 or 20 gauge

>>33913495
just got a smith & wesson model 64 for 350. You can find them used in stores or online. For less than 400$ you get a good quality handgun that was used by police for decades. Would recommend.

>>33913743
I have both a beretta 92s and an m&p sport AR. They both are poorfag guns but the smith is accurate as hell and the beretta has a very nice trigger. At $300 from classic, I'd strongly recommend the beretta but it is too big to CC and the sights need paint. I bought my m&p for $400 on black (ops) Friday, but if you can't wait for sale prices buy a palmetto upper and lower, you might even get 10 free pmags if you buy the right thing.

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>>33916993

>>33913785
No, the AR-556 has problems and proprietary shit.
>>33914091
https://www.reddit.com/r/gundeals/new
They pop up every few days.
>>33917546
>intentionally buying an unreliable overweight unnecessarily large slavshit carbine with a fixed ten round magazine for more than an AR-15
wew fuckin' lad dude
>>33918746
>92S is poorfag shit
92S is a poorfag gun, but 15 rounds with a heel release is better than 7 rounds with a button or paddle.
>m&p sport is poorfag shit
M&P Sport and Sport II each have/had cheapout issues, but it's not poorfag shit. The Sport lacked an ejection port cover which is a fairly large flaw. The Sport II is 1:9, and the Sport II and AR-556 are both 4140.
I would have liked to see 4150 barrels and C158 bolts, but it'll last.
>recommending psa
>ever
No, senpai. Pmags are garbage and PSA is overpriced.

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>>33914167
>He pays taxes

>>33918200
a bipod is just two pistol grips. twice as illegal

>>33914841
My thunders have been great, reliable shooters

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Get one of these. Can't beat it at less than $300. Fuck the haters.

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>>33915522
Back when I was with Lenore, she'd always get at me about my russian guns, heheheh. Would have bought a deagle just to keep her around...

Ruger American Pistol, but just know It'll chew up the webbing of your hand.

>>33913495
Hi point. Reliable, lifetime guarantee, and only a buck fitty

>>33916976
That's not voluntary, buying a turkroach gun is faggot

>>33916786
This. Someone needs to make a post election 2017 guide.

>>33920902
Don't ever buy steel or auto parts, chances are it's from turkey.

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>>33919442
Deagle? Back when i was back killin tojo with muh bare hands, in between taken their daughters for wives, we only shot americas round the .45 out of goverment issued 1911's. Not those stupid nickle platted niger knockers

>>33913495
A famas

>>33913747
>needing to lock your guns up


Maybe if u live in some liberal hellhole. At worst in normal america you just lock them in a closet or a bedroom if there are children around.

Mine sits on my bed

>>33913495
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxSjLllBbQ4

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>>33914340

again

fuck bigbox roaches - don't support capitalist gouging.

My local range/store: Beretta 92fs $650, gen 3 Glock 17 $569, Shield 9mm $445. Why support any local business when they price themselves out of the market? Small local FFL dealers operating out of their residence offer better prices and undercut big box transfer fee. Fuck a greedy cunts profit margin.

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>>33914167
This, to be honest, family.

>>33923233
>doesn't live with roomates or have children the post

>>33913611
Am I the only one who thinks these are XBOX HUEG and feel like shit in the hands? I wanted one until my brother got one and I tried it out. The thing's a fucking brick and the grip/beavertail is so poorly designed it's impossible to get a proper high grip on it. The trigger is good, and the action is smooth, but it's awkward to handle and the low grip + hammer-fired tier bore axis result in the muzzle bouncing more than any other striker-fired pistol I've fired.

tl;dr 5/10, kebabs need to make it feel less shitty and huge

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>>33913495
Maverick 88
>tfw this cheap motherfucker is my most durable gun

CZ 83 for pistol. SKS for rifle.