AMA guns in Belgium/Europe

>>33909474
Why would we ask you anything.

>>33909474
How many legal hoops did you have to jump through?

>>33909474
What are the requirements? Also want to send me an FNC?

>>33909474
How does it feel to the base camp for all of the french terror attacks?

>>33909492
Clean criminal record, 100 euros and a lot of waiting and appointments

>>33909500
See >>33909517

>>33909500
Mate i would if i could

>>33909517
What did the appointments entail?

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>>33909474

Gratz?

>>33909492

Both his guns require a Model 4 permit.

The quick run down is (there are some variations):
- Range membership
- Paperwork which shows the guns requested can be shot at the range you are member of
- Paperwork to show you're not dangerous to the public or the state
- Paperwork from a doctor confirming you're physically able to safely handle firearms and sane enough to be trusted with guns
- Theoretical & practical exam (mostly law & safety related), but these are waived if you already have a SportShootingLicense (SSL)

A Model 4 request takes between 2 weeks to 4 months.

>>33909508
It's the reason I got into guns, BUT MAINLY BECAUSE OF THE SPORT ASPECT OF IT, not at all for self defence or shtf scenarios

>>33909559
Good job anon. Godspeed and stay safe out there. Sorry your neighbors pulled some dumb shit on sunday.

>>33909541
The appointments are with the local police and the staff of the shooting club mainly, for safety courses and storage of the weapons, stuff like that. The police officer was a bro, he owns lots of guns so we talked a bit about his collection next to the legal stuff

>>33909556
Cool collection bro, and thanks

>>33909595
Yeah I was pretty disappointed in the french, I just hope the civil war won't propagate to Belgium before my personal arsenal is a little bigger and i have stocked up on some more ammo

>>33909556
How is the FNC? How much did you pay? Where did you get it?

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>>33909559

I hear a lot of people are now becoming member at a range due to the attacks, but I'm not sure they'll remain members if that is their sole motivation.

>>33909658
>How is the FNC? How much did you pay? Where did you get it?

I don't own an FNC?

>>33909677
My bad, really looked like it in the thumbnail

The people at my range told me they didn't see an increase, and neither did the police officer, where did you hear that? It sound logical

We need to get these dangerous weapons off belgium streets.

be a friend bin that gin.

>>33909743
>implying the muslims in their capital dont have 50yro kalash's for $300 ea

>>33909743
You can't carry them sadly...

>>33909474
How badly do you have to hide your power level?

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>>33909712
>The people at my range told me they didn't see an increase, and neither did the police officer, where did you hear that?

The range owner & the range officers at my local range.
It's logical that the police wouldn't see any increase yet, most people get a temporary SSL first, which only gets turned into a permanent SSL after 6 to 12 months.

I haven't heard any actual statistics, but I do notice more new shooters being given the safety courses by range officers.

>>33909761
>You can't carry them sadly...

To be fair, I'd likely not carry any gun even if I could. Maybe only when going to some shady part of a large city or something, but in every day life, I really never feel unsafe.

Of course, there's always the "be prepared" mindset, but carry also has disadvantages with it, especially in a largely gunshy country like ours.

ITT: HERCULE POIROT

>>33909816
Really hard, I never mentioned selfe defense or anything like that to the cops or range staff, i'm sure the cops would have veto'd my permit if i had, its just for sport™

>>33909821
I completely agree, i would really like a loaded gun in my car and home though. As for carrying it on my person, only in cities at night or during the day in the shittiest parts would be nice.

>>33909821
It's nice to know people are picking up the sport, it gives me hope thay not everyone is a sheep waiting to have it throat slit

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>>33909840
>ITT: HERCULE POIROT

I think we've been called worse. ;)

>>33909866
>Really hard, I never mentioned selfe defense or anything like that to the cops or range staff, i'm sure the cops would have veto'd my permit if i had, its just for sport™

Tthe storage laws for sporting firearms stipulate you can't have the gun ready to go when you're sleeping etc. It needs to be at least triggerlocked and the ammo has to be unloaded from the magazine and stored separately. So yes, it would disqualify you from owning a gun for sporting purposes if you let them know it'd be loaded in your night stand.

You are however allowed to use the guns for self-defense. However, if they can prove that prior to using it for self-defense, your gun was improperly stored, they can use that to take away all your guns even if it was justifiable self-defense.

The problem with using a sporting gun for self-defense is actually getting it out and loaded in time. Unless you can lock yourself in your gun room, it's going to be hard.

I guess a CZ858 would give you a good chance. Just keep an empty mag in the rifle, and quickload it with stripper clips when needed?

>>33909929
>It's nice to know people are picking up the sport

Gun owners are still a tiny minority though. So spread your passion with your friends.

>>33909821
How much did the Sig cost yah? Also what's the legality of SBR/SBS (if there are any restrictions) and silencers. Is there a collector's permit process for historical automatic weapons? Does being part of the government/armed forces/police allow you access to CCW while off duty or at least ease access to firearm ownership?

>>33909974
I keep my mags loaded with my ammo, that's fine no? Why bother with the stripper clips then? Making you sleeping room your gun storage room would be pretty funny to get around that. But than couldn't you argue that a m house as a whole could be a gun room or something?

I convinced my dad, and i'm doing my best to introduce people to the sport.

>>33909556
Slingshot channel?

>>33910093
That's a Belgian, anon. Slingshot is from Germany

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>>33909979
>How much did the Sig cost yah?

When I bought mine, it was 2100 euros.

I believe it will be hard to find a new one for less than 2500 euros today though.

>Also what's the legality of SBR/SBS

There are no SBR or SBS laws. A 7.5" AR15 is the same permit as a Sig 550 or a CZ Scorpion EVO3S1.
Due to the recent guidelines voted in by the EU, this is likely to change.

>and silencers.

Outright banned for everyone except police and army.

>Is there a collector's permit process for historical automatic weapons?

Yes, but it's a pain to establish. You're also only allowed to fire automatic weapons once a year on a closed range for "function checking". A collector's permit is not suited for actual frequent use.

>Does being part of the government/armed forces/police allow you access to CCW while off duty or at least ease access to firearm ownership?

Yes, before the attacks police was largely not allowed to take duty weapons home (because historically they were often used to commit suicide), but it has become more common for law enforcement to take their duty firearms home with them.

>>33910027
>I keep my mags loaded with my ammo, that's fine no?

That would be illegal. Transported ammo is not allowed to be pre-loaded in magazines (probably as a road rage preventing law?). If you take them to the range like that, you are breaking the law. If the cops ever catch you in the act, you are likely to lose your permits.

>Making you sleeping room your gun storage room would be pretty funny to get around that. But than couldn't you argue that a m house as a whole could be a gun room?

You can literally turn an entire room into your "gun safe" legally, allowing you to display your guns freely too.
Technically, you can turn an entire appartment into your gun safe as well. But there are generally too many hoops to jump through for that.

For a house, that would be harder since you'd need to bar all your windows, have your doors and garage fortified, etc.

>>33909979
Supressors are illegal to own, SBR don't exist in Belgium, no special rules except if you modify them by cutting the barrel yourself (you have to be a recognized armorer i think).
Cops aren't allowed to ccw off duty and don't have special rights for private gun ownership, same laws for them. Except that they train with their service weapon ofcourse, they can only take their service weapon home during high alert times but that depends on the local government i think.

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>>33909474

Do you have any restrictions on the length of your firearms like what we have in the US? also do you have magazine capacity restrictions?


>Mfw fucking belgians have more freedom than Californians

>>33910131
Damn... Can you keep em loaded at home though? I never keep my mags loaded, it was a question i was asking if it would be legal to do so

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>>33910145
In Belgium neither, though the EU dictatorship will likely change that. I know the UK has crazy laws and their legal pistols have like 12 inch barrels or something, really fucked up

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I unloaded all my mags after making this picture, I loaded them just for the photo

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>>33910145
>Do you have any restrictions on the length of your firearms like what we have in the US?

Not yet. But that may change.

>also do you have magazine capacity restrictions?

Yes, but this is a recent limitation.

Pistols: 20 rounds, unless you have a special sporting excemption (like IPSC, but must be shorter than 171mm)
Centerfire semiauto rifles: 30 rounds
Rimfire semiauto rifles: 40 rounds
Centerfire boltaction rifles: 10 rounds
Rimfire boltaction rifles: 20 rounds
Centerfire leveraction rifles: 10 rounds
Rimfire leveraction rifles: 15 rounds
Smooth bore: 10 rounds

There is no real guidance on how to limit a mag though. If you have a PPSh, is it enough to temporarily block it somehow? Or do you need to permanently modify it? It's unclear.

>>33910199
>Damn... Can you keep em loaded at home though?

Storing the loaded is something which is rather vague as far as I know. If you used them like that, they might use it to show you were keeping the guns for self-defense and not sporting purposes? I would tread carefully on this.

Read through http://www.wapenunie.be/portaal/wapenbezitters for some guidance.

>>33910240
>In Belgium neither

Tread carefully kiddo. ;)

>>33910240
UK has an outright ban on handguns, (excluding Northern Ireland)
It's fucking nuts over here, you can legally own a .50cal Sniper Rifle but apparently a handgun is off limit's just because some nutjob shot up a school with a handgun rather than a rifle.

>>33909474
Are you allowed to CC? if not is CC available to law enforcement, couriers etc etc?

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>>33910447
>Are you allowed to CC? if not is CC available to law enforcement, couriers etc etc?

Only police, military, professional users (body guards, armed security, etc) and very rare people which can prove they are in immediate danger. Usually that last thing just means politicians, judges and super rich people.
Not for plebs.

Once again, the normal folks take it up the ass.

>>33910370
Hmmm, why don't they include all these restrictions in the stuff you have to study for the theoretical exam?

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>>33910497
>Hmmm, why don't they include all these restrictions in the stuff you have to study for the theoretical exam?

Because the 2006 law merely says it outlaws magazines of "abnormal capacity" for a given weapon. It was however never stipulated what exactly that means, until there came an "uitvoeringsbesluit" in 2012 which did include these.

The exam's multiple choice questions which you likely took predate this (being from 2006, I'd imagine) and would need to be changed by another "uitvoeringsbesluit". At least that's what I assume.

Needless to say, plenty of gun owners will have never heard of these laws unless they're members of the www.wapenunie.be or www.avwl-vzw.be

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>>33910602
>addendum

What makes it even funnier is that this "uitvoeringsbesluit" contains language which is not legally defined. Like the word "carbine". The gun laws do not define such a word, thus it is likely that someone which is prosecuted for using "abnormal" magazines could take them to court and win.

We have such incompetent politicians, it's almost endearing.

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>>33909474
sympa de voir un belge sur /k/!

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>>33910602
Sadly a lot af judges are leftist political creatures. I wouldn't even count on the law if you have to be judged with anything related to guns. They would probably try and lake you an example.

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>>33910674
Hahaha, inch allah mon frère. (CECI EST UNE BLAGUE, JE NE SUIS PAS RADICALISÉ, NE ME TRACEZ PAS SVP)

>>33910674
Purée belle collection tu as la quand-même.

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>>33910689
>Sadly a lot af judges are leftist political creatures. I wouldn't even count on the law if you have to be judged with anything related to guns. They would probably try and lake you an example.

Belgian law has the concept of implementing the "spirit" of the law, not necessarily the exact wording of the law. This means that if you can be expected to interpret the law in a certain way, you are legally bound to that interpretation.
Still, it's something you have a good chance of fighting in court.

>>33910738
mashallah, quand je ne fait pas du jihad, je poste dans des thread gearqueer.

>>33909474
How the fuck do you have a p10c already

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>>33910815
>How the fuck do you have a p10c already

Thou must be blind.

>>33910815
It's a P-07, looks a lot like it indeed

>>33909474
How do you go about buying ammo? Can you store them loaded? Do you have access the ammo markets from other countries?

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>>33910712
>>33910738
tu ne réponds plus Belgiumbro?

>>33911108
The ammo seller scans your permit if you buy ammo, you can only buy ammo of a caliber you own a firearm of. You can drive to neighbouring countries (Luxembourg f e) and buy ammo with your permit, depends on which country

>>33911163
Mais si mon frère ! Tu as quoi comme armes? Celles que la popo n'a pas encore confisqué

>>33909474
What is life like in New Africa

>>33911241
Buy it from a sporting goods type store or gun store? Can you buy American ammo? What about Russian or Chinese?

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>>33911249
je suis dans les premières annés de mon permis, donc un 22lr Colt 1911.

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>>33911261
I'm doing pretty good, but I live in a privileged area atm, not a lot of bad things going on. But i'm sure that will change (cultural enrichment is starting even here)

>>33911268
Never from a sporting goods store, most people buy their ammo from hunting stores or weapon stores/armorers. I buy it from a guy who sells it at home (you need a special permit).

Surplus ammo (chinese and russian) is hard to find in Belgium. Only place i know of that sells it is in Luxemburg and only in very large quantities. My gun range forbids the use of surplus (although i often see cases of them at the range). I shoot Barnaul (silver bear in US) at 32 euro cents per round (cheapest in Belgium that i know of)

>>33911268
Not a lot of american ammo to be found, biggest brands are S&B, gecko, fiocchi, Winchester, magtech, cci of the top of my head

>>33911275
C'est un bon début ! Tireur sportif ?

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>>33911386
oui, mais je suis aussi en train de faire le permis de chasse.

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>>33911420
Cool! Je pense aussi me mettre à la chasse.

>>33911420
Beaucoup de paperasse ce permis de chasse ?

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>>33911439
>when you want to impress citizens of neighbouring countries with your french skills, but you forgot everything a year after school.

S-salut, m-mon amis.

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>>33911451
un peu, ici on fait encore des cours du soir pour tout apprendre correctement.

>>33911476
Just remind them that it's an English board, that'll show them.

>>33911476
Mon pauvre, you gotta keep using a language my man. It will come back if you train

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>>33911476
i dont care if you make mistakes anon! where do you come from?

>>33911488

we can continue on english if that bothers you.

>>33909474
Congratulations, Now go shitpost in /arg/ and gucci it up.

>>33911016

>>33911487
Tu connais quelqu'un pour tirer sur sa propriété ? J'ai entendu dire que c'était pas facile si tu n'as pas de connexions

>>33911506
Near Aix-a-Chapelle.

>>33911511
No gucci, gonna put an optic on when i am a pro in iron sights. It's gonna stay stock till something breaks.

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>>33911516
c'est illégal comme chez toi, mais quand on a des amis chez la police ou armee, on peut tirer sur les stand de tir outdoor des administrations.

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>>33909474
Why did you not buy soething decent ?
instead you bought a shit tier ar

>>33911554
Je voulais dire pour chasser en fait.

>>33911562
Nice bait, this was the cheapest ar 15 i could find, still 1000€. Shoots steel cased without a hitch, feels sturdy and is pretty accurate.

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>>33911562
and how much did you pay?
sweden heter waiting and saving bit by bit for 2-3 years untill i get my AR.
>Mega Arms build

>>33911516
oui, j'ai déja participé dans une battue avec un ami. (son père est co-propriétaire du terrain).

c'est vrai que c'est pas facile, parfois la chasse est un peu élitaire ici...

>>33911525
man müsste mal ein /k/-meetup in der grenzregion organisieren (anstatt immer nur in der schweiz)

>>33911614
1000€, here in Belgium you have to ask a permit for each part of a firearm (barrel, lower, upper etc), my next ar will be build for sure if i can find the parts at good prices (no point if it's cheaper to buy a premade one).
Good luck saving up!

>>33911671
Da würden aber mindestens drei, zwei SEK's mitreden wollen...

>>33911620
Voila, c'est bien ce que je pensais, mais je trouverai bien qqn

>>33909474
Je commence ou si je veut avoir tout ca?

>>33909658
That's Sig SG550, not an FNC.

>>33911671
>>33911683
I would be up for it, but i where would we shoot? You need a membership to shoot at ranges right?

>>33911704
Not necessarily.

>>33911687
quand tu a fait ton permis de chasse, du va connaitre des personnes qui t'invite dans des chasses, aucun problème.

>>33911704
>>33911711
when there is at least 1 person who has a gunpermit at the range, this person can take other friends with him, no questions asked.

(luxembourg)

>>33911691

Commence par mettre 2000€ de côté (€1500 les armes (tu peux acheter moins bien sur), 230€ cotisation annuelle du stand de tir, 100€ administration, 50€ entraînement pour examen pratique, 30€ examen pratique)

Introduit une demande a la province (le docu ce trouve sur le site sous la rubrique armes normalement)

>>33911745
A Meetup in july would be cool

>>33911691
En France ou en Belgicie?

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>>33911791
Ces quoi la situation en Flandre ? Plus difficile ? Je risque d’être sous off manœuvre dans un an donc ça devrais aider ?

>>33911832
Belles armes, mais camo dégueu.

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>>33911809
we have to choose a gun range though. (where should we do it though, BE? LU? DE? FR?)

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>>33911812
Belgique , Flandre orientale

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>>33911836
dis pas ça >_<

>>33910093
Belgian Anon
French flag
German YouTuber

>>33911832
Normalement ça ne change rien que tu sois à l'armée puisque tu achèterai des armes comme civile. C'est 4 mois en Flandre, beaucoup plus si tu dois faire tout les examens avant (moi ça à pris 8 mois en tout

>>33911876
Ta des teste psy. ? Imaginons que je suis 1/2 maghrébins ça marche toujours ?

>>33911838
Or if someone knows some really remote wilderness where no one would bother us... But it would suck if we got caught. My range is pretty small, more than 4 people would draw a lot of attention and i dont think its allowed to bring so many shooters along

I don't think I would be going to a Europistan meetup, especially with my guns. Too risky.

http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=307553&highlight=isis

>>33910674
>>33911725
Je confirme, j'habite en ville et chasse régulièrement chez des amis que je me suis fait en cours du soir du permis

>>33911899
Si ton casier judiciaire est vierge, et que la police locale ne te connais pas, devrait pas y avoir de problème. Sauf si tu dis que du veux des armes pour imiter ISIS a la police kek

>>33911903
Don't have an account, can you explain? Or take a screenshot?

Are you allowed to let friends or family shoot it at the range or do they need to be members also?

How hard is it to take a hunting rifle to another EU country?

>>33911932
ISIS is luring people into meetups to kill them or take them hostage.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/isis-tells-terrorists-craigslist-ebay-165330926.html

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>>33911900
remote wilderness? not in lux, the woods are not big enough.
It could be possible in belgium though, you guys have a lot of forest.

I'm pretty sure that you can rent indoor ranges (for 10 persons for 4 hours for example)
Google "stand de tir volmerange les mines",

>>33911947
Ain't no one kidnapping me with muh guns, i'd just shoot him

>>33911920
Haha j'y penserais merci ^^

>>33911947
>>33911971
dont think there was a single case were someone actually did that.

>>33911952
Yeah in Switzerland right? Kinda far but could be cool indeed, can you bring your own guns there though? Actually better if not for safety ans isis

>>33911952
In france actually, would be perfect indeed!

>>33909556
> a fucking Belgian has more guns than me

Feels bad being a poorfag

>>33911241
>The ammo seller scans your permit if you buy ammo, you can only buy ammo of a caliber you own a firearm of.
Huh, we do the same thing here in Puerto Rico. Lemme guess, it's also a felony tier crime if you get caught with ammo not compatible with your firearm?

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>>33912017
there are definitely a number of gun ranges in france and germany who accept visitors.

a friend once told me about a gun range in germany where visitors can go shoot. He shot a mr223 there (with assistance of a instructor of course)

it's normal for them, they offer this for bachelor partys.

>>33912058
Being a poorfag isn't an excuse for not owning guns. Stop buying so many tendies and steam games and you should have enough for a nice collection.

>>33912083
In Belgium you can shoot 1 time per year as a visitor but you have to give a copy of a clean criminal record

>>33912066
No idea, but you would definitely lose your right to own guns. But realistically i dont know why the police would bother checking that unless you are under investigation or something

>>33911942
You need a European Firearms pass to take your rifle into another country. Bringing someone else to the range is not a problem though, anybody over 18 is allowed to shoot.

>>33910144
Jesus Christ, not even the cops are safe. Take care of yourself Wafflebro.

>>33912058
Only you can control your future!

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>>33912100
I have 2 so far. Only started last year. Right now I'm saving up for a trip to go to Japan next spring (Not a weeb, wasn't my idea but I've always wanted to go) which will be pretty expensive.

>>33912143
*the part concerning bringing someone to the range is only valid in germany

>>33912146
Feelsbadman.svg

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>>33912114
so we would need:
-The correct gun range
-at least 1 person with guns
-the correct country

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>>33912200
Correct
Anyways, i'm going to sleep now. All Europeans keep an eye out for a Meetup thread and report in when you see one!

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>>33912231
putain, déja minuit...

bonne nuit belgiumbro, quand j'ai le temps je vais regarder pour ce type de thread!

>>33910764
English law is the same in regards to the spirit of the law
> Example, for about 500 years the law to defend your home was "Reasonable force"

When the lefties took over the judges, reasonable became asking them to leave, there where cases of old people being sued for even throwing punches at criminals breaking into their houses.

Anyone who shot a burglar would face prison time regardless of the case.

>>33909556
No short-barreled rifle laws in Belgium? Are there magazine capacity restrictions even if you have a Model 4 permit?

>>33913239
Never mind; read the above posts.