CCW- round in the chamber?

>>33899797
If that happens it's natural selection. I advise everyone carries one in the chamber aiwb because if you can't handle that hopefully you die before you reproduce.

>>33899797
Don't carry appendix like some try hard and it'll only hit your foot if you carry 3 o clock on the waist.

In all seriousness, with a quality firearm and good holster carrying with a loaded chamber is good to go.

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Depends on your lifestyle/need. Do you live a life where you'll need that weapon the very instant it comes out of the holster?
>gangster
>cop
>gangstercop
>courier
>guard
>hunt guide
>rough neighborhood resident
>asshole
Or are you the kind of person who can maybe afford to rack the slide....?
>prepper
>sketchy neighborhood resident
>casual but prepared traveler
>responsible home resident
>potential asshole, but generally okay guy

>>33899797
Depends OP
If you can keep your finger off the trigger you'll probably be fine - a good holster is a MUST and don't touch your CCW unless you have to.
If you're planning on pocket carry without a holster then don't carry one in the chamber.

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>>33899820
>TFW been carrying all kinds of guns fully loaded in IWB appendix every day for 21 years and never shot myself

List of guns carried IWB appendix:
J-frame smith(barami hip grips no holster)
Colt Commander (cocked and locked)
Rossi 720 .44spl
FEG hi-power 9mil (cocked and locked)
Sig 229 9mil
Glock 19

AIWB is best carry. Comfy as fuck. Fast draw. Easy to draw with either hand. Easy to draw from a seated position. Best position for positive retention in all circumstances.

Carry empty chambered for a year, appendix, see nothing happens, trigger never triggers, chamber one and carry on.

>>33899896
It was meant as a joke but your post defending it comes off as extremely try hard, well done.

>>33899797
any modern firearm will have a transfer bar that absolutely 100% blocks the firing pin from striking the primer and only is moved once the trigger is pulled all the way back. If you have a good holster that blocks anything touching Mr. Trigger, you're perfectly safe.

>>33899797

Yes you should. You won't have time to rack a slide. A good holster should make sure that the trigger can't be pulled, and if you have a safety you could practice taking it off as you fire.

Carry all day unloaded and listen if you hear a click that would mean the round would fire.

>>33899797
>Should I carry with a round in the chamber?
Yes. Why is this even debated?

>>33899797
if you have a 1911 or any other firearm with actual, physical blockers in place to keep the round from firing in 5 different ways, yes

DAO Striker pistols no, ofcourse not. it might not happen the first time, it might not happen for 10 years, but you're begging for an ND having a round in a chamber of a glock without having your hands on it

>>33900130
You're full of shit

Carry a revolver and you wont have to ask, or ever worry about malfunctions.

>>33900151
>Carry a revolver and you wont have to ask, or ever worry about malfunctions.

https://youtu.be/j4BBr4wUSIg?t=257

Now watch Tom Givens, someone who has a lot of experience with revolvers tear down your opinion.

>>33900197
Best explanation ive seen.

>>33900273
He's great

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=re8oMnGbnh4

>>33900334
This is shit ive learned through my own research but have never heard instructors mention

>>33900197
His argument is that the mechanism of revolvers have more parts that can fail and that the failure of those parts cannot easily be remedied if they happen during a gunfight. Because of this, he says, revolvers are not more reliable.

The problem is that he is comparing a subset of extremely rare, catastrophic revolver malfunctions with extremely common automatic malfunctions like a misfeed that are easily remedied, while intentionally omitting the point that the very same kind of catastrophic malfunctions--trigger return springs breaking, striker plungers breaking, screws coming loose, rounds nosediving on a feed ramp, etc--can happen in automatics too.

This is also putting aside that entire categories of malfunctions like jams caused by bad ammunition, jams caused by contact shots, jams caused by firing with a bad grip or from an awkward position, jams caused by full magazines being left loaded for an extended period of time, and guns failing to fire because their owner forgot to chamber a round (this happens with depressing frequency despite how stupid of a mistake it is) do not exist in revolvers and do exist in autoloaders.

>>33900524
>spring fatigue induced malfunctions

KEK

>>33899797
>buy good holster
>if you ever re-holster a loaded gun, make sure you don't snag anything going in
>practice repetitions of drawing safely

There are plenty of videoes showing people getting fucked because they either forgot they didnt have one in the chamber, short stroke the slide, or just not have both hands available.

>>33899797
Yes unless you mexi carry like a retard. even then if you do it with a 1911 you should because it's got a fucking safety for a reason. If you're still unsure go watch videos of people carrying with no round chambered getting shot to death while trying to rack one in. There's surprisingly many.

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>>33900524
>I'm retard so I'm going to project my retard onto other people: the post

>>33900554
Yes, all of the youtubers that insist that spring damage due to compression can never happen know more than the police armorers who universally tell their officers to never leave mags fully loaded for more than 90 days.

>>33900652
Not an argument

>>33900849
Magazine wear via creep strain, what you're talking about, is only a problem if you don't actually shoot your guns. Leaving a mag compressed for a year or so will cause some reduction in spring tension. but not nearly so much as loading and unloading them regularly. You should be replacing your mag springs(like all springs...) at regular intervals.

>>33899797
https://youtu.be/0FXHVjXPtJk

>>33899820
>>33899896

http://www.gunsandammo.com/tips-tactics/debunking-the-myths-of-appendix-carry/

>>33899797
depends on the gun and method of carry. some guns are safe with this, some arent

>>33900094
because some guns are not safe to carry like that and the risk is unneccessary at all times of the day, like when you are safe at home or in a friendly location

the vast majority of modern platforms are though, and i would advise OP to pick up something modern which is drop safe and has a safe trigger, not some bubba'd single action trigger job polished to .5 lb trigger pull weight

>>33899797
>but I'm worried it could go off and hit an major artery in my thigh
Don't put your finger on the trigger until you've pulled the gun, problem solved.

Or use a gun with a manual safety.

>>33899820
T. dumb cuck who would most certainly "Glock Leg" himself

>>33899820

Don't listen to this guy, it's obvious he doesn't know shit.

>>33901303
Exprain prease. What gun is not safe to carry loaded?

>>33901321
>t. military arms channel subscriber

>>33899797
Yes. Use a big boy holster, not some crap you bought at the sporting goods store, and ride the safety down with your thumb as you holster it. Once it's in the holster the safety can disengage, it happens once in a while, but it's fine. This is why we practice trigger discipline. If you shoot yourself in the leg it's because you pulled the trigger, so if you don't trust yourself not to do that don't own guns.

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>>33901303

>>33901329
not him but if i was trying to be a prickly asshole on that subject there are technically a few.

SA revolvers without a transfer bar safety and i believe some super mic old first quarter of the 20th century and back firearms lack any kind of drop safety/FPB. Pretty unlikely that either of them would go off without some bizarre shit going down anyways tho. You really wouldn't want to appendix carry a Nambu and belly flop on to concrete either.

>>33901303
>because some guns are not safe to carry like that
Like almost all guns made today are safe for carry.

Y'know, because people got sued and stuff.

>>33901303
Are Series 70 1911s drop-safe?

>>33901523
Since they don't have the firing pin block, no.

>>33901444
i would love to see someone that CCWs a SAA in 2017. as in, i would genuinely get a kick out of it

>>33901523


Sort of. You should get an extra strength firing pin spring and a lightweight titanium FP and it would be fine.

>>33901523
It would have to drop into it's muzzle to get it to fire, so it's not likely and if it did happen it would be pointed at the ground anyways.

>>33901523
You would have to drop it from much higher than your waistline for it to go off, even with the standard FP and spring.

>>33899797
I've heard 5 people shoot their own cocks off every year.

Watch videos of convenience store and pawn shop robberies, then ask yourself, "Do I have one extra second to rack the slide?"

I said NO to shooting my own dick off, and YES to having one second of time.

That's just me...

>>33901444
>>33901444
Gun is loaded. The second you cock it(which you have to do to fire it) there is a round under the hammer.

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>>33899797

>>33901639
More people die from falling coconuts. Your argument is retarded and based on your lack of understanding in the field of mechanical engineering and basic firearm safety.

>>33899797
Yes, follow the 4 gun rules and you will be fine and make sure it's not some old wheel gat that might AD cocked and locked. Also a good holster and you will be fine. Seconds count in a gunfight

>>33901681
this.

boogerhook is your safety. I carried a sigma on condition zero minus one (because drunk) on shitty security job at storage lot.

>do you have a record?
I don't think so
>do you own your own firearm?
maybe, I guess
>are you a shitbird, or will you show up to work every time?
sure thing boss
>you're hired, find a shirt that fits

9 months driving around in a shitbox pickup with amberlights no heat, no AC, checking in, shooting at varmints with the cheapest gun I could buy (no HiPoints available).

One of the better gigs I ever had, actually.

>>33900052
This

>>33900130
I just got cancer.

>>33899797
it you dont trust yourself to not accidentally shoot yourself you shouldnt be carrying a gun.

>>33901763
Do more people have their dick knocked off by falling coconuts, faggot?

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>>33901763
>your lack of understanding in the field of mechanical engineering and basic firearm safety
nogun said what?

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>>33902071
Calling someone a noguns while posting the most memed glockleg picture on /k/ is poor form.

>>33902071
Also, buying a soft leather holster for a pistol with no safety is a perfect example of misunderstanding mechanical engineering and physics. Oh wait... Are you agreeing with me?

TBQH if you really are worried about glockleggin yourself or just want to eliminate the possibility then carry a firearm with a safety or don't carry one at all.

>>33901544
I might open carry a Blackhawk.

>>33901329
>>33901435
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fn6GFSwTEw

>>33903847
Don't buy a shitty gun. Problem solved

>>33903847
Holy shit lmao

>>33903847
>buying taurus plastic
>buying taurus revolvers
>buying taurus anything but Beretta clones with aftermarket replacement magazines

Why do you guys love apendix iwb carry so much? You act like it's the only choice or something.

>>33899797
Listen to this guy explain it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yy5e30ynJn4

>>33901523
I'm pretty sure JMB added the grip safety because the US Army Calvary wanted it to be drop safe

>>33901851
>I carried a sigma on condition zero minus one
>Not carrying condition fabric

What are you, some sort of fag?

>>33904761
Its the best choice for most people in most situations.

>>33904810
Paul Harrell ftw. kek

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Trigger discipline you retarded faggot. For a properly functioning 1911 to go off you must do the following
>Take the safety off
>Depress the grip safety
>Pull the trigger

If you can't keep yourself from doing these things you're too stupid to own a gun.

>>33902312
or maybe just get a quality kydex holster... problem solved

>>33904761
There isn't anything wrong with it.

If you want to complain about a carry type, complain about Mexican carry, stuffing a gun without a holster in the inside of your pants, yeah, a gun without retention with the muzzle perilously close to, or pointing straight at, your genitals. I mean I know a gun doesn't fire by itself but MAN is the idea of flagging my junk at all times not a fun one, "Do not point your gun at things you do not wish to destroy".

I wonder how many poor fuckers have horribly mutilated themselves because they were too dumb to not draw with their finger on the trigger? I mean y'all have seen Tex Grebner shot his flabby leg while drawing (and his gun had a manual safety so he can't even blame it on le Glock Leg")

>>33905594
>If a retard shoots himself, no one is safe.

This is what your post reads like.

>>33899797
Well, it is taught that you should always treat every gun as if it were loaded. Now you feel more reason to practice that principle even more.

>>33905833
>implying everyone here isnt retarded

>>33900197
Sorry, I call bullshit. Other than literal simple machines like a wedge or a pulley, revolvers are among the most simple and reliable machines mankind has ever invented. The odds of one failing are astronomical, and of one failing at a critical moment, even more so.

>>33901639
>I've heard 5 people shoot their own cocks off every year.
And of those five, how many are ghetto niggers keeping a glawk fawty in their waistband so they can look all gangsta and shit?

>>33900334
>pop gun, dasz all it is, is a drill

Was impressed till I heard that.

>>33899981
>transfer bar that blocks the firing pin from the primer
That's literally the opposite off what a transfer bar does, dumbass.

Nobody can make the decision for you

You'll have to come up by yourself how much you value having a short time between drawing a firearm and firing it versus the trade off of you accidentally firing your weapon unintentionally.

The more barriers you remove between you and firing, the faster you'll be able to shoot, in addition to being able to react with one only one hand, but also increases the likelihood you'll negligently discharge your weapon.

I personally carry with round chambered, safety on, hammer down. Having said that, I've never drawn my weapon, nor have I ever been in a situation where I felt that I might need to draw my weapon. If I did I'd probably just go with safety off hammer down.

>>33899797
>carrys something that doesnt have a firing pin block

>>33906411
You're the kind of scum that caries an 80s series, aren't you?

>carrying a 1911
>any year including 1911
Kill yourselves

>>33899797
What beavertail is that?

>>33900334

Can you do that with higher calibers like .45?

I would even be reluctant to try with my G19 like he did.

>>33899797
>1911
>grip safety
>will shoot me in the thigh
Get out

>>33899797

When I first started carrying, I did not carry with a round in the chamber.

I carry a glock, was afraid of it magically going off and killing me. During that time, I'd rack the slide before putting the mag in, and during that time I carried for a few months and never had any issue. That alone already made me feel much safer, I started leaning towards carrying a round in the chamber.... Same time all this was going down, YouTube was only a few months old, after seeing a few vids of people not being able to rack the slide for like 20 billion reasons, it def made me start carrying with a round in the pipe.

All that with lots of practice drawing, aiming, dry firing and holstering really help, that with doing the same with the gun actually loaded helped even more. Now like 11 yrs later, I wouldn't be caught dead without a round in the chamber.

Do what ever you want, I'm not your dad and can't make this decision for you.

>>33899797
Get a decocker model

>>33906526
some poorly fitted aftermarket one

>>33900130
Mother fucking Danny phantom over here, sticking his fingers inside people's holsters and pulling the triggers on their glocks.

>>33900130
This is bullshit. Untill a Glock's triggers are pulled, there's not enough stored energy to hit a primer hard enough to set it off, even if all three internal safeties failed.

>>33899816

I advise carrying at least two in the chamber, that way your odds are better than 50/50 to get a hit

>>33906411
get a titanium pin and a spring that has a heavier requirement than the weight of the pin if you are that worried we will suddenly have Jupiter gravity when you perfectly drop the gun on it's barrel and have a flawed pin/ spring interface.

>>33903847
>shake gun
>BOOM
>Safety On
>Shake
>BOOM
aw shit that's hilarious.
This can't be true. Someone tell me he did some dumb shit to the gun to do that.

>>33903847
just dont flap around like a fish and youll be fine

>>33899797
Condition 3 has two purposes:
>ignoring gun safeties
for older guns with hard to disengage safeties and/or lacking drop safety
>ability to unload gun without brandishing
for people that live in places where carry laws force you to have it unloaded in certain situations

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If you can't rack a slide in half a second you're a fucking retarded piece of shit who shouldn't be allowed to carry

>>33905833
>I can't read good
And that's how yours sounds. Where in his post did he imply that anyone who isn't retarded is in danger?

>>33900130
You want to know how I know you've never shot a Glock?

>>33908736
Nah, it was a completely fucked production run. They solved it afterwards.

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>>33908990
god damn i hate that geriatric bitch and her slimy globalist hook-nosed soon-to-be-frog-president husband

>>33899797
carry it loaded but half cocked then

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>>33906913
>carrying two in the chamber
Hell yeah man.

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>>33899797
If you carry like an Israeli will you be able to get enough to grip to rack the slide with cheeto fingers?

>>33908926
I carry condition two (LCRx in .357) and this guy gets it. Used to condition three an older Colt Official Police which was finnicky when I tried to do condition two (this and the fact that .41LC brass was impossible to find were what led me to get the LCRx)

>>33899797
if thats you carry gun you need to either carry cocked and locked or find another gun to carry with a heavy trigger. dont be a pussy or dont carry at all.

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>>33901851
>condition zero minus one (because drunk)

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>>33900524
>jams caused by full magazines being left loaded for an extended period of time

>>33900849
You better put your car up on blocks when you park then, or you'll wear out your suspension springs.

>>33899852
underrated needs more (you)

>>33899896
What holsters did you use for the pistols? The revolver should be fine since it's a long, heavy DA pull

>>33908736
He did something dumb... Using a Taurus.

>>33909390
>They solved it afterwards.
Question is for how long is it gonna be okay.
As wear and tear happens, it will most likely happen again, both for 24/7's and PT 6xx's

>>33913745
Do you even know how a suspension works? The springs in your typical setup are only compressed either when going over a bump or if the suspension has been badly maintained and the hydraulics have failed due to fluid leakage.

>>33904761
Its because most of these people on here are either skeletor or fucking land whales the dont leave their house/dont own guns

I used to AIWB carry for years, then i hit my late 20s and stopped doing as many sit ups. Gained some extra lbs and now its 4oclock IWB. Still carry AIWB when i need yoo but 4oclock is more comfy.

>>33899896
>implying you'd be alive if you had

>>33906005
>Was impressed till I heard that.

He explains in his classes that most people that get shot by handguns survive. ~3,300 people get shot in Memphis one year, only 10% of them die. This is why he uses the term "pop gun"

If you want to get even more madder, he uses a .40.

>>33900094
>because some guns are not safe to carry like that

Then get a gun that IS safe to carry like that and be cool. When I worked in fugitive recovery I carried 3 different P226s (.357, .40SW, West German 9mm) and a Sig 1911 all constantly with a round in the chamber. Running, sprinting, hoping fences, wrestling people, sitting in the car for several hours, office work.. Never had a single accidental discharge of my handguns while CCW'ing or Open Carrying them. My partner carried a glock, I don't like them, but he never had an issue either.

If you're worried so much that you don't trust your gun, either stop carrying or get a better one. If you're scared of your own gun, how will you use it responsibly when adrenaline pumps and you need to defend yourself?

>>33899797
automatic holster work well from what ive heard. nothing chambered in holster, you push down on the gun to unlock holster top and charge a round at the same time

>>33899797
>get good kydex holster that covers most of gun
>adjust retention screws
>???
>never ND

just make sure you lift up your shirt really far and maintain trigger discipline on the draw and you're fine

i recommend practicing with an UNLOADED gun