sopmod new urg

>>33897673
>implying that is an mk8

>>33897754
That's not the point, You moron.

It simply depicts m-lok rail

>>33897673
Why is SOCOM so fucking dumb?
>14.5 with mid length gas.
WHY carbine is fine, it's worked for 60+ years.
>Full length rail.
WHY? it's just added weight.
If SOCOM was smart, they run bullpups with 18" to 20" barrels, use HK32's for spooky shit and use 10mm as their handgun.

>>33897827
>itll be a mk8 because i say so
why? there are scores of mlok rails to choose from. it will come down to who will fulfill their requirements the cheapest

>>33897907
You're fucking dumb.

>>33897907
>Why is SOCOM so fucking dumb

That's right. People with more deployments apiece than your mom has sucked dicks should listen to a skinny-wristed college kid shitposting on an Australian banana farming board.

>>33897934
Geissele already supply socom with its m-lok rails

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>>33897948
hes right though, 14.5 carbine is fine

>>33897954
>some tard who runs around the sandbox inherently knows more than a civ just because they have a uniform
kek, no.

>>33897968
they do not

>>33897974
here's a pic of 1st sfod-d with their 416s and geissele rails

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/22/af/64/22af64c9f4ec36a8dd6a0ec2dc59efc2.jpg

>>33897954
I've played in the sandbox a bit. Rule #1 of debate, if you can't make any point except ad hominem's you've lost. And #2 wipe the operator cum off your mouth it's embarrassing.
So here's the logic.
>Bullpups
SOCOM is 90% CQB and bullpups rule at this.
>HK32
A 7.62x39 MP5 style rifle makes all kinds of sense. For suppressed use, and spooky use.
>10mm
Imagine a Mk.23 10mm handgun, a true offensive handgun that can reach out and touch your ass.

>>33897948
not an argument

>>33897974
>socom
>NSWC
>"tards"

No anon, you are the tard.

>>33898216
Offensive handguns are retarded and you should feel real fucking bad.

>>33898330
You are REALLY fucking dumb you know that.

>>33898216
>bullpup
they want something that they can swap onto their lowers. they could take a cqc upper and slap it onto a mk12 or m4a1 sopmod lower with no issues.
>hk32
why the hell would any us command use russian rounds? sorry but that really is just plain dumb.
>10mm
socom already fielded the mk23 and ruled it a disaster. there's no point having a overly heavy secondary. plus having an offensive handgun would negate your bullpup argument.

>>33898409
>lower slap.
The AR system is a fucking train wreck, its corrupt procurement is STILL an issue, it would be like the Air Force still using the F4 and told they cant upgrade.
>Using Russian ammo.
There are many reasons to use 7.62x39, it performs better than .300 memeout, deniability, and the ability to use captured ammo/mags.

>>33898409
Oh, forgot handgun.
The Mk23 is still in use, and many SEAL' s liked it, and the ability to take out sentry's with a handgun is very valuable, and 10mm can be hotrodded for AP use.

>>33898521
>>33898549
>The AR system is a fucking train wreck
Opinion discarded

>>33898521
>The AR system is.....
this sounds a lot like opinion. if it's broke, they'd fix it. case in point scar 16; didn't live up to expectations, so they ended the contract.
>use captured ammo/mags.
you realize that they the ak they use are captured right? there's no reason to lug an ak out to their region of operations when they're gonna get ordnance after their first op.
>>33898549
>handgun
so socom is gonna start supplying their teams with 10mm handguns. that way when they run out of 10mm rounds, they won't be able to be resupplied by the nearest nato force. good plan anon.

your logistics are fucked dude. fix yourself.

>>33898618
>.45ACP is a NATO round.
What universe is this?

>>33898618
>logistics
>SOCOM snowflake rifle.
Wow, mental gymnastics gold right here.

>>33898216
>played in the sandbox

So you did a deployment? As what, food service specialist? Judging by your retarded statements I can say with great confidence that you have never been in combat.

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>gashole

>>33898646
>10mm vs 9mm
as opposed to using their mk23 in 10mm instead of their 9mm p226.

>>33897673
thats pretty funny to me. the reason being add a sopmod stock and geissele tirgger and 75% of /arg/ has a rifle configured exactly like this, including myself.
>ahead of the clone curve

>dem features
/arg/ is right again.
>>33897907
14.5 middy is GOAT, get rekt you fucking pleb.

>>33898673
You can't refute ANY of my points except ad hominem's and you don't provide ANY counter arguments.
I've used a M16A4 and can tell you time after time the fucker malf'd on me so you're saying the M4 is more reliable even as it's getting pushed out by piston designs through proxy because Senate is corrupt as fuck? Dude keep stroking your safe queen.

>>33898828
>not used by any military.
Yes, GOAT indeed. The problem with AR's are the rabid fanboys that have only shot 100 rounds at the range and declare their rifles reliable.

>>33898931
Looks like it's getting used by a military soon enough. The best one too. :^

Post your AR fag.

>>33898931
You mean like the fanboys of AKs and just about every other rifle and handgun out there?

>>33898906
>I used a poorly maintained rifle with poor QC and wonder why it was less reliable than a safe queen.

Neat.

>>33898906
>used a M16A4
nice musket. did you have to get a new ramrod at the px?

>>33898906
>USMC buying a piston rifle because they don't want to use the same rifle as the US Army

Neat.

>>33898906
>stupid retard admitting he couldn't keep the most reliable of AR setups going
Pottery

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>>33898941
I've got Spikes I'm building right now, and another upper for this one.
>1/8 20" .223 Wylde.

>>33898216
>7.62x39 is subsonic
>durr we need an offensive handgun even though we are equipped with bullpup CQB King!!!!11XD
>unironically using the word "imagine" with regards to foreseeable future of US SOCOM equipment
>uniroically using the term "played in the sandbox" to describe a nebulous deployment and combat history that never happened

Kill your self

>>33899012
>most reliable.
>still failed.
10/10 for mental gymnastics.

>>33898906
New guy to the argument here. Career military, longevity retired.

6 deployments as infantry. Gulf War, Afghanistan twice, then Iraq 2.0 3x. Tens of thousands of rounds fired in anger across M16A2, M16A4, and M4. 0 malfunctions not related to fucked mags, and 0 malfunctions of any kind with the M16A4 or M4 because the Army realized about halfway through Desert Shield they needed to issue new mags prior to a deployment and not send soldiers over with clapped out 30+ year old training mags.

>>33899048
>blaming the rifle for an inept operator

>>33899048
>no true Scotsman
>says others ad hom implying logical fallacy and attempting to discredit them

Wow

>>33899053
>tens of thousands of rounds fired in anger

Yeah I'm going to have call BS on that one.

And now we know why Hodge Defense burst onto the scene in 2014, LOL

Probably a retired operator running the show

>>33899038
You probably shouldn't have posted this

>>33899046
>What is the US for $100?

>>33899084
Why?

>>33898906
I can smell the bullshit from here faggot. Post a timestamped DD214 or shut the fuck up.

>>33899078
>6 deployments
>Gulf War, early stages of A-stan and GW2 electric boogaloo
Our turret gunners fired tens of thousands of rounds in a single deployment in 06-07, it's entirely possible that across SIX FUCKING YEARS OF COMBAT a rifleman could do it when all of them were during the Wild West phases of 3 separate wars.

>>33899060
>inept operator.
The ONLY way to ensure a AR's operation is heavy lubracation, which is BAD in sandy conditions.

>>33899096
Because when someone says "post ar", the idea is post a good one.

>>33898828
>testing to see if midlength is worth fielding
>testing
>confirmed goat!!!1
god your dumb

>>33899107
Yeah we're talking about m4's and m16's, not turret mounted beltfeds you goalpost flopping retard. I still challenge the statement that an infantryman fired tens of thousands of rounds in combat even after 6 deployments.

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>>33899038
>A4 clone
>Doesn't even have a TA31RCO to go with it
>Spikes
Don't ever speak to me again. You get a goatman for wasting my time.

>>33899139
>A4 clone
Please kys

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>>33897907
>WHY carbine is fine, it's worked for 60+ years.

WHY rifle is fine, it has literally worked for 60 years

Go fuck yourself you dumbfuck. You don't know shit.

>>33899153
What would you call a flat top rifle length AR with A2 furniture and a gov profile barrel

>>33899173
>1/8
>223 wylde
>no rails
ITS A CLONE

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>>33899098
I can't find it, and don't want to go digging.

>>33899173
>What would you call a flat top rifle length AR with A2 furniture and a gov profile barrel?

A flat top rifle length AR with A2 furniture and a gov profile barrel.

>>33899202
It is you just chose to go about it in the most retarded and poorfag manner possible

>>33899202
Did you not read my post?
>I have another upper, it's a 1/8 20" .223 Wylde.

>>33899038
>Spikes
>1/8 .223 wylde
Oh jesus dude
>>33899173
In his case it's a total abortion poverty build

>>33899167
>"worked"
>kept because losing it would make a Senator loose votes.
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/the-usas-m4-carbine-controversy-03289/

>>33898216

You know how I know you don't have any guns?

You post this retarded nosense

>>33899259
>Spikes
Literally nothing wrong.
>.223 Wylde.
Superior to literally every other type.

>>33898521

>Corrupt procurement
>Springfield Armory wasn't the most corrupt organization which is why McNamara killed it.

The only reason the M16 is always trying to be replaced is some pogue-ass General needs a retirement gig at H&K or FN.

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>>33899038

not only did you fail at making an m16a2 clone because you used a detachable carry handle, but you unironically think it was a good decision to get a fixed stock ar-15 with a 20" barrel length

yucky

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>>33899273
Oh for fucks sake.

Midlength or carbine 14.5

>>33898906

No you didn't

You are a 14 year old kid because only a fucking tard would say a 7.62x39mm MP5 wold be a good choice.

>>33899303
Mid-length for both 14,5 and 16

>>33899297
1.I like irons.
2. Maybe one day I'll slap a optic on there.
>fixed carry handle.
Dude, the 80's called, they want you back.

>>33899302
Oh holy fuck are you serious with this trash heap?

>>33899209
Stay out of your Dad's office pogue bitch

>>33899311
AN HK32. Which is a HK33 chamberd in 7.62x39.

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>>33899320
What about 14" carbine?

http://ballisticadvantage.com/14-inch-556-hanson-carbine-cmv-performance-barrel.html

>>33899302

look at this poorfag

>>33899329
>I'm too poor for a worthwhile optic which is why the fanciest one I have is an Eotech relic that had battery contact issues to all oblivion

>>33899289
>there is literally nothing wrong with having a rifle with two penises on it, so long as it's cheap enough

>>33899334
>noguns!
>trashcans!
>movingthegoalposts.jpg

>>33899329
>Dude, the 80's called, they want you back

Have you seen your fucking handguard?

>>33899363
I never said you were noguns, just laughing at this collection of poverty. That HK is a C93 right?

>>33899336
>hurr post proof.
>stay out of your dad's office.
My dad has been dead since 2003, And I have a shitload of papers and don't want to search through them for a assmad 14 year old.

>>33899376
Yes, I'll admit it, but it IS fun and works.
But the stock is HK, and my mags are too.

>>33897673
i guess they like fireballs and suppressors and inferior ballistics

>>33899350
I'd avoid 14.5" carbine, it wears bolt faster. Military doesn't care, military has a lot of bolts.
Get 14.5"/16" middy for a fun gun.
18" rifle for competition.

>>33899371
Try rapid fire with a rail, I didn't like it.
And yes, I COULD change it out, but would rather swap uppers.

>>33899532
>>33899371

>detachable carry handle on failed m16a2 clone
>complains rail isn't good for rapid firing
>uses a 20 inch barrel fixed stock AR-15 for rapid firing
>his other ar-15 is a mo-tard desert marpat furniture AR-15 with an ultra thick quadrail
>what is a foregrip

you can't even make this shit up

>>33897673
They are literally just gathering data

>>33899532
>try rapid fire with a rail

What is this supposed to mean? I have, so now have not only outed yourself as having a vanilla rifle, you also have delicate velvet child hands.

>>33899626
>military has proven detach irons work or ANY BUIS is trash.
>Run with Knights Armament rail.
It gets hot.
>Rapid Fire for M16.
20 rounds per minute?
>motard AR.
Fuck off, I like it.
>Foregrip.
Don't like them.

>>33899666
Have you EVER unloaded 200+ rounds in less than 5 minutes? Go to a carbine course.

>>33899645
Is this the 7.62x39 AR?
What's bolt life like?

>>33899705
Faggot, have you ever seen someone use a A2 handguard a carbine course? No, they're chock full of mlok, keymod, and quad rails.

Your opinions are truly as dogshit as your abortion of an AR.

>>33898216
Rolling a tonka truck around at the park isn't "played in the sandbox a bit"

>>33899720
What makes you think it's 7.62?

>>33899817
the mag secured to the side makes it look like one single long mag. the other guy didn't realize that it's two mags TACTICAL UPSIDEDOWN held together. somehow.

>>33899754
I've done it, and rails DO get hot as people slap forgrips on them. And a A4 clone isn't garbage.

>>33899846
Oh, sorry didn't click the pic, why have mags jungle style?

>>33899862
that's what gloves are for you pussy

>>33899862
It's not even a A4 clone considering IT DOESNT HAVE A M5 RAS, A QUAD RAIL, YOU DUMB BASTARD.

>>33899870
>>33899870
>>33899870
TACTICOOL!

depending on situation and the shooter's preferred drill makes reloading a bit smoother without having to fumble in pouches as often. I think its dumb and exposes the mags to fouling, but to each his own. whatever is comfy for him is key

>>33899862

>"""Clone"""
>No KAC rail at least
>No KAC vfg

Confirmed for not a clone you twat

>>33899135
Are you seriously this big of a retard? This must be bait. 10,000 rounds is only like 330 mags fully loaded. Easily accomplished you fucking pogue faggot.

>>33899983
>thinks firing 330 magazines of 556 in combat across 6 pumps is a regular occurrence.

>calls pogs "pouges"

This is interesting bait

Pardon my ignorance /k/ but what does a midlength gas system, lower bolt velocity, and improved dwell time mean?

>>33900133
Finally a non retard.
>midlenghth gas
A meme, as the name suggests a midlenghth gas system is between a rifle length. The rifle length gas system has the most dwell time and runs the coolest.
A Carbine system is the shortest, has the least dwell time, and blows hotter gas into the BCG. Now, this puts strain on the bolt and burns off lube but is best for SBR's.
>dwell time.
The dwell time is the time the bullet leaves the barrel and when the gas impinges on the bolt. Now where the controversy begins is due to idiots overgassing their AR's and blaming the tube length, this could be easily solved by not using steel case, but /k/ would rather spend money on tacticool shit than good ammo.

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>>33897907
>>33898216
>>33898618
>>33898906
>>33899053
>>33899107

Solid top tier shit posting

>>33900289
>Meme meme meme meme memememememememememe

Consider suicide.

>>33899705
>>33899862
You have to be one of the biggest retards this board's seen in a while.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLuU6NY2LTY

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>>33897991
I'm not an ant, post better pic. Also, those are HK's

>>33900699
HK416's, like he said. With Geissele rails on them.

>>33899302
Wow that is crap. You could've built a proper suppressed mk18 clone for half of what you put into this dump. lmao throw it all away

I want to build the gucciest AR. I want an mk18. Should i build one with the current DD ris 2 or wait till they pick a geiselle?

>>33900792
Wait till pics come out of the new ones

>>33897991
geissele is the OEM for HK's rails you fuckbucket

>>33900730
>>33900730
too, see
>>33901407

So is the new block III a Geissele MK8 and 14.5 midlength barrel?

>>33901555
Yes. Hop on it now and sell me your DD RIS ii rail.

>>33900730
The reason I said they are HK's(and posted HD pic) is because Guyzley is the OEM. Your entire point is wrong.

>>33901664
Geissele supplies HK with rails, that HK supplies to SOCOM. This means that Geissele supplies rails to SOCOM. Just because HK is acting as the middle man doesn't mean the rail is in any way different.

>>33897673
Huh. That rail is the same one I have on my AR. Neat.

>>33901714
congratulations, your AR is shit

>>33901701
the implication in the post was that SOCOM chose the geissele rails separately for the 416's they bought.

>>33901724
I dunno. I think SOCOM could pick a new rail if they wanted one.

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>>33900289
14.5 might be sbr by legal definitions, but its still a long rifle. My rifle is 14.5 midgas and its absolutely smoother than a 14.5 carbine

no major reliability issues, good consistent ejection patteb

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>>33900289
>midlength
>a meme
Carbine pleb detected.

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>>33898549
>Mk23 is still in use, and many SEAL' s liked it

>>33900050
>10 mags a firefight
>one firefight a week
Not him, but it doesn't even take a full deployment to get to that round count if it's a bad enough one, like 2005 bad. I know a guy who used 2 1151's loads of .50, every round of 5.56 he had for his saw, and 2 mags for his M9 in one firefight, so it's not like there weren't some intense fights.

>inb4 belt feds
The point is that the fighting was heavy.

'SCUSE ME!

What rail is in the OP?

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>>33903808
Bump.
I need to know...

>>33903808
>>33903980
geissele

>>33903808
some psa shit

>>33904056
no

>>33904056
>>33904079
I can't find it on PSA or Geissele.
Still looking around though, thank you!

>>33904151
it comes on some prebuilt psa uppers

>>33904190
Just went through the whole catalog and no luck, oh well.

>>33898216
great bait

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Wouldn't there be reliability issues with a 14.5" midlength? I like the look though

>>33904462
hell no, mid length is best for 14.5

>>33899302
such a disgusting ar on the left

>>33897907
Either delectable bait or some of the most retarded shit i've ever seen somebody sa-

>>33899209

Oh, everything suddenly makes sense.

>>33898216

>socom is 90% CQB
Nope.

>bullpups rule at this
Not really. Certainly not if your operators have been running another rifle with totally different ergos for their entire careers.

>HK 32 something something 762
If by all kinds of sense you mean less sense than an AR in .300 black out or any 9mm SMG then yea totally.

>10mm Offensive Handgun MAY MAY

Jesus christ this is stupid. First of all there's a reason the Mk.23 sees almost no use by operators these days, hell a lot of seals are getting tired of even lugging around 226s. Reaching out and touching things is what rifles are for. Offensive weapons use is what rifles are for. Your handgun is a last ditch weapon for when you're out of rifle ammo or it's shit the bed so hard you cant get it back in action. 10mm ball isn't even going to offer much advantage over 9mm ball on soft targets. You'd get more improvement out of transitioning from ball to JHPs.

Oh yea and MUHRINE, the reason they're looking at mid length gas systems is because the new m855a1 is loaded tardedly hot and tends to eat BCGs alive. Presumably they're trying to offset that.

>>33904766
not to mention middy's are better at literally everything except, possibly, staying operable when not properly maintained and/or extremely dirty

>>33904802
Is reliability that much of an issue? I figure a suppressor would alleviate most of it with the extra back pressure

>>33904897
Frankly couldn't answer that, don't know the intricacies of running an AR platform suppressed. very good point though, that'd make it much less of a concern for SOCOM types.

>>33904802
>>33904897
>>33905056
So would a carbine gas system be better for an unsuppressed 14" barrel?

>>33905541
Frankly id go with a middy unless this rifle is meant for some sort of science project where you shove dirt in the BCG every range trip and never clean the thing to see what happens.