Just came back from the range, shooting a rental M14 and it's

>>33892701
I own a garand. Some advantages are everything the CMP provides, from rifle to you door to greek buyback surplus ammuntion. Not entirely versed on the M14, but I know it has a thriving community which you can gleam much from, much like arfcom.

>>33892701
I'd go for the M1, it's a wonderful rifle and if you go through the simple process of getting in with the CMP you can get a special grade for around 1k which is basically a brand new M1 Garand. Hell there's even a company that makes clip pouches for MOLLE if you want to tactically ping.

>>33892701
I wouldn't recommend learning to shoot on a .308 platform. That, however, is another discussion. If I had to pick between the two, the M1.

http://thecmp.org/cmp_sales/rifle_sales/m1-garand/

>>33892701
Split the difference and get a Mini-14.

inb4 100+ posts of AR fanboys sperging out because the universe contains an alternative to their raifu.

Drop some money on a Socom 16.

>>33892843
>Drop some money on a Socom 16.

>Recommending dropping *any* money on Springfield Armory.
Somebody get the stake, we have a heretic on our hands.

>>33892857
>>33892843
The rifle I shot was actually a Socom 16, it was nice but I'd much rather have wood furniture for my raifu

>>33892701
Save up your money and get an LRB or a JRA

>>33892701
I own and love both. 2 dollars for enbloc clips. 30 dollars for good m14 mags.

>>33892816

mini 14s are trash guns though why would you recommend that of all things? pencil lead thin barrel and all that jazz

>>33892897
Also if you get a 30-06 m1 you will have a harder time finding ammo

>>33892886
Scout Squad then.

>>33892922
A $10 gas plug allows you to shoot any 30-06

>>33892922
>>33892995
Just about every 150gr load running around 2800fps is safe to fire out of unmodified rifles.
When you get outside that range is when you need to pay attention.

>>33892917
>Mini 14.
>Trash.
That's not how you spell AR15 anon.

Are you from Houston by any chance? Springfield had an event this weekend at the range I go to with free rentals and they had a socom. Front heavy son of a bitch but still pretty neat.

>>33892917
>pencil lead thin barrel and all that jazz
Which they fixed a dozen years ago, making those complaints only slightly less out of date than fears about modern ARs jamming constantly because 'Nam-era M-16s did.

>>33893068
where at in houston and how much does it cost?

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>>33893068
Honestly frontheavy because of all the garbage RAILZ they strap on the front.

The scout squad balances at the magwell.

>>33892701
Norinco M305 ;^)

>>33893119
At Boyert in Katy. Not the cheapest place but really nice store. Don't remember the price tag for that gun.

>>33892701
Yep, they are really cool rifles. I'm a huge fanboy.

But that said in all honesty don't be afraid to try a few different ones before putting your cash down though. An M1A is very expensive and other M14geries are even costlier.

Try out the AR-15, AK series (ideally in 7.62x39mm and 5.45mm), PTR-91, maybe a FAL variant if you can find one before putting your money down.

>Which variant of the M1/M14 is the best?
An LRB receiver built out with TRW surplus USGI parts. But if you're going to spend that kind of money you can get a SCAR-17S much easier for less and it'll be a better rifle.

Modern M1As do cut corners. If I had to buy one I'd get a Scout Squad personally. However, if you're patient seek out the lowest serial-# M1A you can and learn how to spot USGI parts. If you get an early 1990s/1980s M1A with all USGI parts those are really well made. Not too expensive either. A new M1A is around $1500, a used one with USGI parts usually sells for more but sometimes as little as 1-1.3K if the seller doesn't know what he/she has.

Now if you want to spend a little more $$ on a nicer rifle without scrounging for an old M1A get one of the James River Armory models. They have forged receivers and decent quality parts. They do however cost around 2k, which is a lot of money. It's a better deal than LRB which starts around 2.3k for a basic bitch model.
>Is the M1 worth the inconvenience of lacking a box magazine?
Shoot one yourself. I owned one and (it's heresy I know) didn't like it that much. I felt it was too muzzle heavy and the en-bloc clip loading system kind of annoyed me. Then again the one I had was really stiff and the op rod needed a serious pounding to pick up the first cartridge.

>>33893336
Probably around 1.5-1.7k. They are expensive.
>>33892816
>>33892917
>>33893118
I think the Mini-14 is a good gateway drug for the Garand style rifles. They can be picked up super cheap if you look around. Old models (Serial# 180-195) do have thin barrels and aren't very accurate after the first 5 shots if fired rapidly.

New models (580-584 prefix) are much improved due to having thicker barrels and better front sights. The rear sights are hot garbage and must be replaced with an aftermarket one if you intend to use them at all. Past that, they are relatively expensive if bought new, around $700-800. However, they can be found used for $650 or even less sometimes.
They are highly durable and given good magazines quite reliable. Definitely not picky with ammo. Accuracy is mediocre at best, but boy are they fun to shoot. Generally speaking, people talk trash until they get a chance to actually shoot one and then they don't want to set it down.

Save your money and get a Fulton Armory.

>>33892701
If i were going to buy an m1a, i would buy the 20inch barrel with a wooden stock because its the only one thats not pig disgusting and there is no reason to go with 16 inch over 20.

>>33893377
>20"
You must mean 22"

Also you can get an 18, which has the same gas system as the standard 22".

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>>33892701

Build a m14 as close to the military spec you can get; LRB or James River Armory barreled receiver and a USGI parts kit. Goes together like legos and is only a few hundred more expensive than an all cast Springfield that's barely even has any US made parts on it.

>>33893401
Youre right, i was thinking of the VEPR

Do be aware that Springfield just helped sponsor another gun control bill in Illinois so please if you get one get it used.

>>33893473
*get one made by them

>>33893417
>M14
>Goes together like legos
you're a fuckwit

>>33892795
>Hell there's even a company that makes clip pouches for MOLLE if you want to tactically ping.

Not OP, but please tell me more.

Nevermind, found them.
http://olongapooutfitters.com/equipment-and-gear/garand-cartridge-belt/

>>33892857
All three of my 1911s are from Springfield. Whatchu gonna do about it, senpai?

>>33892808
Yes, but aren't the surplus M1s running out? I occasionally see them for sale on arms list for a good price. I even saw one that came with 200 clips and 30-06 ammo to go with it for $1200. I think it was even a Springfield.

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>not getting the superior BM 59
I thought you weren't such a pleb OP...

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>>33893996
The BM59 is a very nice rifle and arguably the best continuation of the M1 Garand but it has a real problem. The damn magazines cost nearly a 100 dollars a piece right now. The BM59 has some absolutely wonderful magazines that are heinously overbuilt but that is a huge kick in the nuts when it comes to buying one.
Honestly if I could swing the money I would have Shuff Parkerizing build me a magazine fed M1 just because it looks really damn nice, either that or the Mini-G because the idea of short ping is pretty damn appealing.

>>33894127
I'd only do that to a Fulton repro. Bubba'ing a nugget is bad enough, but a wartime Garand?

>>33893068
>>33893302
>>33893473
Springfield donated money to antigun politicians and antigun groups through IFMA.
Buy it used or don't buy it at all, gun stores all across the country are dropping their products and their is a general boycott on their products

>>33894198
you think they would have learned from what happened to s&w in the 90s

fucking retards

>>33894198

I thought it was BS, but the big LGS near where I live has literally all of their Springfield stuff out on the floor right now marked down to shit. I bet they are trying to recoup anything they can from the product. Still ain't buying it tho.

>>33894127
$50 dollars from SARCO
http://www.e-sarcoinc.com/bm59.aspx

A manufacturer of M-14 mags is coming out with BM-59 aftermarket mags - check-mate ind. thanks to the large influx of builds from JRA and the like into the market

>>33894228
A ton of stores have marked down their Springfield product to at cost pricing and have canceled all future orders/shipments from springfield. Go check out Springfields facebook page, basically everyone is shitting all over their PR damage control and calling for boycott.
Several have already contacted HSprodukt and Imbel to warn them that their importer is being boycotted by basically the entire gun consumer community in the US, and to ask them to switch to EAA, or Century, etc

>>33894206
It's even worse because S&W and Ruger were corporations - it's to damned easy to sack a CEO or kick out a board member.
Springfield is a privately held company with an owner(s), which means we need to boycott until they go under or sell.
You kick out HSprodukt and Imbel from under them and they'll be defunct in 2 months

>>33892886
socom 16 is shite, get a scout squad or a full size

>>33894228
Examples were made of S&W and Ruger - and the two have largely rehabilitated their image through new ownership/boards/management.
Unfortunately that can't happen with Springfield - they are an importer, and they pulled this shit because gunscare season is over for at least 8 years. A terrifying example - total destruction of their business - needs to be made of these hacks so no one else tries the same dickery

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>E2 stock
>nothing to put it in

Shit sucks man

>>33892922
there's two kinds of gas plugs you can buy to counteract the modern higher pressured ammo.

There's the schuster where you adjust screws to calibrate the kind of ammo you're using.

Then there's the ported plug that doesn't require you to do anything, it just has more space in the plug to allow a bit more accommodation for the higher spike in gas pressure, but it isn't as optimizable as the schuster.

Even with the plugs, you still need to make sure parts are well lubricated with good grease since the major problem is the op rod takes a lot of abuse.

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>>33892701
Troy M1A MCS Custom
Looks Cool but very heavy.

>>33894198
No one gives a shit about Illinois. If a gun company makes something I want and they happened to screw over people in a state I don't live in, then I don't give a shit.

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>>33892816

>>33895272
>troy

no

>>33895272
>very heavy

EBR setups usually are.

>>33895169
Or you just get buyback Greek milsurp.

>>33895272
>>33895433
It's a heavy as fuck rifle in general.
My chink M14 is my bench queen which is great because it's pretty comfy to shoot tons of rounds without having the recoil tire me out too much but I wouldn't see myself using it for a lot more than that.

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I have the scout squad and it's an awesome shooter. I have the old Mossy Oak camo stock for maximum fuddstyle

>>33895435
that's the thing, milsurp dries up eventually.

>>33893996
>>33894127
>>33894235
>Classic has BM-59s for 1200
>Oh man I need one
>Cast
FUCK

>>33895321
that's cool. you sound like a basic nigger

>>33895686
I want the "cast receivers are shit" meme to die. Anyone who actually believes that Cast receivers are worse or weaker than forged is a retard

>>33892701
So want an m1 badly but I can't find a decent club near atlanta

>>33892701
The BM59 is one of the best variants imo.
>Parts kits available for $400
>receiver available for $400
>Can be assembled at home or have a gunsmith do it for yah
>7.62 NATO, 20 round box fed
>Is literally a modernized garand for the time
>Costs less than a Garand and an M1A if assembled by yourself or have connections with the local gunsmith
The problem however is that the mags are expensive

OP, your best bet would be a Fulton Armory or LRB if you want an M14. Avoid Springfield like the plague; not only are they shitty, 4+MOA guns not even made to spec, but Springfield also sold out gun owners to gun grabbers.
M1 is fine too, desu

>>33896385
On second thought, diregard what I said about the mags >>33894235, while still a tad expensive, they sure beat the $100 price tag