Is this accurate?

Give a bunch of the Soviet dinos American gear and have the German dino being constantly pounded by aerial US dinos and it gets more accurate.

>>33891904
Bottom is moreso than top at least.

Kek, what?

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>>33891904
Dino D-Day was fun.

There were no dinosaurs in WW2

Why don't we have genetically engineered dinosaur soldiers yet, /k/?
I'd enlist as a raptor handler

>>33892044

Haven't you seen the documentary Jurassic World?

Why the fuck wouldn't you use an actual flying dinosaur for Britain?

>>33892097
B-52 in pic is older than dinosaurs.

>>33891904
>no army of French Partisan chicks charging forth while the chicken retreats

This was a missed opportunity.

>>33891904
Only if you were to put little USA flags on their boots, in their stomachs and on their teeth.

>>33891993
>was
It still is friend

>>33891904
Not at all.

Dinosaurs were extinct by WW2.

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>>33891904
No, it was more like this.

>>33891904
Not really. Russians and US should both be hitting germany from opposite sides, there should be more dead japasaurs spread out because that whole pacific theater. the russian should all have US shoes, and the US should be bombing the nazis instead of the UK.

>>33892180

This is closer too the truth, but it neglects the fact that the Allied forces in France/Germany were of greater number than the force that was sent by the USSR to take Germany.

>>33892180

Also the British sea dinos need to be patrolling and the Soviet and Japanese dinos need to be doing nothing.

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>>33892158

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>>33891904
>be russia
>help nazi germany in the beginning of the war
>later surprised the most anti-communist country in the world turned on you
>proceed to help destroy the only functioning socialist state ever
>turn every country you "liberate" into a shithole along the way
>claim you did everything because you suffered the most disproportionate losses in history

>>33891904
>muh asiatic hordes!
No, not really.

>>33894085

Yeah Russia/USSR has always been highly overrated. During the Cold war, they were shit, after, they were shit, they still are shit. The meme of "RUSSIA STRONK", is a total myth. They would get rolled without nukes. And in WW2 they were lucky the western allies were keeping Hitler occupied in the west. Russia is hot garbage.

>>33891904
france killed more troops than USA did (insurgencies, etc) and gave in because they officially annexed and said they would kill every civilian without full surrender

USA killed 19% of enemy forces officially

japan killed 38% of all casualties in the entire war by starving, slaughtering millions of chinese, yes millions

also they raped over 1.3million women, undocumented casualties of suicides after that with killing their half breed children with them plus the three WMD's japan unleashed in the form of a bio toxin, a super disease honed in prisoner test labs and used it as a leverage to try and cure/stop the advance of the death to get out of warcrimes with the USA

also they were stalling to see if russia would fight over japan with the USA so a plea deal was struck, japan killed more than any other nation in the world to date in a single war

USA got word of these casualties before the decision to drop the bombs was made, the napalming of towns killed more japanese than the nukes did

the only reason they were scared of the big bomb was that their emperor was threatened by the power of the bomb, not the death of civilians

jap civilians death pact was to kill their children, and suicide charge at the americans, and without an official request by the emperor they would throw themselves off the cliff in a surrender, over 28,000 japanese civilians did this

fighting germans was like fighting half way decent human beings compared to fighting japan, many soldiers were mortified because they tried their damn best to gather all the corpses in the sea

japan also cleansed three entire populated islands near the phillipines, islands of thousands ended in a few scattered in the forests hiding
^My brothers grandfather was one of these hiders.

>>33894133
The turning point of the war in Europe was the defeat of the 6th Army at Stalingrad, which happened BEFORE the Soviet Union started to receive most of the Lend-Lease aid it eventually did. While I seriously hate the USSR and Communism as a whole, even I have to grudgingly admit that:

1.) They did the heavy lifting in defeating Germany.

2.) They did it with comparatively minor support from the United States and Great Britain. They likely would have still won even without Lend-Lease helping them; it just would have taken longer.

Yet at the same time, Russians take more credit than they should. Their battlefield performance up until the last two years of the war was abysmal, and the reason over 20 million of them ended up paying the iron price was because of the incompetence of their government. I strongly suspect that Stalin's callousness and mismanagement likely killed more of those Russians than the Nazis did.

>>33894231
And don't forget they only beat back the Nazis because America shipped a fuckton of trucks to Russia

>>33894231

I would point out that while the majority of the Lend-Lease came later in the war, the stuff that arrived early arrived at an crucial time when the Soviets were on the ropes and had just lost an incredible amount of materiel.

Additionally I would point out that the Soviets had almost no strategic combat ability. It was the Soviet Navy keeping Germany from trading with neutral powers, it was the Brits and it wasn't the Soviets draining hundreds if not thousands of artillery tubes and aircraft to defend against strategic bombing, it was the UK and USA.

Without Len-Lease arriving at the crucial inflection point and without the western Allies shouldering the entirety of the strategic combat burden things could have easily gone very differently. It's unlikely that the Germans would have outright won the war, but I think a draw (With the Germans holding onto the western Soviet states and a decent chunk of west Russia) is a very real possibility.

>>33894288
These are all very valid points that have given me something to consider in future discussions on the matter. Thank you for sharing your perspective.

>>33894231
WW2 was actually won by Finland. Why?

Because the red army's abysmal performance during the winter war was one hell of a wake-up call for Stalin. Had they not tried to invade Finland earlier, they would have fallen like wheat before the Nazis. Without the eastern front to worry about, the western front would have gone way differently.

>>33894333

No problem.

I don't want to diminish the Soviet contribution, without the Soviets the western Allies would have certainly been incapable of winning against Germany, but it WAS a team effort and taking away either (or both) of the western allies would make it more difficult (perhaps insurmountably so) for the Soviets to push the Germans back.

>>33894364

There's so many "what-if?" scenarios around the pre-war and early war period. I'd love to write some alt-history books...

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>>33892135
underrated post

>>33894270
Did you even bother to read the whole thing?

>>33894556
He's a namefag, you should be surprised he even CAN read.

>>33891904
Not really, even USA was all about numbers.

Only European powers had to fight with what they had. USA had more soldiers and resources than everyone else, Soviet Union had tons of soldiers and kept up with the resource requirements.

Make US a smaller flock of velociraptors and then you'll have a more accurate picture.

>>33894180
nice blog, maybe actually reply to the OP next time

>>33891904
no

>>33891904
You are missing the pre-1941 period, whereas Russians collaborated happily with Germans.

>>33891904
No.

>>33894231
>before lend lease

But that's wrong.

>>33891993
>Dinosaurs uber alles
Topkek

>>33894231
>literally tens of thousands of trucks
>literally thousands of tanks
>literally 5 *billion* gallons of fuel
>literally 350 million tons of wheat
>comparatively minor
Motherfucker pick one. Prior to the end of the the battle of Stalingrad the US had shipped more crap to the USSR than the USSR had produced domestically in the previous 20 years combined.

>>33892113
Underrated

>>33894180
>jap_war_crime_denial.jpg

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>>33891904

>>33896582

And Canadian Ammo. Everyone forgets Canada supplied the bulk of allied ammo for WW2.

>>33896582
This and don't forget how reliant Russia was on railways, and how dependent their railways were dependent on US production

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>>33891904
I don't see any triceratops Yugo-partisans, so no.

>>33896582
This

>>33894085
>start throwing soldiers and POWs into prison for witnessing the greatness of the west
>start throwing anyone you want in those Eastern European countries into prison for having lived a better life than most of Russia
>A never ending supply of people to throw into your prison/Gulag system whenever you wish
>can't produce or be a functional society and have to leech off of the new countries you have "liberated"

>>33894231
>treat your citizens like shit in the aftermath of potentially losing Moscow
>those that fled did not believe in Russia's ability to hold off against the Germany invaders
>those that stayed were secretly hoping the Germans would win to liberate them
>this was the excuse they gave to imprison whomever they wished to for the sake of protecting the state

A prison state unlike any other.

>>33892044
>>33892066
JEeze

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>>33897032
And raw awesomeness. We also supplied a lot of that.

>>33897217
this too

>>33897292

This lasted until Stalin died. Soviet Union was not like this after him.

>>33897712
Doubtful, I could agree if you said that things changed after Gorbachev got into power. However I'm doubtful that there were any changes until after he got in.

As Gorbachev was the one who released all of the archived and secret documents that showcased all of the death and imprisonment.

>>33891904
french were not as cowards as portrayed in the media, there is also no mention of Vichy france or lend lease

>>33897722

So De-Stalinization just wasn't a thing or...

>>33892135
Were you there?

>>33892044
One of the easiest solutions to the mini-drone situation is good ol' bronze age faloneering. Israelis are doing it right now to keep HAMAS drones from escaping Gaza. Army might implement their own program in meanwhile.

So you may soon literally be able to enlist as a dinosaur handler, you're even technically a 'raptor' handler(or at least their genetic descendants)

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Nobody ever won a war by dying for their country.
You win a war by making the other poor, dumb bastard die for his country.

t. Patton

>>33894085
>nazi germany
>functioning socialist state
>functioning
Socialism is communism.
Commies get the helicopter, ergo, socialists get the helicopter, ergo, Natsoc gets the helicopter.

>>33898228
I stand corrected.

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>>33891993
>tfw no dino buddy to take on nazis during WW2

>>33898400
You stupid nigger, nazis (and yes, even commies) basically invented the modern helicopter. The only ones to serve in WWII were German and Russian.

>>33898542
Yes, and?
What does that have to do with throwing commies out of helicopters? If anything, it's poetic justice, throwing communists out of something that they invented.
>inb4 'muh socialism isnt communism!'

>>33898577
>hey pinochet, I made a helicopter for you
>thanks comrade
>pinochet pushes commie out of helicopter

>>33896582
Vehicles supplied to Russia is less than 1/10 of the total number of vehicles produced. In tanks alone it's 7000 lend lease to 110000 Russian tanks. Also the supplies through lend lease for the entire country of Russia was at the same rate of supplies as the berlin air lift suggesting the amount of supplies given to Russia is about the same as the amount of supplies needed to supply half of Berlin.

Then again even Russian leaders confessed that they would've lost if not for the American supplies. I don't know.

>>33896582
>Prior to the end of the the battle of Stalingrad the US had shipped more crap to the USSR than the USSR had produced domestically in the previous 20 years combined.

Im American and even i'm having a hard time believing this. How economically slothful was the RSFSR that in the preceding 20 years their industrial output wasn't able to match American donations?

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>>33892113
What really happend to the dinosaurs.

>>33898805

It's not just how much, it's what and when. I believe it was Zhukov who said they would have lost, and I think that's an exaggeration, but not as much of one as the current trend of saying that LL was meaningless.

>>33898921

I'm not backing up his numbers, but I'll say this: The Soviet Union was barely industrialized pre-WW2, the US was highly industrialized. I can believe that number.

>>33898921
Lets put it this way. If Hitler didn't start a war with Russia or hadn't even risen to power, Russia would have started WWII by invading European nations for their resources and people.

USSR was all sorts of inept.

>imprison the engineers who wouldn't agree to over working and putting too much weight on train cars
>have engineers allow people to put more weight on the freight cars
>get butthurt and surprised when railroad rails, train cars get destroyed because they went over the weight limitations
>start throwing more engineers into prison for working for the bourgeois/trying to usurp the state

That was just with their railroad system, nevermind everything else

>raids on the churches occur
>people charge at the thieves for stealing from the church
>its USSR soldiers with machine guns who gun down the people for standing up against the state

A lot of crazy shit happened. WWII would have been inevitable none the less as the Soviets were sucking so hard to run a nation.

>tfw the head of the government (communist) started killing people of various communist and socialist parties

>>33898400
You do realize that the Soc in Natsoc stood for the philosophy of it (egalitarianism) rather than the economic and class conflict aspects? Nazi Germany had a a lot of left and right-leaning things thrown in together.

>>33899057
>Russia would have started WWII by invading European nations for their resources and people.

Talk about a quick war

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>>33898542
>Igor Sikorsky is not pleased.

Referring to based White Russian as a communist.

>>33899066
>nothing to do with economics
Except when the state requires the use of your private property. Until then you can have private property. Otherwise be prepared to have anything seized.

It is still a totalitarian regime that meddled with private enterprise and more so as the WWII progressed.

>no class conflicts
So they weren't about a supreme race of people bent on dominating and ruling the world? All about pushing for a "master race"

They took over the term Aryan to mean Germanic people and as such they made class distinctions based on race. If you weren't part of the Aryan race then you were looked down upon.

>philosophy of Natsoc is egalitarianism
With their own National people maybe, but even then it fell in with fascist philosophy. In which people are not equal, and as such anyone who is inferior (lack of talent, etc) shouldn't be prioritized by the state. They weren't about the individual unless it benefited the state. Again, the philosophy is about how the individual can help the state keep everyone safe and keep civilization from crumbling. Which is a good concept on paper, but the problem is that it is centralized government. Rather than spontaneous order.

As such Natsoc is certainly a left leaning concept, as are all totalitarian concepts. Its a misnomer to call Nazism right leaning in any capacity, even fascism. As they rely on socialism and the acceptance of it by the people to operate.

>>33899111
Considering how willing France was in allowing Hitler to conquer much of Europe before Poland I would say the opposite.

Russia would use similar tactics to what Japan did in justifying their invasion into Manchuria. Plus the media (France and Britain) were being censored on reporting the militarization of Germany. Thomas Sowell's Intellectuals and Society goes over a lot of this.

Hitler would have been absolutely thrashed had France not castrated themselves.

>>33894635
Kek

>>33899243
I concur with everything you've said in reply except the
>bent on dominating and ruling the world
Of the
>no class conflicts
part.

>>33892127
And showed the raptors arriving on American trucks.

>>33899390
I guess that aspect is a matter of perspective, but its one of those inevitability of conquering other nations and having a "master race" sort of thinking.

>>33891904
>that one Russian raptor flipped upside down bouncing off the nazi-Rex.
Holy fuck my sides.

>>33891904
>that t-rex on the plane with the top hat
top kek

>>33898805
And 80% of the vehicles produced by Russia were done so post-Battle of Stalingrad. Lend-Lease made up over 70% of all vehicles, 90% of all tanks, and 95% of all aircraft in use by the Soviet Army from the onset of the war to the conclusion of the Battle of Stalingrad.

The Soviet military basically had NOTHING at the start of Soviet involvement in WW2, and what little they did have was outdated prior to the start of WW1.

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>>33899057
>Russia would have started WWII by invading European nations for their resources and people.
Oh yes.

>>33899243
>So they weren't about a supreme race of people bent on dominating and ruling the world?
Not officially.

>>33899631
If only, communism would have been crushed much sooner.

>>33899544
Do you have a source on this? I was under the impression that the T-34 and KV-1 first saw use at the beginning of Barbarossa and that they actually made a massive impact on the Germans who encountered them.

>>33899418
As much as certain Non-Germanics would have been looked down upon, its hard to deny that Hitler was a strong advocate for the preservation of culture in general, not necessarily just Germany's. He would have certainly assisted cultures he respected with their preservation.
[spoiler]Truth be told, I would have fought for his cause, because jooz[/spoiler]

>>33898805
You're forgetting the raw materials used to make those weapons were supplied through lend lease. Not all of course, but a substantial amount.

>>33899703

Not that guy, but the T-34 and KV-1 were in desperately short supply in 1941. The slavs had them, and when they were employed they were effective, but there was very, very few to go around.

>>33899730
While I can be sympathetic to having a strong and good culture the ultimate method of enforcing it is an issue. As the state is dictating what is and what isn't ok. Rather than allowing the maximum amount of freedom of people to do what they see is ok. There were Germans living in other countries who kept to themselves in communities running just fine. So long as they were allowed to do so they maintained German Culture. All with generations of people never having set foot in Germany.

The concept of preserving culture is fine, but the execution of it was terrible.

>>33899703
The T-34 did see use at the beginning of Bararossa, yes, but the Russian Army only had a little over 900 of them *total*. There were fewer than 400 that participated in Bararossa.

I'm not sure if the KV-1 saw use during Barbarossa, all I can find is a note saying that "of the approximately 22,000 armored vehicles the Soviets had prior to Barbarossa, approximately 500 were KV tanks"

>>33899786

I've heard of at least one instance where a KV-1 blocked up a German advance for a long time because it was on the far side of a bridge and nothing they had could dislodge it.

>>33899842
...was it stuck or just abandoned?

>>33899891
Good one.

>>33899891

It was fighting. It was in a perfect defensive area, the Krauts had to cross the bridge to get to it, so they could shoot anyone that tried to cross, while being too far away and heavily armored to be defeated.

>>33894364
Finland relevant
:DDDD

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>>33899946

Here's a great lecture on the subject:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Clz27nghIg

>>33899544
Dude don't be a fucking retard. Soviets had tens of thousands of tanks just before the start of the war.
Thousands of them were actually at German borders before 21th. However the vast majority of them was just small and light tanks with only a few dozen decent ones like t34 and KV1. Most of them got destroyed soon.
Also Soviets had literally more tanks than all nations compined in the first days of the WWII. They did suck though.

>>33891993

>Styracosaurus

My Nigga. Triceratops a shit.

>>33894085
>>later surprised the most anti-communist country in the world turned on you
USSR rulers has no delusion about Germany. Only question was "when". So soon before Britain was finished is only thing that was suppressing and even this is debatable. Stalin might be baiting Germany like USA was baiting Japan into Pearl-Harbor. To claim victim latter and get moral superiority in the conflict. Remember that West prior to war was an enemy of USSR. Tricking them into accepting of USSR into "good boys" club was important goal. Germany allying with West to destroy USSR was a real possibility.

>>33900124
>However the vast majority of them was just small and light tanks
>implying Germany used only Tigeris Barbarossa
>implying Germany didn't still use Pz II and Pz 38 (t).
>GLAVPUR pls

>>33898327

>Defacing our hero like that

Get fucked you son of a bitch.