>9mm is the best because +P makes it competitive with modern

>>33890392
Short & Weak

real men use .460 Rowland or .454 Casull

>>33890392
>less capacity than 9mm
>less energy than 10mm hunting loads
>less bullet weight than .45 ACP

Literally the least ideal caliber

my main complaint about .40 is the people that use it.

>>33890415
>.45 ACP
>So slow it deflects going through windshields

>>33890392
>be limp wristed faggot whose muscles are atrophied by AIDS.
>Can't hit a torso at 7 yards firing rapid.
>10mm has too much recoil guide!
>Continues to take dicks up the ads.
When OP is a verified faggot.

>>33890428
when the fuck in any defensive situation do you plan on shooting through a window?

>>33890436
I don't know, defending against carjacking, drive bys, shooting through restaurant window glass...

>>33890436
When you're an LEO, every situation is a defensive situation because everything is always coming right at you

>>33890436
Since when do you plan out defensive scenarios?

>>33890436
>>33890467
Legitimately curious. How bad is .45 deflection? There a report/video on this?

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>>33890478
>There a report/video on this?
The Glass Deflection Test is literally part of the FBI's requirements.

>>33890467
>>33890436
>>33890428
>>33890415

45 can't penetrate for shit through ANY material compared to any other popular handgun round. It can just barely chip concrete.

subsonic and fat

>>33890500
>>33890511
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJgFt6JWxyc

While not the best test, .45 seems to perform just fine here. Same with .40. 9mm seems to suffer, however.

>>33890511
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUxE9vNgt8E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktDxj-sSrqQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fe3OiKsZqiA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZ7CFx-Z-Ko

Modern .45 does ok. If you are so concerned about penetration just load +P.

All rounds deflect through auto glass to some degree. It's a commonly known phenomena. Most handgun rounds wont penetrate through a cinderblock completely without chewing through it using multiple rounds.

>at least .45 cracks or punches through bone instead of deflecting off like some calibers are notorious for

>>33890392
>notably less energy and wound volume than .45
>less capacity than 9mm

If you're worried about a roving pack of basketball brethren carry 9mm. if you want "stopping power" and think 10rnds are enough for an SD situation then carry .45

>>33890511
>leaves big gaping hole in human flesh so they bleed out faster and lose consciousness even if you miss vitals
>anon is worried about it's anti-material effectiveness and ability to chip concrete

Pro tip: If you have to penetrate something solid and heavy to kill someone, it probably isn't a self defensive situation and you are going to jail

>kevlar

Fucked regardless of caliber if it's a mass shooter with body armor. Your best bet is a lucky headshot or shooting them in the legs with a large caliber round

>>33890392
>40 SW masterrace
Except it's vastly inferior to .357 sig.
The only thing .40 has going for it is being 10 cents a round cheaper than .357 sig.

>>33890548
Isn't the integrity of the class compromised after the first shot?

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>>33890415
They make .40 field ammo, too, dummy.

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>>33891815
>.357 sig
If you must insist on carrying a meme round, 10mm is a far better choice.

>>33890392

Finally a thread that appreciates modern engineering.

obsolete 9mm luger babbys and 10mm micropenis's need not apply.

>>33891815

>10 cents a round cheaper.

Thats huge.

>>33894649
.357 is objectively less meme because it's the anti-STOPPAN POWAH cartridge. More powder? For a smaller bullet? Fudds are killing themselves over it.

I usually avoid these threads because everyone shits on any type of round they don't carry, but are there any legitimate cons to .38 special?

>>33894701

Hard to find and expensive.

They will never catch on, thus production will never scale up and prices will never drop.


Those are the cons.