Completely new to guns

They kick like a mule and are no fun to shoot.

Just get a glock 19

>>33889735
Small revolvers usually have significant kick, making them not super fun to put 200 rounds through, which is what you should be doing as a newly hasguns.

Also
>CA
>can keep it loaded
lel

>>33889735
If you want a revolver as your first gun but have no intention of carrying, you might as well go full-size. Something like a model 10 trade-in. Sturdy, reliable, classy and soft shooting

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>>33889735
Revolvers and their Ammo are usually more expensive than Auto and 9x19mm(except .22LR).
.22LR Revolver is good for beginner. but it also cost more than .22LR auto pistol.

>>33889735
make sure you get your hands WAYY up on it so you can control the recoil

>>33889781
Loaded and stored in my bedside table. Also, what do you mean about the 200 rounds?

>>33889735
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xkQ5UOj7wg

>>33889844
>what do you mean about the 200 rounds?

guns are not just "point and shoot" like you would think. You have to fire it a lot and get comfortable with it.

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>>33889735
I think a Charter Arms Pathfinder is what you need.
cheap .22LR ammo means more practice shooting.

https://charterfirearms.com/collections/pathfinder

>>33889735
If you're not going to carry regularly, get a shotgun. the Mossberg 500 (and some of it's contemporaries) only cost about $300 and are reasonably easy to use.
plus nobody is going to laugh at a shotgun.

>>33889810
Full-size is 4" or longer

http://www.gunbroker.com/item/633976175

>>33889735
>buying a handgun for home defense
>buying a handgun for home defense without being proficient with a handgun
rip in peace, op

>>33889932
Exactly. The Model 10 had short barreled variants but was most commonly seen with a 4 or 5" barrel

>>33889883
so on the S&W M28 the federal ammo dropped velocity and the other stayed the same or increased then the other 4 inch it went back up? what might have cause that? does the M28 have a larger cylinder gap than the M66 or M686?

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>>33889929
yeah, Mossberg Maverick 88 is always the Answer for home defense.

>>33889735
also semi auto pistol (Glock 19 or S&W SD9VE) or go with a pump action shotgun

>>33889949
Yeah, just putting out the info for OP if he wants to look somewhere else.

>>33889922
>you can buy this gun in pink or lavender
but why?

>>33889945
I plan to practice with it, and I have a friend who's a federal security guard who can help me.

>>33890012

For the wimmins of course.

>>33889735

Shotgun > full-size handgun > compact handgun.

Is there a particular reason that you want a snub-nose?

>can keep it loaded
what did he mean by this

>>33890017
Just buy a shotgun. Or leave commiefornia and buy a non-cucked rifle. Handguns are far less likely to actually incapacitate and much harder to use, especially under stress.

>>33890017
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPbTWGEPi2o
while you shop, go ahead and buy your shooting gear; speedloader, ear pro; eye pro; etc.

Just get a Glock 19, and I don't really like Glocks.

If you go revolver, learn about the cylinder gap. That shit will bite you.

shotgun is always a very inexpensive but effective home defense gun

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>>33889735
>>33890017

If you really just want a revolver, maybe this Rock Island M200 is good or you.
A Philippines S&W M10. Cost under $300.

http://armscor.com/firearms/revolver-series/m200-38-special/
Rock Island M200 38SPL

>>33890061
extension to my post

use extra money to buy some form of weapon mounted light and good ear protection

>>33890067
It's actually a derivative of a Colt design using tooling that Colt pawned off to fuel their crack/All-American 2k binge in the 1990s.

>>33890067
are these actually good guns? i have a "get what you pay for" mentality but i've never heard that these are bad guns.

>hd
>cali
Double barrel coachgun. call it good

>>33889735
You'd be 10000 times better off just buying a shotgun or a used glock 19/17.

A shotgun might not hold much more ammo than a revolver, but buckshot is much more deadly than any handgun round.

Something like a glock has much higher capacity, but desu I'm not sure if the CA 10 round mag limit applies only to guns being carried or guns in general.

Either way just get a shotgun, Maverick 88's are like $200 or you can pick up a Mossberg 500 for about a hundred dollars more.

>>33890125
They are good for their price, and they can shoot well if you shoot well.

>>33889735

Pistols are superior.

>>simple to operate, maintain, and load
>>can keep it loaded

Same with pistols.

>>like the aesthetic

Irrelevant.

>>won't scare gf

Definitely irrelevant.

I just bought a mid 80s 6 inch Dan Wesson 357 mag, one of the Monson ones in excellent condition for $700, how did I do?

>>33890125
A inexpensive gun means you can buy more ammo to practice with the same money.

>>33890147
No one's disputing that pistols are superior. Some people just like revolvers mate

Revolver and Pistol are equal in first 6 shot.

>>33890125
Their QC is not like the big boys hence the price. You need to know how to evaluate a revolver to make sure you get a good one. If you get a good one they are solid if unrefined guns.

>>33889735
If you're going to buy a revolver for home defense (like I did), get a mid or full size one in .357 Magnum.

Snubs are better off for CCW.

>>33889735
Revolvers are only for people with the strange bug that makes them like revolvers.

>>33889844

They go fast anon.

>>33889735
im leaning towards revolver also but i just dont know what one, i also have bigger hands which iv heard is a minor problem.

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>>33890556
Daisuke Jigen is one of revolver freaks but COOL.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13c_aJVwXs4
Jigen--The Man With the Golden Gun

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LktnL-eszqA
Daisuke Jigen - Pistolero

>>33889735
What is the power of a .357 coming out of a snub nose?

>>33890646
not enough to make it worth the recoil. Something like 9mm +P+ at best

>>33890669
damn. I was also thinking of getting a snubnose.

I dont want a little bitty .380, and its not like I'd like to CC extra magazines. I guess 44 mag snub is the best?

>>33890646
2 inch barrel is too short for .357.

http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/357mag.html

>>33890703
>I guess 44 mag snub is the best?

That's even worse, even with .44 special: Larger, same 5 shot capacity, awful recoil, .45 ACP ballistics.

snubbies are only viable with .38 +P

>>33890703
>44 mag snub
i'd love to see you put 200 rounds in at the range with that

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>>33890703
You need strong hands to use 44 mag snub.
Use .45ACP revolver. you will got a 230gr bullet as.45 Colt but less recoil.(and ammo are cheaper)
2 inch barrel is too short for .45 Colt, too. so the muzzle velocity are almost the same with .45ACP.

http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/45colt.html
http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/45auto2.html

https://charterfirearms.com/products/74520-pitbull-45-acp-revolver

>>33890788

.357 is not terrible out of a 2" barrel, but a significant portion of the energy that could be imparted to the bullet by the powder load is wasted as muzzle flash as the hot gas stops accelerating the bullet once it leaves the barrel.

I have heard it argued that .38 SPC, with its lighter powder load, a better choice for a 2" barrel. It's less powerful of course, but the recoil is negligible compared to a .357 out of such a short barrel, improving your chances of hitting something.

Looking at the chart for .357, you can get significantly better performance with a 4" barrel and have a gun that is not that much bigger than a 2" snub-nose.

>>33889735
Don't get a snubby. As a newb without a lot of practice you can very easily miss someone on the other side of the room in a tense situation. Revolvers are great for beginners, just get one with a longer barrel.

>>33890848
Rimless autoloader cartridges aren't good for revolvers. Bullets jumping the crimp becomes a concern.

>>33890840
I know recoil is bad but I want the power advantage of revolver rounds with compactness of a snub

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>>33890947
Dude, we have something called "moon clip " can solve the problem.

>>33890968
>power advantage of revolver rounds
except you do not get this unless you have a longer barrel. your preferences do not magically change ballistics

>>33889836
this is a troll

>>33889844
to practice with, so you don't miss

>>33890147
>>won't scare gf
>Definitely irrelevant.
autism

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m55H6oR-D50

>>33890947
>Bullets jumping the crimp becomes a concern.
what does this mean?
>>33890971
what is this?

>>33890968
A 9mm will carry more rounds, be more compact, and be quicker to reload. same level of "firepower" per round as a .38 and comparable to a .44 spc considering you're talking about a .09" larger round at approximately the same velocity. But with much better designed JHPs on the market.

Only real reason for a snubby is a pocket gun or muh aesthetics in which case you should go with a 5 shot .38. Hell you can probably even find a pocket gun in 9mm.

If it's gonna be IWB and firepower per round is your concern than get something with a 4" barrel. Frankly revolvers are easier to conceal usually than automatics anyways.

>>33891032

see >>33891027

>>33890983
I was afraid of this which is why I asked

>What is the power of a .357 coming out of a snub nose?

broken wrists

>>33891038
Pocket snub revolver won't jam in first 5 shot.
That's why we still have revolver for those who don't know how to clean auto-pistols.
Someone just buy a gun and put it in cabinet several years.

>>33891212
>wont jam in first five shots
neither will an auto, and it wont be out of ammo either...

Defending yourself with a firearm and not putting any regular effort into practicing or maintaining your equipment is a recipe for getting yourself and other innocents hurt.

>>33891245
some poor people just don't have enough money to go gun lesson. live in gangland ,use cheap and old guns to protect themselves.
Revolver is more easier to use.

>>33891032
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2012/03/robert-farago/lightweight-revolvers-and-the-dangers-of-bullet-jump/

>>33891284
Not even about having lessons. is about shooting 10$ worth of ammo once a month and putting a drop of oil on your rails after the fact. If you completely ignore a revolvers regular maintenance it can fuck up eventually and much more catastrophically than an automatic. If you don't go shooting semi regularly then you'll be endangering everybody in the general direction of any BG you shoot at because you wont be able to hit shit. for that matter putting them down in anything approaching a timely fashion will be unlikely because you cant hit shit. These are the kinds of people who accidentally a 5yr old across the street when shooting at a hood, or leave a gun in a drawer for years until a curious kid comes over, finds it, and hurts somebody.

>>33889922
>>33889828

.22lr is a shit self defense round due to low penetration, small wound cavities, and unreliability. Do not bother with these.

>>33891680
>low penetration

see video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbVY4gT5P20

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>>33891680
22lr can kill a hog if you hit the point.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-wNxo3tHJA

>>33889735
You're off to a good start. But get a .22 revolver. They're fun as fuck and a great gun to learn on.
You can get High Standard, H&R, or Taurus 9-shots for just a couple hundred dollars.

If you want a self-defense gun, you should just go for an auto. An M&P Shield, an XDS, or a Glock.

>>33892157
>muh lucky shot placement
Nowhere close to reliable.

>>33889735
$500 = $200 .22LR Single Action Revolver for fun + $200 Pump Shotgun for home defense + $100 Ammo for practise

Perfect Answer

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>>33889735
>won't intimidate anyone
You don't think this is intimidating?

It's literally the most recognizable type of handgun that screams "GUN"

>>33889735
don't buy a gun out of fear. if you didn't like them before, you're not going to like them now. you're going to spend $600 dollars, never practice, put it in a shoebox and forget about it. just buy some pepper spray and some reinforced locks and put some pipe in your windows to lock them.

>>33889735
Now that all the people complaining about the recoil on a snubbie are off somewhere washing their pink lace panties, let me tell you: those guns are fine. I have a Ruger LCR in .357 Magnum that I keep in my nightstand as my "bump in the night" gun. The recoil is by no means too much, especially if you shoot .38 out of it. Don't be scared off by a bunch of literal limpwristed faggots.

>>33889781
>Also
>>CA
>>can keep it loaded
I'm in CA, and I keep my LCR loaded.

Look, it's simple: You keep it in a lockable box on your nightstand. When you leave the house, lock the box. When you come home, unlock the box. Nice and simple.

>>33889735
Which end of CA are you in, OP?

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>>33892708
>trying to act like a manly man
>loads .38 in his .357
Fuck off. Recoil is more about follow up shots than anything, because you're not going to be fucking Clint Eastwood at 3 AM in the dark numbnuts.
And good luck staying oriented when you fire a .357 off in your hallway without earpro, especially out of a snubbie.

Retard.

>>33890138
>Something like a glock has much higher capacity, but desu I'm not sure if the CA 10 round mag limit applies only to guns being carried or guns in general.
All guns. The only exception is tube magazines like in the Marlin 60.

>>33892742
You still want earpro even on 38 special, that's not that relevant

>>33892742
>Recoil is more about follow up shots than anything
Funny, I'm able to fire mine round after round and stay on target. And my wrist doesn't even hurt. Maybe yours wouldn't either if you did anything with your hands besides mash buttons on an Xbox controller and beat it to Pornhub.

>>33892776
You want earpro with anything, but there is a massive difference between a .38 and .357 in terms of loudness, again, especially out of a snubbie with all those gasses escaping so quickly.
I say this from experience, it's loud indoors even with earpro.
I shutter thinking about shooting mine without it.

>>33892789
3pm range time accuracy =/= groggy 3 AM accuracy

But go ahead thinking that you're a badass

>>33889755
This. Get at least a 5 inch barrel.
But a revolver is the logical choice

>>33889828
>.22LR Revolver also cost more than .22LR auto pistol.
WTF?

>>33889735
>>can keep it loaded
it is far more dangerous to have a fully loaded revolver then a full mag in a semiauto
revolver means the firing pin is resting on the primer, or it is cocked. Only way to eliminate the possibility of accidental discharge is to have one empty chamber (lowering already feeble capacity)
a fully loaded semiauto with one in the chamber and a de-cocker will never have any chance of accidental discharge

>>33892169
Heritage Rough Rider for about $125
and it comes with a .22 LR and a .22 mag cylinder
Check out the ballistics of .22 mag vs .22 LR
http://www.gunnersden.com/index.htm.rimfire-rifles.html

>>33893036
>Only way to eliminate the possibility of accidental discharge is to have one empty chamber
Another way is to not be an idiot.

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>>33889828
The Rough Rider would like to have a word with you...

>>33892169
I thought OP wanted self defense

>>33892643
I never disliked guns. I've shot a friend's AR-15 and Glock 22 and quite liked it

>>33892735
I'm in LA.

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>>33893045
>>33893071
uh, the DA Revolvers which can shoot repeatedly cost more price (besides used gun)
There are something "Saturday night special" .22 auto-pistols made in California even cost less than Rough Rider. although they have much problems, need some know how to avoid.

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BTW, I also think buy a Heritage Rough Rider with pump shotgun is good idea for OP.

>>33894918
I second this

Lots of stupid advice and autism in this thread.
>>33893036
>revolver means the firing pin is resting on the primer
Retard detected.
>>33889735
>Is there any reason I shouldn't buy a snubnosed revolver as my first gun?
If you're not going to be carrying it, absolutely no reason to get anything smaller than a 4" barrel 38 revolver. Smal barrel 38's are also controllable using 147gr full wadcutters. That's what I would recommend.
>won't intimidate anyone and would require me to shoot them (I live in California btw)
ABSOLUTE bullshit
Criminals know the deadly threat even small guns represent, and the snubby 38 is well known. Also you shouldn't be pointing a gun at an armed criminal and waiting to see if he's gonna shoot first or run.
Grab a used model 10 , earpro and spend the rest of your budget in ammo. Train a lot. Get a cheap $15 flashlight to go with it (target ID at night).
A revolver is simpler for your gf to use but "intimidading" her is stupid reasoning, best way for a gun to not intimidate her is making sure she knows the gun and is confident with it

>>33890025
>>33890035
>>33890061
>>33890133
>>33890138
Shotguns are terrible for beginners. Carbines are the easiest effective gun to use.

Also if you support anyone buying a .22 for self defence you can fuck off. It'll get them killed, they should buy an easy to use gun like a carbine instead. Even a Hi Point carbine would do the job.

>>33897215
In CA, the rifles with pistol grip need use fixed magazine. Even Hi Point Carbine.
Shotgun always make sense in home defense, if you are so weak to fire 12ga , you can use 20ga or 410ga shotgun which have less recoil.

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>>33889735
>Primary purpose is home defense

If you do not intend to CC, then size and concealability are non-issues. The larger a gun is in relation to the round it fires, the less recoil you have to deal with. The bullet will also have a higher velocity upon exiting the barrel. Nothing wrong with a revolver for home defense, but if that's its primary purpose, get a big fucking .357 mag. Something with a seven or eight round cylinder and a 5" to 8" barrel. It will be easier to shoot quickly and accurately and hit harder than your snubbie.

>>33897370
.357 mag ammo is expensive.
and the OP only have $500, few of full size .357 revolvers cost less than $500.

>>33897460
Oh? I missed the budget. In that event

>>33896641
Do exactly what this guy said:
>Grab a used model 10 , earpro and spend the rest of your budget in ammo.

>>33889735
You need to forget about a snub nosed revolver. Those are for carry only. In California you'll likely never get a carry permit so really don't worry about that.

You've basically got 3 choices. In my opinion your best choice is a cheap pump shotgun in 12 guage. You'll save enough money under budget to buy some good ear protection and several boxes of shells. Buy birdshot at first to get used to shooting and recoil. Once you've done that buy slugs or buckshot for home defense. I started off no guns myself and a Remington 870 express was my first gun. Maverick 88 or Mossberg 500 are also good options. They're very easy to operate and also have the intimidation factor you'd like. You can even get one with wood stock so it doesn't look super scary to the girlfriend.

Options 2 and 3 would be to get a less expensive semi-auto handgun or a used full size revolver (if you're absolutely stuck on having a revolver). You could get a brand new Ruger American in 9mm or 45mm for not too much more than the pump shotgun. They're not really super complicated.

>>33897657
Second this. Pump 12 gauge or full size revolver.

Or just buy a Hi Point C-9. Cheap gun. Cheap ammo. Don't have to worry about mag restriction. Buy new, and it'll work fine and you'll have a great warranty.

>>33891680

It's fine. Not the best, but neither are handguns anyway.

Look at all the vids of self defense shootings online. In pretty much every single one, civilian draws a pistol, starts shooting, and the criminals are all of a sudden olympic sprinters trying to get away. The only time anyone seems to go down is if the civilian shooter hits the CNS.

It'd play out the same way with .22lr tbqhfam.

>>33892176

No handgun is.

LCR 3" is perfect OP

>>33892789

Something tells me you don't shoot very much at all.

>>33897657
>You could get a brand new Ruger American in 9mm or 45mm
>45mm
Kek.

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>>33889735
>won't scare gf
Cuck. Tyrones Hi-Point doesn't scare her.

>>33897460
just got a ruger security six with 4 inch barrel for just 350€ (im a kraut)

are used revolvers that expensive in america?

>>33889735CA we've got a bunch of pussies in here man, that weapon is more than ok in CA

>>33889735
who did you vote for last election? one answer should preclude you the right to purchase or own a weapon for being a moron

>>33897215
Shotguns are NOT terrible for beginners. Don't listen to this guy, OP. Get a used police trade in 870, or a new Mossberg 500, spend the rest on ammo. You can then also go hunting for ANY North American game with it, if you so choose. The ammo is in EVERY Walmart in the world, and as long as you're not trying to shoot 3in shells out of it all the time, it's not a bad shooter. Besides, buckshot is proven HD ammunition. Get some cheap buck, shoot 1k's of rounds through it, and you'll be good. No one will get your goods.

>>33897460
shop near me has a Ruger GP100 used for $400 and its in barely used condition, looks almost new. you can easily find 357s for under $500

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>>33900177
It certainly wasn't for the elitist New York billionaire, I'll tell you that shit.

>>33900239
That describes both the front runners

>>33900239
>not voting for the one man who is literally speaking at an NRA convention and installing pro-2A judges
you dont deserve the right to own a gun, sorry

>>33900239
Yeah, you voted for the world's first crony libertarian.

>>33899408
That's a reasonable argument when you're talking 9mm vs .45

It's not reasonable to make that argument when we're talking about .22 vs 9mm, .357, etc.

>>33900294
That being said, he actually isn't. Libertarianism has nothing to do with American concepts of liberty, it's the ideological child of Austrian economics i.e. continental philosophy that is directly antithetical to Liberalism born in Britain and matured in America. Libertarian scholars at the top of the heap reject personal liberty on principle because it's a threat to wider (economic and state) liberty. Ron Paul is a bad Libertarian because he values the Constitution and tradition. Stay away from Libertarians, vote for traditional Constitutionalists.

>>33900177
>>33900254
>>33900276
>>33900294
That guy is not me. I voted for Trump.

>>33890017
>federal security guard

tell him for me that photography isn't a crime

>>33900574
just get yourself either a pump shotgun or a full size 6" barrel revolver or 5" barrel pistol

a snubnose is not ideal for a host of reasons

>>33900177
Retard.

>>33889735
Remember, there's a reason guns come with different barrel lengths, if the length changed nothing outside of the size of the gun than no one would ever make a gun with a barrel longer than an inch or two.

>>33901100
>The only last practical argument is it won't scare people, as anyone I live with will likely be a liberal who finds guns problematic and racist
Holy shit are you that much of a pussy?
At that point just bend over and take it when jamal breaks into your home.

>>33900254
That's my fucking point.

>>33889735
I've heard it said that revolvers are the best for people who want a gun for home defense but don't wanna spend the time getting used to an automatic.
>pull trigger bad ammo/misfire
gotta have the reflex to work the slide. but with the revolver
>pull trigger again and goes blam.

This is how my uncle explained why he gave his daughter a revolver when she moved into her own place over anything else.

>>33902515
What is more difficult -- getting used to the more complex MoA of an auto or training to be able to handle and move past the recoil of a revolver shooting a magnum cartridge?

>>33900380
U wot. And liberals vote for freedoms

>>33902688
I'm not sure what you're trying to say here.

>>33902688
he was talking about libertarians, not liberals, and liberals do not vote for freedom in any way whatsoever. They vote for big government and hope for collectivist reforms

>>33902515
Can't some people just like revolvers?

>>33890176
A snubbie is an odd case: it's either the most useful handgun for someone who's never going to train and just wants something to go bang when they pull the trigger or it's best used in the hands of an absolute expert.

Everyone in between is better suited to using a semi-automatic.

>>33890971
"moon clips solve the problem of jumped crimps"

except that they don't, retard. A jumped crimp is entirely unrelated to moon clips.

>>33891032
it's demonstrated in this video. It hurts my soul to post a TYM video, but he's the only one who's demo'd this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCXDUHk5he8&t=682s

>>33890971
"moon clips solve the problem of jumped crimps"

except that they don't, retard. A jumped crimp is entirely unrelated to moon clips.

>>33891032
it's demonstrated in this video. It hurts my soul to post a TYM video, but he's the only one who's demo'd this in a video less than 20 mins long.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCXDUHk5he8&t=682s

>>33892374
This, but instead of .22 revolver get a .38 SPL charter arms and learn/plink with light target loads.