IT FINALLY HAPPENED

>>33887037
>buys a shitpup
>in flat dark meme
"y-y-you guys are s-such c-cucks"

Id tell you to kill yourself but you'd deprive me and everyone else here of something to laugh at.

>>33887037
> cuck

go back to /pol/ you worthless shit bag.
your worse than the furries on here

Shittin finally. I actually want to see a Nutn autism review on this

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>>33887037
>>33887037
>not buying an AR or AK
Anon...

>>33887059
>>33887067
gb2srs fags
cuck has and had very little to do with /pol/

>>33887037
wow who pays 2.5k for one gun? i could get a bunch of guns for that much money

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>>33887107
Being poor must suck...

>Checks .300blk
>Only available in convert kits

Fucking hell so i need to buy the rifle, in one caliber as well as a kit to get the fucking caliber i want.

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>>33887145

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>>33887107
>tfw I own 7 guns over $2,000 that I haven't even gotten around to zeroing yet and some I might never shoot

Handled one at NRA. ITS INCREDIBLY HEAVY!

>>33887037
>oh look another overpriced polymer based bullpup rifle.
gimmicks are pretty good with these guys. first they got you with the acr, and now this.

>>33887037
>>33887145
nice meme guns

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>supposed to be ((((tavor killer))))
>delayed for years
>issues with function at every turn
>initially supposed to cost less than tavor
>upon release costs a good deal more

top fucking cuck, an ACR is a better investment at this point

>>33887100
I have both, and quite frankly I'm bored of mediocrity.

It's 2017, I should have a bullpup in the best SHTF caliber, that's fully ambi, has a non-reciprocating HK-slappable charging handle, and is fully modular. This is the gun we've been waiting a long time for (literally), it's a game changer. Like the ACR only more sexier because bullpup.

>>33887154
You buy the chassis then the kit. If not available, wait until they sell it as a full gun.

>>33887180

ACR would have worked if it was manufactured as originally designed.

The HK433 is basically an unfucked ACR, so there is that to look forward to.

>>33887174
It's 8lbs...

>>33887212
>>33887180
DT didn't make the ACR, Magpul did. The reason they delayed it so long is because they didn't want it to be another ACR. They wanted everything to come out at once so there wouldn't be any speculation about conversion kits not coming out. It's also very difficult to make a rifle that shoots so many calibers. They must've thought it was easy to make a design that shoots 5 calibers efficiently without error. Not the case. They got the .308 version down years ago, but when they put the 5.56 kit in it had unforeseen issues. Same when they tried a .300blk. It's actually not an easy thing to do which is why you don't see many guns being designed to do it, or able to do it... and now you know why the ACR failed, when they finally tried it in different calibers it couldn't operate correctly.

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>>33887308
>HK433

You mean the 3x more expensive MSBS that you'll never get because mama Merkel hates you?

The MSBS comes in a non-grandpagun version too.

>>33887308
>would have worked
kek

it's consumerism i'm not falling for it man. and honestly neither should you guys. there's no new tech in these firearms, and bull pups aren't that spectacular.


>go to buy a watch
>dealer has all types of watches
>dealer tries to sell you rolex
>too many diamonds
>dealer tries to sell you omega
>too many dials
>dealer tries to sell you fossil
>buy because it keeps time

>>33887335
HK already has a plant in Georgia they are expanding. I'm still waiting on Radom to even breaking ground on that Texas plant they were supposed to build.

>>33887343

>dealer tries to sell you Seiko
>buy that instead because they are tasteful, built like tanks, and keep time

>>33887343
So I should just keep buying a weapons platform that shits where it eats and didn't even work when it first came out? I told you, I want a bullpup that I can HK slap, and quite frankly everything should be ambi and bullpup by now. The modularity is also a huge plus... So yeah, there's new tech and not so new features that should be considered necessary.

>>33887059
>>33887067
Anon is just bantzing, get off your high horse

>>33887376
>everything should be bullpup.
k, you keep believing that.

>>33887433
No drawbacks unless you don't actually know the fundamentals of marksmanship and need a 2lb trigger to get shots on target.

Actually since modern tech fixed most bullpup triggers there's no drawbacks. Can you actually articulate why you dislike them or is it subconscious reasoning because you see guns as phallic symbols and don't want yours to be smaller? How big is your truck anon?

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Hey OP.
Saygus has been selling there V squared phone on their website for 2 years now and have yet to release a single phone. Why don't you buy a magic phone too. While you wait would you like to invest in some magic beans as well?

About a week after they made MDR purchasable on D.T.'s website the delivery date for your MDR was set at Dec. 15th of this year at the earliest. A week or so ago they said a parts maker was delaying them by two weeks. pushing most purchases out to next year.

Vaporware is still Vaporware even if you pay for it.

You could order one since last year, come back when they're shipping

>>33887536
This
Show me a shipping confirmation, OP

>>33887464
>how big is your truck
i drive a ranger. quit trying to measure people's dick.

i don't like bullpups mainly because i'm cross dominant. but if bullpups are so damn great, why have every major military that adopted them is starting to phase them out. shooting prone unsupported with a bullpup and a 30 round stanag magazine tilts the rifle muzzle down. that's why france had the famas issued with an integrated bipod. france is also phasing out their famas in favor of the hk416. go figure.

bullpups tend to be heavier; if only so slightly; and caters to close quarters combat; compact design really is meant for it. if bullpups were great why hasn't socom adopted or even funded research on a bullpup firearm for their operators. bullpup design is not the end all to rifle engineering.

>>33887586
>why have every major military that adopted them is starting to phase them out.
Because it isn't an AR. The modularity and aftermarket for ARs is so massive (and cheap) that it's the only sound economic choice. In 30 years every major military except China and MAYBE Russia will be using some type of AR. Even most poor militaries will have them.

>>33887835
That's hilarious. From an engineering standpoint it's a piece of shit concept for a firearm.

>>33887835
when nato collapses in the next 30 years then everyone will be using aks

>>33888188
OR they'll keep using their own domestically produced AR18-esque variants like they're doing now.

>>33888174
Absolutely wrong.
T. Engineer.

>>33888188
I'm sure everyone will be tooling up to produce a rifle older than current inventory.

>>33888174
People who clearly don't have the first clue as to what an engineer would value in a rifle shouldn't make posts like this.

>>33887464
Holy, now thats projection.

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>>33888269
sad that an older rifle is so much better

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>>33888257
>>33888273
This is an AR15 lower parts kit. It's also a fucking mess, and bear in mind this is only half of the small parts. Look at those tiny parts. Look at all those thin springs.

Speaking of a mess, take an AK and an AR out and shoot the same amount to of rounds through them. One will have a significant amount more carbon buildup on components that are critical to its function.

It's an interesting machine, absolutely. But to apply the concepts involved in this particular machine to that of a firearm is preposterous. You don't want complex when it comes to something your life may depend on, and you certainly don't want the gasses displaced where it displaced them.

>>33887376
>didn't even work when it first came out?
You really don't know a anything about the history of the AR do you?

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>>33888409
This is an AK entire parts kit. Look at those big durable parts and big boy springs. Mmmmm, sexy. That piston looks like it wants to get dirty, so your bolt doesn't have to.

>>33887037
>8.4lbs

Totally not interested now.

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>>33888472
Ergonomics look awful

>>33888409
>take an AK and an AR out and shoot the same amount to of rounds through them. One will have a significant amount more carbon buildup on components that are critical to its function.
>you certainly don't want the gasses displaced where it displaced them.
Stop posting you utter mongoloid.

>>33887037
>$2,500

Shit better print sub moa groups.

>>33888522
bro everyone knows aks are more durable than ars

>>33887335
are these fuckers ever going to import this rifle?

>>33888577
When they can make it work

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>>33887107

>>33887037
>buying directly from them
i'll believe it when people get the guns in their hands. not a second sooner.

>>33887167
But you have them. That's what matters anon.

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>>33888409
hahahaha what is
>totally different powders for $200 alex

you fucking retard holy shit hahaha

>>33888174
It's actually a pretty brilliant design. Name another firearm that combines the accuracy, reliability, modularity and light weight of the AR-15 family of rifles. The only other design that comes close are guess what....AR-18 clones.

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>>33888317

>>33887037
>>33887037
2.25k$ does it do anything an 500$ ar can't?

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>>33887145
yea tell me how it feels?

>>33887037
You've been able to 'buy' it for months now. It means jack shit until it ships you fucking mongoloid

>>33888930
It's not about performance as much as size aesthetics and handling I think. Same with tavor which I'm enamored with. Also, this rifle is suppose to be moa in bullpup package and also .308 which is its main selling point. If there was tavor in .308 I would never consider another rifle

>>33887037
$2500 jewkike dollars.
fuck.
that.

>>33889076
butt i wanna preorderz muh gatz liek i preorderz muh cull of dooties.

>>33889068
Are those wetpads under the guns?

>>33888883
>Reliability

*Jams without being soaked in oil*

>>33889106
"Preordering" is the biggest fucking vapor ware scam and it just enables these cocksuckers to perpetuate their Ponzi scheme . I want nothing more than to see desert tech crash and burn. They should have kept their cock holsters shut until the had their product good to go

>>33889111
essential when doing "wetwork"

>>33889118
>>33889118
>>33889118
>>33889118
>>33889118
There, 5 whole (you)s. Now go meme somewhere else.

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>>33888497
look at all those tiny little girly parts.
pathetic little clit shaped thing probably cant even get hard
completely useless as a boy

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>>33889111
they make it easy to clean the bench when you are cleaning guns. just throw them away after you are done.

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>>33887037

Mfw it gets delayed for 3 more months

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>>33889374
Mfw.

>>33888522
It's fucking true, this is not a meme. When I was building an AR people told me not to get a black bolt carrier because it would be harder to see the carbon to clean it. My thoughts were "carbon... on the fucking bolt carrier?!"

Sure enough I have done the test I described, and despite using filthy Russian steel case on one end and relatively clean brass ammo on the AR's end, it was still filthier with significantly more "shit" where it "eats." It's not a meme.

>>33891227
Your mistake was believing that ARs need to be kept clean.
http://www.slip2000.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Filthy-14.pdf

>>33887037

$2500 is actually a great price as long as it's a decent rifle. Problem is, nobody knows whether it's a decent rifle or if it's shit yet.

We'll see how it looks 6-8 months down the road, if they manage to make enough of them in the first place.

>>33891593
>decent
Better be pretty fucking awesome for 2.5k

>>33887274
It's 2017 and people still think a non-reciprocating charging handle, bullpups, and a promise of modularity that'll never go anywhere matter.

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>>33889068
>N stock
>On a K

No, you tell me

>>33887037
>twenty
>five
>hundred
>fucking
>dollars
this rifle better literally suck dicks on the side

>>33892225
It's cheaper than the SCAR.

>>33887335
When and how much will the MSBS cost on the US market?

>>33892239
The scar is a known quantity

>>33892239
that's not an argument for this thing
that's just an argument against the scar

>>33887100
Holy shit you could fry a steak on that forehead.

>>33887100
Wait, isn't she on BLACKED?

>>33892241
>>33892257
It's a middle range price for a 308 semi auto rifle. Of course those other rifles actually exist but that's another argument.

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>>33887145

>>33888317
Love that chin weld. Sexy looking, but no thanks. I'll stick with something that actually shoulders well and has ergonomics. Oh wait, we're talking about bull pups. Your pic is irrelevant.

>>33888472
Look at all those big chunky parts that still bend, flex, and just flop around during every firing cycle.

>>33889068
The UMP is like that fat girl you'd go down on then force to eat Big Macs until you finished on her chest.

>>33892239
The SCAR actually exists and was spec'd-out by and for the world's most elite special operators and designwise is a greatest-hits collection of all the best rifles from history.

>>33892413
Anon, it has a cheek riser...

>>33892433
The AK47 was designed as a cheap easy to throw together rifle. AKM's, AK74's, and especially AK100's are a bit tighter fitted with higher quality components.

Of course if you still think tolerances are not tight enough, there's the option of combining the reliability of piston operation with the tight tolerances of the AR platforms. That's what most first world militaries use, a piston based "AR18" type design, some in in bullpup config but most are still in grandpa config.

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>>33892443
t. Colion Noir

no 20/24 inch barrel option.

i bet the twist rate is only appropriate for lighter bullets also.

>>33892466
The MDR is based on the SCAR and similarly combines the greatest features of other rifles, namely the HK style charger, fulltime ambi design including forward ejection, and bullpup configuration.

I think it could only be better if it was more aesthetic and had downward ejection with a brass catcher attachment, then again I'm already conceptualizing a rail mounted quick change Gatorade bottle side brass catcher for mine.

>>33887322
>They wanted everything to come out at once so there wouldn't be any speculation about conversion kits not coming out
So where's the 6.5gren, 6.8spc, and 6mmAR conversion kits they promised 2 years ago?

Where's the NFA-length OEM barrels they promised 2 years ago?

Where are the 6.5CM conversion kit they promised 2 years ago? The 6mm CM kit they promised 8 months ago?

>>33892506
19" on the echo and longer barrels are to come (if it doesn't go the way of the ACR). Of course there's always room for aftermarket barrels, price needs to come way down for that to be a consideration though. For that price it better be near perfect.

>>33892497
I hear it in his voice every tiem.

>>33892240
>when
Expect 2021-2022 at the very earliest
>how much
Expect north of $3500.

>>33892539
>they promised

WAAAAAHHHHHH!! THEY P-P-PROMISED!!!!!!!!

>>33892546
it better be as good as a similarly priced AR10.

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>>33887322
>they delayed it this long because they wanted it to be the best rifle ever straight out of the box

>>33892563
>poster 1 says "totally won't be like the ACR guise, *they promised*!
>point out they promised a lot of shit they will never deliver on
>you sperg about promises
You are really really fucking terrible at reading comprehension.

>>33892526
The MDR is still a relatively unknown with respect to its performance. I do hope it's great, but we'll have to wait and see if DTI has a winner.

>>33892602
Using the word promise though. They never promised anything and it would be unwise for a manufacturer to do so. They always vaguely say "it should be available by ____" or "we're shooting for ____"

Desert tech is only a step above kel tec in terms of the size of their operation. They have a small niche military contract and higher standards which make them a more viable operation, but still this isn't some big name manufacturer we're talking about.

>>33892688
Holy shit what is it with idiots shilling for rifles they'll never own on this board? I've literally seen this same argument in the HMG threads.

>>33892282
In 5-10 years, I hope we look back at the state of the market and ask what everyone was smoking for $2500 to be a mid-range rifle.

>>33892688
Except DTI was actually dumb enough to specifically use the word "promise" repeatedly in official statements.

They did so specifically due to the (very legitimate) concerns from all the various gun-mag writers it was gonna go the way of the ACR and basically end up being 5.56-only.

>be MDR
>be 3 April 2017
>"The MDR’s are still on track to start shipping late April. We don’t have much more to say than that."
>https://deserttech.com/blog/april-1-2017-mdr-update/
>be DTI still
>be 1 May
>"Dear valued customers, One of our parts suppliers for the MDR has fallen behind schedule, the parts they are making for us were scheduled to be completed a week ago. This will delay the MDR shipments by two to three weeks."
>"This means that assembled rifles wont start shipping until the second or third week of May"
>https://deserttech.com/blog/may-1-2017-mdr-update/
Sooooo..What the fuck happened to shipping in April that you totally bolo'd without fucking saying a goddamn thing?

Also, I would be willing to fucking bet money this thing won't reach a single end-user before the tail end of August at the rate they've been going.

>>33891814
>what is a reverse stretch

>>33887322
8lbs is heavy for a gun in it's calibre

>>33893911
SCAR-H weighs 8.6 and is generally praised for its light weight vice other .308s

>>33893939
woah I confused myself srry

>>33887274
>t. jew

>>33887347
I like you

>>33887145
>PICKUPTHATCAN INTENSIFIES

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>>33892225
2500 is a lot for a quality rifle? man I've lost all perspective on the value of a dollar

>>33895765
the whole market has been thrown off by the rise of quality cheap AR15s/parts. The kind of AR you can build for 2500 is going to blow most similarly priced guns out of the water.

>>33895771
oh yeah true

anyways I have an MDR on preorder my nig so I hope it's not a huge piece of shit

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>>33895666
ugo

>>33895814
Yeah I'm a little conflicted about it desu phampai.

On one hand I can build a reliable high performance rifle for cheaper than ever before, thanks to the literal decades of R&D, and the price drop that followed the election. On the other hand the fact that no one can beat the AR while being cheaper and more accessible has led to a stagnating market, and anyone who makes a new design sells them at a high price to make sure they cover the initial production and investment costs, but doing so inherently prices themselves out of the market for most gun buyers ensuring the design never catches on.

Its a nasty cycle, and until material sciences and engineering advances to the point that someone makes something that is cheaper and better then the ar design we will only see incremental changes and improvements. Like m-lok replacing quad rails, or the reliable short stroke piston ar.

>>33895870
>until material sciences and engineering advances to the point that someone makes something that is cheaper and better then the ar design
But anything that could be used to make a better new rifle will more quickly be used to make the AR better.

>>33897689
At this point only thing that will change is price, I think.

Everything is in it's niche

AR for people who want a light do it all rifle for cheap, AK and SCAR for people who want a slightly heavier more expensive rifle that can also do it all and be slightly more reliable under certain conditions.

Short of some company making a SCAR clone that will change the more expensive part things are going to stay stagnant until some massive leap in carriage manufacturing jump starts a new line] of development but even then there are only so many ways to use gasses to automatically load a rifle.

>>33887345
>I'm still waiting on Radom to even breaking ground on that Texas plant they were supposed to build.
What do you even want from them? AK clones? Browning HP clones?

They have nothing interesting in their offer.

>>33897851
The MSBS, presumably.

>>33895870

That and firearms tech in general is more or less a mature technology. We found the best way to make one, with our current tech.

>>33899714
>>33897851
That and they can probably make a half decent ak for less than 2k unlike every other American ak maker.

>>33887037

On a side note, how many civilian-first bulllpups have there been before this?

>>33892273
hey there Mr. Steinberg

>>33887154
That's normal for meme calibers.

DT's marketing director is live on welikepegging
go roast the fucker

https://welikeshooting.com/live/

>>33903296
pegging is pretty great, frankly

>>33887037

>$2,500

Fuck that I'd just buy a fucking SCAR-17

>>33889068
I thought about doing that UMP conversion. Is it worth the ~2k to do it or should I do an MP5 clone instead, or a sten, or any other neato PCC?

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>>33903537
SCARs are big guns; the MDR has the same barrel length and is the size of an MP5

i hope he was joking when he said "next month" for mdr release date, and was making a joke about their release dates and not actually next month.

>>33903646
One of these rifles exists...

>>33900338
Kel-Tec RDB, and RFB
Bushmaster M17S

uhhh

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America stealing Singaporean technology yet again.

>>33904597
nigga that's an aug

>>33903818
They did say late May in their last blog post.

>>33892526
>quick change Gatorade bottle
So just a threaded metal ring that holds onto the bottle's mouth? Does make quite a bit of sense considering how its being ejected.