what would it actually take to make a .454 1911

You not being an Assburgered weeaboo.

>>33886181
I don't think they're 1911s at all, for one they appear to be double-action/single-action, for another they don't seem to have a grip safety or the same controls.

Also they appear to be straight blowback or something because the barrels don't seem to recoil or tilt or move in any manner.

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How about picking the superior black and white guns
>copypasta'd from the wiki
Both pistols have been modified with pivot-style triggers as opposed to the 1911's usual straight-pull trigger, this modification resembles the Browning Hi-Power pistol.
Both feature custom sight systems; Ebony uses a set of target sights, while Ivory uses a pair of combat sights
Both feature ported muzzle compensators that reduce recoil and counteract muzzle flip. Both barrels are extend through the compensators and are ported to match the cuts in the compensators.
Both use custom slides that have been noticeably thickened and reinforced along the slide travel rails and around the chamber and firing mechanism. The result is a slide that bears a resemblance to SIG-Sauer's M1911 line.
Rails have been bolted to the forward portion of both frames. These rails are used to hold the compensators in place.
Both guns use double-stack magazines with slam-pads.
Both have gold-plated magazine releases, hammers, safety switches and triggers.
Ebony features a hooked, two-handed trigger-guard, while Ivory uses a more traditional rounded trigger-guard.
Both weapons use ergonomic wood grips which are inlaid with portraits of Victorian women; as befits their names, Ebony's is dark-haired, and Ivory's is fair-haired.
Ebony's ejection port is located on the left side of the weapon, as opposed to the right side (as Ebony is meant to be used left-handed, this causes spent brass to be ejected away from Dante.)
Both weapons have an outside extractor, resembling Browning Hi-Power pistols.

>>33886560
I want one now

>>33886181
The black one isn't a 1911, its some sort of weird custom design with the slide covering the entirety of the rails

>>33886181
Literally the most retarded gun of any anime, ever.

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>>33886560
>Both pistols have been modified with pivot-style triggers as opposed to the 1911's usual straight-pull trigger, this modification resembles the Browning Hi-Power pistol.

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Take a 357 Coonan and embiggen it twice-wise.

>>33887105
The Coonan is proof you can make a hideous 1911.

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>>33887188
Rude.

>>33886181
.454 is rimmed. Rimmed cartridges can be used in semiautos, but its annoying, pointless, and requires significant changes.
A 1911 that fires Casull is no longer a 1911, and Casull changed to work in a 1911 is no longer .454 Casull

BUT you could get a very close equivalent. A 1911 in .475 Wildey Magnum is very close to a semi-auto conversion of the .454 Casull. Similar energy, similar velocities, in a rebated rim cartridge.

>>33887394
isnt .454 literally just an elongated .45LC, similiar to how .357 is just a longer .38spc

>>33886181
Wouldn't it make more sense to make a desert eagle in .454?

>>33887413
Yes and no - its the same external dimensions (but longer ofc) but structurally a bit different to account for the increased pressure. Thicker case walls, thicker rim that sort of thing.

A .454 revolver can fire .45 Colt and I think .45 Schofield like the .357/.38 can, and with the same fouling that builds up at the chamber throat. Keep it clean and it shouldn't be a problem though.

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What is an automag? 45 Win mag is pretty much 44 Magnum performance from an autoloader.

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I'd much prefer this 45 colt handcannon.

>>33887596
Both .44 Win Mag and.44 Magnum are much less powerful than .454 Casull.

Same for .44AMP, the native cartridge for the Automag.

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>what would it actually take to make a .454 1911
It would have to be something like a mix of a coonan and a wildey to handle the pressure. The 1911 based LAR Grizzlys had a big problem with the larger magnums breaking the guns.

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>>33887616
Good taste.

There are also automags chambered in 50 AE. This gets you closer, but if you must have 454 Casull perfomance, revolvers are the only commercially available option.

>>33887596
>>33887629
>>33887641

1911's start to break apart at the 45 win mag pressures. You need different internals with 454 casull. Wildeys could handle it but you'd have to add a lot of metal for the "Look" of a 1911 and the Wildey already weighs more than some sledgehammers.

Round, Type, Weight, Muzzle Energy ft·lb, Muzzle Velocity ft/sec.
454 Casull, XTP JHP, 240, 1924, 1900
454 Casull, XTP JHP, 300, 1814, 1650

45 Win Mag, XTP JHP, 230, 1600, 1307

475 Wildey Mag, SP, 250, 1850, 1900
475 Wildey Mag, SP, 300, 1610, 1727

This probably isnt the best thread but what do you guys think of gunsmithing as a hobby? Im not sure what id like to go back to college for but i think In the meantime if i took some machining/welding classes and brushed up on my woodwork i could make some decent one-offs for myself. like>>33887616
i know it would be exorbitant to pay someone to make and design but as far i can tell its doable, and i think it could be a neat project to work on for a couple weeks/months assuming i aquire the skills. I thought about going to a gunsmithing school but i think its a rather niche market and i don't particularly want to assemble ARs in my LGS.

Is this is a stupid idea and il just end up blowing myself up or is it somewhat reasonable? ive got some welding experience but nothing i would consider good and next to no metalworking.

>>33887659
> revolvers are the only commercially available option.
Anon, come on. Read the thread. They aren't even prohibitively expensive.
>>33887641
>>33887538

>>33887596
>What is an automag?
A gall-happy piece of shit that won't run without work put into it. That's the AMT one anyway, as pictured.

The AMC guns would batter themselves and not really last that long, but there's no ammo shoot it and back when there was a commercial source, it was wildly varied in spec leading to lots of reliability issues

So pick your poison, essentially.
.45WinMag is a good idea though.

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>>33886509
i remember reading that the .454 auto from hellsing was based on a 1911 prototype

>>33887596
>What is an automag?
A miserable little pile of bullets.

>>33887762
machining, welding, metallurgy, a couple engineering math or CAD classes, try to learn some physics too
woodworking should be pretty easy to get the hang of after metal working(if you dont know the basics already)
spend around 5k on like a 25~30" lathe and a knee mill (you could get away with a nicer drill press, maybe)
if you lack space, get a combo mill/lathe like a Smithy(probably the best entry level machine you can get for an entry level price)

I too, want to get in on some custom gunsmithing to try and materialize some dreams, but im poor and taking CompTIA cert exams right now
>protip
its been said by more than a few people on machinist and gunsmithing forums that gunsmithing colleges cost too much for what they offer, my takeaway was that its better to take classes like i mentioned above, and scour those forums for more specialized subject learning. but if youve got the dosh, go ahead and try SDI or something

>>33893103
Ive got the GI bill so it would cover it but thats also what ive read, they cost too much for what you get. I figure i could hust go to school for physics or engineering, get a degree, and just take machine classes ect as an elective/night classes

>>33887616
I haven't watched an anime that wasn't Akira or Evangelion in nearly 15 years now, but there's a HUGE part of me what wants to combine a Rhino's lockwork into a custom-CNC'd frame and threaded barrel setup to build the Vash revolver, just to be the sort of man my highschool self dreamed of growing up into.

>>33890197
It was probably that .45 Win Mag ((back then, .45 NAACO) BHP that NAACO made up in Canada

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>>33893847
>No Cowboy Bebop
Get a Jericho and a blue suit and live the dream, anon.

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Seras is bae

>>33887758
What breaks on 1911s?

>>33893478
what state are you in? if you dont mind my askin

>>33895020
Im in washington right now. Not sure if i want to stay here though.

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>>33886181

Probably would end up with something like a Korth PRS with a desert eagle or coonan style mag

>>33895045
no shit? I'm in Lakewood bro
It sucks, I'd much rather be farther south, like Olympia or lower

>>33895118
Western WA is ok from the few times ive gone out that way. Im stationed at fairchild right now though.

>>33886181

Really big hands.

>>33886181

>what would it actually take to make a .454 1911

I do remember Walter saying that both of Alucard's handguns are complete one-off custom jobs. The ammo they shoot is custom made as well.

The proof is in the pudding though and in 16 years, no gunsmith in the world has publicly admitted to attempting to build actual working replicas of the handguns. Too bad since you would think there have to be anime fans out there who are into guns with deep enough pockets to get at least one built even if it were chambered for a more common round.

>>33895132
I had to look up where that is, my family PCS'd here 2 years ago to JBLM, and im finally getting some . I bet there aint shit to do out there in central wa except be /out/

>>33895234
>gettin some
gettin established*

>>33895234
Were literally an hour away from idaho, its way more east than central but yeah. Hiking, fishing, shooting, ect are the main things to do. theres a couple of college towns around here and spokane has some clubs but none of them are that good in my experience. There was suppose to be a /k/ meet up for eastern washington but the guy never got back to people after getting emails.
I've heard mcchord is pretty nice, im either going there or the naval station for eye surgery pretty soon. Might get a whore while im in recovery, i can't think of too many other things to pass the time while im blind for a couple days

>>33886560
If that wasn't copy pasted, your spectrum is showing.

>>33893478
Ah this again well in the off chance you area different vet and not a troll if you are looking to pay bills with the training you will want to focus on machinist training or engraving as your primary education and do gunsmithing as a secondary as you will never find a volume of work that pays above minimum wage otherwise. This is ignoring the legal and business skills you would also find useful even with excellent relevant skills

>>33897133
No troll here friend. Im just a dude who hasnt found his passion and really likes guns. I know it wont pay enough unless i make some real custom stuff and im not sure if thats what id like. Im really just trying to make it into a hobby, like the guys who build parts kits except id like to try and build everything.
I think engineering would give me a decent foundation of knowledge and taking some classes at a tech school would introduce me to the necessary skills, after that its just putting them together no?
I guess it doesnt give me a primary income but im sure i could find something if i get a stem degree

>>33897238
Thank christ if I had one more wannabe jarhead troll...... ok engineering will loosely associate with the industry in the design field but have little practical application. That said good career prospects unless you get 43b issues. CNC machinist would have more hands on practicality and no shortage of work (and leas likelihood of outsourcing but automation is a bitch) enjoy the hobby I tend to do the stock carving route but one high end piece a year is about a wash for time and materials so office work for me

>>33897434
I appreciate the advice man. Il take some machinist courses and see how i like it. Il have to learn some skills anyway if i want to make anything but who knows, maybe il find out i love it and want to make it a career

>>33897505
If you do remember to work on the soft skills business, communication, advertising, as well as the legal and insurance regs otherwise you will be balancing scopes and doing menial shit

>>33886181
At that size? You could probably just make it straight blowback. I'm not kidding. Considering how it's like at least three times as long, half again as tall, and considerably chunkier (just guessing, but the slide walls look about three to four times as thick as a normal .45), you have a slide that would weigh about four pounds. And, since you're animu super strong, why not just stick a super heavy fucking recoil spring in it. The only catch is your handgun would weigh as much as an M16, but hey, it looks that way anyway.

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>>33886560

>>33886181
Money

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>>33894513
We would make beautiful children.

>>33886181
what would it actually take to make op commit sudoku

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>>33886181
Making it isn't the problem. Give me $100.000 as an investment and I can make you 100 of them in a month. The real problem is the fact that it's pretty much the most impractical gun you can imagine.

>>33887039
In the context it's not that retarded since it's not meant to be used by humans.

>>33901619
A gun that big with that big a bullet and that small a capacity should be a revolver desu

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>>33901693
It's supposed to be a thirteen rounder if memory serves. Making a cylinder for thirteen rounds that is not absolutely massive would be a feat of engineering worth Ians time.

>>33901843
Both the Casull and the Jackal are 6-round mags.

Keep in mind, a stout casull under SAAMI guidelines is peaked at 60,000PSI.
60,000PSI slamming a slide backward.
If we don't utilize a rediculously heavy slide we'll need a ludicrously heavy recoil sprin/hammer spring combo, that no one person on /k/ would be able to muster up the strength to rack the first round without a clamp and vice grips.
.45 super already has problems peening the slide and frame relationship once the springs start dying.
Not saying it can't be done, but most wouldn't be able to manipulate such a beast or maintain it.
Fun novelty safe gun

>>33901916
Well in that case I agree a revolver would make sense.

>>33901843
I want to see Ian review the Casull fully dressed as Alucard and pointing out how accurate the repro is with specific references to the volume and page number. I also want him to only refer to the author as the "mangaka." I need this.
>Hi guys, thanks for tuning in to another video on Forgotten Weapons dot com. Today we're looking at the ultimate pistol made by man, the Casull.

>>33899872
Underrated. Haven't laughed that hard since the last season of archer. Hate having to wait another 6 months for the next episode

As much as I wanna make the meme handcannon, it's basically a FN Hipower chambered in a rimmed cartridge that didn't even exist at the time it was made, and the other one is entirely proprietary, and also its a damn cannon. Why not settle for a 1911 Hardballer Longslide and a Glock extended model in a high calibre? The Glock comes in 10mm for under $1000. Not big enough? Get the 50. Except that's proprietary.

Or you could do what i'm doing and build a glock and a 1911 in .460.

>If you dont hear from me after this one of them exploded.

>>33901985
I mean, vampires could shoot it. Duh, that's what it's designed for.

>>33903900

You say that as if somebody wouldn't try to rack it with their teeth like in the original series.

>Ive done it to a real gun and it sucks

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>>33904134
Why would you try that?

>>33887188
yous a stupid ho

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>>33886181

Those aren't 1911s. Some features are similar, but they're not even close. Probably more like a Desert Eagle.

>>33886181
Those are big guns

>>33904529
For you