Do firearms make good investments? Does they hold their value

>>33873816
>Does they hold their value
Do you value your life?
If so, then yes, they keep you alive.

>>33873816
>Do firearms make good investments
In general no
You'll be almost 100% guaranteed to take at least a few hundred dollar lost on any new gun you buy.

Milsurps can be an investment but very low return and a long term one at that.

That being said after the initial couple hundred dollar depreciation a firearm so long as it is well maintained will stay at that value indefinitely.
Also buying used guns is a good way to try a whole bunch of guns without really losing money because you can't typically sell a used gun for what you bought it for.

Tldr
No they aren't good investments except with rare exceptions if you plan on investing for economic gain actually invest.

But if by investment in terms of a self defense tool yes absolutely it is a step above insurance in importance

>>33873818
So if I buy a couple of AR15s and store them for the long term, they won't increase in value?

>>33873819
Fuck no they will drop a little bit and hold value if they are kept in working condition. How stupid are people, things go up in value when there is less of them and the whole world keeps cranking out guns. Was even in the gun store today looking at pistol caliber carbines

>>33873819
No there are millions made every year. Surps increase in value, guns no longer in production- think of s&w made pre Hillary hole bullshit with pinned barrels and recessed cylinders for example, colt pythons had you bought them before walking dead clusterfuck etc.
modern production guns don't appreciate, and you'll always take a 20-30% loss on it on average

Bought a high capacity 9mm handgun literally a week before Sandy Hook. The gun price jumped for a month or two and the mags tripled in value for like 3 months but now it's worth less than what I paid.

I don't care though, I bought it to have as a gun and not as an investment so I didn't sell any of that shit.

>>33873816
it's only a good investment if you foresee an apocalypse happening where firearms & ammunition would become a valuable commodity, otherwise there are much more lucrative things you could invest your money into.

>>33873816
If you buy a gun with the intent of reselling it for a profit you will need an FFL?

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>>33873816
In my opinion a gun= safety insurance
You have car insurance in case you crash
Homeowners insurance in case you have a flood
So why wouldn't you have safety insurance in the form of a firearm?

Ammo probably is a better investment.

Collectible firearms are an excellent investment. Your average gun is probably not in normal environment, but we are going to get liberals again and they will come for the guns. They are socialists and they think that guns are evil and progressives never quit until they win.

>>33873816
Cheap ARs are flooding the market. Ammo is always a good investment, as are rugged bolt-action rifles like Mosins and pump shotguns.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqQed5169zw

>>33873816
Antiques and old war models? sure
Modern stuff? it comes off an assembly line and will keep coming off for many years so what do you think?

firearms always hold value. when the fuck has a fire sale on guns ever occurred?

>>33873828
i couldnt believe he's like 6'8" or so. next to arnold or clint eastwood, coolest grandpa ever

>>33873816
theyre good to kill yourself op.

>>33873827
dont buy mosins for another couple years. theyll always be around, but dont support people scalping them right now due to the embargo

>>33873816
No, they are a tool. Tools lose value with age.

Unless it's an antique it should not be expected to hold or gain value.

>Do firearms make good investments?
only if you value your life

>>33873819
My brother bought an Arsenal AK pre-Sandy Hook
He wanted to sell it when AKs were going for like $3500 because of the panic
I talked him out of it
Now it's become his safe queen because he prefers shooting his Bubba'd to fuck Nugget

>>33873816
Yes. Everytime a "sandy Hook" goes down, 5.56 climbs to $1.00/per round, 7.62 doubles in $$$, 30 rd mags triple in value. Democrats with their whiny virtue signaling bullshit actually have an indirect positive impact on ammo/firearm sales and value. I always make a killing.

>>33873816
do firearms make good instruments?

>>33873834
Then why do any guns become antiques? Eventually these will become part of our history like the Luger or the Colt.

>>33873833
I'm not so sure. I don't think the embargo will ever be lifted. Buy one with a beat up stock on the cheap and fix it up yourself. Or just buy an R700, it's basically the same thing.

>>33873816
Regardless of whether or not you'll ever need to use it, the peace of mind is worth it. At least that's how I see it anyway.

>>33873816
If you go out and shoot it regularly its a pretty fun hobby. relaxing. nothing like taking your AK-47, AR, and various handguns out on the porch to clean them and give a friendly reminder to the niggers acrossed the street to not break into your house.

hmmm, can save your life , compensate for your shitty genetics and let you defend whats rightfully yours, and ur thinking about return of investment


are you actually retarded?

>>33873838
Yes with enough practice
https://youtu.be/S5NquqzHYig

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>>33873842
great way to end up in jail then let the niggers invade your home, rape your white wife, and have the jews take your house

>>33873817
fpbp

>>33873827
I'd say most in-demand military surplus are solid bets, they will always be collectible and inherently increase in value with age.

>>33873839
History and rarity. Anything mass produced isn't gonna be worth much, it's gonna have a story (like one of Colt's prototypes or something)

>>33873847
I wish I held on to my first Mosin longer. I bought it for $125 and sold it for $230, but if I had waited a bit longer I might've been able to break $400.

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>>33873816
They will limit or put restrictions on ammunition before the guns themselves.

>>33873848
Mass production isn't that young. Plenty of firearms from World war 2 and prior were mass produced. In theory as our technology advances and we start using newer weapons, the guns of today will eventually become rare as well. Especially if people don't care to preserve them, I assume you don't.

>>33873849
Yeah even a Mosin would have been a good bet and it's the lowest tier, most available surplus battle rifle (I think).

>>33873816
Yes and yes. They may not appreciate but they will rarely depreciate very much if at all. Don't buy a POS and you can assume they'll sell for damn near what you paid.

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>>33873816
Fuck yeah. Nearly all of mine have increased in value substantially

I wish I could find a dragunov for less that like $3,000.

>>33873816
it depends..anything modern and mass producedproducedf you plan on buying something rare like for instance an original LeMat in good codition or a MG42 then yes. i bought a meme kimber with intergrated laser and 4 magazines from a friend of mine for 500 bucks he paid 1300 new

>>33873852
How much is an average mosin? Should I look for ones made in a specific country/year?

>>33873857
better off buying an ak or ar, mosin ammo will dry up and the bolt will run out. just get a 1k rifle and youre fine. get a good upper constructed and make the lower yourself with a decent trigger if you have a vice at home. if not, you can make a fantastic ar for around 1200 and ammo will last you forever. if you have a well equiped home garage you can make one for alot less, but the down payment on that is not that great if you ever have to move.

>>33873857
check with /k/ on that, will get a quick answer. I've only ever bought US surplus guns

>>33873819
Ammunition is a better investment but you have to buy 1000 rounds at a time and wait for a good price. With firearms you have to get lucky like buy Saigas then have an import ban happen on them.

>>33873858
appreciate the reply but I'm looking for more of a basic hunting rife than an ak/ar. I'll go talk to /k/

>>33873861
get a savage, great triggers and bolts, can be had for 300-400 or so. /k/ will know more

>>33873816
Firearms literally never loose their value
At least if they're popular ones like AR15's

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>>33873818
Retard.

They are probably the greatest investment a person can make. Guns are not meant to be sold.

They are a lifestyle investment. They do not have monetary value.

They are an investment into your future and the future of your family.

You buy a gun and ammunition. You keep it close. You practice when you need to.

You keep it close.

When you get old and you're dying, you give it to your children or grandchildren.


IT IS THE ONLY INVESTMENT THAT COUNTS.

GUNS TRUMP MONEY.

>>33873817
>they keep you alive.
not if you're suicidal and you DONT have one because you value your life

>>33873865
>being suicidal

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>>33873865
>you're suicidal
>you value your life
pick one

>>33873816
use them to rob people. they will pay for themselves (and then some)

>>33873816
>Does they hold their value with all these political issues constantly occuring?
what is your life worth? its priceless anon

>>33873816
>Do firearms make good investments?
It depends, your off the shelf every day cookie cutter Glock is not an investment unless you're counting on a zombie apocalypse. High quality, stuff in low production numbers is something to always look for.

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>>33873817
>Do you value your life?

Don't ask someone on 4chan that question.

The answer is always "no".

>>33873816
It depends how you're portfolio is set up - if your money is spread across multiple firearms manufacturers in long term yeild bonds you should get a decent pay out at the end of the terms.

>>33873844
that guy looks bad ass af

>>33873816

Guns tend to hold their value as long as you don't use them a ton or scratch them up. Generally speaking, even if they do drop in value slightly, they hold their value better than most things you might buy for your home (electronics, furniture, etc). Anytime there's a scare from the government about firearm legislation coming, people run to gun stores to buy whatever they can. In california, i made a few hundred on a m&p 15 (your most basic AR) in a matter of months shortly after Sandy Hook, easy 40-50% profit. During gun runs, you will guarantee profit on any used gun you have. In the off-season (a republican president), you probably won't see a gun run.

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>>33873871
>someone on 4chan
>plebbit spacing
go back

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>>33873816
yes

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>>33873816
I wouldn't know they all got cut in half during the 1996 gun ban/buyback, SO glad i live in a free country like Australia

>>33873816
It depends. The firearms market is very complex and it is ever changing. Certain firearms like old SWs and Colt's, military surplus, banned weapons IE Norinco or SVTs, machine guns, etc...yes. They not only retain value they also usually appreciate in value over time. Buying an AR15 or Glock or so on? Not a great investment at the moment, not for added value at least. Trump's presidency has flipped the firearms markets on its head but there are still some surefire pockets in it you can invest

t.lifelong /k/ommando

>>33873877
i appreciate your post aussiefag, but until yall get concealed carry, i'll continue to consider you all cucks.

>>33873879
I accept we are cucks, Australia will never have concealed carry in a thousand years,

>>33873819
Not at this point the market is absolutely flooded. If you had done this in 2009-2010 yah you would have during the Sandy Hook scare of 2012-2016

>>33873816

it depends, i bought a Colt 6920 at the height of the Obama gun grab and paid $1,200 and they sell for $800 new now. But then i bought some Arsenal AK's for $650 and now they sell for over $1,000. I also bought a flat back Molot Vepr in .308 when no one wanted them for $550 and now they are desirable because Molot is not going to sell us flat backs anymore.

So if you want something that will go up in value stick to Imported shit that looks like an "assault weapon" you basically cant fail.

>>33873880
not if you don't demand it

>>33873875
>making things easier to read means you're from reddit

>>>gaiaonline.com/forums/politics

>>33873883
You know those groups in the US that constantly beg for gun control, well those people control every single branch of government here and they also have 100% control of the media, it will never ever ever happen only thing that would give us a chance would be a time machine

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>>33873883
we can buy pre 1901 guns though without a license or registration so long as its a muzzle loader or shoots obsolete ammo

>>33873854
I want to get into black powder when I'm older that will be my old man hobby

>>33873885
God, I remember watching videos of guns getting de-weaponzed in Australia.
It was like the holocaust, except it happened.

>>33873885
>>33873886
yea, that's how i thought it was for yall. do you at least have free speech in your constitution or whatever?

>>33873889
no. Our constitution is completely different from the US one.

>>33873816
>124281638
um ya it's a good investment in the fact that it can save your life... cant spend your money when your dead...

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>>33873889
Yeah i think so but anyone who speaks against them is refused any air time and crushed politically

Buy guns,don't be a faggot, kill em all let god sort em out

>>33873874
Redpill me on the M&P 15. Is it a bad AR? I've shot cheap ARs and they're wonky as hell, but midrange ARs are pretty good. Never shot a high end one though.

>>33873892
free speech is not protected constitutionally here you moron
read this
http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Senate/Powers_practice_n_procedures/Constitution.aspx

>>33873816
> do they hold their value
No, they usually go up in price

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>>33873888
This was the Gun everyone here loved before the Ban, my father tells me stories how he went down to Kmart and Bought a semi auto 22 And i remember when i was a kid the Winchester Sign was still up at kmart like 10 years after the ban and it always made me sad to see it

Guns are tits

>>33873816
>Do firearms make good investments?

The milsurp ones have only been increasing in value. Eventually even the 200$ Mosins in Canada are going to be at 300$. The SKS here has already gone up by 50$ this year.

>>33873890
>>33873892
forget fuckistan, we should be parachuting gun drops to the aussies. yall need to replace your government pronto.

>>33873897
Fug. Those were the good ol' days.
Some Walmart's here don't even sell them anymore.
Walmart will also ID everybody with you if you buy ammo, or alcohol for that matter.

>>33873819
15 years ago a "preban" full feature AR was worth 1000 bucks if it was beat to shit and 2k in New condition . A basic bitch home build cost 600, and retail new guns started 700 plus.

Today entry/ hobby level ARs have dipped as low as under 400 for a factory built gun. Avg mid range ar15s are 5 to 8 hundred. Every category of ar15 has decreased in price by hundreds of dollars in the last decade or so, even with currency being less valuable.

So no, their is no guerentee they will appreciate. I guess that also means your buying low, which is good.

Also, changes in laws could dramatically effect your values. Up or down.

Also, gunfags have learned from the past , so they are stocking up like never before. That could stabilize prices.

>>33873816
You can easily spend less then $2000 dollars for a good Glock 10mm or .45 if you have girly wrist, Bushmaster XM15E2S, and semi auto shotgun of your choosing. Don't get a pump shotgun...That only gives an intruder to shoot you first or find out where you are by cocking it and with the adrenaline flowing you will likely chamber a round and try to chamber another in the rush to keep firing.

Trust me on this....

That will last you literally longer then you will be alive. Leave them to someone you love/care about after you die
You can always sell a gun if you keep it in good shape and dont nigger rig it or buy cheap guns like a hi point or some piece of shit Saturday night special

>>33873823
such as...

>>33873900
>we should be parachuting gun drops to the aussies

As much as i want gun rights for the roo fuckers i dont think it's a good idea as >>33873897 pointed out.

All it would take is another false flag or "mass shooting" and they would turn them all in again to be crushed. If they were modern guns it wouldent be that depressing but they should not be allowed to own antique guns like SKS's and such. I would be more than glad to air drop them Palmetto State Armory AR's though cause i wouldn't cry when that got crushed.

>>33873901
State where i live QLD, had the most relaxed gun laws you could buy any rifle you can buy in America except handguns were still illegal

>>33873906
if they were legalized i wouldn't be handing them in i would bury them

>>33873934
>i wouldn't be handing them in i would bury them

You don't have gun rights the way we do in the US but that's still stupid. If they come for your guns you shoot them you don't bury them in your yard like a pussy.

>>33873954
Bury them in the yard and sell them in 10 years to some meth addicts that's a huge profit

They are not good investments but they are certainly low risk investments. If you buy a $700 gun and a couple years later turn around and sell for $500 then the $200 loss was probably an acceptable buy out

>>33874052
>10-15% loss per year
>low risk investment
/biz/ would like a word with you

>>33873871
I value my life
>>33873867
lol rekt

>>33873816
they are a p good investment if u buy milsurp rifles and ammo. my dad bought a couple crates of mosins and a bunch of lugers and 1800s winchesters really cheap in the early 2000s and now they are worth a lot more

>>33873819
Definitely not an AR15. milsurp is probably the safest firearms "investment". I can't see milsurp rifles ever going down in value.

>>33873865
This is why I only rent. The greatest threat to me is me. And the dude I'm fucking.

Do we know how long that plastic composite stays good? Will guns made of it still be usable in 200 years?

>>33874767
no it will get brittle and crumble into dust in 30 years

>>33874767
>worries about plastic in 200 years
>lol, who gives a fuck about the springs

>>33874767
who cares? I won't be around. so i'll use MY guns as much as I want without worrying about them making it to 200.

>>33873816
There like gold you can shoot people with.

>>33874920
which is why all those glock gen1s are all suddenly disappearing right now.

>>33875052
exactly. which is why the ones that are left that have been babied and kept out of the sun are so expensive

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>tfw no SVT40

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>>33873821
>>33873874
>/k/'s face when all the fudd guns double in price (again) while all their plastic OPERATOR crap wouldn't buy a take-out pizza.

>>33873819
Not for the next 4-8 years. But the dems will get back in power at some point and lowers and mags will shoot up like they did last time there was a dem president.