What does /k/ think of the Canadian Military?

Pathetic

>>33873218
really why?

>>33873218
looking into a mirror?

>>33873150
You must be really fucking new to unironically post a thread like this.

>>33873239
I have literally never seen /k/ talk about leaf land military. been here for about a year now to. all I got is the general belief is "Cadpat is gud"

I don't think of them at all.

>>33873150
We used to yell at the fucking leafs whenever we would see them walking on PT road at lejuene. Idk what possessed them to walk around D street but fuck you and you neon green camis

>>33873218
gunna answer me?
>>33873226

I'm NZ army, and even I think you guys are fucking pathetic.

>>33873380
why though?

>>33873150
I thought Canada was basically the 51st state. Don't you just get the US to fight your wars?

>>33873428
We go where Murica goes.

>>33873150
My father did ROTC when he was at UBC in 59-60 to get the conscription stuff out of the way. They blew up a road with a howitzer because incompetent. bout all I now about leaf land military.

We need to replace our failing CF-18 fleet - and not just with equally as old F/A-18(INSERT LETTER HERE) airframes either.

We have a grand total of twelve warships (the Halifax frigates) that are worth a damn in a fight, and yet one of the largest coastlines to defend.

Our military is the definition of suck. And under Justine, it's only going to get worse.

>>33873507
Yea lets hope Bernier fixes it but our GDP is so fucking shit it doesn't matter. Canada had to potential to become a world power after ww2 and we squandered it.

>>33873150
It fucking sucks.

We're a Smol country, budged pretty tight. So overall, everything is too Smol to exist on a battlefield without support from the USA. Especially our logistics, we don't have any force projection, so can't expand forces out far from the border without help.

Also we have political problems, pc culture, the recruiting process is a joke, money problems 'YES F-35 NO F-35' for like 10 years, etc. Oh also civilians have a 0 regard for the armed forces.

We can't even defend within our borders because the country is large.

Wanted to join the British military but they stopped recruiting commonwealth citiziens recently

Not fair all my older cousins are royal marines

Im going in as combat engineer after i graduate uni in leaf army

>>33873545
OP here can comfirm recruiting is a fucking joke so much fucking paper work.

>>33873150
Well, maybe Canadian military is not in a good shape, but there is very few enemies who really threatening us.

>>33873545

https://youtu.be/kHK7RBrr5zY

Interesting documentary about CF in first gulf war and how fucked up our foreign policy is and how horribly funded it is

Nazy - pathetic, Airforce - pathetic

Land
Infantry - good, but ill equipped
Armoured - got a few new tanks a while ago
Arty - limited capabilities, but skilled

Very high release rate after Afghanistan ended for us. The cf is lacking experienced nco's. With a liberal gov and overspending during Afghanistan and Libya, the funding is non existent. Moral is bad and skills are fading.

Overall, The cf reached its peak around 2006-2010 and has been quickly deteriorating ever since.

>>33873150
Saw a few of them in San Diego mit 2000s.

Only thing I notice is their shade of green on their non digi uniforms was very jarring.

>>33873289
THIS WHATS WITH THAT GREEN? ITS BLINDING

I think it's mostly adequate for the very low threat, fantasy land that is peacetime Canada. If and when normal human life reasserts itself, our military will be a speedbump for a serious military. Just can't wait for that day, sure can't!

>>33873150
>muh JTF2
That's the only thing I hear about the CF. Like everything else doesn't exist.

>>33873150
Irrelevant military, just like the rest of the country. No one cares about that frozen shut hole and its syrup nigger government.

Also
>Wasting your life being told what to do by a bunch of retards
Get a job on private sector son.

>>33873150
I'll see you at Saint Jain bro.

>>33873150
we cross trained with their mechs during our division oriented training. every instance i had with the dudes (gents and ladies) was pleasant. while deployed i was with aussies tho.

>>33874220
>reached its peak around 2006-2010
that's pretty much any military nowadays. so many people love to talk about how great the surge was. i should've enlisted in those days.

>>33873507

Eh, the F/A-18E is basically a new aircraft compared to the F/A-18C, and i can understand why the USN wants to operate them as well as the F-35C (which is quite pricey, and has worse aerial performance to the F-35A).

The issue is just that for the Canadians, the F/A-18E is probably going to be 50% of the capability for 90% of the cost, as the F-35A will enjoy massive economies of scale and upgrades over its long useful life.

>>33873150
Hey im joining too, what branch?

>>33873380
Im sorry that you have to serve with three whole other people mate.

>>33873150
Just learn a trade and get out.
The bennies aren't half bad from what I've heard.

>>33874688
Its like you've never actually been to canada, am i right?

>>33873150
Sweden of the Americas.

>>33873562
Benefit of having big brother Burger next door.

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>>33875488
>tfw when those other two outrank me
I'm never gonna get deployed, just spend 5 more years digging holes in Waiouru and showing mentally disabled people how to use a radio. But hey after I'm done at least I can go be a mountain hermit.

>>33873150

You're basically America's Muslim auxiliaries.

>>33873435
Why don't you just join us, already? Deport the frogs and British loyalists, first, though.

>>33873150
You wont find any good information on this board bud

>>33877174
>British Loyalists
You mean old people? thats okay with me.
>frogs
Quebec they are our most conservative voters so no.

>>33875478
Army. you?

>>33875478
>>33877344
Infantry to be specific. I might eventually go to Artillery but our guns are so outdated its not funny.

>>33873380
NZ even has an army? Do you write speeding tickets too?

Oh cAnada, eh?

>>33873545
Google "Procurement Canada." There's your fucking problem to all your questions.

Also, Libs have always wanted to dismantle the military, what did you expect when half the country voted for Turdeau?

>>33873150

As individuals?

I've worked loosely with them on training missions. They seem like some decently motivated and squared away people.

As an organization? Much like many other countries, crippled by the people's votes for incompetent leaders and the lack of understanding of what they do in the populace.

>>33879097
Isn't he the nigga that sold APCs to Saudi Arabia?

Multiculturalism really killed my drive to join the military.

Fighting for foreigners to take over your country is pretty cucked. I'll just sit tight until ethnic and religious war breaks out in Europe.

>>33879166
The Arab deal was "continuously" delayed under Harper. Harper also "continuously" delayed the Lib proposed "UN Firearm Markings" from 2004 up until June 2017 for which Turdeau was supposedly going to stealth-implement/illegally implement it on said month.

>>33879177
Define "foreigners." A Chinese Canadian is no different than a German Canadian as long as both are patriots willing to die for the country they align with: Canada. I think this is the most important, race/ethnicity is not the issue here as much as /pol/ wants to disagree. The issue is patriotism and how far you would go to die for your country.

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>>33879295
>dying for post-nationalism

>>33879295
>as long as both are patriots willing to die for the country they align with: Canada
>willing to die
can people stop to being retarded? If you're willing to die for a bunch of corporations and politician's interests then you're a special kind of stupid. And that shit has nothing to do with nationalism. That is buying into the shit that hollywood pushes down people's throats.

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>all this gratuitous shit talking

I thought you were our bros, burgers

>>33879610
>being bros with a muslim country
>ever

Shittest of shit-tier western militaries.

>>33879654
Despite appearances our stupid PM doing selfies with brown people doesn't make us a muslim country.

>>33879665
You know that isn't just that, Your country is accepting thousands of rapefugees, either from middle east or from America.

>>33879760
>thousands
Good thing we're tens of millions then.
Get a grip you child.

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>>33873591
That makes me mad

>>33879467
>>33879546
Then what is the point of a military since we're all sucking Jew dick at the end of the day. Doesn't matter which country you fly away to, they're all sucking Jew dick at the end of the day. Perhaps the oil rich countries may be a slight exception, but my point still stands.

Heck, even Russia to some degree is under the influence or pacified by Jew. Least we can do here is vote for a strong Conservative leader in the following weeks or month and make sure he wins the elections in 2 years.

UK, France, and USA all got their wish for a change to the right. I'm hoping Canada is part of that line up soon.

>>33879831
>yeah man, doesn't matter if they ban 10 guns if we have 1000, it's all good don't worry, goy.

>According to Canada's 2011 National Household Survey, there were 1,053,945 Muslims in Canada or about 3.2%[1] of the population, making them the second largest religion after Christianity. In the Greater Toronto Area (GTA), 7.7% of the population is Muslim, and in Greater Montreal, Muslims are 6% of the total population

Just wait a couple decades.

>>33879883
>UK, France, and USA all got their wish for a change to the right
>france
Lol no. Tomorrow they are going to elect a former rothschild, center left banker.

Le Pen is also controlled opposition. There are no safe heavens hence why dying for them is retarded.

>>33879884
>A "Canadian" does a Terrorist attack on the US.
>Canadian-American war.
>We annex Canada, deport Muslims to die in the Cold.
I see nothing wrong with this.

>>33879610
You can join us, I know a canadian guy in our unit

>>33880114
How?
Don't you need citizenship?

>>33875021
Not even 50%, it's more like 25% on a good day.

>>33873150
Canada's an islamic shithole now ruled by a fucking cuck. Western Canada might as well separate and join China since it's full of chinks.

Canadian military's fucking pointless. You'll never win any wars again.

>>33880142
Unlike your shit country, foreigners can join our military as a path to citizenship.

>>33880254
Why are you talking like I chose to be born here

>>33880142
From what he told me he just went across the border and asked the Marine Recruiters there if he could join. They let him in, though they were surprised he went all the way through since alot of leafs decide they'd rather not when that ship date comes up

>>33880273
I'm just salty about your shit immigration laws.

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>>33880498
>a majority of countries hate you
>better make it real easy for everyone to come in

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>>33879883
>da Jew bogeyman is responsible for everything
Just shut up already

>>33876909
I'm a Leaf soldier. Showing borderline retarded people how to use our ancient radios is also suffering here m8

>>33880554
>t. ((()))

>>33880537
>a majority of countries hate you
What countries hate Canada?

>>33880554
spotted the itoddler reddit dwelling jew

>>33877353
They literally strapped computers to old cold war 155's

>>33880741
Read this thread again

>>33873150

the same as all militaries

welfare dispensation to dumb people

>>33873428
the difference between Canada and the US is that Canadians don't go to McDonalds while on deployment in Germany

>>33877344
Navy, what day do you start training?

>>33880554
you haven't done your research.
jews played a pivotal role in the transformation of Canada from a mostly white european state to a multicultural, pluralist one.

>>33876909
Fuck mate, im sorry, i should come on over and make it 4 people

>>33881034
Maybe you should read the thread again.

>>33881145
You mean the jews we turned away in ww2? Back when we actually liked our country and didn't let ever mohammed jamal and jafar into our country

>>33881190
Hah I wish.
One is too many.

http://historyofrights.ca/encyclopaedia/social-movements/national-jewish-labour-committee-1936-1980s/

>>33881182
Okay, since you can't do it by yourself I'll point it out for you, Timmy.
>>33873218
>>33873239
>>33873261
>>33873380
>>33873428
>>33874688
>>33876920
>>33879660
>>33880195

>>33873226
Different guy, but,
>tiny
>90% of forces don't want to actually do anything military-related, they just want government bennies
>extremely unprofessional demeanor when in uniform (not that that's saying much compared to the majority of the US's forces, but still)

Ya'lls infantry is damn good, if too small and underfunded. The rest of your military is a fucking joke for reasons including but not limited to budget. I worked alongside some Leaf admin types and they bitched about LITERALLY EVERYTHING while going out of their way to not only not do anything themselves but sabotage the work of others.

>>33873435
But only several months after they've totally pacified the region and having to beg the US or UK to get you there because you have no strategic transport capabilities and tactical transport capability so small it's not even token.

>>33881143
Some time in the summer. doing basic qualifications on Wednesday.

>>33881351
Would it perhaps be august?

>>33881277
Really thats a shame I would love to deployed the minute I get in.

>>33881367
Literally no clue. all I know its in the summer so probably August.

>>33877344
>>33877353
Hey same. Have you guys gotten your offer of employment yet??

>>33881395
And im assuming that its gonna be in st jean de richelieu quebec

>>33881499
That was both my comments I knew someone would think it was a different person should have corrected my error oh well anyway. I have a little bit of paper work to do left and hand it in. then the basic qualifcations before Basic Training

>>33881499
Yeah, im the navy guy though so I can't really confirm for tge other two you replied to

>>33881536
No its the worst Province in Canada. Ontario.

>>33881562
Wel, i see that we can no longer be friends, Ontario isn't bad, its windsor that sucks,

>>33881655
Well im in Rural Ontario pretty west of the GTA if that makess it better].

>>33881676
Well, that makes it alright then, as long as you are from Ontario feel free to call it shit, because it is.

>>33881698
To many chinese. Any decent deployment options right now?

>>33881744
Boatswain is always hiring, if you aren't officer material, other than that I can't really say.

>>33877174
>Why don't you just join us, already?
I mean I'm up for it, but I doubt it will ever happen

>>33881541
Reg force or reserve?

>>33881548
Question about the offer. Does it come in the form of an email, phone call, or a letter?

>>33882382
Email, but the also call you

>>33882368
Reserve for now im in Grade 12 but I failled a class in grade 10 so I have to do Grade 13. planning on going to the regular force after im down.

>>33881770
What is boatswain like? Do you earn credits that are transferable to Maritime work?

>>33881237
Which is not about hating Canada, but not caring about their military.

Damn, you are so fucking dense.

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I'm in the RCN if anyone has any questions.

>>33882486
>hasn't even read all of them
>Damn, you are so fucking dense.
hah

>>33882512
How fun/unfun is it in general?
I'm looking for different ways to live from sailing after my catto leaves me for kitty heaven and I was wondering about the RCN.

>>33882518
I'm really not putting much stock in the opinions of the couple of /pol/ morons that actually spoke negatively of Canada, not just their military. Canada really isn't a target for hatred on the global scale, like we are, and their immigration policies are even more restrictive. It's retarded.

>>33882460
"Bos'n is like the infantry of the sea!"
As in you do all the shitty things and every other trade (rightfully so) treats you like a retard.

Go bos'n if you want to be a super sailor.
Go Ops if you want to play battleship
Go Tech if you want to actually enjoy life and build a career

>>33882512
Im joining the RCN, my training is in August, just wanted to ask what your job is

>>33882460
Well a boatswain is just a deck hand for the military so any civilian vessel that needs deckhands would probably give you favourable treatment

>>33882615
Well, shit. Future bos'n here

>>33882620
Not >that guy but I'm a WEng. Still waiting on a ship posting so I can't tell you all that much.

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>>33873150
>A
>FUCKING
>LEAF

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>>33882668
wew
a truly epic meme my good man

>>33882685
Thank you. A meme country deserves good memes.

>>33882540
Sorry for late response, phone was nearly dead. I've had lots of fun, also lots of boredom. In for nearly three years, profoundly happy with my choice to join up overall. I'm reg force, but the reserves are a great way to go if you want to get an idea of what it's like before making a long-term full-time commitment.

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>>33882620
I'm a MARS (Maritime Surface/Subsurface) Officer.

If you're not familiar with navy trades, it's basically what you'd picture if you imagined a naval officer. I direct the movement of the ship from the bridge, under the captain, and work with the Operations room in warfare situations to coordinate warfighting and shipdriving. I also have various secondary jobs, some of which are pretty /k/-related.

Pic is where I earned my bridge-watchkeeping ticket, though I'm on a Halifax-class frigate now.

>>33882652
Be advised that the bosn trade may end up merging with navcomm or steward, both of which are much less /k/-related.

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>>33882666
WEng eh? Hope you like counting ammo.

The Canadian armed forces is filled with more welfare queens than usa. That's what you should be expecting from a sissy military.

Highly trained regular land force, more so than our guys. Everything else is pretty shite equipment-wise

jtf2 are badass

>>33883523
What's officer school like in Canada?

>>33884381
Hmm couldn't really tell you, I didn't go to the Royal Military College. I didn't enroll until after completing university civvie-side.

I have several friends who went to RMC, and most of them love it but not all. It has a reputation of being an old-boys-club, but I know many female and minority graduates who appreciated the experience. Builds a lot of connections that last a whole career, but can also fail to turn out well-rounded graduates who have experience of life outside the military.

I believe the team tends to do very well at the Sandhurst competition.

>>33884420
>>33884381

As far as the basic training goes, our equivalent of OCS is called the Basic Military Officer Qualification (BMOQ). For regular force officer or naval cadets, whether of the Army, Air Force, or Navy, it is a 14 week course at the Canadian Forces Leadership and Recruit School in St Jean-sur-Richelieu, Quebec. Main subjects taught are drill, the organisation of the Canadian Armed Forces, basic weapons handling, and leadership in small party taskings. After BMOQ, the newly-commissioned officers do their trade-specific training, the length of which varies. For me, it was about 18 months from when I started BMOQ to when I joined my first ship.

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Anybody know anything about the Leaf's Military engineers? I imagine they're just as shafted in terms of budget as the other parts of their forces

>>33884420
I just searched Canada's RMC. Thought it was short like RMAS,bu it seems more like USMA.

>>33882551
Canada doesn't have restricted immigration it has the highest amount in the world and uses selection criteria that amount to affirmative action. Your the moron.

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>>33873150

>Canada's largest causality rate were do to US friendly fire

A client state. Someone to buy overpriced hardware.
No reason to have a military in the first place. No one can or wants to invade Canada, and they can never match the US.

>>33884784
Canada could easily support a military the size of France

It's liberal cucks that have reduced it to the pathetic state it is today.

Plus when the US collapses we'll need an army.

>>33884670
Canada's immigration is restricted mostly to educated candidates

Their culture doesn't glorify the military, so the people who join are less ideologues are more likely just general sadists

>>33873150
>summer basic
it's nothing

>>33885274

Canada's economy is pretty dependent on America's, so if the US goes down Canada will as well.

>>33885460
If the US collapses it'll fall into multi sided civil war that could last for decades

Canada would get shitty, but central authority could possibly be maintained.

>>33884553
Like stokers or combat engs?

Signed up to become a reserve infantry officer

seems pretty based.

>>33885486
>he's a reservist crayon eater
>in peacetime
smooth move dude

>>33885488
>crayon eater
>commissioned officer

Maybe something will go down in Korea, regardless gotta get them government handouts.

>>33873150

They're pretty badass, but keep it to themselves.

>>33885500
>blue rocket "commission"
alright

>>33883528
>may
the merge is happening

>>33885484
Stokers are kill as of May 1st.

MarEng, E-Tech, and Hull Tech are now MarTech.

MarTech will have an electrical and mechanical sub-division presumably determined at QL5.

>>33885854
>presumably
That's a big presumably.

>>33885854
Here's what I know for sure:
>There will be a mechanical and electrical side of the trade.
>QL3 will be 9 months and will cover both
>New courses will start around June
>There are no planned legacy QL3 courses.

The reason I assume that you will pick a sub-division when you start your QL5 is because the amalgamation is mirroring the WEng Tech amalgamation.

>>33885914
>>New courses will start around June
New courses are starting in like 2 weeks. The June courses are when both coasts start it.

>>33885921
June is like 3 weeks away, close enough lol

>>33885933
Not really. In the ymca time is always relative.

Standby to standby

>>33886034
Too true, at the end of the day, everyone is their own career manager.

>>33886070
Unless you're a stoker like me

>>33880567
I am a sig, tell me about it.
Yeah its almost like nobody gives a fuck, dont have a radio in your vehicle? Must not need one!

Anyone out on ex maple resolve?

>>33886115
Yeah you're in the wind. Whats your qual level?
I'm a QL3 WEng waiting for a ship.

>>33886140
OD sitting on PAT. You west coast?

>>33886147
Yeah,

>Ellis?

>>33886166
Nice. You trying to get on Calgary or what?
>>Ellis?
If that's a buddy of yours then no.

>>33886180
Nah, tryna get the last Jr WEng spot on the Vancouver. But I'm getting the run around with my posting message so I just want a ship now.

>>33886193
Good luck

>>33886226
Thanks, good luck with your shit bud

Canada has a military?

>>33886268
only on tuesdays

>>33873150
They have a great choice in M16 ripoffs. 20 inch with a collapsable stock. unf

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>rusty old LAVs
>a small handful of loaned leo 2A6s
>pretty much no air defense systems
>no actual IFVs
>rusty old Hornets
>no strategic transport
>no gunships
>no AWACS
>2(two) airborne tankers
>Do I even have to mention the navy?

Basically the most underfunded military in the western world. As much as a I have a distaste for Trumpy, maybe the hot air he's blowing about NATO countries not honoring their 2% GDP spending commitment might actually do some good for us.

>>33886286
yfw C7/C8s are better rifles than american M16/M4s. Or at least quite a few SF circles seem to thinks so, specifically those belonging to the UK, Norway, Sweden, and Iceland.

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>>33873150
A FUCKING LEAF

>>33886305
Yeah my personal AR is a 20 inch with a collapsable stock. I still only have a carbine buffer unfortunatly. Not sure which one to get though.

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>>33886193
>Vancouver

>>33886304
Why bother spending more money on the mitary when you don't have to, you're not going to be using it. Might as well spend it on something else instead.

>>33886305
you got any links to that. the only real difference between the c series and the m series would be the manufacturer.

>>33886377
because the world does not proceed in a totally fixed, and predictable manner, and there might be operations within the near future that require Canadian military action? Canada has its interests, which are mostly protected by NATO, but who could have predicted even 2 years ago that there would be Trump in the white house talking about throwing a wrench into that organization if all the members dont pay up?

>>33886389
Realistically the only difference that isn't hogwash is barrel weight. C7/C8 is medium-heavy, while M4/M16 are medium.

>>33886374
Apparently the hull of the CPFs are supposed to be scalloped to increase the radar cross section immensely. I'm pretty sure it's just the combination of thin hulls and a quarter century of service.

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>>33881277
>I worked alongside some Leaf admin types and they bitched about LITERALLY EVERYTHING while going out of their way to not only not do anything themselves but sabotage the work of others.

lol, it's like this at my work.

>>33884670
>Canada doesn't have restricted immigration
It's worse than America's. It's most lenient regulations are under NAFTA, which only apply to workers in certain fields.

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Fuck this country.

Fuck the military it has.

Almost everyone in this piece of shit place deserves to be viciously raped by a wood-chipper until they've died. Twice.

From yours truly,

An Angry Fuckin' Nova Scotian.

>>33873150
Not as shitty as the memes would have you believe.
We don't have a massive army because we don't need one. What we do have is an army geared towards joint peace keeping deployments and we do a real fucking good job at it.
>Also all these buttmad americans angry because I'm making $15,000 more than them at the same rank and I get more vacation days
Also don't talk shit about our subs. The Americans do mock naval battles with us specifically to combat our diesel subs because those things are basically ghosts once they switch to battery power.

>>33887403
>Nova Scotia
>Thinks anyone cares about his oppinions
Don't you have some seals to club?

JTF-2 are some real fucking badass dudes.

The rest are literally who tier.

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>>33887485

No, but I've got more Vodka to slam back and random people to yell at my balcony from.

I wouldn't give a squirt of piss if everyone here suddenly died. I an untethered and my rage knows no bounds.

>>33873150
If you drink, just say you drink occasionally. Like just a few drinks every few weeks

>>33887403
That's okay, bud. The rest of us don't like you, either. Stupid like a Newfie, AND angry like a leaffrog? Winner right here.

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>>33873150
Greatest moment of Canadian Army in Video Game History !

Valiant Hearts: The Great War - Canada's part
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piP5-smwH6o

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>>33873150
Fluid Genders Leafs, very progressive.

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the canadian military is very much a good force that takes a lot of flak from civilian americans who don't get that a militaries main task isn't "winning warz"
entirely volunteer army

my main gripes are with the differences between our airforce staff's and our groundforce staff's behaviour outside of work.
>aside from the modern day 'adult' with 20k in student debt, ground forces largely filled with ex-tradesmen who do volunteer work
>air forces barely leave the country and spend most of their time planning break-ins with their rape cults.


these are the most accurate posts in this thread

>>33874220
>>33884220
>>33879160
>>33879177
yeah cause purity worked out for the germans

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>>33885460
Our fortunes rise and fall together

>>33886269
Kek, aint that the truth

>>33883528
Son of a bitch, they better fucking not

>>33889431
They probably will.
First they did WEng, now they did MarTech. Soon it'll be the bos'n amalgamation. I wouldn't be surprised if they did the ops too. Then there would only be 4 ncm trades. They're following the RNZN's lead, which is funny because they have already undone all their changes.

>>33889471
Fuuuuuuuccccckkkkkk, why does canada suck so much

>>33889471
Wait, hold up, we're copying the fucking kiwis?

>>33889742
Meh, it makes sense. Ships are getting bigger and more automated with less crew.
>Most CPFs have a complement of 220
>X-Ship (The Montreal) has 156, which the rest of the CPFs will probably follow
>Zumwalt (45m longer than the CPF) has 140

Specialization hinders crewing efficiency.

>>33873150
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYaNQ1R77Ug

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The thing I thought was crazy about the leafs when I worked with them was how fucking general their mos (or w/e you guys call them where) were. Like in Army Aviation (burgerland) you have 5-6 different mos types working on any particular aircraft during a major phase/inspection.

But the leafs would have one mos do the whole thing, because they claimed to "know all aspects of the aircraft" when in reality it was just a giant cluster fuck where none of them had any idea what to do and no one experienced to ask for help leaving them to wander into our hanger asking for advice.

Avionics, Engine, Prop and Rotor/etc are just too complex and different to expect one person to know all that. The canadian joes were all very polite and professional, they just had no experience actually doing maintenance or any ncos with experience to ask. I felt bad for them. Their ncos would just task them to do some shit and go sit in the office leaving them lost in the sauce and having to make what I'd imagine was the super embarrassing walk over to our hangar to ask for advice/help.

>>33889996
Yeah you gotta remember, our entire military has like 100k people. Comparted to the US:
>1/13 of the reg force personnel
>1/33 of the budget

It works in some trades, but hinders most of them. Works well for Navy since it's insanely important for everyone to know as much as they can about their ship.

>>33882393
Dont know who recommended you to do reserves then regular but if your only waiting a year or two to switch its not worth it. Had a friend try to switch took over a year and he said one of his buddies took two. Reserves are much different then regulars, both my buddies hated it but loved regular. They said they mostly played ultimate Frisbee for PT if your in to that though.

Going to Basic end of July for infantry, excited, just finished uni was told not to bother doing reserves by most ppl during my uni time, def right call looking back.

>>33890234
>Just finished uni
>Joining as infantry

Bahahahaha you idiot

>>33890259
>Not following your dreams

Its okay not everyone gets to, I come from a Mennonite family had to appease them before.

>>33890268
Well I mean, kudos for that, but you're gonna come to slow realization in BMQ. A realization that will just grow more evident the longer you spend in. The fact is, a good 60% of the forces are blithering pants-on-head retards or have no interest in doing their job or fulling their role to any capacity. Infantry is a shitty go, and if you plan on making this a career, literally anything is better for your standard of living, especially if like keeping your mind active.

how bad is combat engineer reserves?
thinking of joining while in school

>>33890041

>It works in some trades, but hinders most of them. Works well for Navy since it's insanely important for everyone to know as much as they can about their ship.

I could understand that in the navy I guess, and maybe that was just a bad unit, but if that was any sort of representation of the leaf military overall ya'll are honestly just going to be in the way in the next major conflict. NCO corp is basically non-existent and no one has any real experience. I remember even the most senior of the crew chiefs in their flight company only had at most like 200~ crew hours. I mean fuck, I had pfcs and spcs with more than that just in my squad...

>>33890481
Yeah the air force does fuck all. Active sailors are expected to be out 90-180 days a year. You can max at like 300+ sea days a year if you really want to.

>>33879654
Sauvage

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As a young vancouverite this thread is depressing as fuk

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>>33873150
Tbh I think that we make good ARs (If we adopt Colt Canada's MRR as standard that would be fucking awesome), I love CADPAT, and I think that we have decent quality snipers, but we're taking care of our military very, very poorly. Hell, this week the minister of defence even publicly stated that we're basically fucked budget wise. I mean, we decommissioned our last destroyer in March, and while The Halifax-Class frigates are downright sexy IMO, they don't stand a chance against anything bigger than another frigate.

At least the replacement for the Sea Kings seems to be nice, and The Leopard 2A4M CAN (Basically a 2A4 with modified 2A7+ Armor) looks alright.

But hey, at least we produced the LAV III from the MOWAG Piranha.

>>33879097
When you have five different ministers announcing everything military related, you know you're fucked.

>>33882512
That damn RCMP jetty. Could'nt find my way back there after getting shitfaced at Ironworks last year. Nothing came out of that incident, since a girl lost the tip of her thumb at Pat Bay while practicing berthing that day.

>>33883523
What year did you get your ticket? I've been on the Workhorse in '06, '07 and '08, on and off; this is where I got my A-Ticket.

Im a young leaf, can i join the marines?

>>33882512
Is that the entire RCN?

>>33890268
>Your Dreams

Most people choose to dream about doing infantry in a war not peacetime. Deployments aren't even that often so it'll be a lot of staying at the Barracks.

Try looking at all your options, it just isn't that good right now to jump straight into infantry.

>>33886133
Sig lyfe. But seriously I fucking hate my trade and coworkers. Also fuck maple resolve

>>33891584
That's an Orca-class and Kingston-class.

The main fleet is:
>12 Halifax-class Frigates
>12 Kingston-class coastal defense vessles
>4 Victoria-class subs

Pretty shitty, since the gov hates the military.

>>33891093
Within the last two-three years.

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Why doesn't the canadian military have any SAM carriers or self-propelled anti-aircraft artillery?

>>33886304
>LAV's
Neither old or rusty, and are actual IFV's despite having wheels instead of tracks like the bradley.
>loaned 2A6's
we bought them
>no air defense
manpads, fighters, and a few sam missile batteries have been enough for a long time

>gunships
>AWACS
we do need these

>the navy
is supposed to be in the process of upgrading its existing ships with their half-life refit, along with building some more... but considering the Harper govt. told us that they cost 1/3rd the real price, it's not really surprising the grits have been dragging their feet.

>the hot air he's blowing about NATO countries not honoring their 2% GDP
Considering he's also said NATO is useless, why the fuck should nations honour the 2% GDP requirement?

>>33892038
>and a few sam missile batteries

source?

>>33892038
> told us that they cost 1/3rd the real price,

Actually that was a fair price. The problem is we're literally asking the corporate equivalent of the mob to build the ships for us. Vice Admiral Norman even called the bosses of Irving "insufferable assholes" and "the 4 horsemen of the apocalypse"

Fuck Canadian shipbuilding. The use can develop the Zumwalt for $22B and build them for $4B a ship.

You really think 15 PRE-DESIGNED ships will cost $42B to build?

>>33873380
Your a Boot, a pog or a weekend warrior looking for attention. The Canadian small teams (Recon / Snipers) are of a high standard. Do some research into the Aasam / Bisley and the Canadian international sniper concentrations and look at the results.

>>33891850
I probably didn't get to sail with you then. Were you on the 'horse when "it" happened?

>>33879295
>Chinese-Canadian
I swear to god dem slit-eyed motherfuckers are all sleeper agents waiting to take syrup-land when WWIII starts

>>33892117
No, but if you really think that the Harper was being honest about the price tag, when it was never honest about where it was spending our money for a single moment, you're the even bigger fool.

I'm 20 years old, only have my high school diploma, and I don't know what the fuck to do with my life. I want to join the military, but the Canadian Forces seem like a joke.

Is it even worth going to a recruitment center?

>>33881277
>Leaf admin types and they bitched about LITERALLY EVERYTHING while going out of their way to not only not do anything themselves but sabotage the work of others.
Yeah im starting to see that alot in Canada.

>>33893605
just look at it online
http://www.forces.ca/en/jobexplorer/browsejobs-70

plenty of different things you can join up and get into, many of which will also train you for a 'fallback' once you find out it's not as much of a joke as you thought it was.

though mind you, it's different than it used to be, soldiers just 30 years ago were subjected to all sorts of shit that would be considered some sort of 'politically incorrect hatecrime' these days.
atleast for ground forces

airforce 30 years ago did about as much as they do now, bitch and moan while barely ever leaving the country.

>>33893605
and yes military dentistry is a thing

>>33892372
Haha no. I joined the ship not long after that though. Later sailed with many of the people intimately involved. One of whom went on to win a creepy Pedo stash competition

>>33893701
Thanks friend. I was slightly bothered by all the politically correct bullshit, I want something that will actually push me to thrive. But I guess that is Canada for you, eh?

>>33893874
if you can't thrive just because you can't get called a faggot by your drill sgt maybe you shouldnt be in a field where your actions may cause the death of your friends

>>33893940
It just seems too watered down, they're the fucking military yet they're afraid of offending anyone. Nowadays the forces don't seem like they're actually there to do their job, they're just there to pull a publicity stunt. "Oh look, we're so inclusive! Our military consists mainly of women, gays and minorities and we want our police, military, and entire government to be made up of this demographic as much as possible because we don't have a backbone and if somebody verbally abuses you or puts you through hardship in order to toughen you up then they should be punished because we are Canadian and the last thing we would wanna do is hurt somebody's feelings!"

>>33891642
Ha! Gayyyyyy
Hey its great being in a black trade, you get overworked and cant leave once your burnt out!
And hey living in p12 aint that bad....for 2 months

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>>33893605
Look at the recruitment twitter and become discouraged from all the minorities, gays, and women they're trying to recruit.

>>33894519
I am activly fighting this, starting with fat shaming weak coworkers

>>33888420
>Canada collapses.
>We're out of maple syrup forever.
>Then every waffle house across the United States closes.
>The recession lasts for hundreds of years and is written into history as the "Modern Dark Ages."

>>33894519
>implying that doing their job and being inclusive are incompatible

>>33889754
Limeys played with it for a while too.

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>>33893605
I give my friends this spiel all the time. The Forces is an excelent career. Yes, it's full of BS and most civis hate you. However you will learn a lot (most of which is transferable), you have awesome benefits (I went to the dentist like 8 times my first year in, because I could), you build a great pension (At 25 years you will receive 80% of your yearly salary per year once you retire), and there's figuratively no entry bar (other than MP and some other trades). Just don't go infantry if you want to make a career out of it.

>>33873435
UN*

>>33880419
Did you do boot with him or are you in Virginia with him? This story sounds exactly like my best friends.

>>33892038
yeah I was mostly shitposting, but the military is pretty underequipped.

Here's what it needs to be actually sufficiently equipped

An upgrade program for the LAV(they're good vehicles, but the next generation of armour is about to hit the streets)
More Leo 2A6s
Puma IFVs
Apaches
F-35s
More C17s
More CC-150 tankers
E-7 wedgetail
and for fuck's sake the ERYX was supposed to be replaced last year. Just buy some damn Javelins.

>>33891916
american doctrine. Don't need no AA if your air force is completely overwhelming to the enemy.

>>33873562
Gee wnder why that is

>>33895070
Also be prepared to live and work around some of the dumbest people you will ever meet this side of corrections.

The military takes people that are a few IQ points over being legally retarded, which is why everything, and I mean everything, is instructed and taught. This because if they don't show you the exact way, down to the hand motions, some borderline retarded "squad mate" can and will kill you by doing something stupid.

Do you know why the military can give away shit like free college tuition and home loans? Because most of the people in there won't have any need for those things in their lives of sorting recycling, or careers in screaming at fire hydrants while waving their penis at traffic when they get out.

Be warned.

OP here
Anything I should no before doing basic training also would it be better to pack heavy or light?

>>33888245
I'm friends with a guy who serves in an Air Force unit out in Edmonton or so and he and his buddies all seem to be major gamers. The guy I know was literally on staff for Vega Squadron's DOTA 2 team for a brief stint

>>33896570
Hardest part about basic is the sewing and being sick all the time. Bring medicine and you'll be fine. The 1st 5 days you'll be running around in civvies so wear something that you're fine sweating in that meets the criteria: comfy shoes, lulu ABC pants, athletic button up. Everything you pack you'll have to carry a kilometer to your room and up like 8 flights of stairs. You don't need much anyways

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>>33873150
Gimme your thicc ladies and we'll talk

Let's see.

You are drastically outpaced technologically by the Australians, by a huge margin. Thank trudeau for that.

Probably still better off psychologically and wellfare wise than an american, even with your outdated eqp.

>>33893598
>waah! harper!
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