Would a 10/22 be good for innacity combat?

The Israelis certainly think so, as they use suppressed semi auto .22lr weapons for shooting specific rioters.

>>33869854
An American 180 would be great for riot control: just have a couple of men tracking back and forth at knee &/or abdomen height.

>>33869854
Half mass times velocity squared.

You need to at least provide one of these abundantly.

>>33870012
math is for fags you fag

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>>33869855
>>33869854
Yes

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>>33870012
why not both?

>>33869854
Yeah, for the same reason a 223 based rifle is objectively better than a 7.62x39 rifle. More parts commonality and everyone has the ammo. Also city combat will be 100yds and in so a 22lr would be great for that.
Worst part of the 22lr is the reduced reliability of a rimfire cartridge.

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>>33870072

>>33870035
>reality hurts my feelings because I'm a poorfag barely above a noguns

Keep trying underage b&

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my body is ready

>>33871599
I appreciate the look of this setup every time I see it

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>>33869854
Yah, it would be great. You get to use an unreliable round that has next to no practical penetration in an urban environment. Hell anyone with a flak vest from their local army navy store will be relativity safe from it. It also has next to no stopping power and accuracy is the only key to it's lethality so it would be great for trying to out shoot that guy firing at you with a 7.62 round behind a car. Not only that, but any .22LR round that isn't sub sonic has a loud crack that for some reason people seem to forget.

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>>33871614
Thank you

>>33871633
This.

Being poor and only owning a 22 is no excuse for trying to fool yourself into thinking a squirrel killer is a combat round.

Get yourself a weapon that fires an intermediate cartridge for innacity.

>>33871633
>You get to use an unreliable round

Don't buy shit ammo, and you'll be fine.

>that has next to no practical penetration

Bullshit bullshit bullshit - a thousand times bullshit. Videos dispelling this are all over YouTube.

>Hell anyone with a flak vest from their local army navy store will be relativity safe from it.

Which will be basically nobody besides the cops (and you shouldn't be shooting them) in an urban riot/SHTF/WROL. Videos from LA, Ferguson, Baltimore, and other enrichment episodes are all over the web. How many of the rioters are wearing "flak vests"?

>It also has next to no stopping power

Could there be any more bullshit of a fudd meme than this?

>and accuracy is the only key to it's lethality

Hey dipshit - accuracy is the only key to the lethality of ANY round. This board is full of idiots who think that heavy caliber and magazine capacity are acceptable substitutes for being able to hit what you're shooting at. "Spray and pray" is the combat philosophy of child soldiers with rusty AKs in some shithole in Africa. But they're 12 years old and have an IQ of 65 - what's your excuse?

>Not only that, but any .22LR round that isn't sub sonic has a loud crack that for some reason people seem to forget.

As opposed to that whisper-quiet 7.62?

GTFO

>>33871727
>Could there be any more bullshit of a fudd meme than this?

anon you do know that stopping power is a thing right?

the muh stoppin powa meme came from the 9mm vs .45 shit posting

any round that has mass to it has stopping power and it's idiotic to assume otherwise

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>>33869854
>>33871599
Charger Takedown 10" SBRd and receiver placed into normal charger stock....


>>33871633
>>33871665
yeah the democrats around me dont have flack jackets or vests or whatever, plus this is fun AF to shoot and cheap AF to shoot...

>>33871727
>wahh!!

>>33871788
Life isn't a Terminator movie, and incidents like the 1986 FBI shootout are rare. The vast majority of people who take a 22/100ths inch hunk of metal through their body at supersonic speed are going to stop. Yes, there are cases where they didn't. And there are cases of people taking shotgun blasts to the chest and walking away (right here, at the 2:30 mark: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_F_KuFzjOGA). So what? The magnumitis here gets annoying after a while.

>>33871788
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAkOzr6cDx0
regardless of your fuddlore

>>33871823
>>wahh!!
Of all the things that ever weren't an argument, this is not an argument the most.

>>33871633
So what you're saying is, I need an American 180 to rip and tear my way through people. Got it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rfJy4exPFE

>>33871807
Nice sbr, I'm the underfolder guy, I want a new barrel, optics + iron sights, what get? I want to hopefully co-witness with the irons.

>>33869854
I bought my 10/22 back in 1998 and haven't looked back. I now want another with folding stock and grip. What is this stock/model called?

Why are there so many people on /k/ that think shooting someone with a .22 is going to be effective in any way?

>>33871848
>people taking shotgun blasts to the chest and walking away
Yes with bird shot, would be better off shooting them with a .22 at that point, bird shot is absolute garbage. If that had been 00 buck or a slug in the video she would have been dead right there.

>>33872212
Better than hurling rocks, I guess.

>>33871807
>Cheap and fun is my argument in a discussion about effectiveness.

Never breed, kill yourself.

>>33872212
>Why are there so many people on /k/ that think shooting someone with a .22 is going to be effective in any way?
Tell you what: give me your address. I'll come by, shoot you with my .22, and you can tell me how ineffective it was. Deal?

>>33872364
yep, and pellet guns are perfectly legitimate defensive weapons too
>inb4 they're not
Tell you what: give me your address. I'll come by, shoot you with my pellet gun, and you can tell me how ineffective it was. Deal?

>>33872415
>Tell you what: give me your address. I'll come by, shoot you with my pellet gun, and you can tell me how ineffective it was. Deal?
I'll consider that to be you conceding my point. Thanks.

>>33872415
If I had a semiautomatic high capacity pellet gun that was rocking them out at 1000fps I'd be comfortable with that as a defensive tool.

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>>33872432
>>33872431
im curious though, why not use .22 cb?
>can still kill someone
>half the size of .22
>half the weight

>>33872364
Absolutely, you have a deal. I'll then draw and shoot you with my 9mm, because I'll still be standing and quite upset.

.22lr is not reliably lethal, period. I don't know why this triggers the fuck out of people. It doesn't have the velocity or mass to deal with most bones, or the energy to do much to internal structures.

>>33872459
>doesn't cycle

The problem with all the discussions like these that happen here is that a lot of people here are too autistic to understand the difference between "adequate" and "ideal". A 10/22 is perfectly adequate for home defense or an urban SHTF scenario. But would it be what I'd pull out of my closet if I had to walk through that? Nope - that would be my Mini-14 or my Mossberg shotgun. Still, if a 10/22 was all I had, I'd get by just fine. There's a lot of space between "this tool is the perfect choice for this task" and "this tool won't work at all".

P.S. I never cease being amazed by the people here who think that what they'll face in a personal defense situation will be the cops from Jin-Roh or maybe the T-1000. Nope - it'll almost certainly just be some nignogs in t-shirts and backwards ball caps. Against them, .22 will be perfectly adequate.

>>33872479
Not the guy you're having the argument with but let me ask you: how many rounds of .22lr do you think it would take you to stop whatever it was that you were doing? If its any more than 25, you win because thats how much 10/22s can hold in the bx mags.

>>33872488
I thought we were doing hypotheticals in this thread. What about 2mm pinfire. Wouldnt a semi auto 2mm pinfire gun be the most optimal? Why has no one made that yet?
>can carry almost unlimited ammo
>can still kill someone
>basically silent

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>>33872488
forgot picture

>>33872479
>Absolutely, you have a deal. I'll then draw and shoot you with my 9mm, because I'll still be standing and quite upset.
What do you need me around to prove this for? Shoot yourself with a .22 and post pics. And go for a chest shot - no pussy wounds in the leg or arm. Make sure the pics are time stamped.

>>33872527
Once again, get me something semiautomatic, high capacity, and with at least 11 inches of penetration and I'll be comfortable with it.

You're being retarded on purpose to try and prove a point. Bear in mind you're still being retarded.

>>33872553
>all these requirements
>implying any of this matters
Shoot yourself with a 2mm pinfire and post pics. And go for a chest shot - no pussy wounds in the leg or arm. Make sure the pics are time stamped.

Leading a target with a 22lr is harder than it is with a 556...FACT

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>>33872579
give me one advantage 556 gives over 2mm pinfire
>556 is 100 times heavier
>2mm pinfire will still kill someone with shot placement so terminal ballistics dont matter
>easier to shoot because the recoil is non existent
>can carry 100x more pinfire ammo
>pinfire is not a huge magnum round like .22lr so its silent

>>33871848
>uses example with birdshot

nice point there friendo

ITT: half of the anons don't realize that a 60gr SSS round has enough energy to be lethal at like 200yrds

.22LR isn't a good round to count on but it is certainly lethal is properly placed. It's just bad at doing some things like cracking multiple bones, staying on course, making a big hole, or being reliable.

Protip: if a round can pop through your skull and kill you it can pop through your sternum or ribs and do the same thing.

>>33870012
Shit like this is why people should be required to have a license to breed.

>>33872331
yeah cheap and fun, and if i shoot you in the chest with standard velocity .22 ammo through a 10" barrel suppressed from 100 yards you are going to die. You aren't running around in body armor, you aren't kitted out, and if its going that way you think I'll roll that? No. You'll get a 7.62x51 in the chest instead. And I'm the one who's supposed to kill myself. Sure.

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>>33873032
not him but
>7.62x51 going through my armor

>>33873192
What exactly is this trying to get across, that there's some mechanical tolerance built in to facilitate rimmed cartridge extraction and that this is a non-issue going by their prove track record?

>>33873207
It's my BX25 mag that is brand new and doesn't feed. When I googled it they have a lot of complaints. All I see ITT are BX25 mags. Right now I'm trying the cut down .22 shell fix.

>>33873241
Sucks. I've never had any issues with mine, nor have most folk. Pretty sure ruger will replace it no questions asked if you contact them.

>>33873047
I love how all you think that your going to be running around all gear queer to the max, some post apocalypse scenario, and your armor is going to stop everything that gets shot at you. Love it.

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>>33873439
>I love how all you think that your going to be running around all gear queer to the max
I dont see why not if its really complete shtf. No I dont think it will make me invincible or anything like that.
>and your armor is going to stop everything that gets shot at you
I hope you're shooting 50bmg because .338 lapua magnum wont penetrate level IV reliably either. Its hillarious that you think .308 will.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paf3VtmLZuc

>>33873572

That video is useless without a clay test.

>THE BULLET DOESN'T PENETRATE, THAT MEANS I'LL BE SAVED FROM THE TRANSFERAL OF KE!

Wrong.

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Minez. My favorite all around gun.

>>33870051
holy fuck that's a thing of beauty

>>33873635
yeah thats fine, its 338, not the 308 you mentioned, and when level IV is rated to 30-06 armor piercing, it will stop your little baby 7.62x51. In fact if I was standing on one foot it probably wouldnt even knock me off my feet.
https://youtu.be/aaS_2l8nGdg?t=1m47s

>>33873241
Are you using hollow-points? Mine malfunctioned every time I tried them.

>>33872527
Where's my 6000 RPM belt fed 2mm Kolibri microgun?

>>33873753
Yes. CCI. The stock 10 round mags feed them fine.

>>33873635
>I don't get how ceramic plates work the post
You should probably just stick to arguing how .22 is a good shtf round because you're out of your depth here.

>>33869855
>>33870051
Okay, I assume the .22 is to prevent over-penetration in crowds?

>>33873635
Protip: armor is easier to penetrate without a backing because the backing absorbs the energy from the round. i get what you're trying to say about back face deformation being important and that high energy rounds can even cause some BFT but that ain't shit compared to getting a hole poked in you. If two guys meet on open terrain inside of 100m and one has a 5.56 caliber rifle and the other has a .22 but level IV body armor then the guy with armor is much better off.

>>33874045
Less lethal. i believe the doctrine at the time was to aim at the legs to immobilize/incapacitate key members of unruly crowds. since they're Israelis and these crowds are Palestinians shooting them with "just" a .22 is no biggy legally.

>>33874099
well if both are deadly, wouldn't the guy not weighed down by level IV body armor have an advantage? wouldn't this firefight last approximately 5 seconds?

>>33874099
>the guy with the armor and .22 is better off
I'm not discounting how awesome ceramic armor is here, but I think you're over estimating how good a .22 is.

Especially if we're saying he has a normal armor set up of torso and side plates.

>>33874045
No the idea was to wound them. As >>33874120 said Israiles don't give a fuck.

>>33874138
>>33874135
Not him but I can see where hes coming from. Basically whoever scores the first incapacitating hit wins, the .22 guy can hit the heart or the head of the .223 guy. The .223 guy pretty much has to get a headshot. Obviously there are a lot of other random factors like who sees who first, if the .22 guy will just drop his gun and shit his pants if he gets hit in the finger or something etc.

>>33870051
Anyone know what the Jew runes say underneath the disco penis on the riot shield?

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>>33872520
>tfw his 10/22 malfunctions and he gets culturally enriched

>>33872459

cb 22 ammo is only good for plinking at short ranges under 50yrd while being very quiet(no earpro needed) without a suppressor. It's okay on small varmint at close range but that's about it.

>>33872639
Fudd. Pure unadulterated Fudd. So much kek. Tighten up that fanny pack and don't forget your tactical computer glasses.

>>33874222
you wont be laughing when im feeding 2mm pinfire belts from my fanny pack into my 12000 RPM belt fed 2mm Kolibri microgun

>>33874177
.223 guy has to get a headshot
Or the legs, pelvis, arms, or shoulders.

Again, I'm not discounting how awesome ceramic armor is, I know multiple guys who've gotten hit in their plates and been okay, I just think he's overestimating a bit.

In the given scenario while the armor will generally stop any immediately lethal wounds, the wearer is still fairly vulnerable without cover. And .22 isn't going to make up for that vulnerability.

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>>33872850

Was always partial to these.

>>33874099
>this guy

frankly i was assuming some sort of completely unrealistic situation where they both go at each other like terminators to eliminate the influence of extraneous factors on this thought experiment. After all this is a question regarding whether .22lr rounds are lethal and if level IV body armor offers significant protection against common rifle threats.

IMHO while both may very well end up dying sooner or later the guy without body armor will likely die first. He would have to get an extremely lucky hit on his armored opponents femoral artery, neck, or head to end the fight in a timely fashion. That or quite literally put so many rounds into the .22 guys armor that it fails and then hit him somewhere vital.

>.22 guy and .223 guy meet on the field of battle at aprx 100yrds deadliest warrior style

>both immediately place effective fire on each other.

>.22 guys armor effectively protects against the 3-5rnds of .223 that him him in the chest/abdominal area. Perhaps an errant round or two hits his arm or legs seriously limiting mobility or fighting ability.

>.223 guy took 6-10rnds more or less COM to stop returning fire before slumping to the ground and getting fed the rest of .22lr guys mag to make sure he stays there.

>.22lr guy either ends up with the worst battle hang over of his life or dead by morning depending on his luck

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>>33871599
Checked. Also, I like your stock, thinking about getting something similar myself and ditching the wood.

>>33872539
>if you don't want to shoot yourself with a .22 it's a viable self defense round
>airsoft and bb guns are viable self defense rounds

>>33874701
Not to mention over a course of time, by which i mean living daily life in a SHTF or WROL situation, level IV body armor might save you from all kinds of things that would be completely independent of what rifle you carry.

>snipers
>ambushes
>being collateral damaged by a drive by, bomb, etc

IMHO an item that directly keeps your insides on the inside is just more important than an intermediate caliber rifle.

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>innacity

you want something that can get through concrete or brick walls

>>33873660
Odd looking but seemingly functional stock.

>>33873572
nice link. I always wondered about .338 vs armor but haven't looked it up myself for some reason

>>33874712
I was just doing research and I've been looking at exactly that quad rail. I would install it on this stock and use MBUIS and red dot. It would look sick. Where did you order yours? I noticed the original maker of that rail doesn't sell anymore but another company started selling them.

>>33871727
>But they're 12 years old and have an IQ of 65 - what's your excuse?

A lot of people on here fit this description.

>>33874203
Border Guard.

>>33874764

>Hey look, that guy is wearing full body armor.
>I want it.

Goodbye.

>>33870051

Heeb buddy of mine said that guys in his squad called it the 'shin breaker'.

Main to pop Arab stone throwing kids in the knees or shins. Also great on dogs,satellite and cell tower repeaters.and streetlights.

>>33873032
You're autism is showing.

You can tell when the 16 year old noguns/oneguns get out of school and start shitting up k, because we go from-

>5.56 is a wounding round!
Bullshit to
>My 10/22 makes me a high-speed lowdrag oper8er whiskey tango Oorah debadawg
Bullshit.

Yet again, kill yourself.

Cash me outside
How bout dat

>>33874252
223 is also likely firing m193 or xm193 which will outrange while still being in fragmentation distance of most common barrel lengths.

Suddenly thigh hits can kill. Same with upper arms thanks to the brachial artery.

Corpsmen forced to treat jockies have pretty good stories about just that.

>>33876474
>Corpsmen forced to treat jockies

I know this probably doesn't mean what I think it does, but I'm going to keep imagining that we were for a short while fighting an insurgency of tiny horsemen.

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Good for repelling rioters I suppose.

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>>33872639
>>33872535
>>33872527

I like you. You're a funny guy. Everything else in this thread is dildos.

I'm fully converted to the pinfire crowd.

>>33870072
You've never owned a 10/22 have you?
It will eat brick after brick of bulk ammo with no issues.

>>33873032
I'm legit curious if a 22 at 100 yards could even get through the rib bone, and if it did, with enough energy to actually be lethal.

I'm curious considering how it will ride a skull and other nonlethal wounds it causes, plus, 30gr at 1400 fps isn't going to carry velocity and energy for long.

>>33876574
>I'm legit curious if a 22 at 100 yards could even get through the rib bone, and if it did, with enough energy to actually be lethal.

Easily.

>>33876582
Care to show your work?

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>>33876574
That's not a lot of punch

Meanwhile from SAE( Society of Automotive Engineers).

"Biomechanical injury tolerance levels:
Throat- 300 lbs of force
Frontal bone ( forehaed)- 1900 lbs
Back of head ( occiptal)- 2100 lbs
Temporal - 1400 lbs
Zygomatic-800 lbs
mandible - 800 lbs
maxilla - 500 lbs
Lat. Maxilla - 700 lbs
"nasal bone"- 200 lbs
Cervical vertebra - 500 lbs
Crown of head - 1350 lbs
area above the ear - 650 lbs
sternum with 4" defelction ( penetration) - 960 lbs
ribs - 400 lbs ( 1-3 ribs are the hardest, 4-9 the most common to fracture)"

>>33876617
Continued

So that's blunt trauma of course, but a Rib bone has about equal tolerance to a vertebra, and I'm not seeing a projectile that small breaking it easily as someone above said, nor if it does, continuing with much power at all. Small rounds bleed off energy quickly.

>>33873192
You can fix that wobbly feed with this mod:
http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=463407&highlight=bx+25+mods

Also you can pull that spring out of the housing, extend it, and give it a twist to bring the tension up.

>>33874045
>Okay, I assume the .22 is to prevent over-penetration in crowds?
No, it saves them money :^)

>>33871848
lol, birdshot, really?

If you want to be a faggot shooting peas.

>>33871727
>Spray and pray
What is fully automatic weapons and machine guns?
How many fully automatic machine guns have scopes to improve accuracy?

>>33875037
Try Amazon, that's where I got mine

>>33876439
wtf I love the 10/22 now.

>>33871727
Exactly this.

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>over-penetration in crowds?

>>33877768
Wishful thinking doesn't make a poorfag/underage b& kid's rifle effective. Get passed it.

>>33872459
.22 Cute Bullet

>>33874893
the goofy handguard keeps the POI from shifting by not making contact with the barrel.

>>33876439
>satellite and cell tower repeaters
What? Please elaborate.

>>33876439
THIS IS AWESOME

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I wouldn't hesitate to use mine.

>>33879288
And I wouldn't hesitate to use a rock if it's all I had. Doesn't make it effective.

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>>33874120
>Less lethal
>aim at the legs
pick one and only one

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>>33876986
>>33873241
>Right now I'm trying the cut down .22 shell fix.

>>33872212
Because getting shot with a .22LR is kind of a big deal I guess. Kills lots of people world wide every year.

>>33872459
If you have every had to deal with Racoons or ground hogs you would know that 22cb isn't even a humane head shot. 22LR drops them in 1. However .22 is not an ideal city combat rd. Its better than a club but the last caliber I would choose.

>>33881476
Finally someone on the pro-22 side with a fucking brain.

Could it kill?
At the right distance, with the right scenario.

Does this make it an EFFECTIVE round for city COMBAT?

No. It makes it an option, but a shit one.

>>33879361

Eh, worse they do is kill someone with a gun