Mauser Vs Mosin

>>33864586
Mauser, now kys for even asking such a stupid question with such an obvious answer

>>33864586
Mosin
>Higher quality
>Better cartrige
>More reliability
Mauser
>shitty rifle loved by wehraboos
Figure it out

>>33864586
You're a fucking moron if you even have to ask that.

>>33864640
>>33864604
samefag

>>33864586
Enfield

>>33864653
This

But Mauser>mosin

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>>33864586
>Which is better?
Ford vs. Chevy.

>>33864810
More like BMW vs Lada

>>33864586
Mauser. The finish remanufactered mosins give the mauser a run for its money tho.>>33864586

>>33864586
I love the Mosin but you are one dumb fucker if you have to ask that. Mauser is all around better.

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>>33864586
>Gun that 90% of modern bolt actions are based on.
Or
>Gun that gun stores have trying to get rid of for decades.

>>33864586

>Which is better?

in terms of what? overall design? plinking? target shooting? disassembly and cleaning?

both have their pros and cons senpai.

>why not both?.png

Oh look, it's this thread again.

The mauser is objectively better in nearly every way, especially now since they almost cost the same. The only people who prefer mosins are slavaboos or are stuck in the early 2000s

The Mauser is slightly better from a mechanical perspective. It's still ultimately a preference though. Personally I prefer Mosins.

>>33864586
If you've ever shot both you will really appreciate the superiority of the mauser bolt design.

>>33864640
This. Why would anyone pick a rifle that lost both world wars?

>>33864586
Have both, mauser is sexier, but I enjoy the action of the mosin more. Stripper clips work a lot better in the mauser though.
So in the end, I like my mosin more because I think it's more fun.

Mauser

>>33864586
Mauser by miles. The Garbage Rod is a mediocre rifle at best, it only has a reputation because poorfags need to justify their purchase.

[>spoilersonk]But Arisaka is the real best bolt gun[/>spoilersonk]

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>>33864640

Mauser, kek my great grandfather was the chief of production in the original manufacturing in the Schwarzwald, Germany

>>33866668
The Mauser is leagues ahead of the garbage rod that is the mosin.

>33869584 (you)
Best I can do bud.

>>33869677
Here comes the resident slavshitter

Still not getting a (you).

>>33869079
Was it him who decided they should be shit and unable to hit anything?

M39 vs K98.

Mas 36

>>33864586
Being cheap was literally the only thing the mosin had going for it. Now it's just shit.
The mauser has better ergonomics, better cartridge, better bolt design, better trigger, better accuracy, better everything really. It is for a reason that the mauser design is still made by the thousands every year while all other bolt designs died.

>>33864640
Bait.

No one is that deluded.

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>>33864586
if the Mauser is good enough for the US its good enough for me.

>>33871120
The Krag was also good enough for the U.S.

>>33871224
Krag was a good rifle adopted right before it went out of date, it was mostly shit timing that ruined the krag.

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>>33864586
I used my cousin's Mauser last Christmas and holy hell that's a way nicer rifle compared to a Mosin.

IDK about accuracy or how reliable it was, but if felt and shot way nicer.

>>33864586
Going off my experience with a 91/30 and a Yugo M48, I preferred the Mosin.

>commercial x54R is not largely underpowered
>bolt is much easier to disassemble and reassemble
>better irons

Although on the second point, the Mauser bolt is probably easier to disassemble if your rifle has the notch in the stock. Mine didn't.

>>33871323
A novelty rifle at best.
>>33870859
This is the true king of bolt guns.

>>33867567
>spoiler
Is it really that good? What's special about it?
There's a Type 38 with a scratched up mum going for $350 after tax near me, is that a good price on them?

>>33871771
They basically combined the best elements of the G98 and G88/M95 families of rifles, plus a very advanced heat treat for the time. They're extremely strong, and have excellent gas mitigation and water drainage. The safety is very easy to use with gross motor functions or while wearing gloves. I'm also a big fan of the 6.5mm Arisaka cartridge, which is sortof an intermediate.

That depends. Arisakas were partially hand-fitted, so if the bolt doesn't match the receiver it'll be sticky and annoying to use. Arisakas have a bad reputation in the US for two reasons: late war last ditch models which were built in extreme conditions and suck as a result, and the fact that bringbacks usually got their bolts mixed up due to the way US troops cleaned their weapons.

The mum doesn't matter unless you're a collector. Check and make sure the serial numbers match, and that it's an early war model. In that case, it's a pretty good deal. But at that price it's more likely a mixed up rifle.

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>>33871771
$350 seems like a lot. I picked up mine for $250.
No mum and no dust cover but the stock is in great shape.

>>33872215
When did you get it? Milsurp prices have been going up lately.

>>33872230
Few months ago at a gun show. $250-300 seemed to be the going rate there for Type 38s and 99s. Exception was 99 paratrooper which was going for significantly more.

>>33872200
weeb spotted

>>33872262
>weeaboos
>on 4chan
Imagine that

>>33872256
>$250-300 seems to be the going rate
I'm so fucking happy I didn't buy the Type 99 Long Rifle that my local Cabela's had recently. $900 with no matching serials and an intact mum.

>>33864586
>Mosin bolt
Number built: 50 million

>Mauser bolt
number built: 110+ million

>>33872314
Long rifles are fairly rare.

>>33866668
>slightly
>mechanical perspective
Slavboo leave.

You can argue your garbage rod is better than the Italian shit. But Mauser is a better rifle in EVERY single way.

The only advantage the mosin had was price of production. And that was because of communist qc.

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>>33872262
I believe when it comes to bolt actions with five round mags, they are the best.
Two decent calibers to choose from, a variety of lengths, sturdy and smooth action, extremely easy to disassemble and clean, dust cover actually work when in dirty conditions.
One of the few areas where Japan definitely had their stuff together was rifles. Kijirō Nambu knew very well what he was doing.

>>33872416
>Kijirō Nambu knew very well what he was doing.
He was essentially the Jap JMB

>>33872416
It's true, the arisaka is a really good design and a very good rifle.

They're under appreciated, and I wish for one.

Also from a machinists perspective, they are very simple and easy to machine. I have a blow up somewhere and the parts aren't too complex.

>>33872398
>Slavaboo
I don't think so Tim.

>>33864586
Garand

>>33864586
>all these idiots on about the Arisaka
Three words.
Cock.
On.
Close.
FUCK THAT SHIT.
The '98 pattern action was invented for a reason and they dropped the '93/6 (I forget exactly which) action for a reason.

The Japanese cloned this action and did a damn fine job of it, but the action at its core is not as nice as a good cock on open action.

>>33873073
There's nothing wrong with cock on close. I actually prefer it.

>>33873073
Cock on close and less than ideal sights are the only flaws in the Arisaka design. The Mauser 98 has plenty more, and larger flaws at that.

>>33873201
Like?
>>33873131
So having a fat bruise on your hand by the third magazine is a bonus?

Okay then. I guess it's all up to you bro.

>>33873201
yeah that explains why the Arisaka bolt really took off and became the most common firearm platform ever made

>>33873201
>The Mauser 98 has plenty more, and larger flaws at that.
Such as?

>>33873073
I've heard people talk shit about cock on close before, but what about it is bad?

>>33873253
Adding spring pressure right at the end right on top of pressing a round into battery is a wonderful way to give everyone bruises on your palm.

Overall, it's just a pretty meh method of cocking a bolt gun compared to just saying fuck it and making it cock on open.

>>33873235
I've never had a problems with bruising or anything like that from it.
Rather have the cocking done as I'm pushing forward and the turning the bolt (On the Arisaka, the cuts in the receiver help cam the bolt to close it), than having a tougher time turning the bolt handle up and jerking back harder to cock and also extract an expanded casing.

>>33873286
So it makes the last bit of closing the bolt more difficult?

>>33873310
The added spring pressure.

Plus you can't use the mass of the bolt to slap a round in.
The spring usually negates it and pulls the round back out a little defeating the purpose.

>>33873308
Huh.
I always enjoyed the ability to beat the bolt out of battery without causing problems.

It's a matter of preference I guess.

I've just never liked the action or the calibers and found that regular Mausers tended to just work out better for me.

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>>33873356
That sounds pretty sucky actually. I really enjoy how smooth the finish is when I'm chambering a fresh round in my Israeli Mauser it's not nearly as fast as an enfield but it's still a slick action.

pic related

>>33873379
I will say the one thing I prefer off the Mauser is the safety flag. I see what they were going for with the Arisaka's knob, but that thing does leave marks on my hand and sometimes it just snaps back into fire if you're not harsh enough with how your turn it.

>>33873286
>bruises on your palm
>cock on close
Thin skinned weak city kid who has never worked a honest day in his life pls go.

>>33873433
>I do remodel work for people like churches and businesses

Okay then. Sure.
>>33873388
Yup. Like sliding your dick into a wet pussy
>>33873416
Huh.
Never fiddled with the safety on one of all things.
I always disliked the Mauser style of safety; it usually locks up on me and never wants to go into safe

>>33872329
True, but non-matching and in shit condition.

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>>33873458
Only problems I've had with the Mauser's safety is when disassembling the bolt for cleaning and the safety flag drops from the middle takedown position and locks everything up. It acts like the rifle has just fired and is still closed and it can be a real bitch to correct if you don't have a vice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-3QRX3vuq4

>>33873237
Yes, military rifles and hunting rifles are exactly the same thing.
>>33873235
>>33873244
Shitty sights, more complicated take down, lack of easy access to the magazine, lack of sight protection (except on the 98az). Probably some others I'm forgetting.

>>33873719
I had that on day. Fucking. One.

I bought the rifle and brought it home (it's a Yugo M48 I'm talking about btw)
It did this and i spent almost three hours trying to fix it.

It's happened many times since but I figured out the quick fix.

You flip the bolt around and then put it in the little striker channel backwards.
You should have it with the handle on the left, the face facing you, and the striker facing towards the chamber with the strikers catch surface inside the channel.
Then use your right hand to hold the bolt down and your left hand the lift the bolt handle.
Voila.

>>33873993
>complicated takedown
What.
Unless you mean detail stripping, no.
>lack of easy access to the magazine
No.
Bullet tips are easy to find and all you have to do is have the magic touch. Why you're pulling the magazine out is beyond me though.
Also, isn't it the same on an Arisaka?
>lack of sight protection
This is a comparison of ACTIONS, not RIFLES.
Most Mausers have good sight protectors.

And the sights are pretty shitty.
I have to agree on that.
But they're not the grays anatomy level BS you have to learn to fully use Arisaka sights and are also more durable as a result.

>>33873997
Ha. Happened to me my first day with my M48 as well.
I searched what I could describe the problem as and thankfully found that video I linked. I've once or twice since but it's not so bad when you know how to fix it.

Out of curiosity, does your M48 have a really bulky stock? I have small hands and find it almost too much to hold reliably but I've picked up G98s and K98s and could get a firm grip on them just fine. Seems the M48s (at least some of them) are really thick.

>>33874028
>>33873997
I've never had it happen on my german 98k, maybe its more of an issue on yugos?

>>33874079
Probably the metal used means a difference in friction.

That or I'm a fucking moron who regularly almost takes off his own limbs by doing stupid shit.
>>33874028
It's bulkier than a regular Kar 98/Gewehr 98 is that's what you're asking.

the Yugo pattern is actually out of spec and slightly larger than regular German/Czech pattern Mausers due to them making up for being unable to source the exact steel grades specified for Mauser 1898 pattern actions.
Their recievers are thicker, their lugs slightly beefier, barrel profiles slightly thicker, etc.

And all of this culminates in a larger overall action requiring a slightly larger stock.

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>>33873997
>>33873719
I made this mistake the day I got my Mauser from Classic Firearms and thought I had broken the damn thing. Posted a thread on /k/ in a panic. Figured it out and then deleted the thread in shame.

>>33864586
M1 garand.
now fuck off

>>33874018
No, it's a comparison of rifles. You don't compare cars based on engines alone. No, the Arisaka is not the same. It's a simple push latch in the trigger guard. The Mauser 98 has screws and retention screws. And you need to get into the magazine for things like clearing a serious jam or cleaning. And yes, taking the action apart is more complicated than a Arisaka. If you've ever done so, you'd see why.

I also didn't know I needed a bachelor's degree to use a simple peep sight. Go figure.

>>33869758
Or maybe you're just a terrible shot.

>>33874181
Huh.
Okay then. Never pulled a magazine from an Arisaka.

However I would like to point out the beauty of a bolt action rifle is that most jams can be cleared by whacking the butt into the ground.

Anything more is simply gunsmithing, and you probably fucked shit up a whole hell of a lot more than disassembly will ever fix.

And I was talking about the anti aircraft sight.

And again, detail stripping is irrelevant.

>>33874118
>It's bulkier than a regular Kar 98/Gewehr 98 is that's what you're asking.
Yup, that's it. Beautiful rifle but it's just a little too bulky to be perfect for me.
I can shoot it fine but there's always a few times where I pull the trigger and don't have a great grip so I get what feels like a nice punch right into my bone.
First time I put 50 rounds through it I have a massive bruise on my shoulder because I was a novice and an idiot who couldn't shoulder it right.

>>33874149
I almost thought of making a thread when it happened but felt stupid since it was my first rifle and I didn't want to just get insulted or something.
Now it's funny seeing others have done the same thing and if someone asked for help here, I would try to give it to them.

>>33874242
Hey! It was my first centerfire rifle too!

An employee at my LGS who I now consider a friend actually sold it to me at a massive markup in 2013 ($700) and I bought it like a fucking moron.

And I bruised the shit out of myself with it too. I'm still going through my 400 round case of Iranian 8mm that I bought from Samco that I got.

And it would have made an excellent thread once the shitposters got finished.
Any legitimate question deserves a thread a thousand times more than the usual stupid fucking AK vs AR threads we have here 24/7.

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>>33874232
He's either ignorant or lying to try to back up his love of the Arisaka, the Mauser magazine can be disassembled without having to touch the screws which are there to hold the action into the stock.

>>33874181
>The Mauser 98 has screws and retention screws.

Except thats completely wrong, those screws and retention screws are what holds the action if the gun to the stock via a baseplate that the magazine floor plate is also connected to. you can disassemble the magazine of the Mauser 98 easily you just use the tip of a bullet or something similar to push the button on the bottom and then you can remove the magazine floor plate the spring an follower all out of the bottom without unscrewing anything.

The attached image shows someone doing it. He has a tool, but i do it all the time on mine with the tip of a bullet, its super simple and you don't have to remove the bolt or do anything else to access the magazine for a field strip and clean or to clear a jam/remove an obstruction.

>>33874323
I bought mine in 2014 for $450 at a show, also got a bayonet for another $60.

>>33874399
He's moving goal posts by going from field stripping to detail stripping man.

I know.
Just give up; the arisakafags (or isn't it just hillbilly being a samefag posing as some anons?) are idiots.
>>33874400
I wish mine had a bayonet.
It's a Cherrys in pristine condition though, so if nothing else it's an odd importer.

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>>33874232
>>33874399
Yeah I am a dumbass on that point. I had to come and look at my Mausers and sure enough I was wrong. My bad.

However, it still takes more to get to the magazine than a Arisaka. So still, objectively inferior.

And pic related is a Type 99 bolt. It takes exactly two notions of the hand to disassemble. You push in the safetyn and turn it. Then is apart. Much simpler than a Gew 98 or any other Mauser.

>>33871120
>>33871224
So were the 3 Million Mosins that the Russians never paid us for

>>33874461
>Gewehr 98
>take bolt out, press pin, rotate the entire assembly out the back
Now it's two pieces that are easy to clean off and lube.

Anything else is detail stripping and irrelevant.

And again, pulling the magazine out Is fucking pointless except for detail stripping.

Your points are both minor and only correct on technicalities.

The Arisaka's only redeeming quality is the heat treatment.

>>33874461
the striker and spring on the Arisaka look much lighter and weaker than the same parts on my Mauser 98 bolt, are light primer strikes more common on the arisaka?