Do muscles help in firefights? Pic is Brit SAS so I assume so.

>>33859360

>that tan

Exactly how certain are we he isn't really just an Australian? I mean, I don't see the VB, but he could just be hiding it out of frame.

When you're bulked up you get tired quicker. So no.

>>33859360
Endurance helps, muscles just happen to be a byproduct.

>>33859360
>Do muscles help in firefights?
bigger target, gas out faster when have to move, larger blood vessels hit in muscles if hit faster bleed-out, some rounds would over-penetrate a thin guy but will wreck full carnage in sufficient thick tissue.

i would say absolutely not.

You've got a meatshield protecting your vitals, I would say they help for when you get shot.

>>33859458
skeletor detected.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I've read several times that people are often suprised on seeing SAS operators that they are very often smallish men who are lean and sinewy rather than roided-up man-mountains. It seems to be the best body-type for what they do.

>>33859483
>You've got a meatshield protecting your vitals
kek, sure if you are playing paintball it works out like that.

Not really.

They do, however, assist in reaching advantageous positions through climbing, in reducing fatigue when carrying more and generally being useful.

Endurance is more important. I'd rather be able to squat in a really fucking uncomfortable position for six hours before the bombs drop on the fucker pinning me than be able to pick him up. That's why exoskeletons are being pushed so hard.

>>33859538
That's mostly just the male equivalent of womens magazines telling them they are all beautiful. The skinny weak male reading it will now think he could be an SAS operator.

>>33859360
ofcourse. i mean theres a fine line between "lmao get fuckin gainz brah and being too big for your heart to keep up, and actually being in peak physical condition

but yeah technically upper body, arm, wrist, hand etc strength helps alot with shooting just about any rifle or pistol. in a fucking firefight i'd rather be small and light with extremely good cardiovascular endurance over being big and strong.

if you can be both like i'm sure the seal in your pic is, more power to you. most people have to settle for one extreme or somewhere in the middle.

>>33859360
Not in firefights.
And to avoid them you have to carry your 80kg Bergen a few miles. There it helps a bit.

Besides, there is nothing else to do in a ten day insulation phase. Just learn your story, eat pressed dry 2500kcal cookies and lift.
At least in the 90s-00s years.

>>33859569
He will think that and be absorutery wong. Oper8ors are all endurance, unless they are the navy posterboy type. You don't need three metric shittons of power, you need to be able to get your rifle in to a spot where it can shoot the bad guy. That takes endurance and willpower, not retard strength. You can have retard strength if you like it, but its not what is needed. You need to be able to keep going when everyone else gives up, possibly while carrying one of your buddies and his gear.

>>33859360
For light fighters (rifle ammo sone water maybe a helmet) not really, will not slow down much if at all but limited benefits. Now for a soldier in armor carrying a skellington or two in combined combat load muscle is critical to be able to move in anything resembling quickly. Endurance is equally important for both combatants

>>33859538
My old man was EOD in the 90s, which led him to work with SAS on occasion. He maintains that there was a fair variation in bodytype, with your pointmen being total hulks and everyone else being a across the spectrum of lean-to-shithouse. But then, that was years ago and roid cultures become bigger, so maybe that's different now.

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Most spec ops types tend to be pretty average looking.

It's hard to maintain a lot of muscle when you're burning tons of calories every day. Form what I hear they tend to do roid cycles when not deployed, and then go off them when deployed. Because they can't get their juice, and it's hard to get the nutrients to maintain on rations.

That said, strength is very useful to have. Not in firefights, but in carrying things, climbing, moving injured people, etc.

>>33859628
Still need more muscle mass than the average 3rd world milita to be effective but yes retarded levels of strength training hit diminishing returns endurance is always needed

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This was a SEAL prior to selection and after training.

The man in the OP clearly works extra for that body. You don't look like that by accident.

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>>33859360
If it lets you load and fire a 25 pounder gun faster than a five man crew and lets you kill dozens of adoos as you do it then sure anon.

pic related

>>33859360
Yes

Anyone who uses >>33859458 as an argument is delusional. The bullet that killed the ripped dude would kill the skelly just the same, but the skelly is sagging his equipment and struggling to carry his rifle, and the other guy just isnt struggling to move or carry anything at all. One of them will get to cover and move much faster, while the other hopes he will be overpenetrated.

You choose which one you want to be.

>>33859360
That's not SAS.

Our ID disks are just that, disks. That's rectangular.

>>33859716
That's a necklace. ID disks aren't brown wood.

>>33859699
>The man in the OP clearly works extra for that body. You don't look like that by accident.
It's pretty well known that modern special forces guys are almost all on roids.

>>33859722
No, it's a rectangular ID tag that's dusty.

He's most likely an Aussie, or Canadian. Look at his helmet, camo and tribal tats

>>33859766
Camo looks like MTP but all that shit starts to look alike nowadays, I guess thats the point for SOF.

>>33859360
Muscular hypertrophy does not help with normal combat tasks, but having a certain level of strength is good, having a certain level of endurance is good.
The point is, all SOF guys are total studs who have the mental fortitude to excel athletically at lots of different things. Some of them like to get jacked, some like to run marathons. They all maintain a baseline level of fitness necessary to do their missions.
For your average wannabe, going to gym and trying to get 18" pythons isn't going to help them with their operator fantasies.

>>33859775
Nah, that's not MTP. Some offbrand of Multicam (same shit I know) but MTP is a very distinct pattern.

>>33859798
Well said and that covers western high end forces. Similar idea for the light fighters (tali vc etc) but less need for as much strength in the baseline as they rarely carry half the weight western troops do

Muscle mass helps moving gear, injured homies, breaking through obstacles, being scary to the enemy and looking like serious business to the indigenous that you're training. Also helps you bang slurs but that doesn't matter because as soon as you tell them you're sf they take off their panties anyway. So no, not in firefights but most SF work isn't firefights. That's why they're special.

>>33859709
>The bullet that killed the ripped dude would kill the skelly just the same
not really have you ever seen wound channels? especially ak fmj. it takes a while for the projectile to really rip you up. if you are big you get a bigger wound.

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>>33859869
Yeah, everyone knows that biceps are quads are vital organs!

Idiot.

You get nice and ripped so your body has more to cannibalize when you're out in the field with no supplies

>>33859360
Are there a lot of hunks like this in the armed forces? Asking for a friend

>>33859853
>Muscle mass helps
True, but body building style training induces sarcoplasmic hypertrophy, which doesn't really do anything for you but make your muscles bigger. Actual heavy weight training induces myfibrillar hypertrophy, which increase the muscle size and strength.

>>33859701

That story is honestly one of the best combat stories of all time.

Back when the SAS did cool shit without tacticool everything.

>>33859775

Isn't MTP, it's multicam; cut of the shorts is wrong for anything issued in MTP. Not that this really helps; SAS and SBS and SFSG regularly wear multicam.

Hell, thinking about it, SFSG is full of 1PARA tryhards so if he is a brit, he's more than likely an SFSG Para with a tiny penis and inadequacy issues.

>t. airborne gunner who has never met anyone from SFSG who isn't a knob.

From what I've seen there's a lot of variation in body type (in the nzsas at least, don't know about Brit sas). But fuck can they all run.

>>33859360

More to the point it's important for being able hike your shit in and hike your shit out.

I had a cousin in the SBS and he was a big guy. Probably not as jacked as the guy in the pic, but much more built than average.

He ended up leaving because he fucked his knees up, which is common from what I understand.

>>33860212

>fucked up knees is common in SF

It's common across every foot mobile soldier ever.

>>33859360
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vT9IamQhSeI&t=740s
This should help answer that.

>>33859921
Obviously yes, there are a lot of dreamboats like that in the military.

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>>33859453
Not if you have the cardio to match.

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good evening /k/

>>33860229
you can fuck up your knees if you run with extra weight easily. and from what i know all military training is mostly about running with extra weight with little sleep no proper regeneration periods dehydration going full retard on the joints.

>>33859360
knowing the difference between cover and concealment and getting there the fastest.

>>33860321
Sprinters tire extremely quickly. See how fast they can run a couple miles, vs a long-distance runner.

>>33860321
not really possible, to have larger than average muscle mass and better than average endurance.
it's always a trade-off between strength and endurance as far as the muscle types mass is concerned.
while it might seem some people have better than average strength and endurance is because today's average is the couch potato. and also neural adaptation plays a role when your nervous system adapts to the tasks you practice and uses the muscle fibers more suited to a certain task and lets other rest. basically you get better with practice.

>>33859360

Muscle to help carry gear.
Endurance so your ass can run to cover.

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pretty sure tons of endurance and a lean muscled build like a lower weight division boxer is the ideal rather than /fit/fag-mode

old school Delta guys look like they sell fax machines for a living

>>33859360
I would assume that being able to move stuff easily would be useful in most circumstances.

>>33859360
endurance matters
strength is secondary

>>33859538
friendo of mines sister married a BUDs grad. He is like Jeremy Renner hobbit size who wouldn't stand out in a crowd - 5'7" or so, baby face too.

Washed out on a medical during training, but with a reconstructed knee and shoulder, will crush me on a 10k.

Mind over fucking matter. He's now a trauma doc at an Atlanta ED.

>>33860350
my niiiiiiiiiiiiiiigga

Europe?

>>33860459
forgot to add, he is pretty consistent in a 52 minute 10k, my personal best is 59:40, usually more in 64 minute range.

He's a goddamn machine, I'd pace for the first 6k, then start flagging, he simply stays steady and on video, he's doing the same pace across the line as he started. This with enough titanium in him to refurbish an SR-71.

>>33860469
yup lad, at the moment i am in biggest quick reaction forces exercise this year. we are training for hybrid warfare how to control/contain and destroy all kinds of fuckers here

>>33860513
Good speed you glorious bastard.

>>33860566
*God
Fuck autocorrect.

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>>33860566
i am in the .50 at the moment but that is my second wife

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>>33860585
i was obsessed with this gun when i was a kid.
even made a spraypaint stencil for it

>>33860355

Not even running.

Fucked my knees tabbing up and down the Brecon Beacons. Wasn't going especially fast, but was carrying heavy weights.

I now have no ACL and no cartilage in my left knee.

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>>33860749
time stamp something

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>>33860733
it's very nice and smooth accuracy wise not too much recoil i just dislike its plastic parts but g36ka4 is all around reliable assault rilfe

>>33859360
I think they more help you with everything leading up to the firefight. Like swimming or climbing into advantageous positions.

Also, evacuating wounded. Hollywood hero moments where one soldier carries a wounded guy out of the fight. I'm sure they do happen IRL occasionally.

Overall, I think a gymnast type body would be the best for combat. Sneak/climb/swim/whatever into good positions for sniping, quick at running between cover, and really good endurance.

>>33860792

You want me to prove I have no cartilage and ACL?

I have my MRI images somehwere, but I'm at my girlfriend's so I don't have any of my kit or uniform if that's what you're asking for.

>>33860837
no, that you were SAS, you fucking pom bastard!

>>33860792
He never claimed to be anything special, every branch of the forces train on the brecons including the navy.

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>>33860794
is it really this fun!?!?!!?1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bn3GvvkA6U

>>33860851
implying the navy is nothing special?

>>33860585
>>33860794
Australia poster

>>33860877
it indeed is my man, few weeks ago my platoon were doing live fire exercise doublets triplets to 100 150 metres it's real fun my man you should have seen how accurate these things can been, unfortunatelly i have no filmed footage because my CO grated my ass for tryin to film it for some reason.

>>33860849

Lol no I'm not SAS.

I'm an Infantryman. Section Commanders Battle Course is held in Brecon, as is fuck tons of other training, there's a whole training area on them. SAS don't have exclusive claim to using the Beacons.

>>33861168
noope europe

>>33861101
I was in the navy for 8 years and I do not consider myself special, I did 2 days on the brecons in phase 1, 2 days in phase 2 then on and off for various leadership courses. Anyone in the Infantry spends more time on the hills than anyone in the navy does in a lifetime barring medics attached to the boot necks.

>>33861188
>Anyone in the Infantry spends more time on the hills in one year

>>33860321
roided up meatheads are the opposite of endurance.

look up pictures of distance runners. they're not bulky.

>>33861101

I've had navy bods on several courses I've attended/run.

Anything that could vaguely be described as a 'green skill' and they are the mongiest mongs who ever monged in mongland.

Fucking 12 year old Cadets could admin themselves better in the field.

I'm sure they are very good when at sea. But on land worse than useless. Positively dangerous on ranges.

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>>33861172
rock on dood

>>33860394
>What are boxers and MMA fighters?

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>>33861175
well i hope they paid your ass out good.
you poor limey cunt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QH5LcmfyLI

>>33861227
>can't have both
you aren't even trying

all things considered, stronger people are harder to kill. besides, getting to the fight is frequently harder than the fight. go lift something heavy.

>>33860394
Thanks for weighing in with your expert opinion you really convinced me.

I'm sure guys who run and lift all the time while consuming enormous quantities of calories aren't getting fast or strong

>>33859360
Every Ranger and SF guy I've ever met has been a pretty solid dude. Some guys don't put on mass like OP simply because of genetics. But lots are on HGH and roids too.I've never met a SEAL, but if you ever see Army SF dudes, most are pretty fuckin stacked. If not, then they are that wiry type of strong. None are skeletors.

>>33861290

No payout unless the injury forces me to retire or I'm unable to carry out my role. I'm now ERE, so my job role is no longer a Section Commander, so they have me for a few years 'till I rotate back to Bn and they realise I'm useless.

Hey ho, crippling arthritis before I'm 35 is the name of the game.

>>33859360
I enjoyed a youtube series called 'Let's Drown Out', hosted by Benjamin Croshaw and Gabriel Forgethislastname. In one episode, Gabriel - The healthier of the two - Was asked how often exercising helped him out. Paraphrasing his response:

"'Exercise' isn't a skill that you use to accomplish a goal. Being in shape helps make everything easier, though."

>>33861439
>before I'm 35
Stop making me feel old.

Back when I was a dispatcher our department had 3 former SOF guys. One was a Vietnam era Green Beret (dude was old as fuck), the other was a Green Beret in the 90s, and the other was Force Recon in the early 2000s. They were all fairly short (5'5" to 5'9") and they were built like college wrestlers. Whenever I see modern SOF pics the guys always look roided out, what's the deal with that?

>>33861487
>Whenever I see modern SOF pics the guys always look roided out, what's the deal with that?
Steroid use has boomed and SOF are often overlooked when it comes to drug tests, not to mention lifting is more popular than it has ever been.

>>33861473

I'm a 24 year old Cpl with six years service and two tours, a broken knee, probable liver damage, way too much kit and zero real-world transferable skills. I now teach teenagers how to kill people.

I'll have my first Recruit born in the year 2000 this year.

I feel old as fuck.

>>33861540
Would you recommend it for 4 years? Also what country?

>>33861612
Join the navy or airforce and learn a trade.

>>33861634

Or the Royal Engineers, REME, Army Air Corps... Fuck I'll have a Level 4 in teaching by the end of the year as an infanteer. Milk it for what you can.

>>33861612

For all my moaning, wouldn't do anything else. They'll have to drag me out.

>>33861439
arthritis is fuck. have it in shoulder, hip, toe, elbow, both hands, l4-l3 spine. combination of genetics, trauma and "hold my beer" in my youth - snowboarding, mogul skiing, skateboarding, moto, BJJ, and everything pictured in Jackass.

I sometimes need a cane to walk.

>>33859538
I worked with british SAS in Iraq, they were quite unassuming

>>33861720
>Milk it for what you can.
The best advice anyone can ever give regarding the military, I saved my money and lived like a monk but had a degree and a house paid for after 8 years service. Now I get pissed every night and crew a yacht run by rich people while I eat expensive food and wine, £900 a day to babysit a bunch of roleplayers while they give themselves high ranks as we sail round the isle of wight.

>>33860426
>old school Delta guys look like they sell fax machines for a living
That's is and was the point.

>>33860321
Cardio - Usain Bolt has never run 1 mile for distance in his life. Don't believe me look it up.

Also he ate 1000 McNuggets at the Bejing olympics in 2008

>>33861540
>I'll have my first Recruit born in the year 2000 this year.

Fuck that makes me feel old and I'm 22

>>33863028
Lol you aren't old until you have notice grey bush you plebs

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>>33860385
>>33860394
>>33861227
>>33862492

What about Dean Karnazes?

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>>33859360
When youre carrying over a 100 pounds in gear for a 12+ fire fight it helps to be built. A sniper doesnt need as much muscle mass as a door kicker, you really just need to be fit for purpose.

>>33859453
That's not necessarily true. Endurance isn't simply one "thing", but rather a multitude of abilities, such as weight bearing, distance running, hiking, swimming distance, etc.

The average Olympic distance runner probably isn't gonna to be able to bear 100 lb pack.

>>33859360
No, but it looks cool.

>>33863964

This is literally the goal operator body. Too big too many calories and will tire quicker.

Too small too little energy deposits and can't carry stuff for shit

>>33864100

I think he would and ill tell you why.

In the Marines we had guys come from all walks of life. Fat ass potato couches like me who joined, former high school atheltes, and everything in between.

After a month of marching and simple running excercises, in the second month of Bootcamp when we went to Camp Pendleton and did the long hikes, everyone pretty much passed, from 5'2 skellies, recovering 5'10 fatties like me, and 6'4 muscle bound dudes.

Our gear in total was also around 100lbs. I have no doubt an Olympic athlete would be able to.

>>33860173
>Airborne Gunner.

You mean RAF Reg, right?

>>33865032

I think he meant 7RHA.

If he was RAF Reg he'd have posted a selfie and talked about the 'five miles of death'.

Literally all infantry should be taking 2mL of Test E a week, every week, for their entire service.

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MARSOC all seem like bros who like to lift and are in a motorcycle/prison gang

>>33865262
I ride with a guy who was with MARSOC. 5'10", looks about 150lbs. In great shape and every time I pull out cigarettes he gets fucking wide eyed.

Cool dude, rides a BMWS1000RR

>>33859538
From what I've seen, it's like 1/3 manlets, 1/3 Hulks, 1/3 normal looking fit guys. (Note that they all have stacked legs though no matter what)

>>33859360
Honestly no, being in shape helps, for sure. Lugging equipment, moving fast, not getting tired, having strength if it gets hand to hand, etc.

Roid culture has, unfortunately, infected SOF communities, as well as SWAT teams. Basically, someone, somewhere got the idea that if you weren't SUPER JACKED MAN you couldn't operate, which is blatantly untrue, as MOST operators are fairly unassuming. If you look at most candid pictures of Delta/Devgru deployed, they're actually usually fairly heavier. Obviously built, and obviously strong, but I've met with/trained with several SEALs and SF (Non-Delta/DEVGRU obviously) who actually had quite the beer belly. (For reference I work in EMS, and have extensive tactical training and trauma training, because my state is fucking retarded).

I mean, I suppose for the super-duper operators, who are kicking doors and engaging in very short-term firefights, big muscles might help for the intimidation factor, as well as just beating someone down, but for the long-term shit, I would suggest that a focus on cardio and endurance would beat pure strength.

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>>33865308
>If you look at most candid pictures of Delta/Devgru deployed, they're actually usually fairly heavier
Delta confirmed dad bods.

>>33865322
Well, keep in mind that most Delta/DEVGRU guys are 30+, and most had civilian jobs before joining up. Not all, of course. Then factor in that their jobs require functional strength and endurance. A hulking 6'4 guy, roided up and likely to pop at any minute is -great- in infantry, because hell that's what they all seem to want (I say in jest, infantry people, just so many of you are fucking retarded), but toss him into a crowd of really fucking superstitious tribal leaders or tell him to perform a complex task and he'll have a roid rage incident and kill his family.

Unfortunately, a lot of the SWAT guys I work with that fell into the roid culture were removed from the teams due to it. There's a LOT of risk to unit integrity in having someone doped up on roids on. I know that roid use is still heavy in the SOF community which is really unfortunate.

>>33865342
I was just kidding around, anon. I hear what you're saying though, there's other factors ects.
>Unfortunately, a lot of the SWAT guys I work with that fell into the roid culture were removed from the teams due to it.
It seemed like a few of the cops I saw at the exam for this large city police department were on some gear. They were big as fuck, but idk in a city where I applied to it might be beneficial to not only be strong but look the part.

>>33862492
>ate 1000 McNuggets

I wonder what his dipping sauce of choice was...

>>33859360
I knew guys in (Aus) navy Clearance Divers who modeled for FUSE magazine and were straight. They spent their whole time in the gym for looks, not operating.

Most guys I worked with in SASR where normal build and skinny after a deployment.

>>33859360
There's no reason not to be as /fit/ as possible

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This guy is SAS and also 202cm tall.

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>>33860585
>lietuviai postina /k/

>>33861278
they are your baseline in a way. once you try to get more mass on a boxer he loses endurance immediately. it's the nature of the beast. i used to be able to box without stopping with switched partners for 20 minutes. that is how they prepared us for competitions. there were a few buff guys who lifter they couldn't do 2 minutes of that crap.

>>33861349
no they aren't getting endurant and fast+strong. if you increase strength you decrease endurance and vica versa. simple biology. your body will adapt to the type of movements you do. hypertrophy is basically a bad compromise, when you are neither strong neither endurant but stronger than endurance athletes and more endurant than power lifters but this is achieved with a much bigger muscle mass (with thicker fibers too) than either would require on it's own. once you try to increase one aspect tho you get fucked. that's what i'm talking about. the ratio of fast twitch / slow twitch muscles and total muscle mass is what determines endurance, more slow twitch + less total mass = more endurance. more fast twitch (more total mass) = more power.

>>33859360
>Do muscles help in firefights? Pic is Brit SAS so I assume so.

No but a modicum of discipline to stop yourself turning into a fat fucking useless fatty bo-fatty-fuck helps

unfortunately western forces have given up on this, now you can complain that you identify as a blimp and your feelings get hurt if you have to run 15ft.

>pic related

>>33865537
What's wrong with his head?

Enough strength to carry your equipment and a fellow soldier when necessary, after that, endurance all the way.

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>>33861399

This has been my experience as well as an ex Army guy. Also I saw this article once, could be bullshit but definitely seems to approximate the mindset of those guys in my limited experience with them.

http://havokjournal.com/fitness/military-and-special-operations-fitness/

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>>33859360
Fat helps in falling down mountains.

>>33865920

He's 2.02m tall.

>>33860136
what's the story?

>>33866078
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Mirbat

>>33866113
Thanks

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>>33859360
Mass helps with recoil

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>>33865394
Sometimes, you oper8 with the oper8tors you have, not those you want

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>>33866346

>>33859730
>It's pretty widely believed

>>33865920
He's british

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>>33859699

>The man in the OP clearly works extra for that body. You don't look like that by accident.

If by works extra you mean is constantly doing cycles than yea sure lol. You don't get (or stay) that big naturally, no matter how clean your diet.

Some of the most effective special forces in the world have bulked up operators but this is due to the nature of their job (picking up wounded teammates who are 100 kilos and etc) but some Special Forces don't feature guys like The Rock in their ranks for example Marines Force Recon are quite often skinny guys with alot if endurance so you don't really need to be super muscly but it's preferable in many situations.

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>>33866612

>bulked up operators but this is due to the nature of their job (picking up wounded teammates who are 100 kilos and etc)

No. You get mass by consistently lifting heavy weights in a gym, not by carrying wounded battle buddies out of the shit.

> some Special Forces don't feature guys like The Rock in their ranks for example Marines Force Recon
>Special Forces for example Marines Force Recon

Please don't post on /k/ anymore.

>>33861168
nope, just iphones being retarded

>>33866255
how. the fuck. is this lardass in any fighting force?

how does he pass any basic fitness tests!?

>>33865262
>Dog's face is blacked out
Yeah I was totally going to run that shit through FRS

>>33865373
Szechuan Sauce

>>33859730
>>33866450
it's not because of the muscle building steroids help immensely with inflammation and regeneration caused by rigorous training. unless you won the genetic super-lottery of one in a million you gonna need it if you want to go though elite physical training.

>>33867017
It depends on the unit and the individual. I share an armory with NG SF. Some of them are full on dad bod some are decently muscled.
When I played opfor with 5th group it was the same. Some guys were huge, others looked like nerds, one sniper dude looked like a slightly over weight pee wee football coach.

They all had in common that they could run up the side of a mountain like a magical billy goat.

To get through selection having the body of a through hiker is beneficial. When you're in the suck, lack calories, sleep deprived, and have to ruck for endless miles, being "jacked" is not necessarily a benefit.

Obviously you want to have a strong core, legs, and upper body though.
Hence a no thrills way to get that body is running/rucking and calisthenics. You can definitely throw some weight lifting in too though.

Once you're on a team you need to be able to exceed the standards and do your job. Being able to do that and deadlift 500lbs isn't a necessity, but it aint hurting either.

>>33868038
so you are saying special forces is way less demanding than national athletes training? because they can't do it without roids.

>>33868129
I didn't really mean to direct that at what you said. HGH and test etc. can have benefits for recovery. Not everyone on SOF is on them though. A lot are I'm sure. No, I don't think they're necessary, but I'm not opposed to people using them.
I just think that some have a misconception that all SOF guys are 250 lbs and 6'4. A lot of them you couldn't pick out in a crowd and appear fairly average..... otter mode body type.

>>33868129
That comparison doesn't really work though. Athletes compete against other athletes in a field where physical ability and power is a huge differentiator.

SF have guns, they don't need mad kung-fu skills or to be huge beyond whatever they need to do, like running up and down mountains hauling all their gear with them.

>>33866533
He is an Aussie.

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>>33865308
>kicking doors and engaging in very short-term firefights
>SWAT

That's the point. Tackling, restraining, short range foot chases require explosivity that skinny guys won't have.

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>>33866581
>DYEL body
>you don't get that big naturally

>>33859360
Never understood the roid culture in SOF units. Now, if people are talking about roids as general performance enhancing drugs that's different, but if you're talking about anabolic steroids, such drugs are pretty fucking useless on the battlefield.

Now, i'm not entirely sure if JSOC and SOCOM or whoever truly manages these units are sponsoring this doping, but I wouldn't doubt it. But it's pretty fucking stupid putting SOF on roids. It'll help in carrying stupendous amounts of equipment and kicking down doors - general raid shit, but remember that anabolic steroids often only help in anaerobic efforts of intense strength. These operators are already strong enough to lug hundreds of pounds of equipment without anabolic steroids, all they need is endurance.

Special Forces, particularly those on any sort of reconnaissance oriented role need endurance and recovery, not freak retard strength. Hiking through high altitudes for 50KM a day is something that anabolic steroids won't aid, or at least to the ridiculous ends that they're being used.

Drugs that would actually help SOF operators carry out their jobs are PEDs like EPO, Meldonium and any sort of Lucocorticoid that will help in aerobic endurance and will speed up recovery for the next day by a factor of tenfold.

I know any sort of performance enhancing drug use is pretty ridiculous, but as an ex-professional cyclist I know full well what EPO does to someone when used correctly, the endurance gains are astronomical and can turn fat businessmen (with money) into cycling machines in fucking months. The same is entirely possible with the SOF community.

Should I presenting this shit to DARPA or something? Some sort of magical endurance doping regimen for SOF?

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>>33865234
Ah, that makes more sense.

>Fucking RAF Reg.

fit > normalo > steroid > fat

>>33859360
Better question is WHO THE FUCK CARES?
all strong dudes no doubt.SOME like to lift some like to read comics...
Move on with your life

>>33868162
i never said they are all boulder mode. i just said a lot of them use roids to keep up. many of them sport a nice well formed roid gut when they get older.

>>33868197
it's not about the performance it's about how hard you push. and most certainly not about kung-fu more like running and running obstacles until your body just want's to give up and then some. and that is the point the roids can push them through.

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>>33868639
>and that is the point the roids can push them through
Does it though? My bro science game is weak but I thought steroids helped you muscles heal faster after exercising, not magically restore your stamina.

>>33868672
bit of both, they improve muscle performance and regeneration and decrease inflammation. so basically on the third day or fourth of intense training you will really feel the difference in the morning. only problem is and why military training courses are such a scourges is the joints still get fucked even if you suppress inflamation.

>>33859360
otter mode, best mode
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_jPS5FkOug

>>33865237
Probably every man should; the only real flaw of it is that it will make you go bald faster if you were already predestined to go bald. They might as well call it a supplement at that dosage, it only provides benefits, albeit mild ones, at no drawbacks. I have no doubt when all the stigma around hormones drops, men will be taking low levels of test weekly their entire lives.

>Hurr do muscles help in firefights

Nah, thats why every fighting force in the world recruits overweight flabby neckbeards who browse /k/ and why theres absolutely no emphasis on PT.

>>33865278
>I ride with a guy
Does he fuck you or do you fuck him in the ass?

>>33859538
While I was still active duty there were a lot of asians in Force Recon for some reason. Cool dudes though.

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>>33862348
Relevant Punisher page

>>33859360
no.

you want to be as out of shape as possible

skinnyfat navy seal here to confirm that muscles are for toxic masculine drumpf voters

>>33865298
Know a former SASR officer, went to university together and still keep in touch regularly.
He's on the larger side, about 6'3, 100kg, very strong and pretty fit for a fella in in early 40s, but you wouldn't really notice him otherwise. Got some fucking wicked scars on him though and he's about as unstoppable, completely fearless mad bastard as you can imagine

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>>33866255

>>33859699

allidoisbenchandcurls.jpg

>>33871196
I like Ennis's Punisher run, not just Max but the Marvel Knight one too, but he has a tendency to get up how own ass sometimes. This is one of those times.

Unless you're built like fucking Terry Crews- and not many operators are that built- it's pretty easy to conceal just how jacked you are. Not to mention that mention that given today's current misson set it's not really necessary.

On the other hand being strong and atheletic pays off a lot when it comes to fighting. It's not all about having enough endurance to do an 8km offset through the mountains.

>>33861399
This is true.

Almost all Rangers go big once they pass Ranger School. Seriously once you no longer have to worry about taking a PT test it's all about getting big in the gym. Right up till you hit squad leader then work becomes a fucking gains goblin.

That tabspec4 to team leader time though is prime time for body building.