Bullpup bread: Aug vs ps90 edition

>>33858682
>I buy guns to have fun at the range,
Then you shouldn't buy an AUG.

>>33858692
Right? This is kind of what I was thinking, the muzzle blast was pretty fucking close to my face and the tulip flash hider doesn't help.

What's your reasoning though?

>>33858754
The ergonomics are shit, the trigger pull is shit, the aftermarket is a joke, it's easily the shittiest of the service bullpups available to us civvies.

>>33858771
So, is this an argument for the ps90? Because the ps90 has an even worse aftermarket. Trigger is better though I'll give you that, but I have alot of milsurp and bad triggers aren't a huge issue for me. The tavor is pretty bad, is it the shitty bullpup?
You make good points about the ergos, the weight was sort of odd for a weapon that size too.

Not concerned with ammo price, seems like the 5.7 is about 30 cents a round for the vmax stuff and 25-27 for fed/American eagle
Also 303 Brit, 8mm and other shit is pretty expensive.

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>>33858771
I disagree with pretty much all of this
source: I own an AUG

>>33858828
I just love the bullpup aesthetic,
Other than the tavor and f2000

What do you use your Aug for senpai? What are the pros and cons. I owned one but I sold it after just a handful of uses because I wanted a motorcycle and tried to switch hobbies
Couldn't
Love guns too much so I'm considering buying another.

But I like the ps90 too and I've shot it a bunch of times.

>>33858881
I use it for practical shooting, I've taken it to carbine courses and performed on par with AR users. It's also just fun, and looks cool, which I imagine is more important to you. After having it for as long as I have, and getting as familiar with it as I am, I struggle to think of complaints I have about it. It is well balanced, not rear heavy like the Tavor, and soft shooting, as you would expect. It has malfunctioned twice, in multiple thousands of rounds, with minimal cleaning and lubrication.

It is a robust, reliable design that has never let me down, however much that means for a range toy.

>>33858961
How does it handle cheap steel case shitammo?

Only used brass but now I have 5k rounds of wolf 5.56

I do like it to look cool, I'll admit it, and I don't think that's a fault, I'm a huge fan of
> Aesthetics
I've never done more than an accuracy competition, but I've seen fellas use the AUG in 3 gun and I hear people complain about the mag changes but it doesn't really seem like an issue unless you're really that opposed to anything that isn't an AR or AK or (xxxx)

I do have to say though, the trigger is pretty mushy. Like, a long travel and short reset. Do you have any experience with the ratworx aftermarket trigger thing or the trigger tamer?

>>33858999
On mine I just turn the gas on high flow.

Don't run brass after steel. Laqcuer sticks to brass like glue, had it rip the rim off of a round.

Trigger is crap. Get a trigger tamer.

>>33858828
Yuge aftermarket for that thing, eh?

>>33859021
what do you want to change

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>>33858999
I prefer to shoot wolf gold, but have shot tula without incident. That said, others have struggled to run steel in theirs.

Mag changes are a training issue, like most complaints people have about bullpups. The stock trigger has served me as well as any. Again it's a training issue. That said, I do plan on getting Geissele's AUG trigger once it's out.

>>33859018
I'll have to do that
>>33859021
Not a big one but you can replace the stock with one that accepts ar mags, a few options to upgrade the trigger, bunch of different rail styles, new changing handles, barrel sizes, needs thread adapter to use new muzzle stuff or can be rethreaded.

Bigger than the aftermarket for the ps90 and more effective than the aftermarket for the tavor
Other than tavor being able to do 9mm, Aug can too but it cost upwards of 2500$ because
> Thanks Obama

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>>33858771
So you've never actually shot or owned one then? Trigger is not bad at all, ergos are actually amazing. Everyone I've ever let shoot/hold her is amazed at the balance and how natural it is to point her. Downside is you'll have to retrain yourself on reloads if you're used to button release, but that just means more time with your gun. Aftermarket is admittedly a problem, but the things that needed aftermarket most have it and are used (charging handle, rails, etc).

>>33858682
Personally OP I'd tell you this, if you didn't like the NATO you probably won't necessarily like the standard, but if it was the optic bothering you a flat top might appeal to you more.

>>33858682
Nice blog post

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I'll admit it's a little blog-post-y but I was really trying to aim the conversation so that the thread didn't just descend into shitposts by noguns or people who don't have bullpups in thier collection who weren't contributing anything to the threat like you so poignantly pointed out in your constructive criticism

>>33859083
I feel this, I want to give the Aug another try, this time with a trijicon or high-end aimpoint, and maybe a longer barrel. I don't like the fact I can't put a comp on it though, without it looking totally bonkers.

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>>33859286
>without it looking totally bonkers
I put an SFMB-556 on mine for a while

>>33859286
Oh and you'll probably want to hit up Pete for a 20" barrel. Seems to be more your speed.

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>>33859286
Well fuck I fucked that up

Shameless self bump

Anybody have any ps90 opinions?

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>>33859325
That doesn't look bad, some of the thread adapters are really chunky looking.
>>33859336
I know, I feel awful but I drunk bid and won a short rail fde 16inch on GunBroker for 1330 with shipping, to cerakote it green and get the long rail from Pete I'd total about 1555 and pete said he'd charge me 1600 for the green with the 20 inch barrel and long rails.
Might just buy the one I didn't like as much to hide my autism. Didn't mean to win that bid lol

But Everytime I look at and hold a ps90 it seems so comfy, I guess I could get one in the Future.

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>>33858828
Those waffle mags tho!

>>33859346
Wish I had one, but they are costly and dont come with a reasonable barrel size in my state.

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>>33859083
>Trigger is not bad at all, ergos are actually amazing.
lol?

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>>33859021
Huge aftermarket means nothing, just that it's common enough to have one. I have zero complaints about mine. And like
>>33859053
Said, all the complaints people have about it are training issues, not design. Anyone that prescribes to the shitty ergo meme has never held one

>>33859325
How do you like that style sling? Been looking into it, where did you get it?

>>33859814
some of the best polymer mags ever designed
>>33860176
I love it, the manufacturer had urban in the name, i don't remember
>>33860085
kys goteboi

>>33860161

>REEE SAFETY OFF REE

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>>33859053
First I've heard of this, any more info about it?

>>33860161
FLAT ON THE RIGHT READY TO FIGHT
>>33860304

>>33860314
company called corvus defensio is singlehandedly doubling the options for the AUG, look into them

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>>33860330
That's awesome, hopefully they're <$500

>>33860398
I'm estimating they'll be in the $300 range

>>33860304
>>33860315
Empty may, bolt open and chamber checked. I'm fine boys

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If you don't like the AUG, it's okay. You most likely suffer from chronic shit taste. See an ENT for an official diagnosis.

That being said, AUGs really are fantastic rifles with a couple of small issues. The largest is the weight of that huge chunk of metal known as the receiver.

Complaints about ergonomics and reloads are always from people who have never shot them. Always.

Oh, and the NATO stock is a waste. AUG mags are cheap. Like $22 a piece cheap. They're also super high quality.

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>stock AUGs look sexy but are flawed gen 1 bullpups
>Everything else is so ugly, except for pic related
I focus on the pain, the only thing that's real

It's tough comparing the pros and cons of these two guns. I bought a ps90 awhile back and it definitely wasn't my favorite purchase. I like the 5.7 and all, but I wouldn't replace a .223 with it. Personally I like how the tavor is back heavy and I don't care much for fancy aftermarket. I wish I could've gotten ahold of an mp5 clone or something.

>>33861220
Funny you should mention that...
I was considering getting the MP5 clone along with these guns but the price is just too high to justify it

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>>33860682
>adjustable 16-18" length of pull
>pencil barrel with a grenade launcher hanger
>the whole thing looks like the designer copied the G36's homework and then threw it down the ugly tree to make it less obvious

>>33861252
I'm hoping to be making decent money next year, I'll drop a lot on an mp5 clone. I've considered trading the ps90 or selling on multiple occasions

>>33860682
It's like somebody decided to make a less aesthetic and ergonomic FAMA clone

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Buy my RDB

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Not waiting for the unfucked aussie-bants edition AUG...

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/01/18/lithgow-atrax-f90-update-shot-2017/amp/

Literally took all the shit that sucks about the aug and fixed it.

>>33859018
like never ever?
How much steel we talking bout before brass is a non option

>>33863302
Don't run brass immediately after steel for similar reasons as not running .357 Mag immediately after .38 Spl

>>33863268
>Literally took all the shit that sucks about the aug
I'm drawing a blank

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>>33863354
No case deflector, for one thing.

>>33863354
probably the same endless bitching about how its not truly ambidextrous.
There probably arent even 5k lefties in the world that would buy an AUG if the charging handle was on the left side too

>>33863354

>sight rail is attached to barrel, so shit will stay fucking zero'd
>ass weight cut down
>balance point at firing hand
>barrel threads in normal goddamn pitch. 1/2x28, with a shoulder to index on.
>trigger linkage geometry changed, along with fcg.
>Trigger is no longer like pulling a sandbag across asphalt.
>redirected gas pistons in the works for suppressed use. Like ratworx, but not completely buttfucking ugly.

>>33863424
buy one from corvus defensio
done

>>33863449
Thanks Lithgow marketing team I'll be sure to buy your abortion made in the worst country in the commonwealth

>>33863490

G'day ya poofty cunt

>>33863472
>"I'm drawing a blank"
>names an obvious AUG defect
>"Oh, just buy an aftermarket thing to fix it."
There's a difference between having problems that can be easily solved and not having problems at all.
Steyr isn't paying you to pretend that their 1960s design is perfect.

>>33863534
Literally a 10 cent piece of plastic
It would be nice if the would include that or make a better charging handle, but since they didnt, ill do it myself instead of bitch about minor issues that even the best guns have

>>33863449
Any idea what it'll cost?

are aug fanboys the most delusional retards on the face of the earth? Shits not worth the price tag for that crappy trigger and no lefty support
>inb4 there is a lefty version available
you cant move the bolt release m8

>>33864101
Try not having the devils hands

>>33858682
I hear NZ is phasing out their AUGs are they the type of country to sell them as surplus to the United states?

>>33864120
Yeah I'm sure the ATF will love the idea of selling machine guns to civilians

>>33863205
8 orb900$ without your bad and because of that barrel extension.

>>33864101
There is no reason why you can't shoot an Aug left handed, unless you hate the taste of freedom.

In that case you are a pinko commie, and should be shot.

>>33864101
>>33864120
>>33863534
So what's the best bullpup?

>>33864285
They're all a bit shit, but the RDB is probably the least awful one that actually exists in a form that you can go out and buy.

>>33864101
These are the legendary pathetic complaints about the AUG
The trigger is fine
You can pull the bolt with your left hand while still holding the foregrip in your right
I will agree that it costs too much, but its built to last and all bullpups are marked up

>>33864101
No that title goes to AR fanbois.

>>33864526
The M16 FOW is actually good, though.

>>33863490
Nice try leaf but we all know the worst country in the commonwealth is Canada.

>>33858754
>the muzzle blast was pretty fucking close to my face

What's a linear comp senpai?

>>33858682

You've already tried the AUG. You're right, a slight change and you /might/ like it better. But why pass up a new experience? Get the PS90, it is fun as fuck to shoot.

And fuck you. The DT mdr MUST happen. Pretty much the only reason I don't own a bullpup is because I want one in 7.62.

>>33864285
Tavor imo.

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>>33864638
>MDR MUST happen
>Tavor is best bullpup
You're clearly delusional
Heres a sweet 7.62 bullpup that DOES exist
I'm gonna order one as soon as I get my tax refund

>>33864101
trigger's fine
lefty's have that as their chosen rifle

>>33864700
The AK*

>>33864601
Steel pot and a flak vest for me...

>>33858682
for the range, go with the less expensive ammo
so p90

>>33864685

I was about to pull the trigger on one last year. But fucking SHOT show, man.

I'll give them one more year. I swear...

This thread is an shining example of why bullpup generals should never be a thing.

>>33865260
They are a contentious topic. It gets people riled.

>>33865260
>>33865344
Bullshit, this is more informative than a bunch of Instagram queens jacking each other off.