All metal

>>33858283
This.
Also: (Please): Hard Mode: In FuddyFive ACP?

>>33858283
1911

File: 95125.png (2MB, 1800x1271px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 1800x1271px

>>33859790
>>33858283
Sig P227

File: 18111052_10155028366269892_642876305_o.jpg (307KB, 1776x999px) Image search: [Google]

307KB, 1776x999px

>>33858283
>>33858283

>>33858283
You fags need to learn something. Things like...
>striker-fired
and
>all metal

These are not categories of guns. If you are looking for a handgun to buy, all you're doing is limiting yourself to compromises when you don't need to. Metal-framed handguns are needlessly heavy. The point of a handgun is to be able to carry a portable firearm comfortably. Weight is the enemy of comfort and portability.

File: B44AD096-C101-401C-88DC-6D9F761C5772-5401-0000046C0F393A3A.jpg (5KB, 265x190px) Image search: [Google]

5KB, 265x190px

>>33859790
CZ 97b

>>33859834
This has always bothered me too.
>>33859841
Wow anon. Mommy let you have a high end CZ and a Sphynx

>>33858283
Probably either SP-01 or Jericho
CZ 2075 Rami is apparently so good for cc that theyre always sold out and ive never even held one
Sig P228 also seems good, Especially the M11

>>33859809
this

>>33859850
How about you stop acting like all handguns someone might buy are to carry?

>>33859885
My negroid companion.

>Don't even like .45 ACP
>Bought one for pure AESTHETIC

File: 000_1919-1.jpg (119KB, 800x429px) Image search: [Google]

119KB, 800x429px

>>33858283
I've heard good things about the stainless Kahrs.

>>33860064
That's as a CC gun, as for duty, get a 1911 or a CZ.

>>33860004
>CZ 2075 Rami is apparently so good for cc that theyre always sold out and ive never even held one
They're out of production boyo

>>33859850
Ignore him and maybe he'll go away.
>>33860004
They just dont make that many RAMIs
>>33860064
I've been wanting a Kahr

File: FK_BRNO_75_FK_caliber_pistol.jpg (212KB, 650x488px) Image search: [Google]

212KB, 650x488px

BRNO FK 7.5

>>33860097
Nah, they're still in production.

File: Sofia_Marseilles_Crossed_Back_Bikini_Top.webm (2MB, 404x720px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 404x720px

>>33858283
CZ. Particually CZ 2075 RAMI

>>33859850
>Weight is the enemy of comfort and portability.
If you're a wimpy faggot

>>33860102
The stainless framed Kahrs give me major wood, and the fit + finish looks fantastic for the price.

I've heard nothing but awesome things about the concealability and the ergonomics, too.

I just wish they made one in .45.

>>33860130
dafug is that?

is that like an upsized cz-75 chambered in .40 or something?

>>33860185
.30 caliber cz75

>>33860130
>FK meme-o

Even more of a stupid gimmick than the Hudson H9. At least that stupid un-concealable meme gun fires normal, proven ammo with something approaching availability.

The FK makes the five-seven look as everyday as a .357.

>>33860185
whatever you do, don't fucking google it or anything you fucking idiot.

>>33860202
low mass, high velocity, spitzer handgun bullets are going to be a thing, it just a matter of waiting to see which brand of snake oil catches on with people.

File: IanWTF.jpg (15KB, 238x295px) Image search: [Google]

15KB, 238x295px

>>33860130

Hudson H9. You know it to be true.

File: 20170503_144750.jpg (2MB, 2576x1932px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 2576x1932px

I like the Ruger P89DC. It is all metal, very durable, no safety, SA/DA, inexpensive, and very reliable. There are those that say "but...but da weight!". It is a heavy gun, but I am not a fag so I have zero problems carrying it with an Alien Gear IWB holster. I replaced the controls with stainless steel cuz muh aesthetics.

>>33859790
p220 or 227 the rust crap only happened with lack of proper care

File: IMG_0792[1].jpg (3MB, 3264x2448px) Image search: [Google]

3MB, 3264x2448px

anyone else own an 85? yet to come across another

File: EDC 4-28.jpg (97KB, 1136x852px) Image search: [Google]

97KB, 1136x852px

>>33858283
Beretta 92

>"I don't need a CZ-75."
>someone posts a picture of a CZ-75
>immediately start checking listings

EVERY TIME.

File: File_000 (5).jpg (2MB, 4032x3024px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 4032x3024px

>>33861279
muh nigga

>>33862405

What's with the tape?

File: 20151220_182422.jpg (2MB, 3264x1836px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 3264x1836px

>>33862483
My baby

File: 1493946255855.jpg (197KB, 673x900px) Image search: [Google]

197KB, 673x900px

>>33861279
The p89 is just like this broad..the face is nothing special, but the cleavage is top notch!

File: 019W.jpg (2MB, 1920x1272px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 1920x1272px

>>33862296
If anyone wants to buy a CZ for less than 1k and not put any work into it, I'd recommend an 85 Combat to them without question. The trigger and sights that those come with seem quite nice. Personally I'd rather start with a basic gun and make my own choices for those upgrades though.

Regardless, I think 85s look better with the ambi safety. Too much flat space on the right side of the plain 75s.

>>33862407
I was the same until one day instead of listings there was one at the LGS and suddenly I was out almost 700 dollars after taxes and some boxes of ammo

Beretta 92. 40+ years in service, proven reliable, plenty of cheap mags on the market, can swim, best full size edc

Dunno, but I bought a Sig p226 scorpion recently and It's great so far. Shoots and feels really nice

>>33858283
the sig p226 and the cz 75 are tied for best. pick whichever one you like more or can get cheaper

>>33862587
God dammit. Not that other anon but I think I might get a CZ next.

File: DSC_1444BSS.jpg (1MB, 2957x1959px) Image search: [Google]

1MB, 2957x1959px

>>33862631
Do it senpai, they're fantastic.

[spoiler]Fuck I need to take more pics[/spoiler]

If anyone's looking for a PCR, these guys got some in finally. $552 w/ free shipping.
http://www.damascusgunshop.com/CZ-75-D-PCR-Compact-p/91194.htm

Also have SP-01's for $615

>>33862663
Which model is that?

File: hunter10mm.jpg (44KB, 640x415px) Image search: [Google]

44KB, 640x415px

>>33858283
we Robocop nao

File: maxresdefault.jpg (336KB, 2000x1333px) Image search: [Google]

336KB, 2000x1333px

>>33858283

A guy at my local USPSA match let me shoot a stage with his Shadow 2. It's my next purchase for sure.

File: DSC_1464R60.jpg (1MB, 2957x1959px) Image search: [Google]

1MB, 2957x1959px

>>33862663
wait how'd I fuck up the spoiler on that one Im not even inebriated
>>33862688
Just a regular SP-01 in 9mm with some aftermarket stuff stuck on/in it.

>>33859790
Colt Combat Commander, series 70.
Accept no substitutes.
t.Gramps

>>33862724
One of the greatest pistols Ive ever had the honor to wield. Too bad the shallow slide never worked well for me.

>>33862724
those grips are fire but i hate that stylized "2" plastered all over everything

>>33862579
Wow! I love the cleavage and the face.

>>33862568
Very sweet P89. It looks new.

>>33862483
This is become a Ruger P series thread.....

>>33859834
why do people sperg out over this so much? Has no effect on performance and the only people that are really going to see it is someone on the business end anyway.

Although I guess that could be annoying

>Ay man gimme yo wallet
>Sheeeeeiiiiiitttt yo gun all janky b-POW

>>33862879
What exactly are they sperging out over anyway? That they didn't paint the bearing surface?

>>33862296
>Those 10 round limit mags

why even bother owning 9mm at that point?

Duty size there are a ton of good options.
For carry the Sig P239 is heaven-tier, I also think there is merit to the Kahr K9

File: IMG_20160806_135911_132.jpg (1MB, 2592x1944px) Image search: [Google]

1MB, 2592x1944px

Anyone else own any customs?

>>33860130
That's a big gun

File: The Bae.jpg (203KB, 1143x857px) Image search: [Google]

203KB, 1143x857px

Just picked up a 75B. I'm so happy. She's perfect.

File: image.jpg (2MB, 2448x3264px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 2448x3264px

P239

>>33862754

I can get over it for how sweet a gun it was.

>>33862744

My brief experience I only had to deal with it during loading and unloading but it wasn't too bad. But I can see how during a malfuction that could be a PITA.

>>33862901
I use 17 round Mec-Gar magazines in my P89. I think they could fit the p85 as well.

>>33862976

best gun I owned/carried.

>>33862966
>she

File: IMG_0785[1].jpg (2MB, 3264x2448px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 3264x2448px

>>33862587
yep ambi is a must

>>33862976
is it a makarov clone

>>33862976
>*Angry cat noises*

>>33863019
It's a modification to the p225/p6

>>33860142
Is her name Claire? I think that's what I remember reading.

Anyway, if you're the anon posting her in all of the threads recently, then by god continue
You're doing god's work son

File: 20170504_230138.jpg (1MB, 1793x3188px) Image search: [Google]

1MB, 1793x3188px

>>33863018
agreed friend

File: 10254811325_45a01e68a9_b.jpg (572KB, 1024x662px) Image search: [Google]

572KB, 1024x662px

Does anyone here ever carry their SP-01, how is it?

>>33860250
I know they are, that's why as soon as I get a MD driver's license and an HQL in this cuck state, I'm buying a Tokarev.

I'm just laughing at all the retards falling for this fancy new "high velocity handgun round" meme who are dropping thousands on FK Brnos and Five seveN's when the good old Tok gets you 9/10ths the ballistics for <1/4th the price.

File: cz-usa-cz-2075-rami-bd1.png (249KB, 540x395px) Image search: [Google]

249KB, 540x395px

anyone got this?

>>33863090
I can't imagine how shitty iwb a sp01 would be. my 75 is decent but still fuck heavy. shoots a lot better than my rami so worth it..

>>33862936
For you.

File: asdf12.jpg (192KB, 1280x720px) Image search: [Google]

192KB, 1280x720px

>>33863212
>>33863177
forgot my picture, yeah the rami is nice. wouldnt wanta bd, triggesr not as nice. I decock with my thumb and carry one in the chamber uncocked.

>>33863067
>Filename.png

File: COB_4803.jpg (2MB, 3784x2860px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 3784x2860px

I've enjoyed my Rex Zero 1

>>33863212
>>33863228
would having that rail make that much of a difference when carrying in contrast to a B or a BD?

>>33863269
that's the designer of that bikini, not the model's name you fucking plebeian

>>33863293
mac pls go

>>33863304
I'm not sure ive heard that the rails really bitch up holsters but ive never carried anything with a rail.

File: IMAG0040.jpg (3MB, 5376x3024px) Image search: [Google]

3MB, 5376x3024px

>>33863318
Mac's a Jew shill, so he'd be talking up the Jericho.

Pic is my surplus 941F

>>33863293
GOAT metal gun

>>33862895
That the slide rails extend past the dust cover. There's no reason for them to do that.
Some Tangfolio CZs get it right, see >>33859841

>>33863090

i have one of the new surpressor ready SP-01. Way too big to carry. I have a 75 compact PCR D. Still my favorite pistol to this day. Absolutely love that thing.

>>33863407
are the tangfolio or canik cz75 as good as the cz one

>>33863407
That's a Sphinx, brah.

>>33863481
you're a sphinx

>>33863366
how much are surplus jerichos?

>>33858283
If you can spend the dough I'd put the P7 up there as the best all metal carry pistol.

For duty guns I think it's a toss up between the cz75 and hi power, go with which ever tickles your pickle better.

File: IMAG0078_1_zpsctpglzjc.jpg (193KB, 1024x579px) Image search: [Google]

193KB, 1024x579px

10mm best mm.

File: IMAG0242.jpg (2MB, 1520x2688px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 1520x2688px

>>33863499
I paid ~$350 for mine from AIM, but when they come in they sell out in minutes.

>>33863545
Do they ever get any in .40?

File: IMAG0313.jpg (2MB, 2688x1520px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 2688x1520px

>>33863553
Check out CDI Sales on Gunbroker. He gets them fairly often, and occasionally has 40s and 45s.

>>33863527
I really wish the Witness Match 10mm was imported again, looked everywhere for one, I just want to buy a Bren Ten look alike.

File: absolutely groundhog.jpg (39KB, 435x326px) Image search: [Google]

39KB, 435x326px

>>33863566
>nothing but polymer model

File: 941f.jpg (1MB, 1000x1500px) Image search: [Google]

1MB, 1000x1500px

>>33863545
ayyy, F bro

File: Tanfoglio Stock III zbrane pistole 1.jpg (212KB, 830x553px) Image search: [Google]

212KB, 830x553px

>>33863590
But the Stock III is so beautiful...

File: big_thumbnail.jpg (35KB, 513x490px) Image search: [Google]

35KB, 513x490px

>>33863603
We're gonna carry that weight...

>>33863614
I don't care for the trigger guard and full length dust cover, it's a good looking gun regardless though.

I just REALLY want a Bren Ten and the witness match was the closest looking thing to the standard model Bren on the market that you can safely shoot without stressing about where to find replacement parts.

File: 1476139553355.png (168KB, 400x400px) Image search: [Google]

168KB, 400x400px

>>33863009
>doesn't call his guns girls

>he fingers dudes
>he cleans dudes
>he lubes up dudes
>he goes out hunting/shooting with dudes
>he goes out with a dude at his hip
>he strips dudes

what are you fuckin gay

File: maxresdefault.jpg (55KB, 1280x720px) Image search: [Google]

55KB, 1280x720px

>>33858283
Makarov is nice, although I don't know if it's the best.

I do like it for CC though. Suits my usual style of dress.

File: IMG_20170129_165327.jpg (154KB, 1080x1080px) Image search: [Google]

154KB, 1080x1080px

>>33863647

>>33863736
You wear track suits?

File: 20160930_161551.jpg (2MB, 4160x2340px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 4160x2340px

>>33863177
ye

>>33863716

I'm not the same anon but I refer to my guns as the lifeless and sexless objects that they are.

File: 1489055245515.jpg (100KB, 769x789px) Image search: [Google]

100KB, 769x789px

>>33863839
>lifeless and sexless
Just like me

>>33862526
marker rubbed off the mags, tape was just to number them

>>33863861

Me too m8.

>>33863832
so is this rAmi good for cc? ; ccd?

File: cz-usa-cz-2075-rami-500x333.png (147KB, 500x333px) Image search: [Google]

147KB, 500x333px

>>33863885

File: 20170120_214718.jpg (2MB, 2340x4160px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 2340x4160px

>>33863885
Hope you didn't just have a stroke bro.
It's comparable in size to a glock 26, a little heavier with the alloy frame.
BD model comes with night sights which I'm a fan of.
Solid gun in my opinion, recoil is not snappy like other smaller guns.

>>33863908

Not that anon, but I was also interested in knowing so thank you.

File: 20151029_233746.jpg (2MB, 4160x2340px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 4160x2340px

>>33863919
No problem, the sub compact da/sa pistol market is slim pickin', so the rami is a pretty niche gun with not a lot of literature surrounding it.

Doesn't help that CZ makes probably 3 a year

File: boberg-xr9-s.jpg (763KB, 1600x1050px) Image search: [Google]

763KB, 1600x1050px

>>33863908
Well then! you fucking-faggot, what is a smaller better made alternative to the rami?|
[Make sure not to add polymer anything!]
No serious though is there anything out better than the cz-rami 9mm? do you recommended this.

File: IMG_4332.jpg (2MB, 3456x2304px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 3456x2304px

>>33863647

>>33863942

Yes, so I gathered.

I'm planning on buying one for my first CC.

File: maxresdefault.jpg (768KB, 3000x1691px) Image search: [Google]

768KB, 3000x1691px

>>33863967
Boberg was really more of an attempt to try to incorporate a bullpup design in a pistol. Boberg has a nasty habit of actually pulling the case of of the cartridge because of it's feeding mechanism.

If you want a affordable da/sa all metal handgun you can try looking into the SW 3913.
They started making these after the popularity of people modifying full size SW 39's into tiny sub compact guns like the asp.

File: IMG_6017.jpg (2MB, 2994x3155px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 2994x3155px

>>33864002
My nigga

>>33862966
nice anon, did you name her?

File: P7.jpg (146KB, 1054x703px) Image search: [Google]

146KB, 1054x703px

>>33863967
I consider this better
Its at least double if not triple the price tho

>>33863861
Kek

>>33864038
that is fucking too dangerous omg

>>33864056
sick

File: 1493395214403.png (200KB, 500x376px) Image search: [Google]

200KB, 500x376px

>>33864056

>>33862901
I'd rather have it than be a nogun

plus I'm an ausfag 10 rounds is max cap or were you suggesting I should switch to larger calibre?

i did not want to start another thread stupid question: but is .22lr loud for pistol? how much damage to ears?

>>33859834
That missing piece of metal keeps the weight below 1300g, which is the max weight for some competitions.
The Shadow 2 has it and is just slightly over the weight limit.

>>33864140
Everything is loud, especially in a handgun. If you're worried about muzzle blast, look into low pressure/low noise rounds like .38 Spl, .44 Spl or .45 Colt for something with decent ballistics.

File: 20170208_205445.jpg (2MB, 4160x2340px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 4160x2340px

>>33864139
Keep it up aussie bro, keep gun rights alive in Australia!

>>33864140
Its pretty much the quietest pistol round
Like a single firecracker going off, but not even as loud
Not much damage to the ears unless you fire hundreds in a room that amplifies the sound

Stupid question /k/

I love the look of the CZ 97, but I don't want it in fuddy-five, and I don't want to give money to Jews for a knockoff.

>>33862296
I have mine and love it.

Question

Anyone here shot or finger fucked a P09 or P07 suppressor ready?

I'm interested in a full size duty 9mm that is suppressor ready and was considering the P09.

Can anyone describe the trigger?
How is the take up? Is the wall pronounced? How is the creep through the wall?

I'm looking for minimum creep, and crisp clean wall/break.

Is the P09 a good option?

I had my hands on an SP01 suppressor ready the other day and I was disappointed that the trig had no real noticeable wall, quite a bit of creep (at least it was smooth), and consequently not a very clean crisp break.

Thoughts?

I'm thinking about getting a P226. They seem to have the most pronounced walls, crisp breaks, and minimal creep of the DA/SA.

>>33858283
Cz 75

>>33860097
No they aren't

>>33860097

It just feels that way because CZ's 2075 production line is open 6 hours per year.

File: b6aa430f5313cb716e839180b2c197ef[1].jpg (2MB, 3830x2156px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 3830x2156px

Just try to think of a more beautiful 10mm

>>33860097
>They're out of production boyo
No they're not ya dingus

>>33864139
I mean for 10 rounds might as well carry a subcompact or a bigger caliber

>>33864370
Jericho or USP
I know the USP can be done
Hopefully someday on the Jericho

>>33860064
Don't give money to moonies.

>>33860004
I have an M11a1, and it's great.
Super nice little gun.

File: li.jpg (295KB, 1414x1348px) Image search: [Google]

295KB, 1414x1348px

>>33864056

You weren't kidding.

File: EAA Poster-HeatherBot.jpg (1MB, 900x1380px) Image search: [Google]

1MB, 900x1380px

>>33864370
I honestly wish they'd just import them as Tanfoglios instead of rebranding them to EAA.
EAA is just too weird and shitty.

>>33864438
>10mm Jericho
Not unless IWI (coughTanfogliocough) decides to design a large frame Jericho any time ever.
Actually, considering that almost every CZ clone on the market is a Tanfoglio design, I'm surprised none of them are large frame.

>>33864592
EAA makes nothing and their brand detracts from everything they import, due to their lax after market support.

File: 16463814_1479722102040999_8020642279172430976_o.jpg (114KB, 750x1103px) Image search: [Google]

114KB, 750x1103px

>>33863839
>sexless
You're just not trying hard enough, anon

File: P7M13.jpg (57KB, 596x436px) Image search: [Google]

57KB, 596x436px

>>33864574
Kidding is verboten when dealing with german guns
Im surprised its that cheap even in a pic from last year
I want a P7M13 and those are $2500-$3000

>>33864648

>Im surprised its that cheap even in a pic from last year
No, the picture is current, for what it's worth.

File: WitnessPolymerRobo.jpg (1MB, 900x1214px) Image search: [Google]

1MB, 900x1214px

>>33864618
I believe that Tanfoglio actually has majority, or at least a sizable ownership stake in EAA.

Personally, I've only had to deal with their CS to do the firing pin recall on my old AE serial Witness Compact, and didn't suffer any issues from it.
Tanfoglio guns do deserve a much better importer who can market them much better though. With the steel frames starting at $300 and the poly at $260, I firmly believe they are the absolute best value you can get in a gun on the market right now - nevermind that the guns themselves are well above average.

Unbelievable that such well-made guns from Italy are literally selling cheaper than utter shit from Brazil - but then again, I remember when CZ-75s could be had for $400 new too.

>>33864656
Almost all P7M8s on armslist are over $1500
NIB and unfired ones are asking close to $3000

>>33864715

Too rich for me!

>>33864739
Its basically a collectors piece at this point, despite being one of the best CCs ever
And its also got that sweet Die Hard cred

>>33859834
It's for pushing the slide back slightly for disassembly you fucken goon

t. Pre-b owner + long time czechaboo

>>33863481
My bad. Point still stands, it gets it right and the CZ doesn't.

>>33864536
Why?

It seems like they're only shitty to people within their cult. Since I'm not and never will be, I couldn't give a fuck if my gunbux goes to pay for a bunch of gooks working in sweatshops of their own volition.

I know I already support them by eating sushi in the USA (Google True World Foods) and if Kahr's guns are half as good as some of the TWF places I've gotten killer sushi from, then they're worth my money.

Say what you will about the Moonies, bud nobody has ever accused their business ventures of making anything but an incredibly competitive product within their respective industries.

What full metal gun can I get in .357 SIG?

>>33866822
you may be surprised to hear this anon, but sig makes several full metal handguns in .357 sig

>>33866822
Smith and wesson model 27

Would it cost cz that much to use a solid float pin for the trigger rather than that shitty press fit pin?
That's just about my only complaint with them. That and there is absolutely no reason of any kind for all 75 variants to not have the omega trigger.

>>33866920
.357 sig not .357 magnum

>>33866966
;^)

>>33859885
YES

File: 20170404_173630.jpg (931KB, 2048x1152px) Image search: [Google]

931KB, 2048x1152px

Where's the best place to get mags? I don't know if I wanna spent 40$ everytime

>>33867056
Get mecgar mags from atlantic

>>33864322
bump for question

File: s2.jpg (3MB, 3925x2939px) Image search: [Google]

3MB, 3925x2939px

>>33858283
Depends on what you are looking for. If it is a competition pistol in 9mm, the shadow 2 is probably the best in its price range at the moment.

Question

Anyone here shot or finger fucked a P09 or P07 suppressor ready?

I'm interested in a full size duty 9mm that is suppressor ready and was considering the P09.

Can anyone describe the trigger?
How is the take up? Is the wall pronounced? How is the creep through the wall?

I'm looking for minimum creep, and crisp clean wall/break.

Is the P09 a good option?

I had my hands on an SP01 suppressor ready the other day and I was disappointed that the trig had no real noticeable wall, quite a bit of creep (at least it was smooth), and consequently not a very clean crisp break.

Thoughts?

I'm thinking about getting a P226. They seem to have the most pronounced walls, crisp breaks, and minimal creep of the DA/SA.

anyone can recommend me a nice all metal .22lr for cc?

>>33868532
Why CC a .22 when you can CC a .25? or .32? or .380?

>>33868557
>CCing .25; .32; 380
gibs me links!

>>33868532
>.22lr for cc?
Gr8 b8 m8, I r8 8/88
The common pistol calibers take multiple shots to incapacitate. What do you think .22 will do.

File: IMAG0068.jpg (3MB, 4000x3000px) Image search: [Google]

3MB, 4000x3000px

>>33858283
Glory be to Cz!

>>33862709

what do you use that pistol for?

hunting witnesses.

>>33869019
Is that an og shortrail cz75?

>>33869105
Unfortunately it's not.

>>33869019
Whered you get your grips at?

>>33859834
I fail to see the problem.

File: CZ 75 B Omega.jpg (2MB, 2653x1837px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 2653x1837px

>>33858283
Can never go wrong with a gold ol' 75 B.

>>33869439
Got them from vintage grips iirc. I got to double check.

File: Claire Gerhardstein.webm (2MB, 404x720px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 404x720px

>>33863315
>>33863067
yes, her name is Claire G. see this filename

>>33869439
Yeah, they're from Vintage Gun Grips.

>>33862678
Would love one...but ended up getting a sphinx sdp compact

>>33858283
The finish on the CZ in the OP's pic looks terrible. Is it just semi-gloss enamel paint?

File: sphinxter3k.jpg (67KB, 1200x997px) Image search: [Google]

67KB, 1200x997px

>>33858283

Any Witness owners carry theirs? What's a good holster? I'm thinking OWB OC or shoulder holster CC.

File: AlmBHNX.jpg (853KB, 3917x1469px) Image search: [Google]

853KB, 3917x1469px

>>33870645
yea the finish is shit

>>33871711
Goddamn that's worse than my Remlin Marlin.

>>33870732
Is that trigger as shit as it looks?

>>33871711
>.40 S&W

>>33872704
apparently u get more points in some competition shooting for using a caliber bigger than 9mm or something idk

File: reconpistol1.jpg (6KB, 295x194px) Image search: [Google]

6KB, 295x194px

>>33862709
7 inch in 10mm with compensator. That shit makes me hard as hickory. I love my witness elite match in 10mm I want one of their higher end guns.

>>33864002
Finally,. Was going through the thread and noticed nobody poste a 3rd gen smith. I love my 1066.

>>33862405
falling block > tilting barrel

>>33870732
looks just like my witness elite match except for the full length dust cover.

>>33864056
would people buy these if they went into production again (with a perhaps better capacity)

>>33872839
Now is the best time for it. It's always had a good reputation and now it's going through a renaissance with everyone and their mother going on YouTube and saying how they rented it from a warlock in a hidden corner of Dusseldorf and they decided there it was the best CC pistol ever made. I think it would be a great choice to update it (polymer, modern drop safeties, bring it out the door with plenty of customization options) and release it in the US market with their upcoming Georgia factory. It's capacity was always good, it's got an 8-round single-stack and a later iteration was a 13-round double stack. Anything more and it becomes too wide to be that great hybrid of duty pistol and subcompact. I would totally buy one.

I DID IT GUYS, I GAVE IN TO MY STUPID SELF AFTER LOOKING AT MY BANK ACCOUNT FOR HOURS AND BOUGHT AN SP-01.

PLEASE TELL ME I DIDN'T FUCK UP.

>>33872968
You can always use your new SP-01 to get more money
Its a win-win

>>33862296
Are you trying to down aircraft with those sights, anon?

>>33872948
Also squeeze-cocking is a grip safety that actually works

>>33858283
1911.
>commercially available in every caliber from .22lr through .357mag plus more wildcats than all other semi-automatic pistols combined
>available in everything from micro-compact to extended-fullsize
>available in either single or doublestack mag
>available with stainless, carbon steel, aluminum alloy, or polymer frame
>available with or without the beavertail safety
>universally agreed as the GOAT pistol trigger

>>33860130
>$7500USD
>$90 mags
>$2/rd ammo
>MOTHAFUCKIN PROPRIETARY BULLET DIAMETER BECAUSE FUCK RELOADERS

>>33860250
>are going to be a thing
>implying they haven't been a thing since fucking 1896 with the .30 Mauser

File: IMG_0535.jpg (1MB, 3264x2448px) Image search: [Google]

1MB, 3264x2448px

>>33862918
My limited gun

>>33873086
While I somewhat agree I'm not completely sure about putting .30 mauser in that club, the five-meme flings a bullet quarter the weight at double the velocity.
And there's several good reasons why those relatively low mass-high velocity cartridges got replaced by slower fatter bullets instead of .22 magnum or some shit

>>33873371
It's a different ball game from when we were shooting Muslim fanatics with .32 fmj slugs. A modern low-mass/high-velocity bullet is much more lethal with the quality of powder and bullet design we have now. We're not going to be firing .22 Magnum in the future, we're going to be firing bullets that travel at 1500 fps and turn into blooming onions on PCP at impact. Spitzer pistol rounds feed much more reliably and can load more powder, they're objectively better, it's about when someone with the money and credibility dives into the deep end and puts something out there. FN got fucked up by NATO politicking but even they probably wouldn't say the P90 plan was a failure.

>>33859850
I carry a fullsized steel frame handgun, git gud.

>>33873597
Also mags are only getting bigger; an older argument would be something like 13 rounds of 9mm is better than 7 rounds of .45 but the future will be something like 21 rounds of 9mm versus 15 rounds of .357 SIG. It's the same difference but does the gap seem quite as wide?

>>33862587
It breaks my heart that Massachusetts has such a cocked up, corrupt/lobbied up with manufacturers list of approved guns. About the best all metal option I've got is a Sig 226, and they're tolerable, but the bore is ridiculously high.

>>33869019
I have a mission for you Agent 47.

>>33858283
glocks are best cuz they explode
yeah u die but ur enemy dies 2 if hes close enough 2 u

>>33858283

Anything here:

http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/The_Matrix

>>33874145

The Martyr perk is overrated desu, totally fucks up your K-D ratio.

>>33874231
yea but then you just hope the other guy dies a second before you so you have a good k-d for the last second of your life

File: pmr-30.jpg (46KB, 640x480px) Image search: [Google]

46KB, 640x480px

>>33873597
The problem there is military and police are still cucked to using FMJ, and yet 9mm is adequate to make people very dead very quick. Not saying there isn't room for improvement, but it's hardly a pressing matter.
And actually some sort of turbo expanders could make a .22 magnum a pretty sweet option, especially if someone took the effort to make a rimless variant

>>33874240
I thought police generally carried sadistic expanding warheads that should be universally outlawed?

>>33874275
Probably varies, cba to look it up

File: o020_0.jpg (126KB, 424x472px) Image search: [Google]

126KB, 424x472px

>mfw CZ 527 in 6.5 Grendel
Hold my bank account, I'm going in.

>>33863839
>sexless
why are you even here?

File: tt_33_tokarev_background_by_nirwrath.jpg (572KB, 1440x900px) Image search: [Google]

572KB, 1440x900px

>>33858283
I know You don't believe, but the Tokarev pistol have the same single action trigger mechanism with 1911, and much lighter.

>>33875837
yea the tokarev is way better than the 1911 tb.h too bad it doesnt come in 9mm

CZ 75 SP-01

/thread

>>33873071
>proprietary bullet diameter
My heart just sank out of my chest and into my lap.

>>33872968
You didn't fuck up. If you don't like it, which I sincerely, highly doubt you will find something bad about it, you can get your money back 110%

File: m70a.jpg (133KB, 800x520px) Image search: [Google]

133KB, 800x520px

>>33875850
ZASTAVA M70A 9MM SHOOTING
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3taR2DLYAQ

>>33874240
Oh yeah, I get you, it's not pressing, but guns are at an exciting point where we see we've perfected everything we have and everyone knows the next thing needs to be a game changer.
>>33874275
Shooting is always shooting to kill and should be treated as such. The militarization of the police is a different matter.

>>33874275
>sadistic expanding warheads
Because a regular bullet is so much more """""""humane"""""""" .
Why are you even here faggot

>>33872697
are you as retarded as I think?

File: IMG_0653.jpg (22KB, 280x180px) Image search: [Google]

22KB, 280x180px

Trying to decide between the CZ p01 or the Rami for concealed carry. Any opinions.

I recently got one of those p01 sized compact SP01s that are labeled as 75 compacts. I love it. Heavy as fuck for a compact though.

>>33878070
The Rami is rarer than a virgin in a dockside whorehouse.

>>33878070
PCR dude

>>33859826
sig is so overrated. Every fail test video I see they jam faster than all the other pistols and yet for some reason they're used by the CIA and military because
>muh stylish

even though it basically looks like some bulky chink design

>>33863177
what kind of glock is that

File: 1493682990317.jpg (36KB, 655x527px) Image search: [Google]

36KB, 655x527px

>>33872800

Can you elaborate?

File: 2017-05-02 11.37.20.png (471KB, 450x800px) Image search: [Google]

471KB, 450x800px

My new 75 sp01

File: 20170423_173421.jpg (351KB, 1920x1080px) Image search: [Google]

351KB, 1920x1080px

>stop it CZ, you're embarassing us
>fuck you, I'm doing what I want

>>33875913
Zastava CZ99 is also good. A heavier P226 copy.

File: 577730543.jpg (79KB, 624x452px) Image search: [Google]

79KB, 624x452px

Is the feed ramp on anyone's CZ asymmetrical? I've never had any kind of feeding problems but I noticed that it's not symmetrical the other day while cleaning my CZ 75.

File: 1288841288239.jpg (12KB, 245x318px) Image search: [Google]

12KB, 245x318px

>>33859841
>not feeding your CZ with S&B

>guy offers 600 for my SP01 Shadow

Should I take it? It's barely used.

I'm thinking of passing this offer.

>>33876895
>>33877059
Come the fuck on you homos, you seriously couldn't pick up on the sarcasm there? And sadly that is what the people making laws seem to think, somewhat gimping the development of more hi-tec projectiles

>>33878070
Both are way too heavy for CC :(

File: 15z_CZ97B_L_01411.png (757KB, 1920x1380px) Image search: [Google]

757KB, 1920x1380px

I wish CZ made a compact 97 so badly

>>33879359
Heavy is good if you want anything bigger than 9mm.

>>33879066
what the fuck have you done to your rear sight?

>>33879194
lol no

>>33879445
usage
dunno why it lost it's bluing

File: springfield_armory_trp__45acp_by_prodigy1333-d3d3ikz.jpg (467KB, 1131x707px) Image search: [Google]

467KB, 1131x707px

Certainly not the best but

>Don't like modern looking 1911s
>Like TRP for some reason
>1500 dollars

I wish i were a rich man

File: Sonnye 2.jpg (612KB, 1777x1000px) Image search: [Google]

612KB, 1777x1000px

not all steel but still...

File: Sonnye.jpg (220KB, 1080x598px) Image search: [Google]

220KB, 1080x598px

>>33879507

>>33878381
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/BrowseItems.aspx?Keywords=2075+rami&Cats=0

Holy shit I cracked the code

>>33878458
>MAC faggot

Do they make a compact version of the shadow? Do cz's have a good aftermarket? I just shot a Sig 229 recently and fell in love with hammer forged guns. Looking to replace my glock.

File: IMG_20170130_214810_725.jpg (920KB, 2592x1944px) Image search: [Google]

920KB, 2592x1944px

>>33873094
Nice, how long have you had it? I might have put it together if you bought it in the last couple years.

File: Sphinx.jpg (103KB, 1069x721px) Image search: [Google]

103KB, 1069x721px

>>33872697
streight trigger are sexy as fuck.

File: DSC_1615_R70_NoEdit_4C.jpg (2MB, 3450x2285px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 3450x2285px

Hit the range for the first time in a long time boys. Fell back in love with the CZ. Grabbed some new pics too since I've gotten tired of using the old ones.

>>33879812
>Do they make a compact version of the shadow?
Don't think so
>Do cz's have a good aftermarket?
Very much so. Check out CZCustom and Cajun Gun Works. Both have a lot of products and services offered on their websites and are generally well-regarded.
>Looking to replace my glock.
DO IT

>>33879880
Damn right, also fuck that two-tone and nill grip combo is sex.

>>33879179
Post pics bud, mine looks symmetrical but im just eyeballing it.

>>33878381
They're not glock-level market saturation but I've seen a number of them pass through my LGS and there's a few on Gunbroker. I wouldn't call them rare enough to warrant a statement like that.

>>33879366
>wanting compact .45's
Why is this so prevalent?

>>33880375
Well .45 is still a fairly popular round, so naturally people would want the same caliber carry gun as the one they shoot with. while on the topic I wonder if .45 does better out nof super short subcompact barrels vs 9mm, like how .300AAC is better out of a sort Barrel than a 5.56.

>>33880459
I wouldn't want a .45 with anything less than a 4.5", *maybe* 4" barrel...9mm I'd feel comfortable going down a bit more.

>>33880459
It's the opposite, think through the physics for a second. Gunpowder can only create acceleration while the cartridge is in the barrel. A bigger bullet requires more force behind it to create acceleration. Therefore, a fuddy-five needs more barrel, more burned powder, to reach a desired speed than 9mm.

>>33880541
More space for burning to happen in a bigger caliber barrel tho

>>33859850
Only pussies dont conceal carry full sized pistols. Try harder, suburban faglords.

>>33880553
It's much less space provided than an inch of barrel. Keep in mind that .45 is subsonic out of a 5" barrel, a barrel usually considered unnecessarily long for 9mm.

File: 20170506_095227.jpg (4MB, 4032x3024px) Image search: [Google]

4MB, 4032x3024px

>>33859885

Picked one up yesterday

>>33880157
Hmm, so which compact would you recommend? Looking for 9mm

File: cf11a1f43a4b30a19601fa66168a1c3c.jpg (623KB, 1200x798px) Image search: [Google]

623KB, 1200x798px

>>33881287
I dont personally have experience with compact pistols, or carrying.
But from what I know, if you want to look at CZ's, you could definitely look at the various compact models (CZ 75 Compact, 75 D PCR, P-01) and then use aftermarket parts to upgrade them to performance more or less equivalent to the shadow line. This would likely require upgrading the trigger, hammer, and some springs, all of which could be had from CZC or CGW as previously mentioned. Pic related is an upgraded P-01, looks like this guy did the hammer, sights, and grips, and it's probably safe to assume he did some springs/internals upgrades as well.

So you've got options from CZ, but you won't get high end parts from the factory like you would with a Shadow gun. Personally I've got my eye on the P-01 as a carry gun for winter/cold weather. Unfortunately CZ doesn't really make any lightweight compacts so you'd have to go elsewhere for that.

>>33881464
Awesome! Thanks for the information man

File: 20170409_015941.jpg (4MB, 4032x3024px) Image search: [Google]

4MB, 4032x3024px

Anyone else love the Hogue grips for cz75?

>>33862754
>fire
This board is whites only boy

>>33880561
>Only pussies dont conceal carry full sized pistols. Try harder, suburban faglords.
>>33873670
>I carry a fullsized steel frame handgun, git gud.
>>33860150
>If you're a wimpy faggot

This is why /k/ will always be small time. You faggots are so predictable and boring.

File: DSC_1691_CCR70.jpg (2MB, 3105x2057px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 3105x2057px

>>33881563
np bud. Hope I helped.

>>33881764
Assuming they give as good of a grip as they look like they do, I can see why you'd like them. That said, I hate finger grooves and rubber grips so they're not my thing.

>>33863736
not tok. nop.nopnopnopnopnop.

Hey, what the fuck? I just noticed that CZ's website doesn't seem to have the 85 anymore, and there's like one 85 on gunbroker. Are they no longer made?

>>33858283
Personal preference:

Duty: CZ-75 variants, 1911, then sig p226

CC: CZ PCR/P01, 1911, then sig p229

Lots of people would prefer the sig over the other two, particularly for serious use due to their reputation for reliability.

Personally I don't find MY CZs or 1911s to be unreliable and prefer them to Sigs.

>>33862296
I've got an older 85 combat(transitional), unfortunately it's currently living with my friend.

>>33882070
Somehow forgot that S&W, Beretta, ruger were a thing. all three are pretty good.

File: BerettaM9ServiceLife.jpg (55KB, 618x343px) Image search: [Google]

55KB, 618x343px

Guys I have a question about frame service life.
What happens when a frame exceeds it's service life ?
What issues does it have ?
Will it always crack ?
What about these frame rails that the slide rides on ?
What would happen if you kept replacing slides and keeping the original frame ( assuming it doesn't crack ) ?
Are these frame rails the only thing that would keep it from working forever ?
Would it be easy to repair if you can't weld ?

>>33875869
Yeah for whatever reason they decided on using ultralight (90-115gr) .312" bullets.

They have also stated that they as a company have no intention of producing just the bullet for sale to reloaders, and while I suppose it's theoretically possible to load up some of the lighter (as in, ~160gr) .303brit bullets at significantly reduced velocity they'll lose all of their effectiveness.

>>33882319
>what happens when a frame exceeds its service life?
It's given to the National Guard or Marine Reserves.
>what issues does it have?
Other than being sloppier than a 40 year old whore's vag? Cracked frame, gouged or worn-to-nothing frame rails, bent dust cover or magwell, stretching of the frame to where shit doesn't line up even close to right.
>will it always crack?
Eventually. Whether that's at 25,000 rounds or 250,000 rounds is impossible to tell though.
>what about these frame rails
Usually wear out, but the gun will still be functional if inaccurate until they've worn enough the slide literally can be pulled up and off them.
>are these frame rails the only thing that would keep it from working forever?
Fuck no. Pin holes will egg out, the frame itself will stretch, shit will get bent.
>would it be easy to repair if you can't weld?
Fuck no. And being an aluminum alloy frame, welding (while doable) is a very VERY temporary fix.

>>33882425
Does this also apply to pistols like the S&W M&P series, where there is a chassis inside the frame that holds the trigger group and frame rails ?

>>33882384
You can tell them to go fuck themselves and make a casting mold to sell.

>>33882476
To at least some extent yes.

Steel slide rails can be welded up and re-cut (although this is rarely economical enough to be worth it). While ALL frames and sub-frames will eventually stretch, steel frames take so many hundreds of thousands of rounds to do so (provided they're properly designed or the gun hasn't been re-chambered to a wildcat magnum) the frame will fail in a different way before the stretching is severe enough to cause issues.

Cracking will always be an issue regardless of material or design. The question is when, and at what point is it acceptable for them to start cracking. Same thing with pin holes egging out.

>>33882496
I'm sure Accurate or NOE would make you a full-custom one cheaper than FK would sell one.

Or chop the back third off a Lyman .303brit mould.

>super high pressure, high velocity mini rifle round
>cast bullet
I seriously hope you have a lot of experience with gas checks and powder coating.

>>33882550
Can you explain more about these pin holes egging out ?
What causes that to happen and what is the result ?

>>33882649
Normal wear and tear, although it takes a LOT of shooting to damage them enough to start causing malfunctions.

Basically the pin holes get sloppy enough parts no longer stay in their proper alignment. This can cause basically all kinds of different problems depending on which part of the gun isn't in its proper alignment.

>>33878458
>yet for some reason they're used by the CIA and military
Because there's only those several fail test videos. Most CIA agents aren't stupid enough to throw their gun in mud, you sperg

>>33882606
Yeah or that.
I'd send them an email about it too, mocking them.

Oh and hardcast and powder coating.
Would be fine.

File: image.jpg (231KB, 1420x909px) Image search: [Google]

231KB, 1420x909px

You faggots jelly?
Cz75 sp01 tactical urban grey edition

>>33882731
Jelly of what? Your filthy living conditions? Clear your fucking floor.

>>33882677
I'm assuming these problems would show sooner on Aluminium frames and synthetic frames ?

Would there be any good 3D printable frames for pistols ?

>>33882754
>assuming my foor is dirty from a grainy low res photo.

>>33882731

>Uber tacticool

Good for you, really, everyone says it is a great gun - but I personally could never bring myself to buy something like that. It just looks garish to me. TBF, I want to know why they call it "Urban Grey" in the first place. I assume it's meant to denote some sort of urban camo, but I don't see that helping or hurting anymore than just black would.

>>33882774
No faggot I can see the discoloration in the grouting. You don't clean your floors enough.

>>33882774

Not him, but your floor is dirty.

The grain between the tiles says that you haven't properly mopped those floors in a long ass time. Or if you have, you're basically just using water. Get some stronger cleaner.

>>33882788
That's the color pattern of the tiles you dumb faggot.
Hell I bet my room is a lot cleaner than yours given I run my air conditioner 24/7 and that the air filter captures a lot of the dust in the air.

>>33882755
Generally, but it's also normally a non-issue. So much else in a gun fails first most of the time.

No, 3D printing under current tech doesn't have the strength to be used in even rimfire repeating pistols.

>>33882836

We are talking about the grout, grout (when cleaned) is always white. Unless it's super old and you're a heavy smoker, then it's stained yellow. When it gets dirty, it turns darker. We can both see how the grout is darker than it would be if you had mopped the floors properly.

>>33882868
You mean the sections in between the tiles?
Yeah I just tried scrubbing that with some bleach and it did nothing.
That has always been the color.

File: 1491407301623.jpg (269KB, 900x600px) Image search: [Google]

269KB, 900x600px

>>33882845
I regularly think about if one day my evil government bans all further sales of firearms parts, if it would be possible for a user who has no experience in gunsmithing, to repair a pistol frame indefinitely.
And if so, what would be required of it.
I'm guessing since frame stretching and the wear on the rails, it would already require the manufacturing of an entirely new frame.
Is there anything that comes to mind or would everyone in this scenario need to become a metalworker ?
I'm assuming this also applies to the receivers of rifles ?

>>33882845
>No, 3D printing under current tech doesn't have the strength to be used in even rimfire repeating pistols.

I am going to split hairs here.

You probably could, it just isn't economically feasible and further, pretty much no one who isn't a millionaire could do it.

This part is almost entirely 3D printed. You can see the portions that aren't given the stark contrast, but it is capable of handling some truly absurd variances in temperature and G force being applied to it without issue. The chamber has a psi of 1,000 for instance, and the rocket itself can generate over 16,000 lbf.

Since the chamber can withstand these sorts of forces, I can't see why you couldn't build a gun using a printer. They sell for like 200k per unit though, IIRC.

File: printed_super_draco_3_lr.jpg (153KB, 1000x1500px) Image search: [Google]

153KB, 1000x1500px

>>33882953

Fuck, I forgot my image.

>>33882836
No faggot I'm talking about the grout in between the tiles.
>my room is clean because I run an air conditioner
Lol okay kid.

>>33882868
It doesn't always have to be white but it's generally always one solid color unless you're an expensive richfag.
>>33882922
The filth is engrained in. Either the people before you didn't clean or you're a filthy faggot that doesn't know how to clean.

>>33882936
>H9

REEEEEEE FUCKING WHEN

>>33882953
>>33882967
That gains a lot of its structural integrity from its shape. Round/spherical objects are very resistant to burst pressures.

Pistols are usually represented in some variation of a rectangle. Your widely or commonly available (at any price) 3D printer filaments simply don't have the tensile strength to do a pistol frame, end of story.

>>33882971
Yeah and it probably is you imbecile.
Air contains a lot of dust(lot of human skin and mite shit) so the air conditioner running all the time does clean the air and keep some of it from getting unto services.

Yeah I'm a fairly organized person and not really a pig.
If the dirt is engrained in then I really don't care since it's not spreading around and since I didn't cause it since I I clean.

File: Blyskawica1.jpg (153KB, 900x567px) Image search: [Google]

153KB, 900x567px

>>33882936
>> I regularly think about if one day my evil government bans all further sales of firearms parts, if it would be possible for a user who has no experience in gunsmithing, to repair a pistol frame indefinitely.

Make a Sten gun like the underground Resistance. It is easier than make a pistol.
This is Polish Edition, named Błyskawica SMG.

File: hqdefault.jpg (15KB, 480x360px) Image search: [Google]

15KB, 480x360px

Philippines: Cebu Province: Illegal Gun-Manufacturing Centre - 1997
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4qwK1KgL_s

>>33883057
This requires welding though (or at least I believe it does), which I consider part of the metalworking craft.

Either way I think I'll just have to accept the fact that my great grandchildren will have to replace my pistol frame or become gunsmiths.

Unless I become one first.

>>33883049

Well, kinda.

They used a EOS 3D Metal Printer, and Inconel.

The fact that it's made from Inconel probably is one of the reasons why it works at all. There's nothing polymer or carbon there. Just metal alloy.

>>33858283
I want to carry a CZ 75 P-01

Now if only anyone around me had one in stock.

>>33882936
In order to repair a steel-framed pistol FRAME, you only need a welder, the appropriate steel welding rod, a bench vise, and a mill file.

>bump limit

Gentlemen, it's been an honor.

File: mp22fde.jpg~original.jpg (148KB, 787x600px) Image search: [Google]

148KB, 787x600px

>>33883187
How would you fix the frame stretching though ? ( Assuming in this fantasy scenario you also managed to fire a million rounds but don't have access to a spare frame )

>>33883218
Smash it back into shape in the vise and/or weld and re-cut the pin holes (which would also, at a minimum, require a drill press and correctly sized bits).

>>33883167
Grab a gun had 2 in stock for 620 shipped.

>>33883167
Oh nvm, that's the p01.
Why get that?
Get a 2075 rami.
There are several on armslist right now.
Use a credit card and PayPal though, in case of scammer.

>>33882070
>reputation for reliability
Honestly, at this point I personally don't think reliability is worth making a point of. The majority of the popular choices for duty guns are reliable. Glocks, CZs, Sigs, S&W, I don't know of a major player that markets a gun as a duty weapon that isn't reliable.

This isn't a knock against anyone's beliefs or arguments. I just think we live in a time where firearms are designed well enough that as long as you're not buying some cheap piece of shit, the market is saturated with duty weapons that have extremely high reliability. Preference and performance are what should be focused on.

>>33883426
no guns are even reliable enough yet to pass macs backyard mud test much less actual combat scenarios consistently. any modern gun would jam to fuck in a ww1 muddy trench type battle. we're lucky we are only fighting in the middle east right now where there is no mud

>>33883213

Indeed.