/meg/ - Military Enlistment General

>>33836921
If I lied about my medical history will they find out if I try and get a Top Secret security clearance?

Took depression meds once. How fucked will I be if I try and get a security clearance?

>>33836921
Old thread:
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>>33836921
I was looking into being an armorer but in the last thread I was informed it's a really shitty job.

What's a good job in the Army or Air Force that isn't combat, and someone who's retarded at math but very good at everything else can do?

I'm pretty open, as long as it isn't overly repetitive and I get to be around other people while I do it. I'm really social and I get bored really easily.

>>33837062

>retarded at math but very good at everything else

I used to be like you. That's a symptom of laziness unless you have a legitimate disability. Hopefully the service straightens that out.

How is Mortuary Affairs Specialist 92M ?

IF YOU AINT INFANTRY YOU AINT SHIT
FUCK POGS

>>33837395
In fairness to him, mathematics is woefully taught in the western world. If I had to go through contemporary mathematics education I wouldn't understand it either - it's mind numbing.

>>33837062
Intelligence.

>>33837442

It's badly done, but when you realize how important it actually is then you've gotta knuckle down and do what it takes to learn.

>>33837486
I'm aware of how important it is, and used to go to tutoring 2 hours a day while I was in college and I still can't even do math on paper.

Makes me think I'm an idiot savant or something...that all I'm actually good at is knowing about history, guns, and philosophy.

>>33837430
I hate privates.

>>33837430
Feeling self conscious about that 40 on your asvab, anon?

From the last thread...

>Just got back from MEPS today, need help with my job list.
>I was told I needed to list 9 jobs and an aptitude area. I listed:
>1NOX1 - Operations Intel
>1N4XI - Fusion Analyst
>3DOX2 - Cyber Systems
>3DOX3 - Cyber Surety
You don't want this. Not at all cyber, you deal with paperwork and security procedures.
>3D1X2 - Cyber Transport
>3D1X1 - Client Systems
>4JOX2 - Physical Medicine
>4A2X1 - Biomedical Equipment
>4AOX1 - Health Services Management

>I selected the Electrical aptitude area to avoid the risk of getting something shitty in Open General. Here's the thing, my recruiter says that if I leave my aptitude area Electrical, I will definitely get it because of my scores, but most of the jobs in that aptitude I don't want either.
>What do? If I go Open General will I definitely get a shitty job? My recruiter says it's not likely and most of his recruiter that in to basic Open General got Intel or Medical Jobs. He also says there's a chance I wont get booked open general if I select it, and I could get a different job off my list right off the bat.

This is tough. If you get booked for open general, you run the risk of getting the seriously ass jobs... Security Forces comes to mind. Me personally, I'd run the risk of possibly getting an electrical job I may or may not like, vs an awful general job like security forces or services.
IIRC, you won't necessarily be put in for the open aptitude area that you choose. You get that open area if your other selected jobs aren't available, and then at BMT you'll pick a list of open jobs in your open area, and get assigned one of them.

In my flight all the open general guys got medical/intel, but the MTIs were sorta surprised. They said that they've seen all the open generals in flights get assigned SecFo, so I guess it is just based on manning levels at that moment.

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Hey guys, I'll be graduating high school next month and I want to join the military. Looking on advice on what branch I should go with. I am considering the Seals or the Green Berets but I really don't know so looking for ideas

I don't want to be a desk jockey or a POG. I want to slay bodies. Ideally, I'd like to be in a branch or unit where I can choose my own missions. Like where and when I'd go. It would also be pretty cool to be able to choose and customize my own weapon instead of using the standard boring shit the infantry gets.

I also want to be an officer. I'd like to go in as at least a Captain. I've been told officers get better pay and benefits and generally get treated better

What branch should I look into first?

>>33837062
Intel, cyber, medical.
Hell, even MX if you have to, it's not terribly repetitive and it's definitely social.

Jobs to avoid:
>security forces - scanning IDs all day is ultra monotonous
>services - dishing up eggs and handing out towels at the gym
>personnel/admin jobs - making IDs and processing the same forms all day
>finance - math is involved
>many CE jobs can be repetitive

>>33837856
b8 aside, this sums up 50% of all questions on /meg/.

>>33837879
What rank can you usually get out of the barracks in the USAF in the intel field? Considering enlisting with a bachelor's

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>>33837062
>retarded at math
How does someone end up retarded at math?

What the fuck do you mean by that?

Just work in Finance.

>>33837929

Math requires lots of repetition and practice to do it properly, though if you miss a step at a previous level but don't know it then you're fucked trying to learn the higher level stuff. Basically the "smart but lazy" types are good at everything but math.

Currently in the navy nuke program AMA

>>33837848
Aren't most of the cyber jobs, except for security, really nice nerd jobs?

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>>33837430
>FUCK POGS
Okay cowboy

>>33837972
Why for Christ's sake did you choose nuke?
How hard is it?

>>33837923
E-4 across the entire branch.
Some bases you get out earlier, since there's only so much dorm space, and they need to make room for newer airmen.

>>33837986
Most assignments are quite good, some can suck if you're stuck working on irrelevant 30 year old equipment.

>>33837950
>Math requires lots of repetition and practice to do it properly

What the fuck?

Is this what self proclaimed "smart but lazy" people tell themselves?

>>33838017
Really E-4, is that the norm? I've heard even the Army is like E-6 usually

>>33838005
I chose it for all the career options once I get out, plus just to see if a three year shut in can handle the """hardest""" program in the navy. Dollars and working with science shit is neat too.

It's not that hard, there's just a high volume of work. Everything is simplified, you're niy gonna see math past an algebra 2/ trig level. Electricity can be a bit tricky though.

It's a high volume of academics on top of some military duties, most days I wake up at 4 am and don't sleep till 11 pm. Weekends are nice though.

>>33838050
The AFI says that Airmen with E-4 and 3 years time in service are authorized to live off base.
There's really no point in keeping people in barracks for more than a few years.

>>33838145

>tfw you perked up at E-4 getting to live off base
>tfw by the three year mark you expect to be E-5 barring a massive fuckup so the point is moot

>>33838174
Most places you'll move out at E-4, no matter time in service. That 3 years is an absolute deadline.

How do you plan to make E-5 in 3 years? You'd have to enlist as an E-3, possibly make BTZ depending on when you enlist, and make it the first time you test.
Don't get me wrong, it's possible... my supervisor did it. It's just quite rare.

>>33838267

I have 60 hours college credit and I'm not a fuck up. I know other people who have done the same.

>>33837879
What's MX?

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>>33838325

>>33838022
>Is this what self proclaimed "smart but lazy" people tell themselves?
I don't. I doubt my intelligence all the fucking time because I'm so bad with math. I can do everything else great, but no matter how much I beat my head against the wall with math, I don't get it. I've never even done long division or fractions by myself because I freeze up or try to do it and I fuck it up somehow and don't know how I did it. Hard part is when people that are good at it try to teach you and they act like it's simple and get surprised that I get stuck on such "easy" shit.

It sucks, man.

>>33838472
Anon, you might be retarded. Go watch some YouTube videos on that shit and figure it out.

>>33838307
I'm sure you're hot shit, but you *cannot* count on getting BTZ.

Anyways, here's the numbers...
To be eligible to test for the 2019 SSgt promotion cycle:
You must have enlisted (1st day of boot camp) prior to the 1st of August 2017
You must be SrA before the 1st of Feb 2019

To make the Feb 2019 cutoff, you'll have to get BTZ. You'd also have to ship out to boot camp this month.
You'd get BTZ Jan 2019, test for Ssgt May 2019, find out in Aug, and then you'd probably have to wait until the summer of 2020 to sew on the rank.

If you're shooting for the 2020 promotion cycle, the prime time to ship out would be September, which ensures that you will be SrA in Jan 2020, probably sewing on spring/summer of 2021.
No BTZ required.

In reality, ship out ASAP, because waiting to ship is just wasted time.

>>33836952
Someone halp

>>33836952

They have no crystal ball. Your medical history is protected by law. You'll probably get away with it unless you admit to it.

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What the easiest way to become a frogman?

>>33838543
If I was retarded, I'd have struggled giving you a coherent response.

>>33838341
>navy 105 iq
Navy has the highest IQ faglord

>>33838267
>>33838549
yeah and that's implying the uppity cunt in your shop/squadron isn't going to get BTZ because she had a small role in a bake sale once, that she skipped anyway.

BTZ literally does not matter to anyone E4 and above, and like this anon said, it only seldom helps toward promotion testing.

>>33838092
At DLIFLC right now, all of this is true while also getting into language theory and a bunch of metaphorocal speak.

>>33838145
>>33838174
>>33838267
How gay is living in the barracks anyhow? I know you get fucked out BAH, you don't get BAS either right? Are you even allowed to have a car?

>>33838886
Metaphorical*
>>33838888
No car, you do get free colonoscopies though

>>33838878
Hah, this guy's been in the AF.
A disproportionate number of females win BTZ...

>>33838888
No BAS (usually), you eat at the chow hall. I got BAS since I worked random shifts and our chow hall was only open 3 hrs a day.
You can have a car. I had three at one point (not allowed).

Nice quads.

>>33838891
Wow I didn't get any anal action, sounds like I missed out.

>>33838341
>145 IQ
>enlists

shoulda joined the marines faggot

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>>33838888
Depends on the mission. I've gotten BAS since I first arrived at my first duty station, but it's because of my mission and the fact that I spend about 6 months at a """"""deployed"""""" location (CONUS).

Also we got what's called "save pay" because the DFAC shut down for like a year, so I was getting about $800 per month in BAS. Good times.

Oh, and about having cars... I had all this in the pic at one point. No one ever said anything. Make sure they're all registered though.

>>33838970
>145 IQ
>takes out 80k in student loans

Nah famalm.

>>33838743
But when you consent to a security clearance they legally can view any employment, medical, or financial documents they want.

You sign the paper that gives them the right to violate your privacy.

>>33838985
I spend 4 months out of the year "deployed in place".

It's just as gay as it sounds.

>>33839022
It's the reason I'm retraining into CATM. Fuck Minot. Know how everyone says it sucks? Well it's gotten worse for SF folk.

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What color Camero should I buy with my money? I'm thinking green.

Those familiar with USAF ASFCs know what Space Systems Operations is like? How is the training and workload?
I have mostly intel/cyber jobs in mind so far but this one seems far too cool/lucrative to leave off my list.

>>33839102
Don't be stupid. Get something used and cheap that sips fuel like a civic or a protege.

>>33836952
>I lied
stopped reading right there

>>33839131
You control satellites and their systems, don't know a ton since it's wrapped in secrecy.

Your tech school is a decent length, you're in Vandenburg CA though so it's not all that bad.
Totally cool as hell, idk about lucrative.

Make sure to say hi when you make it out here to Colorado Springs.

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what can I do to pass the duck walk... I've already tried squatting and stretching and I still can't do it properly, it hurts my knees and I can only take 3-4 steps before I lose balance

>>33839194
Everyone who had asthma or whatever will lie to get in. In my case I took depression meds once. That's an automatic DQ. I don't even have depression.

If you don't want to wait months to get waivers you lie. Same with drug history. Only a dumbass will be truthful. Even the sleezy recruiters tell you to shut the fuck up and don't say a word at meps.

>>33839102
oink oink

>>33839102
Make sure its a V6. Bitches love that V6

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>Its a "white commander and a nigger is the head SNCO of the unit" episode

Wonder why Jamal can never get into a command position. Really twists the ole noodle. Almost like command positions require an IQ.

>>33839321
that probably works fine for the 99% of jobs that only require a shitty basic security clearance, but I wouldn't lie about anything if you're going for something that needs a TS-- I've read stories from guys who got busted because they lied about smoking pot and a friend of a friend of a friend told the investigator about it. Then you'll be at basic training after signing a 6-year to be a CTN, and then they'll deny your TS and you'll be stuck as a janitor instead.

>>33839363
my flight commander in basic was black

>>33837879
Is the Air Force giving any bonuses for Intel, or anything at all currently that isn't shit?

>>33839573
Sorry, I'm just a network tech.
Recruiter could tell ya.

>>33839635
what can i expect to be doing as client systems

>>33839680
Re-imaging PCs and otherwise generally fixing people's PCs.

You deal with mainly user desktops.

>>33839573

For cryptolinguist yes.

>>33839260
Just practice that heel-toe. Experiment with step length, overstriding will make you lose balance. Better to take many short steps.

>>33839801
>cryptolinguist
How much for how long? Do I need to be bilingual?

Thanks senpai

>>33839019

They'd have to find it. What database are they going to search? The ones you tell them. Do you think that they know what doctor you went to when you were 12?

That said, if they bring it up, just remember: you didn't remember it happening.

>>33839912

They teach you the language. Idk what the bonus for how long is right now, but safe bet it's 6 years.

>>33839912
>>33840114
Don't do this unless you're confident in your language learning ability.
Passing the aptitude test doesn't mean you'll make it through the course.

>Intelligence analyst (35f)

could I have made a smarter choice?

>>33840377

Not if you want to coast right into a comfortable white collar job when you're done.

>>33836921
My resting heart rate without beta blockers is in the 90s to low 100s, but is in the 60s to 70 with them.

Am I fucked? I can try to taper off of them to see if my resting rate stabilizes at 60 to 70, but I'm not sure if it will. My cardiologist says I'm healthy, but tachycardia in the military is a big no no.

What do?

>>33840377
Bonus for this? I know Sigint is 15k

>>33840377
me too. when do you ship?

>>33837879
How do they get people in the air force to sign up for services? I do that shit now at the gym I work at and if I had to do that for four years I think I'd kill myself

>>33840459
>>33840459
tbd. 35f seems most attractive for me. I want to finished my degree in international relations, while learning field craft. figures crossed to get into an abc facet, or foreign service. noto make this tl:dr but /k/ has quality advice

>>33840509
>How do they get people in the air force to sign up for services?

They're basically drop outs from another MOS. Security Forces is bottom barrel for the dumbasses in the AF to actually have something to do because they signed a contract instead of just booting them to an 11 series in the Army or 03 in the Marines.

>>33840509
People that signed open contract to get earlier start dates.

I did gym maintenance when I was out processing the Army and fucking loved it.

>No unit PT
>Didn't have to go to my unit at all
>Got an hour to work out
>Got an hour for lunch
>Get paid to re rack weights all day and look at women in spandex

What are some USAF jobs that give lucrative skill training for civilian careers?

>>33839416
that seems kinda gay, why does the investigator automatically believe the dude who says it happened

>>33840509
A lot of them are washouts from other AFSCs.

Also:
>be retard
>want to not live shit life working at McDongers
>get a 39 on ASVAB
>hand out towels and make sandwiches
>get paid the same as the dude engineering HSRP on Nexus 7ks, or managing a 700k+ object Active Directory domain, or operating a 17TB SQL database

Pretty cash if you think about it. You get paid middle-class wages to do minimum wage work. The bad news is that you're kinda stuck there, whereas people in my line of work can leave anytime they want and make good money doing IT work.
You can make hella money contracting with a security clearance.

>>33840377
In the very likely chance you end up in an S2 shop, you're not going to be doing your real "job" at all and you're basically just briefing people on OPSEC and shuffling security clearance application forms all day. If you end up in an ACE you'll probably be better off (I didn't know any that were in an ACE but knew a shit load in S2's)

>>33840710
Cyber Transport
Cyber System Ops
ATC
Fusion Analyst
Some maintenance jobs, where you can get certified to work on jets.
Finance

That's just off the top of my head, I'm sure there are plenty others that are good for their career fields. Just haven't looked into them.

>>33840711
It's probably something like friend of friend says you smoked once, then they ask you about it under polygraph, they see your heart rate spike as you say "I d-don't recall" and they bounce you

>>33840782
They don't give full scope polygraphs in the military unless you're doing some super high speed SMU shit. The jobs that need SCI access only take CI polys and they don't ask about drugs.

>>33840711
I don't know, it was just one story I read about, it may or may not be true. But I know investigators will go hardcore into your past for a TS and talk to people that you've never met before, and if they say anything that doesn't match with your story, they will pick it apart and question you about it. Plus some jobs require occasional polygraph tests and if you fail that, then you're fucked for sure

>>33837995
Homosexuality is a mental illness

>>33840782
>>33840835
Polygraphs are 100% full of shit
They
Don't
Work

But the public thinks they work
You ask a person a scary question (i.e. DID YOU BREAK THIS RULE) their heart will flutter and their skin will sweat and all that junk
Because every normal person will think "Oh fuck, maybe I did? Did I? Could they think I did?"

The way a polygraph test "works" is that they browbeat you with questions and then at the end go "We got an anomalous response here. It says you're lying. We KNOW you lied. So tell us you lied"

All you have to say is "Huh, that's funny. I was telling the truth".

Polygraphs don't work and the people who read their results know they don't work.

Even if you did fuck up and have to lie, deny deny deny deny. They really can't know the truth until you let them.

>>33838092
what part of the pipeline r u in

>>33840887
Yeah unless there's some rock solid proof that you lied (police record, picture, etc.) then they really cannot prove it

This is not to say that you should lie because having smoked pot once or twice isn't the end of the world for a TS

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I'm on goarmy website.. looks like there's quite a few jobs in demand dealing with artillery...

What do you guys think? Worth it?
Only thing better than guns is bigger guns, right?

>>33840725
ACE??
but from what you say, Ill have plenty of time for school n shit on the side?

>>33840954
13F (forward observor) always has really low cut off scores so it's easy to get promoted. They're also IMO the most bad ass artillery job.

>>33841051
Analysis and Control Element. I don't know much about it but that's where I've been told 35F's "do their job." An S2 shop is basically more administrative work and hardly deals with being an intelligence analyst unless you're deployed.

Your free time is more dependent on your unit. I've been in units that cut us loose once we got everything done for the day. I've also been in units that kept us confined in a room till 8 PM every day even if we finished 5 hours before. It's hard to juggle school work with the military if you don't know 100% what your day will be like.

I just done the deed and signed up to be an officer.
How do I not fuck this up?

>>33839416
what do you mean investigator, like they get on your Facebook and dm your buddy's about the good ol' dayz back in highschool...

So /k/ I go to MEPS next week.

I've been once before when I was trying to join the MuhReens. I passed with flying colors except for when I was supposed to swear in they weren't happy with my misdemeanor arrest and I wasn't allowed to join. It's not drug or violence related, basically trespassing.

Anyways I'm going for the Chair Force this time and want a job in communications/intelligence. With my ASVAB scores that will happen.

I just need a refresher on MEPS. From what I remember it was wake up really fucking early, eat breakfast, dress nicely and say yes sir, no sir only to the MEPS people.

Anything else I should know for MEPS?

>>33841185
You give them the names of like 3 people on the SF86

They interview them, ask them to give names of some other people who know you. They go talk to them and may repeat that to find more people who know you but you didn't put on the paper

>>33841133
You know your stuff dude.. thats good stuff for me to keep in mind.. i guess now all I have to worry about is the background check. got busted for pot back when I was 18..

>>33841150
>Don't do drugs
>Don't rape anyone
>Don't drink and drive
>Keep accountability of your inventory when you're an XO

You'll probably be a general some day if you follow these. You could probably also break all of these and still be a general. Just don't fuck up too bad till you're at least a Major.

>>33841206
>Anything else I should know for MEPS?
not really it's pretty straightforward, you've already done it before so you should know everything. drink lots of water at breakfast so you can piss on command

>>33841258
You are being a little silly

But I had to sign some things that said exactly that
I found it a little "modern" that under the "Don't harass" section there was even a thing about not making fun of people's mannerism
Literally don't mock anyone.
Ever.
For any reason. Unless they fuck up, I guess. There wasn't any clause about fuck ups. Unless they're habitual about it and it becomes a mannerism .

>>33841292
Okay cool. I can always piss on command so that shouldn't be an issue for me.

>>33841185
In my case they literally went to the references I listed, talked to them about me, and then tried to get names out of them.
I don't think they really followed up on the names, since my references gave good impressions, and the most of the names they got were college students, who are hard to get ahold of.

They just make a judgement on you as a person and your life. They saw me as a white kid, straight out of HS, from a middle class neighborhood, with nerdy friends. Low risk.

>>33841206
Jeez man has it been that long since you went?
>wake up really fucking early
Lol. IIRC you have to wake up at 4:30, pretty darn early but honestly not that bad.

>eat breakfast
Yeah man pig out on that hotel free breakfast as long as you're not close to weight.

>dress nicely
Casual in the fashion sense, so just like jeans and a button down shirt. Basically don't show up in sweats and a beater or some shit.

>say yes sir, no sir only to the MEPS people
Pretty much.

>>33841297
Leave it to the NCOs to mock and otherwise harass people who are out of line.They'll have a more personal relationship with their troops, and it will be more man-to-man than coming from the scary bars and leaves.
As an officer, you're supposed to be a higher, impartial authority, and mocking people can give the impression that you are targeting them, which can cause serious problems.

You shouldn't be mocking people just because of mannerisms... I believe that crosses the line to a personal attack.

>>33841399
>say yes sir, no sir only to the MEPS people

you'll get snapped at by some since they are almost all not officers

>>33841399
>Leave it to the NCOs to mock and otherwise harass people who are out of line.They'll have a more personal relationship with their troops, and it will be more man-to-man than coming from the scary bars and leaves.
>As an officer, you're supposed to be a higher, impartial authority

Is it really still like this?
It sounds so 19th century British

I'm just a fag like them (with a higher paygrade)
Should I try to have like this fucking distance and shit?

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Any Americans here?
I want to kill you.

>>33841399

Three years since I went last. Weight isn't an issue I'm 6'1" 180lbs. That's basically what I wore last time. I also had to wear boxer briefs too. Normally I wear boxers, so I guess I need to get some briefs?

>>33841422

IDK man, when I went I was told to say yes sir no sir to everyone. Nobody snapped at me. It just seemed to be a simple respect thing.

How hard is it to become an officer after being in for 4-6 years? I would like to fly one day

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honestly anyone who kills an american soldier is a hero.
USA is a terrorist state and it should be nuked into oblivion.

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So now that I've given up hope that my Dream Sheet will be anything more than a Cuckholdry Checklist,

Who's dick will I need to suck to get where I want to go for my second assignment?

Apparently you're eligable for overseas after 12 months?

>>33841543
what branch? Mustang is generally speaking the hardest way of becoming an officer. If some recruiter is feeding you the "people will respect you more if you're former enlisted" bullshit then just ignore them

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>>33841557
deadass b

>>33841432
It sucks, don't get me wrong, but depending on the type of unit/branch that you're with, there's a definite divide between Os and Es.
What I was trying to say is that you shouldn't be doing the front line discipline as an officer. It's like how you can be cool with the director of your department at work, but you shouldn't bypass your supervisor and go to him to get things done.

What branch / MOS are you?

>It sounds so 19th century British
>Should I try to have like this fucking distance and shit?

It's a relic from the old days, but it's survived well into the present due to the career implications of "fraternization". Training commands work hard to put the fear of officers into junior enlisted, and teach officers to fear the enlisted as walking pink-slips.

An older Army Officer's manual stated:
>"Enlisted men are stupid, but extremely cunning and sly, and bear considerable watching."

I guess basically once you get in, you'll feel out what I'm saying.
Just try to be as cool as possible with all your troops, and don't let the crusty SNCOs isolate or stop you.

>>33841450
>>33841557
If durka:
Enjoy your 7 year old wife and the expected 15 remaining years of your miserable existence.

If 1st world cuck:
Enjoy your protection afforded by America.

>>33841575
It's different for every branch.

>>33841657
>replying to bait

you're just encouraging them to post it more m8

What are the pros and cons of joining each branch of the military? I'm thinking of enlisting in the Army or the Air Force, but I want to know all sides of the argument.

>>33841595
I'm so unaffiliated with such processes that Mustang is foreign

>>33841730
>marines are succ

>army is probably the most general branch and you get to lock down a guaranteed job. best branch for a bonus too

>airforce has the best quality of life but it's mostly an office climate with office politics. also stricter requirements

don't know enough about navy

>>33841730
Army: Be bored most of the time and sometimes be shot at, or be bored and not be shot at .
Navy: Do officework in a shitty environment with the hope of doing officework in a regular environment.
AF: Go overseas to do officework.

>>33841762
enlisted > officer

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How gay is 19D?

how does office work sync in with actual combat shit.
for instance if I go airborne. special forces and I'm an intel analyst - what could I expect?

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>>33841730
>air force
best quality of life, comfort, tech jobs, SJW branch, wimpy
>navy
travel, adventure, stuck on a shitty boat
>army
one size fits all, pick your job, not as dog-headed as marines but still get some action
>marines
you want to kill people and get PTSD

>>33841730
Anybody generalizing the living conditions of the branch is dumb. Your MOS matters WAAAAAAY more than branch for living conditions.

A US Army Public Relations specialist in DC is going to have a higher standard of living than an Air Force fuel cell repairer.

Same deal with the "which branch is more operator?????". An Air Force EOD guy is going to actually go do way more operational missions than a Marine Corps supply specialist.

Oh fuck lads I got an official IST for boot camp tomorrow before I ship. I havent done crunches in a long ass time. I passed my crunches 2 weeks ago but will my score be affected a fuck ton if I havent done them in like a week or so?

>>33841804
The recruiter I'm talking to is USAF so practically non existent. I haven't asked him about that yet, I haven't even taken ASVAB or MEPS yet so I'm just brainstorming and collecting AFSCs before I do either.
If you're enlisted for a while in a MOS/AFSC you like, is there really much point to try for officer?

>>33842005
Probably not
I've gone two weeks without seeing that much of a muscle strength drop off.

You can do it bro

>>33841422
>you'll get snapped at by some since they are almost all not officers
Some places you just call others in a higher position than you "sir/ma'am." I guess it's just a culture thing.

>>33842048
Fuck man I hope so. I need to get out of this place. I NEED TO GET OUT

>>33842027
No, not really.
Being an officer comes with a decent amount of extra money, but a ton of extra BS.
As enlisted, I can just do my job and not stress about managerial BS.

Despite what people say, enlisted make decent money. An E-5 drawing BAH is taking home the same amount of money that someone with a $70k job is.
The average person makes something like $45k.

>>33841830
>"Anon what do you do again in the Army?"
>"W-we're basically infantry"

Do you want your entire military career to be summed up as "basically infantry"? Why not just......actually be infantry?

19D are getting some fat enlistment bonuses so.....

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>>33842332
I never understood what's so hard about telling people you're a scout. A first grader should have a general understanding of what scouts do.

But then I guess I'll just get called a boy scout and whatnot so.....
No matter what I'm going to get shit on

I got my Bachelor's about a year ago (I fell for the Criminal Justice meme) and have been striking out in the job search since.

What can I expect if try to join the military?

I was considering law enforcement, so I'd look to get into similar positions in the military. What branch would be best for this kind of work?

For sit ups, is it easier to sit your butt very close to your feet or further back?

>>33843426
neither

>>33842847
coast guard

>>33836921
I have the option to reclass into either 25B.
Just want to know if its a MOS still getting into. Orignially wanted 25D, but didn't score high enough. Should I just retake the asvab or go on for the 25B?
Other option is 68E. Despite scoring so low on the asvab I can't believe I still qualify for something with that description. What do they do? Mop up the blood in the surgery rooms?

>>33837972
Why didn't you listen?

>>33837848
Igore this guy's post. Cyber Security is a great mos and leads to guaranteed employment after you get of the army. Most guys are working as security guards or Wal-mart because their shitty MOS doesn't translate to the civilian world and the didn't learn shit when they served because their jobs were being done by contractors.

Anyone here a 68Q?
What's AIT like and would I have good job opportunities after graduation?
Im kind of on the fence because I knew a guy that had this MOS and he strangely couldnt get a pharmacy job and he's been in the reserves for like 8 yeas.

Does anyone here know about the CT rates for the Navy? I asked my recruiter but all she said was "computer stuff". I got a 92 on the PICAT so I'm qualified

Fucking hell. I have my OPAT tomorrow and i just caught a cold. Hope i won't be too sick tomorrow, guess i should still do it even if i'm sick. It's not that hard i think. I ship on the 15th so i have to get it taken care of.

Wanting to take the DLAB so the army will teach me Spanish and possibly Japanese, is it a tough test?

>>33844014

Cyber Surety is not Cyber Security.

>>33844657

Odds are if you pass the DLAB that the Army will teach you a middle Eastern language, or possibly Russian/Chinese.

Japanese or Spanish probably aren't going to happen.

>>33844657
They have so many hispanics in the armed forces that they don't need to train anyone in that language when they can just use people who have it as their first language. Like the other guy said you'll probably get thrown into Farsi or some other bullshit language.

>>33844670
>>33844678
Do I not get to pick?

is the canadian military worth joining?

>>33844709
Fuck no. You don't get a say in anything, you get told what, when and where you'll study. It's the armed forces, your desires are completely irrelevant to them.

>>33844716
That sucks, still might do it though. Free language classes would still be cool.

>>33844721
It's not a learn a new language for fun type of gig, it's a full time occupation. You have to be prepared for that before you decide to go that path. You're gonna be crunching words every damn day and spend all evenings studying. If you're lucky you get a language you actually enjoy but most likely not.

How many people that graduate from OCS gets AD? Is it a high percentage?

How often does people get one of their their top five picks in their dream sheet?

How hard is to get into POQC as an officer?

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>>33842556

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How can I win a Medal of Honor without jumping on a grenade? I want to use it to impress bitches and meet Trump

>>33845145
kys

Unban me from the discord plz

>>33845145
Be audie fucking murphy.

Does being a pharmacist in the Air force sound like a good idea?

>>33845462

Yes. If by pharmacist you mean with an MD, yes. Getting your med school paid for, starting with Captain base pay + BAH + Medical Specialist Bonus puts you right at or in six figures, much of which is tax free. If you're a medical practitioner then the time also counts as your residency. Your commitment is six years.

As a non-military practitioner you have a 3-5 year residency in which you won't make above 6k before your 185-250k salary kicks in. The extra couple of years spent in the military cutting your teeth before you leave to that salary is more than made up for by the investment of the difference in your net military pay times investment plus the interest on six figure med school loans.

I don't know how long pharmacists have to do residency, but it's fucking worth it.

>>33837856
You forgot to mention all the stuff you need to lie about.

>>33840103
>>33839019
>>33838743
>>33836952
Literally this is my exact problem right now too.
I'm talking with the navy special forces coordinator about joining the seals, but when i was like 14 my dad wanted me to get diagnosed with add so i could get meds. took like half a bottle and never picked up more.

>>33845585
I've been in a year now as CBRN, they haven't contacted me yet about anything. You know, you could always just not enlist and go into the police force or something.

>>33845609
Why the fuck would you do CBRN? Isn't that one of the most useless MOS there are? Do you actually get to do anything relating to your training other than tear gas people for the gas mask check?

>>33844709
>laughingsoldiers.jpeg

How bad is the CS gas chamber in BT?

>>33846347
If any single part of basic/boot is scary or worrying to you, you may want to consider a different career.

>>33846347

Depends: how quick are your reflexes?

>>33846729
They're pretty quick.

>>33846347
There's videos online about it. It looks bad but the kind of bad you'll laugh about after.

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>>33836921
I just found that helicopters can park on water

https://youtu.be/4sFG6ANsiX4

>>33846347
It sucks but it's kind of just something you deal with. You've got to recite information or answer questions to the Drill Sergeants to force you to inhale the gas. You'll be red eyed and itchy, maybe a little vomit if you're especially suspectable. DESU, it isn't as bad as doing a long ass ruck for the first time which makes your whole body hurt.

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Is Geospacial Intelligence (1N1X1) cool?

I feel like it could be either really fun and engaging or mind-numbingly boring.

>>33844014
>Cyber Security
>army

You're a bit off the mark. There's a reason the *Air Force* doesn't call it Security.

I'm in my first year of college right now and probably gonna drop out and enlist in the army and was wondering how the gi bill works since I still want to go to school after. I understand you need to be in active duty for 2 years but was also wondering if you need your high school transcript like you would if you were applying for school or are there programs in the army pertaining to that. Also does the major go along with your mos? These are probably stupid questions but it was something I was wondering.

I'm also considering 19D >>33842332
>>33842556 so if anyone with experience can tell me what to expect realistically that'd be great.

>>33847495
*does the major have to go along with your mos.

>>33847495
>you need to be in active duty for 2 years
Wrong, see the attached table.

>was also wondering if you need your high school transcript like you would if you were applying for school or are there programs in the army pertaining to that
College admittance is up to the school. The GI Bill just pays for it.

>Also does the major go along with your mos?
The GI Bill gives you 36 months of college. What you choose to study is totally up to you.

You use the GI Bill after you get out of the service, most branches have some form of tuition assistance while you're active.

>>33847495
The GI Bill just gives you money to go to school after you get out. It has nothing to do with what you do in the military.

>>33847530
>>33847540
cool thanks anons I appreciate it.

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Need a little guidance here /meg/, I need one more AFSC for my recruiter. I'm trying to pick things that seem halfway enjoyable, thought provoking, and give lucractive training for civ jobs.
So far I have-
>Space System Operations
>Intelligence Applications (Operations intelligence, not entirely sure about this one)
>Geospatial Intelligence
>Signals Intelligence Analyst
>Cryptolinguist
>Fusion Analyst
>Avionics Test Station & Components
>Cyber Systems Operations
>Cyber Transport Systems
Any tips or comments appreciated.

>>33836952
say nothing. lie lie lie. if they say "we will find out anon trust us, and you could go to jail for lying blah blah blah" its all bullshit. dont admit shit.

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Wow this lady sure is HOT.
She must be a great BANG, lol.

What can I do to have her job?

west coast or east coast

>>33848254
Wow, so edgy.

>>33848254
Do you think her death was instant or did the camera partially enter her face while she made silly noises for a few minutes?

>>33848311
Calm down lad, no need to be so serious all the time. Its not a good look.

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>>33848254
That one may be HOT but this one was SMOKIN', lol

>>33848405
>>33848417
>>33848430
Embarassing

>>33848417
Talk like a normal human. you sound like a fucking faggot using those words and phrases

>>33837995
Disgrace.

>>33845145
>Be athlete and top swimmer in high school
>Train your ass off for PAST for AF PJ
>Fight off hordes of invaders without relying on others as much as possible
>Operate with over 10 weapons on your person at once
>No cover. All man.
>Be Serious Sam

>>33841450
>>33841557
Feel free to come and try it, back to back world war champions, we fight volunteer wars just for the fuck of it. We fight wars we don't even care about.

>>33848430
>women in the military
I feel no sympathy. They all need to go.

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Why are Airmen so undisciplined?

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I want to enlist in army, but I'm 20 and can't drive.

How fucked am I?

>>33848946
Why would either of those things matter

>>33848870
They tend to have better jobs that they actually like and are also slightly smarter on average. The combination of good job that they enjoy or at least value the skill they are learning for post service life (airplane mechanics make good money) and being skilled means that they are a little more self motivated so the officers don't have to ride them as much and cut them A LITTLE more slack than the other branches as long as the work gets done.

Kind of like the civilian work world, if you treat your employees like valued team members they tend to perform better than if you scream at them to get shit done.

>>33848946
Very few jobs require a license.

>>33844231
CTN's do the cool shit, go for that

Objectively speaking, what's the best MOS to be in?

>>33849481
For what branch?

>>33849599
Any

>>33849481
it's not that simple, aspie

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>>33849481

Are grunts right when they say POGs dont deserve the ''thanx for ur sevix'' treatment?

>>33849640
Mother fucker. I'm a PJ, don't talk to me that way. What's your fucking rank?

What's up with all the baiters in these threads recently

>>33849668
They give waivers for autism now?

>>33849651
Lots of grunts don't deserve it. There are grunts who do an enlistment and never see combat. POGs deserve a thanks more than a grunt who never sees combat.

I wanna buy a G Shock watch, good idea or bad idea?

>>33848946
Unless you're going to be driving Humvees (which is a terrible idea) then you'll be fine.

You won't even have access to a car until you hit E-4 at the earliest.

>>33848430
O Captain! My Captain!

>>33849651
Honestly, I think everyone from the Army, Marines, Navy, or Coast Guard deserve to be thanked for their service. They voluntarily sign up knowing that them dying is a very real possibility, and it's because of their contributions that this country does not have a mandatory enlistment policy.

>>33848034
Self bump

How hard is it to get a job as a gunner in the Air Force?

>>33848430
What was the last thing that went through her head?

>>33849872

>omits the Airforce

I'm going to BCT this July for 74D. I wanted to be 12T when I enlisted but it was filled up. What are the chances of me switching MOS after BCT? Whats the process? plz no bully

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>>33849945
No idea what response you are looking for. Move along.

>>33849963
Zero until you have like 1 year left on your current contract

>>33849917
a .380

>>33850004
HAHAHAHAHA SO FUNNY AHAHAHAHA XDDDDDDDDD

>>33850030
>implying you didnt expect anyone to say that when you posted it


oh please, you knew exactly what you were doing

>>33839321

what about C R I M E S?

>>33850036
I get that you don't pick up on social cues, buddy.

But that was obvious bait.

>>33850046
Only faggots commit crimes. Luckily for you don't ask, don't tell is still in use.

>>33850059
so you be sayin'

>>33850059
but what if it was an accident

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>>33837995
I came to this thread just to post this.

God's work anon.

>>33850071
It wasn't an accident, Jamal. We'll be waiting.

>>33839321
>implying they wouldn't when their number 1 priority is to ship fucking bodies
lol

>>33850086
im white

>>33849945
Biggest threat to the Air Force is drinking their coffee before it gets cold.

>>33849832
good

Is there anything I can get into that allows me to fly any type of jet but also gives me a good looking resume after i retire?

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>>33850241
Yeah, its called being in a command role. Every successful Navy NFO, USMC 75-series or Air Force 11-series ends up in a command role. As a former commander looking for a civilian job, you will make 3 times as much as a normal military retiree.

You will not end up flying glorified schoolbuses like airliner pilots. You'll be the guy in charge of them. Or someone else. Lots of former aviation commanders end up in million dollar lobbyist roles.

>>33850046
If you have criminal convictions that shit will show up in the background search. Lying about that stuff could get you perma DQd

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>>33850343
>be USMC 75-series
>become a millionaire comedian instead

What did he mean by this?

I'm making my appointment now for MEPS. Going air force because I got a super high EST and desu I know my back would flare up if I did an intense physical job. I'm actually looking forward to being an AF egghead. What should I prepare for at MEPS?

>>33850343
what qualifications would you have to meet in order to be a navy nfo?

>>33850458
The first would be learning to google something. We want people who resourceful and motivated.

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>>33850490
true enough, sorry, im retardos

>>33850490
Kill yourself. I'm just trying to start conversation. I fucking hate you faggots so much. Instead of answering my questions, you have to give me snark. What if I wanted a different perspective on things? Holy shit, you guys are so irrational and pathetic. What if I die now because you didn't give me proper information on the military. Would you want to live with that? Please just give me an honest answer.

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>>33850516
>>33850530

>>33850458
https://www.navy.com/careers/aviation/naval-aviators#ft-work-environment

If you aren't in school already, give your closest NROTCs a call to help you decide which schools you will need to go to.
http://www.nrotc.navy.mil/colleges_nrotc_unitsXP3.html

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>>33850545
It apears as though an anon is trying to take on my persona, but which one of us is the real anon?

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>>33850530
>being this buttmad
If you're ever going to be in a flying community you need to develop a thicker skin.

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>>33850530

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>>33850530
fuck you nigga, you gave me a bad name infront of all my frends, i just wanted nfo status

>>33850530
Here's your (you)

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>>33848034
Could I get some feedback on this?
pic not entirely related

>>33845507
Pharmacists do not go to med school.
They go to pharmacy school.
Currently I don't believe that they are looking for many pharmacy officers due to the overwhelming glut of graduates in recent years.

>>33850374
Rob Riggle is the perfect example of everything that is wrong with the Marines. They should be a small group of elite fighters, like they claim. Instead that are a bloated second Army with a smaller budget that somehow convinces people to join up and deal with their bullshit because of their self inflated sense of importance.

>>33841059

Yeah, arty obvs is up there in the shit with the grunts, right?

>>33850724
It should be noted you can work on a base, serving military remembers and their families and not be a member of the military. My sister worked in a Target pharmacy for years as a Pharm D, I guess her salary is in the 160k range. The management changed and she is considering an offer from the base she is near, and I know it isn't a commissioned position because she is over 41. Not sure of the salary.

Give it to me straight /meg/ is POG vs Infantry just a meme?

>>33841399

>pig out unless you're close to weight

fuck that eat as much as you can. you'll loose 20kg at least.

>>33842556

11B has their own scouts at the battalion level the problem.

>>33850927
Don't pig out just to get weighed 2 hrs later and temp DQd because you didn't make weight.

After you pass that, stuff your face.

>>33850923
No, infantry members are super snobby towards POGs. They have a more dangerous job so I guess it's deserved. They are also learning no critical or marketable skills for civilian life so more power to them.

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>>33850923
POGs look like this

Why would you not mock this?

>>33850853
Mad jelly

>>33851111
Lol he could probably demolish you in PT

What mos can I be to earn the respect of black people

>>33839912
You need to be cunnilingual.

>>33851222
Welfare check dispenser
or commander that decides not to NJP them for whatever current incident.

>>33851222
I don't think there's an mos for slinging dope

>>33851318
HM

Also any minority E-5 ever

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>mfw someone tells me they're going nuke

lol please upvote!

>>33836921
Someone explain this picture. Do you need to be able to play soccer to join the military? I'm fucked if that's the case.

>>33851597
Yeah if you can't do a penalty kick right you'll get thrown out of basic

>>33840946
A school, which is considered harder than power since you don't know how you learn yet.

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>>33848254

>>33850393
Bump

>>33849993
Well motherfucker

>>33850923
Infantry dudes are retarded period. Nothing wrong with being a POG. While they're out there doing god knows what worthless trash, I have a nice cushy desk job working with nice civilians gaining medical experience I can actually use outside the military

>>33850923

It's a retard filter. Anyone who espouses it can be written off as fundamentally stupid.

>>33851706
So that's why there are so many Mexicans in military now.

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So I have a friend who's been trying to enlist for years now but hasn't had any luck. Can't remember what branch he originally picked but since then he's apparently tried the Marines, Navy, Air Force, and Army. Recently he's telling me he's looking at the Guard because of flight reasons (He has been doing some flight stuff on the side for years too, he really wants to be a pilot.)

I just don't get why he hasn't been serving yet, is this something that actually happens in regards to enlisting or is he not telling me something? Last I visited him he was in good health and has had doctor check-ups, etc.

>>33853276
There's probably something he's not telling you. At the very least the army would pick him up if everything checks out good.

Could be anything from cold feet to some complication in his background. Have you tried asking him?

Is it true some branches of the US military will send you to a mil "fat camp" if try you try to join overweight if you are otherwise qualified, whatever that might entail?

>>33850712
bump again

>>33853552
loadmaster is the confiest AF job

>>33853448
It's backwards from what you said.
The minimum standards are what they expect to be able to train to acceptable in boot camp.
If you can't pass PT at boot camp, you usually will stay longer in a section dedicated to PT.
If you're there too long, you get kicked out. Just ensure you can pass the PT test before you ship out.

>>33853276
He's not telling you something, the Army will take most anyone who doesn't have a felony and has a pulse.

>>33853552
They look pretty good man, what are you concerned about?

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>>33853601
I need one more AFSC, and I can't think of anything else. Is RPA Sensor Operator an AFSC you can enlist as? The USAF website has it but I don't see it on the job list my recruiter handed me.
>>33853594
I was told this was backbreaking work, how lucrative is the skill training?

>>33853732
If you just need some more jobs to pad it:
>3D0X4 - Programmer
Put this in.

>4A2X1 - Biomedical Equipment
I'd replace Crypto with this, linguists don't get paid a ton outside of the military

That's basically the killer lineup. As long as you don't go open, you're set to have a decent civilian career if you so choose. Also the work itself is pretty good with those jobs.

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How are branches decided after OCS? I really want infantry but I'm worried my GPA isn't competitive. I'm probably going to graduate from college with a 3.3, will my 300 PT score help?

>>33853996
My recruiter is making me pick 9 AFSCs and the 10th being open... I ain't signing shit until after ASVAB and MEPS and I know exactly what I'm going in as.
Speaking of MEPS, I told me recruiter that I had an appendectomy when I was 10, was this a mistake? He wants me to get medical records for it, will he waiver it? The scar is like the size of a penny on my belly button.

>>33841222
Is the sf86 something everybody has to do, or only for certain jobs?

>>33854110
300 pt score always helps

>>33855139
Only for security clearances

Also what that guy wrote is only really true for TS. If it's just secret they'll maybe talk to a few of your references but it's mostly just do you have a criminal record, financial problems etc

>>33852031
Jesus christ

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>>33844004
Bumping my question.
Does anyone here think going 25B reserves is worth it at all?

>>33838267
I went to the board and made the list at 3 years. My mos had a lot of people ahead of me and it was going to take a long time. I ets'd and remained a part of the e4 mafia.

>>33854110
PT score squad stix grades learn to assutl through objective lay down support by fire element and how to operate with a squad oh how to to do an operational order-source went through OCS

ps you will be a hold over at IBOLC and then after that go to ranger school

I see a lot of people on here talking about how it's bad to join the Marines because there aren't very good post service opportunities.

What if you just stay in cervix until you can retire?

>>33856138

You have it backwards. The Marines are the shittiest service when you're actually in.

Once you get out nobody cares what branch you were in, just what job you did and that you got out honorably.

Can I get a quick rundown on what dorm life is like in the AF?
I'm going to try and treat my enlistment like college where the weekdays are for work and studying.
No idea what weekend life would be like.
I'm a little older so I'd rather not be propositioned for booze runs.

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Any brit army fags in the thread? Thinking about joining. Any advice or tips? I don't know what to get into, looking at Armourer, Tank crewman, something with skills. Also looking at the RAF as a IT technician due to my other qualifications.

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>>33855921
What? None of that made sense or seemed applicable to my question.

>>33856682
Why does he have an EOTech mounted in front of his Elcan?

>>33856854
The Eotech is offset, it's for his grenade launcher.

Looks like its back to Afghanistan boys! Lets finish the fight this time.

>Plans for 3,000-5,000 troop increase.

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/BigStory12/idUSKBN1801W4

>>33856331
>Can I get a quick rundown on what dorm life is like in the AF?

Tech school was kind of like college. Definitely a sense of community, guys from my floor would hang out, weekends were pretty lit. Everyone was busy on weekdays.

In the real AF, it depends on your base. I've heard of some places having dorms that threw parties and shit every weekend, here it was more like just living in a really small apartment.

Should I be wary of this recruiter that's been calling me every day tyring to get me to sign a contract with some unit in my area?

I talked with them recently about possibly reclassing into another MOS but I on the fence. I didn't score high enough on the ASVAB first time I joined and im not going to make the same mistake twice signing up for some shitty job with no payoff once I get back from AIT. Wanted to go for 25B, but shit, the employment outlook for that MOS is pretty bad. You don't even graduate with any certs so how the fuck they expect you to compete with civilians in that particular sector?
Anyway...

What does /k/, asking for a little feedback.

>>33856331

I was a bit older myself when I enlisted and I found dorm life overall comfortable. Sure your room is a bit small but you have privacy and are supplied with everything you need. An annoying dorm-mate or rowdy dorm can make things a bit less enjoyable but you can live with it.

I am offbase now however and it is a substantially better experience so try and get out of the dorms early if you can.

If you have specific dorm questions I can field them

>>33857969

>weekends were pretty lit

Please tell me you use that word ironically.

>>33838092
>electricity
>tricky
FN detected.

New tread?

>>33856682
RAF don't treat you like shit from what I've heard from a few friends who served. Training isn't exactly easy but according to them it's a cakewalk compared to the army.

If you have a degree at-least think about OCS before you apply for the regulars.

>>33860445
I don't have a degree, just a extended diploma so I don't know if I can get into officer training. Thanks for the info on the RAF, that's also what I've heard. Living conditions are supposed to be better as well. My plan is to try and get a qualification while I'm in training or something like that.