Is the Mosin nagant PU sniper any different to a regular one

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>>33835985
They were finished on a separate production line with the more experienced and skilled workers.

Or they were just rifles chosen from those that shot exceptionally well during final factory inspection.

I've heard it both ways and more and cannot find anything concrete on the Soviet sniper rifle manufacturing process.

They were binned for being the most accurate of standard mosins and fitted with a scope and bent bolt. Other than that, they're identical.

My guess is that after they've been in use/in storage all these years, they're on par with any other Mosin. That and PU Nuggets are so god damn expensive.

>>33835985
>Or are they just as bad?
>Implying a Mosin is bad
Ok chief.

Does anyone else find sighting in a PU to be about as pleasant as slowly squeezing your balls in a table vise?

These fuckers are over 800 leafbux, yet I still want one so bad I can taste the cosmoline

>>33837412
They are marginal at best, other than a finn

>>33837412
some of us like to hit what we're shooting at

>>33839152
>>33839167
Yes yes, memes are hilarious.

>>33835985
>Or are they just as bad?
the gun it is good as the shooter's skills is.

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>>33837412

An infantry grade mosin is arguably the worst surplus bolt action available outside the weird Italian and French.

They were a good buy under $50-100, but those days are gone.

A sniper mosin is just a particularly accurate one taken off the line and had a PU or PEM scope affixed to it.

>>33837547
A store near where I used to live has (or had anyways) one. I almost want to drive up there and buy it

>>33835985

If you plan getting one be aware that there are A LOT of normal M-N m/91-30 (non-sniper) rifles later equipped with reproduction PU-scopes and scope mounts, which are now often being sold as original sniper rifles even if they are not as valuable or likely to be as well built as the real deal.

Hence if you do no want to overpay do your research first. The Sniper Rifle Forum in Gunboards is a good place for more info.

>>33837412
This meme that mosins can't hit the broadside of a barn and the only thing that will kill something is the shockwave needs to die

I could be lucky because my mosin is an ex-PU, but it shoots really fuckin will for a 200 dollar surplus gun. When did /k/ go from loving the mosin and everything about it to hating it?

There's 2 sides of the story, one is that the better workers assembled them, or that they were hand-selected from the factory test fires.

Either way, they had to have their receivers and the wood around them modified to house the scope mount, the bolt was slanted down to account for the scope, and the scope blocks usage of stripper clips. None of the internals were really changed as far as I know. They might be slightly more accurate and they obviously have the advantage with the scope.

>>33842283
>When did /k/ go from loving the mosin and everything about it to hating it?
Some poeple always have to hate on anything someone else likes. But really it's broad popularity as babbys first milsurp/big rifle tailed off pretty fast when people stopped being able to buy them for $100-150. Still nothing wrong with the rifle so long as you apply all the usual caveats about getting one with a decent bore and that isn't a frankengun, it's just something to buy if you really want a nugget now, not because it's good value.

>>33842349
>>33842283

Because they missed the cheap era of a fun.as.fuck to shoot gun

>>33842283
Yea, the nugget is fine if you don't go out of your way to buy a really fucked up one. Maybe it's a fudd thing? /k/ likes to pretend that they show up to the range with their .338 and punch paper within .5 moa at 500 yards all day when it suits them.

>>33840922
You don't know what you're talking about do you?

>>33842283
They went up in price and /k/ is poorfags central. What was once obtainable no longer is and thus they must slight the item that slighted their meager wallets.

>>33835985
They basically took the most accurate Mosins from the factory, bent the bolt, and added a scope.

>>33842554
>mosin
Vs
>Enfield
>mauser
>springfield (basically a mauser)
Oh man, what a difficult choice

>>33842604
Personal preference is not objective fact, nor is that even a cursory sample to compare the Mosin against. Which Mauser? There are at least 4 distinct action series. Which Enfield? A Long Lee or CLLE is objectively inferior in numerous ways.

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>>33835995
both are true
>>33835985
Tula had seperate workshop departments specifically cut out for making sniper rifles. Izhevsk had no special department, they chose the best barrels that would have to meet a standard.

OP, I own a legit sniper PU nugget, and to say the least, my PU nugget is leagues ahead of my regular (not even shot out or heavily used) nugget. I haven't done precision testing, though after sighting mine in for the first time, it would reliably hit plate-sized targets past +100 meters (note, the grouping itself was even smaller).

>>33837437
Start off by doing a very rough sighting of no more then 10 meters, just to get the scope based roughly centered, then work your way up to 100 m. It took me maybe 20 minutes and 20 rounds to get it sighted in to an accurate 100m. Maybe I'm just naturally good at this, or you are incompetent.

>>33842902
Thanks for the info! Most useful response I've gotten.
So whats your best group?

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>>33842938
Again, I haven't done elitist-tier precision groups, but I've managed to hit 2-3 inch groups just past 100 meters, mind you this is while standing or crouching, and with using only the sling as tensional support, I'm sure it would do even better if I bothered to bring a table and chair with me.

>>33842902
>>33842955
Surplus ammunition, I take it?

>>33842989
only the dirtiest chinese surplus

>>33835985
I own 3 mosins, one straight bolt, one PU, and grandpas sporterized westinghouse. The straight bolt sucks balls and I need to recrown it. The PU shoots 2" groups at 150m, and the Westinghouse has an aperture sight that makes about a 5" group at 100 but it's grandpas custom sight work that's kinda difficult to use.

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>>33842554
>sticky bolt
>starts to seize after 3 rounds
>terrible triggers
>"accurate"

Only to be expected from a child using a tripcode to say anything else to the contrary.

I actually have one. If you come to NuggetFest in October, I'll let you shoot it.

I enjoyed mine and wish I hadn't sold it, With spam ammo it was around 4 Moa, but with hand loads it shrank down to 1.6 moa. I enjoyed the weapon.

>>33843614
>Meme
>Meme
>Yeah, trigger isn't great. Can't argue that
>Meme

Let me know when you actually have some milsurp experience.

>>33837437
I know what you mean. Mine started stringing after 10 rounds.

>>33844630
Stop defending your shitty garbage rod. You'd have to either be full slaviboo or legally retarded to choose a Mosin over any of the other popular milsurp rifles. Hell, I'd even take my MAS 36 over any Mosin.

>>33844773
Smart choice, considering the Mas 36 is the best bolt action infantry rifle ever. But you're still there retarded one here, not me. I also never said anything about choosing a Mosin over other stuff, I said it was a fine rifle. And it is.

>>33844773
>I'd even take my MAS 36 over a Mosin

>implying MAS 36s aren't great

>>33844630
Thank you for using a trip so we can promptly filter you.

>>33844773
>I'd take my once dropped frog stick that I can't find ammo for over a slavboo rifle that works and has ammo available at Wal Mart.

wew lad

>>33837380
I've heard that due to the extensive usage they got in training and general field service the bores of WWII originals are actually worse on average than standard 91/30s

>>33844773
Here's a (you) I hope you do something nice with it

>>33844794
While I disagree with your admiration of the mas 36, I do agree with your views on the mosin

>>33845083
That's only because you don't own one my friend.

>>33835985
the women in the factory just put a scope on these gats

>people defending the mosin as some sort of god-tier gun, when in reality it's just a mediocre bolt gun that happened to be exceptionally cheap

>>33842604
Mosin is widely touted as the best rifle of the war among historians senpai

>>33845357
Maybe of the Russo-Japanese War.

>>33845357
Every rifle has its share of historians the say it's the best, what's your point

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>>33845253
I have handled one though. My main issues are as follows:
-too short for me (lop)
-non standard cartridge(inb4 reloading. While smart it s still an uncommon casing)
-accuracy isn't anything to write home about(nice sights though)

So while I'm sure it's a good rifle for you, it's just not my cup of tea. Not to sound like a dick, but it makes sense that I don't own one, since I'm not very enamoured with it.
The lebel is neat though

>>33845639
>too short for me (lop)
It is a short rifle. Can't argue with you there.
>Non standard cartridge
Welcome to milsurp. Though in fairness you aren't a collector like I am.
>Accuracy
Now there we have to disagree boss. Mine is (for a infantry rifle) very accurate, and other people here will concur. Hell, last milsurp thread some anon posted a near 1/2 MOA group with his. (.68 i think but whatever). They can be VERY accurate.

>>33845746
That is the thing about milsurp, yeah. But you still see 303, 30-06, and even 8mm still very common, but I digress.
>I still think I'm doing well for how long I've been collecting

And your last point is something I don't think we'll ever agree on. Anecdotal evidence on accuracy is always going to exist for just about every rifle out there. While I'm sure there's a few that can do 1/2" groups, there's probably 10:1 that do 2-3 for any given rifle barring a few models
>looking at you, Finland

>>33846261
>>33845746
Ho shit two tripfags have been summed to argue about the Mosin nagant. Top kek.

>>33846363
I'm just autistic and lonely, conversation is welcome

>>33846912
Ah, I know the feeling very well, /k/omrade.

>>33846912
And I'm just bored at work and my only interests are milsurp and early 2000s pornography.

>>33847151
I feel like you and I are very similar people, but with a difference in means