Lever action rifle

>>33823175
Older marlins are really nice, but it all depends on if this is a hunting rifle or plinker

Henry. Don't listen to the online butthurt about the loading tube.

>>33823361
Pretty much this.
In a .22, take a look at the Browning lever.

>>33823361
This. If you're looking for centerfire get an older JM stamped Marlin.

>>33823361
Mainly plinking. Never been hunting before.
>>33823910
.22 could be a good option for cost of ammo. Shooting my 9mm all the time adds up.

>>33823175
Avoid 1998-2015 Marlins at all costs.

You can find a used Winchester 94 in the realm of 250 and .30-30 is in every shop in America

>>33823391
Local gun store stocks Henry
Reviews on Buds and Cabellas are all great
Local gun store is $349 though, and Buds is $289
Asked local store if they'd come down to $300 and they didn't even acknowledge the offer

>>33823361
I got a 1953 JM Marlin .30-30. Yeah the bluing's worn, and there's a ding in the mag tube, and the stocks a little wobbly, but that is hands down my favorite gun.

>>33823391
But the loading tube is a shitty way to reload.

>>33826182
compared to?

>>33826225
a loading gate? if Henry added a loading gate i would buy it

>>33825206
Late 2015 to present are actually good after some oil and cycling for 10ish minutes

>>33827271
Did Marlin finally unfuck their QA?

>>33826281
And if marlin put out a working 357 I would buy that but honestly lever action market is all about frustration and compromise

Henry. Ignore the loading tube whiners. It's not a gun that's supposed to be reloaded quickly.

>>33825206
Own a early 2015 45-70 and it works flawlessly.

>>33827279
It got steadily better from 2013 and was mostly fixed by 14-15 just be ready to look up serials for dates if you want to avoid dealing with warrenty fixes. That said the 1895 45-70 is fun as fuck and handles hotloads well

My bro in law slays deer all day long with a model 336.

I asked why he prefers the Marlin to a Winchester. He indicated that the Winchester ejects shells straight up vs to the side on the Marlin. Makes it much easier to setup and work with a scope.

>>33825928
After transfer and shipping you'll be paying about the same. Margins on guns are pretty low so either see it as instant shipping and free transfer or go to a kitchen FFL.

>>33827296
>It's not a gun that's supposed to be reloaded quickly.

Henryfags in full damage control mode.

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>thinking about an 1873 in .44-40, but .357 is half the cost
>and .38 special is a third the cost

>>33828264
i If you need more than 5 rounds to put down any animal (other than an armed basketball american) , no amount of ammo will help you.
now if you simply prefer loading gates, that's perfectly understandable.

>>33828285
I want one in .45 colt so badly

Henry a shit, front loading btfo.
Tactically reloading a henry, top kek

>>33828490
>willingly choosing an inferior system

>>33828629
Thought about it, but .45 LC is also more expensive than .357, and isn't period correct.

>>33828182
I work in an LGS. Before Winchester dropped the 94, I put scopes on them on a regular basis. Lots of screws in that mount, pain in the butt to put on.
After the 94 went out of production, I haven't put one of them on since.
Maybe people didn't want to mess up the collectability.

>>33828182
Winchester has had angled ejection on every Model 94 made since 1982.

>>33828682
>inferior system

Included on a superior firearm.

>>33827287
Get a chiappa or uberti

Considering one of those henry 22s. How are they?

>>33829109
There's not all that much difference between a lot of the .22 leverguns on the market. I think Winchester and Uberti make them too, along with others.

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How much ballistic difference is there between 16/20/24 inch barrels in .44 mag?

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>>33830317
minimal

>>33829109
Me too. Watched some reviews on YouTube and all seem good. As people have hinted, the loading is controversial but that's all.

>>33825206

What about 2015-Present Marlins? I want an 1894 in .44 Magnum badly.

>>33830512
>As people have hinted, the loading is controversial but that's all.

Irrelevant on a .22, as no one sells them with loading gates.

>>33829109
They rock. They're the best price you'll find for a .22 levergun. Reciever is some weird pot metal, but it's a .22 and doesn't honestly matter that much. Henry backs all their firearms with a great warranty so if anything happens to it, you're in good hands.

>>33823175
Here's a rundown of what I own and have owned:

>1950-something Winchester 1894 in .30-30
the most A E S T H E T I C of all leverguns. Action is a little wonky, though, and it's not as smooth as the rest. Ejection is straight back. Gun was decently accurate and those 94s are probably the fastest levergun you can get. I eventually traded it for an OPAP, but not to the fault of the gun. I was just on a trading kick at the time

>Henry .22

I bought a Henry .22 on layway at Cabela's. I had a little fun with it, but I have a love/hate with .22LR. It's cheap to shoot, but it gets kinda boring for me after a bit. The Henry .22 was a great little shooter though, and Henrys are renowned for their super smooth actions.

>Henry .44 mag
A lot of people hate the Henry loading tube, and I can understand where a lot of people get hung up. If you're doing cowboy action shooting or hog hunting, or just something that would warrant being able to top off your magazine quickly, Henrys aren't ideal. The truth is, tube loading and unloading is actually faster once you get it down, but you can't top off rounds. That being said, the .44 was fun and accurate, but expensive to shoot. Action was pure Henry, solid and super smooth. Ended up trading for a...

>Henry .45-70
Don't underestimate this gun. It WILL beat the shit out of you if you don't shoot it often and get yourself used to the recoil. I couldn't shoot more than 15 or so rounds before I couldn't control my flinch anymore. I honestly don't think that the tube/gate debate really applies to a .45-70...honestly, if you're in a situation where you need to keep reloading that giant round, you're pretty much fucked anyways. (PT 1)

>>33828636
>Tactically reloading a henry, top kek
Who the fuck uses leverguns "tactically"?

>>33830705
A levergun would be a great choice for home defense if you are unfortunate enough to live somewhere with heavy restrictions on auto-loaders.

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>>33830665
>1950-something Winchester 1894 in .30-30
>the most A E S T H E T I C of all leverguns
As the owner of a 1950 94, I agree

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>>33830665
>the most A E S T H E T I C of all leverguns
>implying

>>33823175
>>33830665
I ended up selling the .45-70 and .22 to pay for some car stuff. Kind of a bummer, but life does that sometimes.

I picked up a 1968 Marlin 336 RC in .30-30 on a trade, and it's going to be something that stays in my safe. It's a bit beat up on the outside but the bore is immaculate and the action is damn near Henry-tier. It's a good gun.

I also recently picked up a

>Henry .357
which is gonna be another permanent resident in the safe. It's probably the most fun gun I own. .357 is already impressive out of a revolver barrel, and it gets a huge boost down a 20" rifle barrel. There's minimal recoil even with stout loads. .38 special feels like a .22.

Obviously I've had a ton of Henrys, that's because they're the easiest to find. I also don't mind the loading tube since I mostly plink anyways.

Good brands:
Henry (if you can accept the loading tube)
With Marlin and Winchester, the rule of thumb is the older the better. New winchesters are super expensive and Marlin has gotten their stuff back on track...anything post-2015 or so is good to go. Rossi guns are pretty rough out of the factory but smooth up after some breaking in. I can't speak for Chiappa or Uberti because I've never shot one, but they've got good reviews online.

As far as calibers go, .22LR is always a good beginner choice. It's cheap but can get boring after a bit. .357 mag/.38 special is fun to shoot and cheap to reload. .44 mag hits a bit harder and is also fun to shoot, but not quite as easy on the wallet. .30-30 is always available and kicks just a little bit harder than an AK. .45-70 is, to me at least, fucking awesome in concept but not very fun to shoot in real life. It's definitely not a plinking round. I wouldn't call .30-30 a plinking round either, not because it hurts or anything but because it ain't the cheapest round in the world unless you do a lot of reloading.

>>33830738
>A levergun would be a great choice for home defense if you are unfortunate enough to live somewhere with heavy restrictions on auto-loaders.
Okay, but a pistol-caliber Henry holds 7-10 rounds, depending on the caliber of the rifle. Nearly all self-defense encounters involve 2-3 rounds fired. It's extremely unlikely that three times that number of rounds won't be enough for you to deal with Tyrone and Jamal.

>>33830803
>Okay, but a pistol-caliber Henry holds 7-10 rounds, depending on the caliber of the rifle. Nearly all self-defense encounters involve 2-3 rounds fired. It's extremely unlikely that three times that number of rounds won't be enough for you to deal with Tyrone and Jamal.

let's just sit here so everyone can see what a retard you are.

This one's going to be my lever raifu someday.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAXFAPYHupg

>>33830765
It's those clean lines, man. They just do it for me.

>>33830773
I'm not as big a fan of the curved pistol grip look. But that case-hardened finish makes my peepee super hard

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What does /k/ think of my ranch hand?

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>>33830831
>let's just sit here so everyone can see what a retard you are.
If you had an argument, you would have made it.

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>>33830803
>implying that 7-10 rounds of hot-loaded .44 mag or .357 mag or .45 colt wouldn't be more than enough for the job

>>33830842
I think you buy your milk in bags.

>>33830870
Yeah, pretty much. A lot of people seem to think that large magazine capacity is an acceptable substitute for being able to hit the broad side of a barn.

>>33830871
Just up north

>>33823175
Can we talk about how good Hell on Wheels was?

>>33830928
don't get me wrong, I'd rather have tons of rounds and not need them than need them and not have them. Still, there's something to be said for basic marksmanship. A magnum cartridge out of a rifle barrel will absolutely fuck your day up.

>>33830791
ty for thorough response

>>33831088
Yes. That's why I used that pic.

What benefits does 45-70 have over 44 mag? Also, how reliable are Henry's and how reliable are new production 1895 Cowboys? I already have a rifle and handguns for Jamal, now I want something for spoops and/or Jamal wearing kevlar.

>>33831751
>What benefits does 45-70 have over 44 mag?
Way more powerful.

>Also, how reliable are Henry's
Very.

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>>33831751
>What benefits does 45-70 have over 44 mag?

>>33831762
Can you quantify that for me? As in is it capable of killing something like Elk or Brown Bear or worth having half the round capacity of a 44 mag? As for the Henry, how easy is it to break or damage the loading tube? And how hot of loads can the chamber handle?
>>33831764
Yes I realize it's more powerful but I'm looking for something determining how much so. If I shoot something with one or the other I want to know it's going down or at least getting knocked on its ass.

>>33831751
>What benefits does .45-70 have over .44 mag?

.44 mag is a Jeep Cherokee.

.45-70 is an 18-wheeler

.44 mag can hit pretty hard. .45-70 can kill anything that walks on this planet.

>>33831793
the Henry loading tube is pretty well protected, it's hard to break it and if you do they'll fix it for you. The chamber can handle anything a modern production Marlin 1895 can. There are some loads I'd only throw in a Ruger No.1, but for the most part Henrys and Marlins can handle whatever you throw in it.

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>>33828285
>>33828629
Mine is in.45 colt, I have no regrets

>>33831088
I dropped it after season 2.

Does it get any better?

>>33831793
>Can you quantify that for me? As in is it capable of killing something like Elk or Brown Bear
Yup. As in literally the most powerful round in reasonably common use (note to autists: I said "common", which .458 SOCOM and .50 Beowulf are not).

>>33831841
If you didn't like the first 40% of something, chances are you won't be stunned by the rest.

>>33831793
>As for the Henry, how easy is it to break or damage the loading tube?

Relatively easy, given the thin wall of the inner tube and the need to extract it almost completely from the rifle.

>>33823175
Winchester 1873, gun that won the best baby

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>>33831088
>>33831366
While it was one of absolute favorite shows ever, it bothered me that the first season was set in 1865 and everyone had model 1866 Winchesters. Unless I'm missing something and the model 1866 was actually released in 1865.

>>33831817
Is that hyperbole or can you back that up? I've been trying to find videos of people hunting Brown Bear with 45 70 and haven't seen anything conclusive.

>>33831830
Hm, good stuff all around then, thanks.

>>33831849
Seems to be the common opinion.

Thanks anons for pitching in. A steel Henry might end up being my next buy.

>>33831862
>Relatively easy, given the thin wall of the inner tube and the need to extract it almost completely from the rifle.
Do you actually own one, or are you basing this on bending the loading tube of your Marlin 60 when you were a teenager?

>>33831849
>As in literally the most powerful round in reasonably common use

wat

just off the top of my head, .300 Win mag is noticeably more powerful than even hot .45-70 loads

>>33831873
>Thanks anons for pitching in. A steel Henry might end up being my next buy.
I really want the all-weather. I love the silver and black look.

>>33831870
they played pretty fast and loose with weapon accuracy if IMFDB is to be believed

>>33831884
Eh, I like the idea of an all-weather but I don't want something that reflective. I suppose I could just cover over it but I'll see when I actually get to the point where I'm about to buy something.

>>33831870
I was fascinated by all the guns in the show so I googled to find out more about them. All people do it bitch about them being chronologically off by a year.

FWIW they also mention his pistol is in the 'wrong' caliber because the prop guy didn't research thoroughly for the pilot episode.

Turns out the pilot turned into a series and they decided to go along with the errors since they already started with them.

Today I just started watching the series for a 2nd time.

>>33831873
typical .44 mag loads are around 240 grains and 1400 FPS. Buffalo bore makes one that's 340 grains and 1400 FPS.

That's baby load, super light .45-70 territory. The typical .45-70 load is 405 grains at 1400 FPS, but that's also using fairly light factory loads. .45-70 is really meant to be reloaded and fine-tuned. You can get some crazy numbers out of it if you're willing to get your shoulder bruised.

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>>33831921
His griswold that he so proudly touts is pretty obviously not a griswold if you look at the barrel. I've watched the series twice as well, I love the hell out of the show even if some of the guns are wrong.

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>>33831958

>>33829028
Toggle switch action does not handle hotloads well and price and too nice for some activities. Like I said frustration and compromise as there is not a sweet spot good enough for all factors as there are with other firearm categories. Some of the Winchesters are all around great but can start in the 2k range so budget accordingly.

>>33830928
And in some states 10 is all you can legally get anyway so better get good with stress fire

>>33833057
You could also look for older model 92s.

>>33833210
Believe me I do but they are gold in NY and almost double the price when you can actually find them. Sucks when your state effectively cuts online ordering for guns ammo and even some accessories

>>33833267
Yikes. Better learn to love the loading tube, then. You probably won't find anything else in a decent price range that's actually available

>>33833810
Yeah figuring on henry for the 357 not sure on the 44mag bit that is farther down the acquisition list and if it is as good as the 45-70 in marlin I have a second option at least

>>33831933
I'd be interested in that but do you have any recommendations on where to learn how to handload them?

>>33825206
Wrong.

Avoid Marlins early years of Remington takeover. It was solid up until then. Mine is 2006 and is still the same quality as my older marlins.

>>33823391

God I want a Henry in .44 magnum

>>33834630
Well sometimes wrong your one was a spot on eyeball job with the state the machines were in by then. Lot of skilled workers but the equipment was falling apart by the 2000's

>>33833877
I have a Henry .357 and I'm definitely glad I do. It's a great shooter and cheap to reload for.

>>33834663
They're pretty awesome. Way more accurate than I thought they'd be

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Buy this
If you're into milsurp, a levernugget

>>33835297
Henry does seem the best all around choice for 357. I am curious how the newer marlin 44mag is doing

>>33835481
a lot of the customer reviews seem to be positive for the new Marlins, with a couple of lemons here or there. It seems like Marlin does decent warranty work, though, so if you've got a problem they should fix it up.

>>33825992
I inherited my Grandpa's 1950 G-serial 336SC in .35 rem, still in fantastic shape despite sitting under a bed in a crappy bag uncleaned for 20 years in Wisconsin.

>>33830540
For a bit of a history lesson:
Marlin had been making their guns on the same equipment and methods for 100+ years when bought by Remington, and it showed. The machinery was in an insanely bad state, sunken into the floors and dams welded around them to contain lubricant leaks. There was no standard pattern, blueprint, or measures, and everything was built by experience and hand-fitting. Which produced great rifles that were a pain in the ass to fix.

Remington, in moving the equipment to their new super factory, tried to keep doing things the same way, but it was impossible, and quality took a nosedive.

Eventually they decided to start from scratch, taking a prime example model as a base to build them with modern techniques and standardized measures.