G3

It uses the same ammo as snipers. A very long range rifle. Kicks like a mule.

My opinion comes entirely from using it in videogames.

>>33821635
It was a great sniper rifle in Rainbow Six Vegas 2.... Even though it's an assault rifle technically.

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>>33821635
>Never seen this talked about here

>>33821635

The HK G3A3 was the service rifle here in Norway for something like 40 year. It's a solid, simple, no-frills weapon with several options when some customization is allowed. The only thing I personally missed was a little adjustability of the stock length.

>>33821635
I own a clone of one. Its nice, accurate and reliable. Even my wife, who is 62 inches can shoot it pretty easily. My biggest complaint is that with the bipod its heavy, and I don't really get to shoot it a whole lot because the best range in my area only goes out to 50 yards.
>>33821925
Fuckoff.

>>33821945

Yeah. The bare rifle has the 'cup' HK iron sights which are a bit limiting on 200 meters. It's a 7.62x51 weapon though so it is more than lethal at that distance, and police snipers have been known to use this rifle with a good scope. At least back in the day. Now our service rifle is a HK 416, with standard optics that blows the old bare-bones G3A3 out of the water and all sorts of adjustment options inbuilt.

>>33821635

Which country are you serving in?

Fingerfucked a century built one while buying ammo. Nice gun, felt good in my hands but I'd rather shell out for a different company.

Popular rifle but too long and heavy, like all battle rifles.

>>33822275

Say what mate - your G3A3 has a bipod? As standard?

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It's sexy. Kinda wish our government had just removed the full auto and sold them to former conscripts and military personnel

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>>33821635

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>>33822351

Wow. I could barely recognize the old girl. Ours was more like a plank.

>>33822447
Yeah, the F2 had a more modern look, but full auto 7.62×51 is sexy however it looks

>>33821635
Never heard of PTR?

>>33821925
Holy shit kill yourself

>>33823291
PTR is amazing. I hope they never stop making rifles because they are so good, even for the price.

>>33822351
>tfw no G3A4 clone
Do PTR sell receivers that can fit retractable stocks?

>>33823330
They got real lucky. The Portuguese were selling their old HK licensed tooling and they got the bargain end of the deal. I wish some slav or African country can do the same so a lucky company like PTR can start producing quality AK receivers with the proper tooling at a low price. Hell, even CNCing the stamps are also a possibility, I've seen the folks at Gun Labs do it for their Stg 44 and AR18 projects

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>>33822351
In Turkey conscripts use g3's too but we use hk33's for commando units and 416's for special forces

>>33823357
Yea they did get really lucky. Its honestly amazing that they are doing what they are doing though, the G3 is such a good rifle and they are making them exactly how they should be. All it would take is an adventurous investor to do that AK idea you are talking about, I am sure theres old ass factories full of AK tooling and machinery.

>>33823335
Seriously? Fucking seriously? Yes, all of them can. You could stick a retractable on a PSG1.

It's what happens when you design your rifle properly.

>>33823365
I heard they were starting to phase them out for the new rifles. Is there a reason why the military hasn't transitioned to 5.56 for the rest of the conscripts? Also will the HK tooling be up for sale sometime in the future like the Portuguese did?

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>>33823393
Yeah we have a new rifle called mpt-76.
The reason we didn't transitioned to 5.56 is we usually have combat happening on mountanious areas so the 7.62 performs better in bad weather or at really high altitude
And probably tooling will be used for newer projects

>>33823418

Dude, just for the record. Any 'roach' who hangs around on /k/ is an okay turk to me. Helps me remember why Turkey is more than kurd rebels and crazy dictators.

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>>33823696
Thanks its the only good thing i heard in /k/ about Turkish people

>>33822351
Gotta love the AG3F2. Kinda wish I was issued this instead of a 416 as my reservist rifle. So much fun to shoot :)

>>33823365
Nice gun, sand nigger

I'm fixin to get me a ptr91 soon.

>>33823696
Same over here. The bantzs between Armos and Turks here are top knotch.

>>33822306
Debtistan.
I found it a bit heavy but it's powerful.
Doesn't kick like my baikal dbarrel but it's not insignificant.
I didn't like the sights that much but i got a good grouping in the range. Only 100 m tho...
Seriously though never seen anyone talking g3 here.
I also found it to be a very simple weapon. I expected a german built thing to be more complicated.

>>33823944
It was made for mass production not for a special purpose

>>33822311
I own the C308 most of the parts are from PTR and HK. The barrel is even PTR. All they did was weld that picatini and install their own muzzle device. 308 semi auto for 650? Yeah good luck finding something like it in that price range. Mags are about 6 bucks too. Mine runs just fine. Its just a pain to reload.

>>33823995
I know and I liked it. Didn't expect to, as it's not as popular as other rifles.
SFs still get the M4/16s.
I also got to clean and maintain some HK11s but sadly no shooting with them for me...

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>>33823944
It's super innovative for the time period.
Germans wanted the FAL
UN/Belgians wouldn't give it to them
HK Builds CETME for the Spanish, and gets some bad ideas out of the way.
Ends up with a mechanism so simple, it can be used for every round from .45 ACP to .50BMG with simple parts size adjustment

It worked out so well, most refinements came late in the game, like the BHO for the G41.

>>33824119
I am thinking about getting one of my own for the range after all this is done.

>>33823944

It's an old weapon by now. It was competing with designs like AK47, FAL and M16 and one of its biggest selling point to armies was that it was a less aligned to the superpowers design than m16 or AK. Personally I loved the simplicity; you take it apart - except for the trigger group - entirely without tool and assembly and disassembly go very speedily. Which is good, because you need to keep it clean and dry - beyond the stock and grip, surfaces are just painted steel and take only limited neglect and abuse before clogging and rust can become an issue.

>>33824154

Argh, memory is playing tricks with me. There is bluing of course. But with the decades anything gets worn down.

Recoil is stupid, but you can get used to it.
Gets dirty really fast and is bitch to clean(although the same could be said for most H&K weapons)
Walking with G3 all day will kill your wrists and it's pretty long and kinda uncomfortable to aim with in standing position.

>>33824212
I agree. You get hit twice with that delayed roller recoil. I only shoot a few mags out of mine before I just switch back to one of my AR15s.

>>33821946
Well, PTR clones are more common in the states I believe.

ITT:

butthurt pussies or women.

The g3 is a fine weapon that fires a full-sized round. Women may have slight trouble cocking the weapon or find the recoil unpleasant.

This is objectively wrong.
It's a rifle made for soldiers, not soft faggots.

>>33821635
Worked with the turks about a year ago and they were all armed up with the g3a3. They didn't even know how to use it, I actually showed a really young turk how to use it cause I have a ptr clone back home.

>>33824755
That's kinda funny coming from a soft faggot

Say, Turkey is making a license copy of the G3 aren't they? Has anyone had a chance to compare it with the HK one?

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>>33821635
What about a G3 that shoots 7.62, but not the 7.62 you think?

>>33825315
sounds kind of gay
might as well get an AK

>>33825452
But AKs blow and aren't as sexy.

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I just picked up a C93 yesterday, seems like a solid rifle but not particularly good at anything and worse than an AR in almost every way.

>>33823722
I have a friend who is Turkish. Y'all aren't too bad. What's the percentage of turks that are secular vs. Muslim in your opinion?

>>33823944
What was basic like? I have to serve to get citizenship there.

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>>33825631
Latest referandum was 51 erdoğan supporters vs 49 percent democracy supporters

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>>33821635
I love my PTR OP. It's my favorite gun.

>>33821635
HK slap is cool, but other than that there are same-age or older rifles that are better in the same caliber.
>quite heavy for what it is
>despite its weight it has high recoil compared to other 7.62x51 battle rifles
>can't really into optics (the HK claw mount fucking sucks)
>rollers need to be rebuilt or re tuned frequently (every couple thousand rounds)
>pretty terrible accuracy by battle rifle standards, outclassed across the board (even by the m14)
Now relating specifically to the -A3,
>collapsible stock is only slightly more comfortable than an underfolder AK stock and totally shreks your cheek under sustained rapid/automatic fire, is flimsy/easy to break, and provides no repeatable cheek weld when used with optics
It also fucks with the balance of the rifle.

I DO like the HK drum sights, although from what I'm hearing a lot of the militaries that adopted them did so with only 1 of the 4-6 apertures to make them soldier-resistant.

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>>33825631

>>33827657

Well, what? It goes to show that a) Turks are the best of that lot and b) those statistics could be from 2017 or 1967 as far as the info go. If you can find a list of support for the death penalty for western countries and the the US, it would be interesting. For my part I am all for. That does not make me a muslim, does it.

>>33827657

Oh, and incidentally this is a statistic made by the Pew Research Center. Which is heavily funded by the Evangelical Protestant "John Templeton Foundation". Sure they would take a neutral view on islamic issues and their statistics are completely trustworthy. If you are up for some real fun, go look up their views on creationism. But it is nice to be tax-exempt!

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>>33821635
g3's are trash

>>33825659
Piece of cake man. Unless you go SF.

>>33821925
>kicks like a mule

How about no. kys

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>>33828453
>mad as fuck his gun cant eat Tula like PTR
>implying vortex is bad

top zizzlezozzle

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>>33827638
>>rollers need to be rebuilt or re tuned frequently (every couple thousand rounds)

>>33827638
>heavy
no heavier than any other rifle in its class
>high recoil
top lel
>cant into optics
no u. Picatinny also exists
>rollers need to be rebuilt
rarely. Its an easy swap anyway.
>pretty terrible accuracy
Huh, that must be why I can nail anything I see standing up with irons. Let me guess, FAL owner booty blasted over his front sight post and rear sight post being on two different components?

>>33824078
Look for an aftermarket port buffer if you don't want mangled brass

>>33824824
They're the same shit. HK tooling is licensed and its done right as is, just like the portuguese and the baltic states have done

>>33825874
What's the shotgun used for?

>>33827638
Sounds to me like a conscript got a beat to shit, hands me down rifle. Say are you from Estonia?

>>33823365
I thought Turkey was taken over by ISIS.

>>33821945

I believe that was the PSG1 or the G3/SG1?

>>33832207

Never happened. But my impression was that there was an understanding between ISIS and possibly elements of the secret services for a while, since they had two common goals - hunting kurd rebels and oil trading. ISIS oil trucks seemed to get through the border north, while it was literally lethal to be trying to join syrian kurds traveling through Turkey. That seem to have ended, the oil traffic anyway - after the Russians bombed the oil convoys to shreds. A sign of this is that now ISIS also bombs in Turkey.

I am not going to hold Average Joe Turkoman responsible for any of that shit though.

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>>33827638
>quite heavy for what it is
All of the standard versions of the big three are within aabout a pound of each other.
>despite its weight it has high recoil compared to other 7.62x51 battle rifles
Not particularly. The recoil impulse feels kind of odd compared to other guns but I wouldn't say it's noticeably heavier even after shooting a PTR, FAL, and M1a back to back.
>can't really into optics (the HK claw mount fucking sucks)
It's not ideal but it was actually a hell of a lot better than the optic mounting options for the FAL or M14 at the time. Now they can have picatinny rails welded on top which is still a better option than what the M1a requires.
>rollers need to be rebuilt or re tuned frequently (every couple thousand rounds)
It's going to take more than a couple thousand rounds unless there's something wrong with the rollers. There are people on hkpro with upwards of 10k rounds and no issue. Even if you do need to replace them, it's a cheap and easy fix.
>pretty terrible accuracy by battle rifle standards, outclassed across the board (even by the m14)
This one is just plain wrong. G3s were surprisingly accurate for battle rifles due to being free floated by design. It's certainly better than an FAL and on par with a stock M14 at worst. Hell, G3SG/1s were basically handpicked G3s off the assembly line with a better trigger.
>collapsible stock
The collapsible stock is definitely not ideal but is certainly not flimsy/easy to break. I won't really argue with your other points on that though.

>with only 1 of the 4-6 apertures to make them soldier-resistant
Go ahead and provide me a source on that one because I've never heard that and have never seen any pictures from multiple countries that show this. Considering the rest of your post, I'm just going to assume you're still talking out your ass.

Assuming I know how to weld, does anyone know if it's possible to replace the rear sight on a c308 with an hk style drum sight?

>>33828453
Go away goat fucker

>>33832109
>no heavier than any other rifle in its class
G3a3 is 4.1kg/9.04lbs unloaded/no mag, the A4 is 4.7kg/10lbs. Comparatively you have the M14 at 9.2lbs unloaded/no mag (full wood stock), the FAL 50.61 (20" barrel, folding full stock) at 3.9kg/8.4lbs unloaded/no mag or the 50.64 at 7.8lbs. They're close, but it IS heavy, especially the A4 version with the full stock.

I've shot the M14 (SA M1A), FAL, HK91 (an actual HK one), HK417, SCAR17s, and several AR10's. The HK91 had the most unpleasant recoil and second-most muzzle climb, falling only behind the M14 in muzzle climb.

>picatinny also exists
Assuming you get a PTR or C308 with the rail welded on straight and level, sure. But that's not a guarantee, and the actual-HK G3 (any variant) simply doesn't have it as an option, and this argument is about the HK brand HK G3A3 as made by HK.

>rarely. Its an easy swap anyway
If you consider every 3000-4000 rounds "rarely" you don't shoot very much. And while it CAN be done by a private owner, with tools, it's not something that can be done at the user level in a military.
>hurr I can hit things offhand with irons!
At what distance? What's your metric for accuracy? Because benched and bagged with match ammo (FGMM 168gr or 175gr) it's a 3 MOA rifle. Compared to the 2 MOA of a an issued FAL or 1.75 MOA of an issued M14 or <1 MOA of the HK417/SCAR17/M110. Some of the PTR builds have proven to be *slightly* more accurate (2.25-2.5 MOA) but again, this argument is about the HK brand HK G3A3 as issued to militaries.
>ad hominem
Go fuck yourself.

>>33833852
Agreed, they're fairly close on weight, but that doesn't change the fact the G3 is the heaviest of the lot when comparing similar layouts.

Yes, the claw mount was decent when it first came out. But it's still in use, 40+ years after Picatinny rails came out, which are better in literally every single way, including cost of production.

HK calls for the full replacement of the rollers every 5000 rounds in their armorer's course and to "re-tune" them every 3000 rounds. The ones we have in inventory need it more frequently than that because the receivers are starting to wear out, we're lucky to get 2000 rounds between parts breakage and they need to be re-tuned every time they're shot. Most of the receivers have fewer than 50,000 rounds on them despite having been in inventory for ~30 years because our department is fucking poor and never actually goes to the range.

Oh look, a handpicked rifle with upgrades is slightly more accurate than a non-handpicked bone stock rifle! Who'dathunkit amirite? Literally every military that's tested it says accuracy is poor, in the ~3 MOA range with match ammo. Compared to 2-2.5 MOA for the FAL and sub-2-MOA for the M14. This doesn't mean it isn't accurate ENOUGH for its intended role, just that it's not as good as its competitors. That being said, the civilian-produced clones from PTR are actually a bit more accurate than the HK-produced HK91's, which in turn are a hair more accurate than the G3 due to a thinner chrome lining in the barrel and not being churned out by the hundreds of thousands to arm all of Africa.

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>>33834036
>weight
FAL: 50.00 9.48 lb
G3A3: 9.04 lb
M14: 9.2 lb
I'm just using the standard versions as listed on wikipedia. No shortened barrels, no folding stock, no aluminum alloy parts versions like you cherry picked.

>rail
You act like there's nothing in between the original HK claw mount and welded rail when plenty of companies have made alternatives that work better and don't require you to bolt on a new dust cover like the FAL or swap out the whole fucking stock like the M14.

>accuracy
I'm not comparing a SG1 to a stock M14, I'm saying that a stock M14 is roughly on par with a stock G3 and the G3 requires much less work to make even more accurate.

>G3 is 3 MOA while FAL is 2 MOA
Pure fucking nonsense. Like with the M14, at worst, there's not going to be a major difference in accuracy to them with the G3 having the advantage. The FAL is less accurate due to sheer design flaws. The front and rear sights being on separate moving parts is problem number 1 with problem number 2 being the tilting bolt prevents you from getting a consistent lock-up from differing pressure on the bolt based on how many rounds are left in the mag.

>haha we only put almost 50000 rounds through these over 30 years but we go through 2000 rounds so often that it always breaks
Make up your mind m8. Does your "department" shoot them often or not?

>>33834036
>chrome lining
>in any roller delayed rifle
You're full of shit. G3s, HK91s, PTRs, etc never had chrome lined barrels due to the chamber fluting.

I'm issued one now (Swedish Home Guard) and I like it. It's heavy compared to 5.56 caliber carbines, but it's reliable and decently accurate.

Ours are still being updated too.

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>>33836071
Any pics? I like your Swede aethetics.

>>33833268
R6V series had the G3KA4 and the PSG1. G3 was the better choice because you can slap a suppressor to it.