American RPG

Because they have something like a Carl Gustaf, SMAW, LRAC, or Panzerfaust 3 in addition to or instead of AT4s.

>>33820992

RPG-7 is old news and doesn't work on anything newer than the T-55. It's the Desert Eagle of rocket launchers and recives far more representation than warrented.

RPG-30 is the current standard.

The RPG-7 is very inaccurate and shitty.

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>>33820992
Because the Carl Gustav is the equivalent of it. AT-4 and RPG-7 are not even comparable. One's a disposable tube like the RPG-26 and the other's a launcher.

>>33820992
Because we aren't poor third world shitskins and can afford to have much nicer things like the Carl Gustaf.

>>33821041

lmfao if the RPG30 was the current standard with the jihadis that the West goes up against, mbts would be on fire all over the world

the west still fights against RPG7s, because then you can have headlines about "superior western armor" withstanding a gorillion hits

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>>33821058
>ol' carl g
>mahnigga.redundant.jpeg

>>33821852
Ok Ivan, calm down there. It's ok to be upset but don't make a scene

>>33820992
>looks cooler
looks like it was designed in pimpmygun

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>>33820992
AT-4 actually has better flight stability, therefore predictable accuracy than the RPG-7. The modern VR warhead is close to twice the weight than the VL so flight distance and accuracy is predicted to be even worse do to weight balance and coefficients of the warhead.

You can have 2 AT4's to 2 VL warheads + the RPG-7V2 and it will have the weight difference of only +3lbs. If combat reports are true than you can only pretty much use the RPG-7 at less than 100 meters for it to hit on target.

>>33821852
current standard for a modern army, not for durkas. OP's asking about modern armies implementing it

>>33821041
>RPG-7 is old news and doesn't work on anything newer than the T-55
lmao no
>RPG-30 is the current standard.
Yet nobody uses it, RPG-7 is still a perfectly capable anti armor weapon.

>>33820992
gotta ask yourself why it has to be this unergonomic in 2017? just slapping on an AR grip is not enough imo.

>>33822344
>nobody uses it
Yeah because modern armies haven't been fucking with other modern armies. Dust monkeys spamming budget model tanks for mobility kills doesn't make the 7 good at its job and half the times it's used as anti-personnel.

Honestly for the way they get used hadjis may as well be running around with trash bags full of 40mm grenades and GP-25 mounted on Enfield stocks

>>33822640
>Yeah because modern armies haven't been fucking with other modern armies.
As if this matters? We use Javelins on goatfarmers and Russians use strategic bombers on ISIS, your point? The RPG-7 with PG-7VL/VR can knock out basically any armored vehicle that isn't an MBT and rear end of most MBTs is still vulnerable to RPG-7s. It's a decent squad level light AT weapon.

>>33820992
Because it's got a max effective range of less than half of the AT4/CG/PF3 and a third of the range of the SRAW.

Because it weighs more, and weight matters a LOOOOOOT to a uniformed military. Especially when comparing the actually-good warheads and not the 40+ year old single-charge HEAT warhead, since the tandem-charge one is nearly 2kg heavier than the single charge one.

Because when compared to other anti-fortification or antipersonnel warheads the ones available for the RPG 7 kinda suck.

Because other launchers have minimized backblast (especially the AT4) and can be fired out of vehicles or buildings without shreking your buddies.

>>33822691
>light
>22lbs loaded, rockets weigh between 6 and 10lbs each
um. It's one of the heaviest man-portable AT weapons still in use.

you can only fire an AT4 so many times a day before you run the risk of heart damage.

>>33822767
That's true of all recoilless rifles and rocket launchers though.

>>33822766
Light as in role, not actual weight.

>>33822766
Also, not trying to samefag but, M3 CGs(and the ones before it) weigh a little more.

>>33820992
We have RPG-7 with even much better waheads, or at the very least with people that can distinguish between a fragmentation warhead from a HEAT one.

A more interesting question is why Carl Gustavs aren't more widely used taking into account that any building an enemy occupies can get JDAMed but not Gustaved.

The only thing I can think about is a price/effectiveness relationship, but then why don't issue all squads with 40mm grenade launchers?

Either way, there seems to be a gap between an enemy too willing to use explosives against people and the people receiving the explosives and always answering with 5,56 bullets, seems a bit unbalanced.

>>33822839
But all squads do have a grenadier

>>33822858

If I remember, he is the guy carrying a M203 for 20mm that from time to time might actually use it and for the rest he is just a rifleman.

I'm talking about a totally specialized soldier that always answers with explosives to even the smaller threats.

Put other guys to carry 40mm grenades too like they do with the person carrying the LMG.

>>33822812
The M3/MAAWS weighs 22lbs loaded, which compares pretty much exactly to an RPG-7v2 loaded with VL's and is lighter than an RPG-7v2 loaded with the thermobaric warhead by 3lbs.

>>33822767
What? Why? Why have I not heard this before?

>>33822888
M203/M320 are 40mm grenade launchers. Yes, the grenadiers are riflemen first. But 99% of the time a rifle is the right tool for the job. The underbarrel launcher is there for if shtf.

>>33822888
>I'm talking about a totally specialized soldier that always answers with explosives to even the smaller threats.
XM-25
Also checked

>>33822892
M3 is 22lbs unloaded and an FFV441B HE round is 6~ lbs.

>>33822888
A normal US squad has 2 grenadiers carrying underbarrel 40mm grenade launchers and between 12 and 36 HEDP grenades, plus the squad leader will also have an underbarrel grenade launcher but only carries 2-3 HEDP and the rest are smoke/flare.

At least 1 person will be carrying an AT-4/SMAW if there is ANY possibility that the projected opponent has anything more armored than a factory-stock hilux. Some specialized or SOF units will have 3-4 M72 LAWs instead of the AT-4.
>why the fuck did we take the LAW out of big-army inventory? Those things are still capable of killing IFV's and APC's and are one of the GOAT anti-fortification weapons

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>>33820992
>Is there any logical reason (other then war industry jewery) that any NATO forces don't use the RPG-7?
yeah, RPG-7 is outdated piece of shit that's a bitch to carry and has very low effectivness against modern armor
also made by ruskies and fuck ruskies
>instead of the AT-4?
you're comparing totally different launchers, as was stated earlier, AT-4 is a disposable launcher (fire and throw away), the eastern equivalent would be RPG-75 or RPG-27, both of which are vastly inferior to the AT-4

t. former RPG-7V operator

>>33822921
weight: 18.73lbs
length: 43.3 inches
rate of fire : 6 rounds per minute
muzzle velocity : 754-836 feet per second
caliber : 84mm

http://www.americanspecialops.com/special-ops-weapons/carl-gustav.php

"no"

>>33820992
The United States and its allies will never, ever adopt a soviet designed munition, you fucking mongoloid faggot.

>>33822724
>Because other launchers have minimized backblast

this

even the pira preferred homemade to the rpg7

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>>33822997
>http://saab.com/land/weapon-systems/support-weapons/Carl_Gustaf_M3/
>Weight ~ 10 kg
"yes"
>inb4 they mean loaded
>https://www.army.gov.au/our-work/equipment-and-clothing/small-arms/m3-carl-gustav
Even with 18.73lbs, you're still not getting under 22lbs with any ammunition when all of them weight 6lbs or more.

>>33822900
Just had a google myself dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a244127.pdf

Seems to be a problem in enclosed areas mostly

>>33822011
>looks cooler

only niggers and mallninja's care if something "looks cooler".
real operators will choose function over form 9 out of 10 times any day.

>>33823402
That would be believable if we didn't see trends amongst operators all the time.

>>33823356
So it's an overpressure issue. And the M136 has a notably smaller overpressure signature than the RPG-7. So it's not an issue.

>>33820992
>>33820992
>>33820992
> In the afnananan
> FOB fuckoff (aka to americans FOB liberty Hawk)
> In the sangar (OP) one day
> Been up there 10 hours so far.
> Cunt next to me is asleep and slumped over the hesco barrier
> Gazing through the binos
> See four dodgey blokes turn up on one of those shitty bikes
> They get off and start looking toward the FOB.
> minivan pulls up behind them with another 12 guys
> kick the sleeping cunt in the balls to wake him and get on comms.
> "Sunray actual this is Vanguard Actual In sangar 3 seeing some activity to the south"
> Blokes start unloading boxes from the minivans
> Pick up my Long (sharpshooter rifle) range and wind the scope.
> "Sunray be advised they are armed and preparing for attack"
> base is getting busy to be attacked.
> Bloke pulls out an RPG
> Cunt beside me readies the GPMG
> RPG in the tube
> Just about to take the shot.
> Bloke with the RPG tube slips and the warhead hits face first.
> Bloke blows up himselfe and three others.
> Remaining blokes look at us in horror and start running.
> Laughing so hard right now.
> Get on the tannoy to say allahu ackbar (we used to that whenever we slotted one because of psychological warfare.)
> "AHHHAAHHA-LAHAAHU-HU-HU AKBARHA dumbs motherfuckers"
> Cunt next to me is ase wht happened
> Sunray shows up and asks for sitrep.
> Barely manage to tell him i'm laughing so hard.
> Laugh so hard i lost consciousness and fell off the sangar stairway, and was giggling to myself that night for a solid 5 hours straight

After that whenever ANA would come with us on walkabout we told them to leave theirs behind.
I'm glad we did because some of those guys were dumb as shit in addition to being higher than an afghan kite.
Thats and they have a habit of putting things where they don't belong on man love thursdays

>>33823356
>>33824782

From the article:
>"Physiological injury. In the goats, no injury attributable to the exposure was seen in the heart and aorta, kidneys, bladder, trachea, epiglottis, skin, eyes, brain, ribs,lungs, gastrointestinal tract, spleen or liver. The goats did, however, experience 6 ruptured ear drums (out of 64 exposed)."

>>33821993
The new version uses a titanium liner and other tricks to dramatically lower the weight and increase the barrel lifespan. It's a serious improvement over the older models.

>>33822888
>a totally specialized soldier that always answers with explosives to even the smaller threats.
I like you.

>>33821038
>Carl Gustav

Enjoy your TBI after shooting that heavy piece of shit 3 times in one day

>Panzerfaust 3

Its like they took the RPG-7 and made it worse having to carry extra tubes and having to snap on the trigger housing assembly after each shot.

>SMAW

Heavier than RPG, Needs spotting rounds

>AT-4

Inferior, non reloadable, bulkier.

>>33827243
The Airtronic RPG was superior. Carl G is still backloaded, bigger, heavier, and has the whole TBI controversy.

>>33821852
>Sand niggers don't have RPG30s
Scuse me?

https://youtu.be/8pwmdAjePLY

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Is the RPG-22 any good?

Israeli army here (inb4MIDF) we used the RPG-7 alongside the M72 LAW and our own AT launchers (SMAW, Shipon, etc.) and eventually came to like the latter better.

It's easier to transport, less dangerous to operate (so many people burn themselves firing the RPG-7 from a an apartment room window), and modern armies have better anti-tank weapons anyway

I did get to fire a RPG-7 at a pali building in 2009 at least and felt like a IRL terrorist.

>>33821041
>The RPG-30, like the RPG-27, is a man-portable, disposable anti-tank rocket launcher with a single shot capacity. Unlike the RPG-27 however, there is a smaller diameter precursor round in a side tube, in addition to the main round in the main tube. The precursor round is fired shortly before the main round and acts as a decoy, tricking the target's active protection system (APS) into engaging it. The APS is not ready to engage again until 0.2–0.4 seconds later, allowing the main round time to hit the target.

That's fucking gnarly

>>33820992
could use a warhead change, looks like a giant butt plug. but desu i dont see why we arent using an updated version. fix the dud problem, cheaper better payload etc, could be a great and effective weapon

>>33827848
>Enjoy your TBI after shooting that heavy piece of shit 3 times in one day
>implying the military cares about health risks of operating equipment

>>33830604
>felt like a IRL terrorist.
you are.

>>33820992
because amerifats dont like to use things that remind them of sandnigger guns

>>33830760
Dude I did a moving job on a hoarder's house and it no joke looked exactly like that

>Mountains of trash and old food
>Loose bullets and empty mags everywhere mixed in with the trash
>A gun every ten feet, either buried under trash or hidden somewhere weird

>>33830877
checked and keked
how did he not trip on one and kurt kobain himself or have an accidental discharge?

>>33820992
The PG-7VR can penetrate better than a horse dildo

>>33831023
>tfw if anti tank weapons were easy to get legally, there would be a thread of a /k/ommando sticking a PG-7L in his pooper.

>>33821058

Airsoft.

>>33831094
It's from a Saab brochure for the M4 CG.

>>33831003
I don't even know how this guy left his house.

>Literal knee-deep trash ocean with ankle-deep "game-trails" connecting the rooms
>.22 target pistol in kitchen cabinet
>shotgun in bathroom
>9mm handgun in a box on the floor in a side-room
>another 9mm in the living room
>countless rifle stocks and shotgun barrels

One of my co-workers found 2 Ruger security 6 service models under the mattress, which promptly went into his lunch box and found a new home. I was trying to find me a fucking Hi-point because I found the box and manual for it, but lucked out and went home with a couple boxes of .30-06 and a buttler creek side folder stock for my mini 30 instead.

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>>33820992
why do Burgers have a fetish for ruining completely functional, utilitarian weapons by heaping plastic tactical garbage on them?

>>33831298
Airtronic rpg weighs half as much as the slavshit RPG though.

Its more utilitarian since you can carry more ammo due to it weighing 3.5kg vs 7kg

:^)

>>33831298
>MUH MODULARITY

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>>33830760

>>33820992

Yeah, the closest thing to the RPG-7 NATO has would be the L.A.W. but that thing doesn't reload but doesn't run the risk of exploding if the pointy end hits something hard enough.

Seriously, Could have made a 2 tube FLASH and call it a day.

>>33831386
>Pt 2/19
lel

>>33831534
>lel
go back to playing mobas

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>>33821058
>>33821993
>>33822086
>>33822724
>>33822766
>>33822892
>>33822921
>>33822997
>>33823342
>>33830604
OP here. im talking about the airtonic rpg, not bulky, shitty cold war RPG-7's with shitty deteriorated ammo:
http://www.airtronic-usa.com/products/gs-777-lightweight-shoulder-fired-recoilless-launcher/

also it only weighs 3.5kg so all your weight/bulky arguments are irrelevant as it beats all the systems you mentioned in that regard, even with thermobaric rounds, you could carry one of these with three fragmentation rounds and it'd still weigh less then a carl gustav with one (1) round. yeah its less accurate, but fragmentation rounds are noted as being more accurate then AT round ie. the primary round a western army would use, and given most combat takes place under 200meters nowdays itd be an ideal urban weapon for clearing rooms at a distance. pic related

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>>33831749

First of all the RPG is not recoilless.
Second is that company does not even know what it's talking about.

>>33825294
gold

>>33831414

The thing is, a Warsaw Pact squad carrying an RPG-7 launcher plus the rounds for it, is carrying more weight than a NATO squad carrying the same number of M72 LAWs. The LAW is much more flexible.

>>33827848

>Implying the RPG7 isnt also a recoilless, with all the accompanying overpressure drawbacks for the shooter.

A retard is you.

>>33820992
The Spike SR is by far the best shoulder launched AT weapon.

>small
>ATGM
>fire-and-forget
>long range

>>33832841

Right, but how much does it cost. The reason for the continued global use of the RPG-7 and reintroduction of the M72 LAW from experience in Afghanistan is that sometimes you just want an inexpensive infantry rocket.

Because the Gustav exists
/thread

>>33832847
>The reason for the continued global use of the RPG-7 and reintroduction of the M72 LAW from experience in Afghanistan is that sometimes you just want an inexpensive infantry rocket.

By all means, but for conventional war it's time for Guided missiles to become standard for infantry squads.

>>33824428
>"trends"
that would be a retrograde trend and the only reason for considering an RPG over anything else would be operational necessity.

>>33831605
welcome to 4chan, how's your first day?

>>33831749
IMHO opinion, if the "less accurate " claim for what ypur selling is true, i don't want it. If i need to engage armor at range before they turn me into a fine mist o need all the help i can get. Also, the G is recoiless and "rifled" it's two different things, both used for similar applications. I've never gotted a chance to shoot an RPG, only the G & AT4 , so maybe I'm biased

>>33822959
>t. former RPG-7V operator

any interesting stories you can tell?