SIG P320

>>33817046
when you're the only group who bothered to actually meet the requirements the military wanted it's kind of hard to fail no matter how shitty your pistol is.

Had Glock actually listened to the army and added on the features requested maybe they wouldn't be autistically screeching in the corner about losing out on one of the most lucrative contracts in the world

>Doesn't need a safety

You're right, just like the army didn't need to buy your gun.

>>33817139
lets face it no matter what glock did they werent going to get the contract pretty much every requirement was a fuck you to glock and berreta

>>33817046
Because the US isn't poor like you and can afford Sig.

>>33817046
>HUGE-ASS brick
Not really.
>sky-high bore axis
lmao doesn't make a difference and
>complaining about bore axis when the M9 had higher bore axis than Sigs.
>???
Go back to where ever you came from.

>>33817165
>i-it was the requirements! n-not the gun we submitted!

thats like failing a test and blaming the questions.

>>33817209
>lmao doesn't make a difference and
It sure as shit does, you fucking baka.

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its a nice gun, compact is better in every way, but everything has to be big right guys?

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>>33817139
fucking glock losers pulverized yet again

>>33817218
Aight then why do tons of competition shooters still use 1911? I'm not saying it doesn't do anything but does it make a significant impact on performance? Not really, I had a G19 and P320 and ended up selling the G19 since my performance with both was the same and the P320 was much nicer out of the box.

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>>33817283
>that bloody hand

>>33817218

Not to a shit shot like you. Maybe a world champion competition shooter, where millimeters matter, bore -axis is a thing. But to a pleb like yourself, who just looks at meaningless numbers on paper, and will never in his life need millimeter accuracy, it means nothing. You are just crying about bore-axis to hide your medicore accuracy, blaming it on the tool rather than the carpenter.

>>33817165
>company slogan is "perfection"
>refuses to make improvements on stock configuration
>gee i wonder why muh glock perfection didn't meet any of the requirements

brainlet glock fanbois never learn

>>33817182
The P320 was the absolutely cheapest gun in the program.
At least try with your bait.

Only Glock themselves would be idiot enough to think a military issue sidearm for the average joe wouldn't need a manual safety. You give the fuckers guns without manual safeties and watch the NDs skyrocket.

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>>33817046
>ppl
>gov
>HUGE-ASS YouTube tier clickbait

>>33817046
Because when you say "modular" army jizzes their pants.

>>33817376
Not even that anon but you're completely misunderstanding the effect of a low/high bore axis
It has literally nothing to do with mechanical accuracy

>>33817400
>The P320 was the absolutely cheapest gun in the program.
>At least try with your bait.

And it met the requirements. Cheap and met the requirements. That's the important part.

>>33817507
That's true for every service. (see: LCS, F-35)

This is just punishment for not adopting the P226 back in the 80's.

>>33817139
I thought they sent versions with frame safeties. They just straight up lost. The modular system might be a factor in that. Glocks are not exactly one size fits all, especially when you have an influx of female shooters and they're the ones most likely to actually use them in support roles.

>>33817376
bore axis is more about muzzle flip and "pointing". It has nothing to do with literal accuracy and MOA.

A gun with a low bore axis usually just "points" well. As in shooting without looking down sights feels better and is more reliable (not by much, but can matter for something meant to protect you) Lower bore axis also pushes the recoil into your hand and arm better, whereas a high bore axis would make the recoil "above" your hand and therefore cause more flip.

>huge ass brick for width
>twice as heavy unloaded and a Glock 17 is unloaded
>throw in foward slide serrations

Voila, every Glock clone made since 2004. Such innovation.

>>33817046
Wrapped my hand around a P320 at the last gunshow. Was not at all impressed and I am generally a SIG fangirl.

>>33817046
Because boreaxis is a meme perpetuated among retards like you and /k/ who don't/can't shoot.

>>33819021
>fangirl
men in skirts aren't girls.

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>>33819045
>Because boreaxis is a meme
your life's a meme. you're too stupid to be here. please leave and never come back.

>>33817507

I just saw the changable 'bodies' for ~40 bucks at a gun shop. I gotta say, that alone has my interest in them.

>>33818601

the increased moment arm of a higher bore axis (which isn't even all that high) of a P320 doesn't really matter that much. i've shot my G17 and FS P320 9mm side by side and I don't notice the difference, and I'd call myself an average enthusiast shooter. the much shorter takeup of the P320 trigger's a bigger deal, as is the superior takedown procedure.

>>33817046
Bore-axis actually adds +10% to hadji slaying

Glocks cause a -5% in intellect

>>33817139
gonna go with this.

not so much a matter of it being a badass pistol, it's just nobody else wanted to go out of their way as badly to develop something that will sit in thousands of arms rooms for the next 10 years and probably get a shit reputation because pfc whosits has to clean them and thinks it's, like, totally bogus, man

glock wasnt going to make a fucking manual safety pistol, ever

beretta m92a3 didnt make the cut

other options were pure meme that nobody took seriously

>ITT glockfags defend their obsolete wonder9

God, I love all these Glawkfag salt threads. Thank you USDOD for choosing the Sig. This is as rewarding to me as the Trump victory last November. Years unending of delicious salt.

>>33819879
I see you missed the last thread where engineeranon did the math. It was a 7% increase in muzzleflip which is only a deal for weak faggots. So if that's your game then yes there's more flip but it doesn't matter to anyone who can do more than a dozen push-ups.

>>33817046
Well, you bought it.

>>33820541
Glock has already made pistols with manual safeties, such as their entry for the JHP that went no where.

>>33817452
Joes don't carry handguns (officers, medics, operators do) but I see your point.

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>>33817376
>Not to a shit shot like you. Maybe a world champion competition shooter, where millimeters matter, bore -axis is a thing. But to a pleb like yourself, who just looks at meaningless numbers on paper, and will never in his life need millimeter accuracy, it means nothing. You are just crying about bore-axis to hide your medicore accuracy, blaming it on the tool rather than the carpenter.

only shippers of guns with a bore axis that would kill you if you jumped from the height like CZs and Sigs say shit like that. Steyr and Glock have the lowest bore and it shows. fuck off.

>>33822488
>7%
>only
guess what happens when you miss a target by 7%? or when you're 7% slower?

Stay fucking RETARDED kid.

>meets requirements
>cheapest

Welcome to typical procurement, not chair force trillion dollar boondoggles.

>>33817452
>Only Glock themselves would be idiot enough to think a military issue sidearm for the average joe wouldn't need a manual safety. You give the fuckers guns without manual safeties and watch the NDs skyrocket.


but does the US army eally issue handguns to pendejos and niggers?

>>33822544
>>7%
>>only
>guess what happens when you miss a target by 7%? or when you're 7% slower?
>Stay fucking RETARDED kid.

Toppest of keks.

You're dumb as fuck. Non-skelly shooters are not affected since they're able to absorb that 7% without issue. But keep on being a weak dumbass.

It's like you've had some sort of massive head trauma and you don't even realize it.

>>33822553
Mps and junior officers famalam

>>33822667
>Mps and junior officers famalam
are those groups too stupid to use a Glock in a Serpa or the Gluck brand Glick Gleck thumb Safety Glock holster?

>>33822544
I shoot my HKs more accurately and quickly then my buddies with their glocks.

>>33822710
>I shoot my HKs more accurately and quickly then my buddies with their glocks.
Maybe your buddies suck no matter what gun they use?

You're a baka.

>>33819879
The part that actually absorbs and transfers the recoil is in the same place. At the same time energy doesn't just disappear because its in a different spot. A person who has issues with a high bore axis gun will have issues with a low bore axis gun in the shape of diagonal recoil.

>>33822710
And I shoot my Glock more accurately and quickly then my buddies with their Les Baer 1911s.

There are rumors that the Block performed better but SIG offered them at a much lower cost. In an army as large as America's, price point is a huge factor.

>>33822725
The fact that you use chinese cartoon speak means you probably don't own any nice guns if you own any at all. My buddies aren't good, but that doesn't change the fact that you can shoot well with any gun, you just have to first

>Own them
>Then actually shoot them.

2 things poor basement dwellers like you don't actually do.

>>33822765
Also, if the slides have different weight distribution in relation to the bore axis, it's impossible to compare. The moment around your hand scales linearly with both distance and force, which is a function of mass. The slide geometry of a Glock puts more slide mass higher up on the slide, as well as having plenty of excess. I'd make a guess that it really doesn't make a difference, and the pistols I've shot lead me to believe that.

>>33817283
Quality.

>>33819021
Did ya pull the trigger?

I find the P320 triggers relatively crisp compared to most striker pistols. And even crisp as compared to CZ SP01.

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>>33822765
Says a fucking shithead who goes on an anime site and then insults anime fans. You really are fucking retarded and a waste of life.

BAKA BAKA BAKA!

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>>33817046
>And then ppl tell me there's no corruption in gov
Literally no one ever says this

>>33817182
>P320
>Expensive
Pick one

>>33817046
>>33822765
Own both, shoot both. P320 trigger blows glock out of the water. Aside from that they're really god damn similar with the exception of the p320 being completely ambidextrous capable out of the box.

Bore height does make a minor difference, but it isn't anything really noticeable and it's easy to learn against.

The glocks low bore axis does make it more comfortable when concealed and concealable, but the Sig actually met the contract, passed all the tests and did so cheaper.

>>33822817
>Says a fucking shithead who goes on an anime site and then insults anime fans.

>k
>The anime forum

>>33817218
It's a fucking 9mm, if you hav trouble with the muzzle flip on a sig because of "duh boar access" you're just a weak worsted faggot. It's like when people complain about the recoil of a certain AR in .223, just wimpy homos being wimpy homos

If it was in something snappy like .357 then maybe it matters but other than that no

>>33822817
It started out as an anime site, but this is the weapons forum not the cat ear wearing fagot kid cartoons board.

>>33823428
He is a ponytailed skinny anime fag. Of course he can't handle that 9mm recoil.

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>>33823430
>>33822765

>he doesn't realize every weeb that posts here is rich with daddy money and has more guns than the rest of us

sometimes i can't tell if people are shitposting or they really are this new

>>33823451
Yet they don't shoot enough or know enough to realize boreaxis is a meme.

>>33823430
>It started out as an anime site
It still is nigga

>>33817046
Would the interchangeable grip modules be beneficial to the military?

>>33823466
Part of it is, but most of it is not anime related. My fellow Caucasian.

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>>33823430
>It started out as an anime site
It still is you motherfucking retard.

You're as stupid as shitheads who go ona gay.com/forum/weapons and complain about faggots.

Use that shitty gun you probably have an just kill yourself so you don't spread your stupid genes around and you don't waste the air.

You're a fucking low-IQ moron.

You guys think the army gives a FLYING FUCK over minuscule differences like a couple of ounces or bore axis?

These pistols are almost never going to be used other than when qualifying all it has to do is shoot lots of 9mm reliably and durably with very easy maintenance for 18 year olds too stupid to get into a good college, and follow a couple of requirements. Other than that it's literally just the price of gun and it's parts

>>33823472
Interchangeable grip modules are a fucking meme. Totally unnecessary if the army just went with the p320c.

>>33823491
There is nothing low IQ about looking at the top of the page and realizing that more than 50% of those boards have nothing to do with Anime. Face it people outside of your little nerd circle have come to enjoy and change this to be about things they like. Sorry not everyone partakes in your stupid fagotry.

Learn how to shoot.

>>33823527
Thought so. Guy was trying to sell me that over the PPQ because somehow the modularity was better than having a better trigger and ergos.

I thank God that we don't have to look at that ugly brick of a gun called Glock for the next 20 years and that at least some movies will use Sigs now.

Doesn't hurt that Glocks are mediocre guns in their own right, too.

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>>33823557
If you want to change calibers its worth it, otherwise the PPQ is a good gun.

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>>33817212
Except this actually applies to blaming the question. The army asked for specific things to be added to the pistol, and Glock/Beretta straight up refused to do it. That's like getting a 4 part question that says "answer all 4 parts or automatically fail" and you answer 3 parts and say "the fourth doesn't matter because I submitted what I thought was good enough", then blaming the "teacher"/question for you not getting it right when it specifically said to answer 4 things not 3. Fucking mong.

>>33823649
I might be wrong, but isn't that image from a test to see how much heat the frame and plastic guide rod could handle before failure?

>>33823547
>Learn how to shoot.
Learn how to read and comprehend.

>>33817452
Every other military that uses Glocks would disagree with you.

>>33823654
Whoops. Just re-read that post and realized I didn't delete part of it that I meant to.

> It's not blaming the question, it's thinking you're above answering the question correctly.

>>33822533
Even they have to learn, at some point

>>33823649
I got the PPQ. And I put a SSguiderod in it. I'm not worried

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>>33823758
I like the PPQ, but they have fanboys problems like glock.

>>33823681
No, it was from a guy getting it smashed into the wall when it was in his hand and a guy was trying to grab it from him.

>>33823711
I can read and comprehend. Your precious little chinese courts aren't really appreciated here on /k/.

>>33822699
Having been an MP and seen enough butter bars... Yes. There is a reason for a manual safety.

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>>33823428
>>33823315
>>33822808

Basically if you can't shoot a P320 decently quickly or decently well you probably can't shoot ANY handgun very well or quickly.
They're stupidly easy to make good shots with.

>>33817046
>other options were an even huger even brickier brick that also explodes while slam firing, or more Beretta

>>33823466
You're in k not a. It's not an anime forum. It's the weapons forum. Look at the top.

>>33824020
>REEEEEE leave normie scum.

>>33823711
You should take your own advice. You're in the weapons board, not the anime board.

>>33824028
I see you're looking for r9k. Go to the top of the page to find the navigation links.

>>33818601
>A gun with a low bore axis usually just "points" well.
That certainly explains why people have bitched for decades about the way glocks point right, or how revolvers can magically stay on target through rapid fire despite the life ruining bore axis. I would love to know where you're pulling this reliability claim from though.

While I will admit that bore axis does play a mechanical part, it's effect is so miniscule that it's only worth mentioning in full power rifles without inline recoil and pistols where minimal height is the goal

>>33819879
And what happens when the slide returns to battery, which is the only point at which the gun can fire? That's right, the muzzle moves back down

>>33822544
Yeah that's a real issue

In open division competitionso while 50-100 shooters running riced out guns. Means fuck all to guys that use them in combat, CC or recreation and in those places other factors are vastly more important

>>33822542

>cz
> high bore axis


Bruh what

>>33824020
You're on /k/ in 4chan, which is a weapons forum on a japanese based imageboard relating to anime and manga.

>>33822743
Considering glock owes most of its success to undercutting I highly doubt that's true, and the same thing is repeating during every goddamn trial

>>33817165
That's because Gluck and beretta are bad.
Let me put it in ways you understand, if you're a toddler in a tantrum, and. Everyone just wants to punish you, it's not that everyone an asshole out to get you, it's because you're (glock) a child having a tantrum, you(glock) are the problem :D

>>33817046
>no corruption in the government
Like hell theyres not.

>t. Government employee

>>33824020
Woah there anon, tone down the baka.

4chan is an imageboard for weeaboos. Always has been, always will be. This is a board for weeaboos and other weirdos to discuss weapons. If that bothers you, then you might be more at home on Reddit.

Smh desu senpai.

>>33823654
So you're inadequate. Too Fucking bad.
If I need to higher tall people and you're a manlet, you're not getting highered. If you can make yourself taller (like glock adding a safety) I'll consider it, but until then see you on the curb bby
Mongs, every one of em

>>33823527
It's a meme for a civil shooter, no for a massive organization that plans to issue the guns tons of different people with different hands for the next 30 years. That makes the most pain in the assignment part to replace the easiest part to replace. Military procurement is the ONLY place that modularity makes sense

>>33824193
Posting pics of anime girls or whatever the fuck is fine by me, but just randomly inserting jap words like desu, senpai, baka is really autistic.
Only manchildren feel the need to have their own little 4chan lingo in every one of their posts.
Of course there's going to be anime carryover, who doesn't like gunsmith cats? But you don't have to be such a fag about it

>>33824099
>the muzzle moves back down
shithead, it never returns to the same spot. you're too stupid to live. kys

>>33824046
>You should take your own advice. You're in the weapons board, not the anime board.
on an anime site, retard.

how fucking stupid do you have to be to go on an anime site and complain about anime?


you're literally wasting your life away with weebs. fuck of to plebbit, arfcom or glocktalk you retarded low IQ normie.

>>33824210
Certainly there could be advantages to multiple frames for large organizations, but interchangeable back straps already work fine for the issue of differing hand sizes. And it's not like these polymer frames wear out every 20,000 rounds like the beretta's alloy frame

So is every branch but the Army going to keep the M9?

>>33823807
Actually, you're the minority here. Anime is posted on nearly every board. I'm not saying you have to like anime, but to go on 4chan and bitch about it is asinine.

>>>/operatorchan/

>>33818603
>glock clone
Haha haha hahaha.
So any semi automatic pistol is a Glock clone?
Fucking Glockbois

>>33824200
It's hire, you twit. I hope you're not actually in charge of anything

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Did CZ not enter the competition? Even just a basic CZ 75 shits on this.

Not to get off topic but how is the SP2022? I'm genuinely curious.

>>33824193
4chan was an anime board when a was the only board. As soon as b became a thing it was no longer an anime board, by definition. If your brain is too addled with Japanese school girl giggle animations to realize that, you probably shouldn't be on the weapons board.

>>33824061
No, I am just mocking mister anime nerd here.

>>33817139
According to the Glock rep I talked to at my work, their gun did meet the requirements.

Take that with a grain of salt though, because this guy said they were going to introduce gen 5 next year and that it'd be "a huge departure from their previous guns". And that full size single stack Glocks were coming.

Again, lots of salt people.

>>33824167
Thats where it started, now it is an image board for different things. You have your own little board for anime.

>>33824193
This is not an Anime board. Just because you want to be a weirdo doesn't mean you are right for doing it.

>>33824210
Its not though, being able to save some money and buy a new upper to change calibers is pretty nice.

>>>33824259
You are responding to someone else lord autismo. If you train right, it comes right back down on target. You would know that if you didn't waste time fucking your waifu pillow. It would also help keep your testosterone if you stopped fucking that thing too. This way you wouldn't have such weak bitch arms that have a hard time shooting 9mm guns.


>>33824277
Its not an anime site, its an image board for various topics, the board you are on is for weapons which is a grown mans hobby. No go screech for mommy to make you some tendies while your sloppy ass watches little cartoon girls make weird unrealistic noises and mannerisms.

>>33824338
Except I am not, you are the very vocal and pathetic minority here.

>>33824483
Its a plastic 229 they are good.

>>33824494
Amen

>>33824594
just kys.

>>33824182
Beretta isn't bad, the army just decided a pistol from the 80's isn't what they wanted in 2017. I'm a Beretta fan, but I know exactly why they chose the 320 over the m9a3 and even the apx; and I'm not even mad

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>>33824594
>>33824619
What's it feel like to get THIS triggered over cartoons? I assume there must be some sort of physical anguish involved.

>>33822808
i will give you $35 and a handy for your handguard from the discontinued upper set

>>33824668
No u

>>33824860
I am not triggered at all, you are the one spewing vitriol over people telling you your cartoons are gay.

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>>33824985
Owait, that's nip fetish art, let me try that shitpost again.

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>>33822643
skeletal reporting in
>6' 130lbs
no issues with Sig Sauer P-series handguns whatsoever, they happen to be my preference

this bore axis shit is so overblown, the people complaining about it are only trying to rationalize something and aren't mature enough to just try it out or realize 99% of issues are with the shooter and not with the firearm

>>33824277
>on an anime site, retard.
>how fucking stupid do you have to be to go on an anime site and complain about anime?
>you're literally wasting your life away with weebs. fuck of to plebbit, arfcom or glocktalk you retarded low IQ normie.

Too dumb to realize where the boundaries of a lie, too arrogant to see the folly of his ways. Keep posting. It's fun watching tards grapple with complex subjects.

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>>33825001
>urushihara
Bought that same artbook as a present for a friend.

Saw the rest of your set before too, you have good taste.

>>33817046
MODJULAR BROH

>>33819021
Traps are gay fag boi

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>>33824954
>posts anime
>"REEEEEEEEEEEE NERDS ON MY 4CHAN REEEEEE"

You're either a very successful troll, or just retarded.

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>>33825001
You have both good and shit taste anon

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>>33825047
>Saw the rest of your set before too, you have good taste.
Cheers m8. That is a damn fine /vr/ collection you've got going there yourself. I have a mighty need for a Saturn. It's competing with several other expensive hobbies, unfortunately.

>>33825055
>MODJULAR BROH
aka features no one fucking cares about.

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>>33825001
>tfw you only own long guns so you can't easily frame it with your hentai

Anyway I have Urushihara's KAN collection and it's a real treasure. Where did you get Sexy Robot?

>>33824985
>>33825001
We aren't triggered, we just think you are a pathetic fagot.

>>33825024
Yup, pretty much /k/ in a nutshell.

>>33825069
The only REEEEEtard here is you.

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>>33825144
>Where did you get Sexy Robot?
Amazon, actually. Nip fetish pinup sent same day with prime. These are the days of miracle and wonder.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/4768305962/

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Army always falls for stupid memes.

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>>33825144
step up, nigga

>>33817046
lol @ new/nogun fags still complaining about bore axis which is a non issue lmao. keep crying about something you'll never be good enough to be affected by.

>>33825181

So do you, apparently.

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>>33825174
>we
>think
Oh yeah, you're booty bothered by cartoons. "We" were here before you, and our culture is more prevalent. Stay mad every time you see a smug animu bitch tho. Kekking atchu, friend.

>>33825195
>>33825221
t. buttmad SIGtard fanboys.

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>>33825193

>>33817046
What exactly mechanically, causes bore axis to be a problem? It has to be the tilting barrel lock up system or uneven weight distribution. If bore axis is such an issue, everyone would use beretta, but they don't.

>>33824299
Correct, but that wasn't the make or break aspect of the gun. The way the problem was addressed is just a bonus. Procurement is a package deal and the 320 checked the most boxs.

>>33824594
>being able to save some money and buy a new upper to change calibers is pretty nice.
I would rather pay slightly more to have another gun all of the time than pay a little less for another gun some of the time, but that's me. At some point having a whole gun and most of another is just going to result in getting the rest of that parts.

>>33822544
Yeah, only. Fucking fag. If I'm 7% over the speed limit I'm hardly speeding.
If something weighs 1 lb compared to 7% more, you can't tell.


Now if sometHing is a Million fucking pounds you will. But it's not. A literal todler can hold it you fuckworm
7% alone is nothing, you NEEEEED relativity

>>33824259
If you have any idea how to shoot then it comes as close as one can expect without using a robot. It's not magic but it's nowhere near as bad as the 3 stooges with a firehose scenario that you seem to have in your head.

You would know this if you had ever fired a gun with any understanding of what you're doing

>>33825344
>wobbly hands are good
Sigtard logic everyone!

>>33823547
This guys got a point everyone.
/k/, largely just guns
/out/ hillsides and mushrooms, literally no animoo
I guess you could say initial D animoo on /o/, but it's entirely different from bakafag in this thread.
Most of chans is not animoo.

>>33825266

>what causes bore axis to be a problem

This may be a new concept for you, but its what is called a "Lever."

>>33825247
Not him, and not a sig owner.

>>33825222
You haven't been more prevalent since 2010, nor do I care if you were here before me. I am American after all, when has that shit ever mattered to a true American.

>I would rather pay slightly more to have another gun all of the time

Why? You only have 2 hands? It would take 2 seconds to change uppers for when you want to switch calibers, which in of itself will be rare.

>At some point having a whole gun and most of another is just going to result in getting the rest of that parts.

Maybe if you are impulsive.

>>33824200
>highered
>calling anyone else a mong

Ahahahahahahahah

>>33825181
Yeah that sure slowed Langdon down at the 2003 IDPA Nationals with a P220. His Beretta didn't stop him from winning either, didn't stop Ben Steger from winning, the P30 didn't Todd Green or Jason Koon.

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>>33825402
>when has that shit ever mattered to a true American

>>33825181
To be fair you could reasonably grip the SIG a lot higher than is shown.

>>33825358
Steady hands and technique are what make bore axis completely negligible. It's such a minute change that it can be overcome in a weekend.

>Maybe if you are impulsive.
Or maybe because I'm /k/ because I actually like guns beyond pure utility. I'm not in a situation where I have to choose one gun before being dropped off on an alien planet. More importantly I've never fallen into the fanboy trap that makes me too blind to see that every design has its merits

>>33825529
>Todd Green
Its a good thing this American image board isn't Japan no matter how much you psychosis induced animeme retards wish it was.

>>33825222
This isn't an anime board. It's an American website in the format of early 2000s Japanese image board. It has no official anime theme

>>33825537
Yup, BOARAXES fags can't be honest with their representations.

>>33825542
>Or maybe because I'm /k/ because I actually like guns beyond pure utility.

Why waste money and collect 2 guns that are only different in caliber when you could be smart and use that money towards something that is actually different? I fell into the collectors meme, its a waste of money. Owning 600 dollars of material to never shoot it is just plain stupid.

>I'm not in a situation where I have to choose one gun before being dropped off on an alien planet.

Thats not why modularity is a good thing. Its good because it saves you money for other things like nightvision or quality optics for guns that actually matter.

>More importantly I've never fallen into the fanboy trap that makes me too blind to see that every design has its merits

Yet here you are trashing a gun because of its merits. I don't even own a sig, but I respect what they have done to the firearms world.

>>33825537
>To be fair you could reasonably grip the SIG a lot higher than is shown.
Prove it, sigtard.

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>>33825649
Not a sig, but another "high boaraxes" gun that can be gripped quite high when done right. This is also the USP 45 which is a bit taller than the other USPs.

>>33817299
I herd it was the smexy triggers...

>>33817046

Who cares, its literally just paperweights in the military anyway

They should just have bought Hi points and moved along

>>33825689
>Not a sig
then it's not a fucking argument you nitwit.

>>33825760
It is though, its a high bore axis gun with a hand in a proper grip position unlike that pic with the other gun.

>>33825833
it's not the same gun you low-IQ pleb. it's like saying that all trucks are the same.

>>33824817
Honestly I was mainly looking at the Glock, but because he added beretta, I added beretta

>>33825544
Why areally you citing the now deceased Todd Louis Green, a well k nm own competition shooter while replying to a completely different poster.

>>33825641
Are you incapable of following the conversation? I was the one that argued for the modularity in a mil context, two of my favorite guns of all time are the P220 and P228, I specifically said I would rather have more than one gun (as opposed to 1 guns and more parts for that gun) and owning other things I enjoy isn't a waste of money if I enjoy them nor did I ever state I wouldn't be shooting them. Where you got anyour of that I'd nor do I get why you assumed I would have an interest in night vision.

>>33825942
HKs and Sigs have the same bore axis dimensions. You would know this you socially retarded poorfag if you actually owned and handled guns in real life.

>>33825944

Look into the APX, people who shoot them seem to like them.

>>33825942
It's more like saying grabbing the steering wheeles are the same

>>33825406
>>33824385
>assmad grammer nazis
I was phone posting in English class, fuck off. Same reason my phone said "Too Fucking bad" I don't actually capitalize the Fucking lol, my phone is just addmad

>>33825942
And yet you've been making unsubstantiated claims based on similar claims that you've heard from equally inexperienced chucklefucks and acting as if that's somehow better than that anon demonstrating why an image was dishonest

>>33825948
I had it high lighted to google him, and forgot, sorry.

>Are you incapable of following the conversation?

Yes, my point is that even civilians have logistical concerns they should address. Every handgun you buy is one less thing you can buy that is actually useful. Like I said, I fell into the collecting meme, and regretted it because i wasted money on guns instead of using that money for ammo, training, other guns that I would have a use for.

>>33826002
>Like I said, I fell into the collecting meme, and regretted it because i wasted money on guns instead of using that money for ammo, training, other guns that I would have a use for.

And that comes down to an individual basis. I could easily say that you could have invested in a reloading setup to cut down on ammo costs or make fewer expenditures elsewhere to arrive at the same ends. Likewise someone else may not want to have 1.5 guns like or the need to spend them on the same pursuits as you. Outside of the characteristics of the gun itself we just arrive at the "G26 with extendos" or "dress around a fullsize" argument if money was a real concern.

I get why the P320 is nice, but the kits always come across like as seen on TV advertisement to me. So for once on /k/ I'm not arguing, I can see your point and I'm sure you get mine. It's just not my cup of tea

>>33825948

what the fuck competition did Todd 'tpog" Green ever do?

Stegger, Chris Tilley, TGO, Langdon, Racaza, etc. are relevant. tpog, not so much. and that's not because he's ded.

>>33824441
P10C?

>>33826094

just try out a P320. it's a pretty decent striker gun. bore axis is higher, trigger is pretty good, modularity is neat, takedown is fairly idiot-proof, and if the X-5 ever comes out it'll be a good Production/3gun gun (though it'll lose to a 69 oz Tanfo or CZ in Production or a 9mm 2011 in 3gun)

>>33825944
Fair enough, I would see it as a cold day in hell before Glock changed anything substantial about their pistol.
I give Beretta more credit simply because they bothered to try towards the requirements, as well as offering something that was less of a ground up replacement. From a training and armourer standpoint it was a nice effort.

>>33826172
I have, and the P250 as well. Just don't like the grip itself or the balance on the poly sigs, put that's more a matter of my hands than anything. The only thing that bothers me about the P320 is that it could have been better if they didn't piggyback the P250, outside of that it's a pretty nice gun, just not my preference

>>33826094
>I could easily say that you could have invested in a reloading setup to cut down on ammo costs

This only works when you have your own house, I live in NJ, its damn near impossible to buy a house here without fuck you money.

>>33826398
You can do that with about 3 different hand presses or 6ft of empty space.

>>33817046
But Anons, Glock is the preferred choice of Tier Zero runway guards.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/10/12/1911s-weapons-choice-special-forces-not-anymore-sf-goes-glock-doesnt-look-back-us-army-soon-follow/

>>33826467
Where would I do that in an Apartment, in NJ?

>>33826504
in your kitchen

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>>33826504
On your coffee table..

>>33826529
Lol, I am not doing that shit in my kitchen. I'm a dago so the kitchen is a sacred place to me.

>>33826573
You don't have to make it a permanent setup.

>>33826590
I know, I am talking about sanitation though. Its ok, soon I will be moving to PA with less rent and hopefully a better job.

>>33826504
on the other hand maybe... just recognise NJ is a shithole and leave? Esp. since you don't own a house

>>33826661
>just recognise NJ is a shithole and leave?

You have no idea how bad it is here do you? If you make less than 50K you are stuck here. Almost all of you money goes to expenses. Its a know problem, there is a reason Nj has the highest number of people stuck with their parents.

>>33817046
nobody in the history of ever said there's no corruption in government

>>33826744
Ya know what I did when I found myself in that situation? I got rid of all the shit I didn't need, left everything else with my mom and I fucking left. Got out of my shithole with $500 in my pocket, struggled for a few months and then had two fantastic years after that.

If you can't live in your car for 3 months to make that escape then it isn't bad enough

>>33825193
What is up with that gas tube cover?

>>33827956
>If you can't live in your car for 3 months to make that escape then it isn't bad enough

Lol, you are telling me to go homeless just to leave. I have money saved up, I am just waiting to see if I get into the PA state troopers or not.

>>33828376
it's a cheese grater

I'm considering getting one for $450. should I wait for a sale, or is that a fine price?

>>33830962
>I'm considering getting one for $450. should I wait for a sale, or is that a fine price?
$350 max

>>33824255
>Complaining about autism
>On 4chan

>>33817904
They decided not to and submitted a straight-up production Glock 19.
>requires modular design capable of changing grip length and barrel/slide length at the user level
Glock 19 is not modular beyond backstraps changeable between 3 flavors of unergonomic
>required manual, frame-mounted safety
Glock 19 has no safety
>required all variations to be capable of mounting a suppressor
Glock 19 has no threaded barrel

Basically out of the ~12 requirements listed they met 2: striker fired 9mm.

>>33822533
>implying a pog officer isn't even more likely to ND than a joe

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>>33817165
dude. Glock and Beretta are massive arms manufacturers, they have the ability to make a fucking pistol mechanism of any design. They have in house CAD/CAM machines, designers, and for the purpose of this competition, nearly unlimited resources.

And what did they do? They told the most powerful military in the world, to go fuck itself, and that they knew what it needed more than it did. That is exactly what they did.

What did sig do? "I have a tradition of doing things XYZ, but my customer wants ABC. Guess what? Customer gets ABC because I like to make money."

Guess who fucking won? Sig. Sig won. Sig won, and Glock and Beretta get to eat a slice of humble pie for being assholes.

>>33825980
>>33825980

underageb& pls go