F-35 is my favorite plane.

>>33816981
you're a retard. F-35 is a lemon and total piece of shit.

>>33816981

You're a genius. The F-35 is a top of the line machine and made with state of the art technology.

>>33816981
Maybe. I mean I find the F-35 to have mixed benefits and downsides.

I don't know, please inform me of the status of the JSF program.

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>>33816990

>>33818016
>downsides.
Like what? It's got better payload and range than everything except the Strike Eagle. It's cheaper than less capable contemporaries. It's a development platform for technologies that will be used in newer projects like the B-21.

>>33816981
No problems there. You aren't the DOD or a congressman for its technical ability and cost to be a factor. Shit is pure sex aesthetically.

>>33816990

obviously this anon, on an anon message board full of chinese cartoons and fat virgins is a master of aerospace knowledge and military policy, and isn't parroting internet opinion from other equally informed individuals.

>>33816981
The JSF program got fucked by uncontrolled scope creep and a drive for commonality that has now cost more than it saves. F/A-22 a best

>>33818016
I half way agree with this statement and I half way do not.

>>33818600
>The JSF program got fucked by uncontrolled scope creep
That has resulted in a huge leap in tech qualities and completed development of those for new projects like the B-21.

>and a drive for commonality that has now cost more than it saves.
You mean a program that has cost less than the F-22's and for the most common variant will be $20m per less than planes like the Rafale? And Program costs a third or less that of separate programs?

>>33816981
I wanna put a baby in that baka.

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>>33816981
>F-35 is my favorite plane
Its a jet, not a plane

>>33819561
Jet is a subset of plane.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZqs36C5sgM

>>33816981
F-35 can't fly and cost 600 billion USD.

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Hey look an F-35 thread that isn't archived on arrival.

Me too, she's cute.

>>33816981
F-35 a cute
CUTE!

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>>33816981
>>33816990
>>33817952
>>33818016

/k/ in a nutshell.

>>33818520
Costs too much for what it does, and it doesn't do what does very well.

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The downside of making the the f35 into 3 different planes is that all of the planes are stunted in terms of performance. The cost issue comes from how the quest for commonality meant that a fault in one variant was a fault in all variants. In hind site, it would have been cheaper to let all the variants branch off into their own designs. Only one country will actually have more than one variant. Everyone else is just getting the one type they need and can afford.

>>33821878
And a ching chong to you too, young lady.

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>>33821869
>Costs too much for what it does
Cheaper than its contemporaries is too much?

>and it doesn't do what does very well.
According to who, your cheeto-dusted ass?

>>33821894
>t. My Ass

>>33816990
T. Pierre Sprey

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>>33816981
>F-35 is my favorite plane.
we all know your tastes are shit and your waifu is ABSOLUTE TRASH.
now be quiet, best plane is sleeping

>>33821861
>/k/ in a nutshell
more like humanity in a nutshell

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i like gripen...

>>33821938
>4 friendly fire incidents with 10 deaths
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOYWbxrlGko

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>>33822024
I think the draken is sexier. Outdated for sure, but man, those in-wing intakes...

>>33821920

It's an f-16 with stealth. That's all it is. Except it costs so much more.

>>33822538
Except it's also faster, can pull more Gs with weapons, has far, far better sensors and avionics, etc and can wipe out squadrons of F-16s per F-35 loss.

>>33816981
CUTE!

>>33822538
Have you looked at the pricetag of Block 60 F-16s and Eurocanards?

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>>33822538

>>33822558
The f35 takes 43 more seconds than an f16 to pass the transonic range. It's slow as fuck. It also lost to an f-16 with sidewinder winglets. It's less manuverable. Yet the f35 cost so much more to develop, because Lockheed martin is so inefficient at plane design.

>>33822216
its cute when girls are a little klutzy!
at least she flies!

>>33822687
Source: your ass.

>>33822687
>The f35 takes 43 more seconds than an f16 to pass the transonic rang
If you've got a completely clean F-16. Do you know what we actually fly F-16s with?

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>>33816981
>>33816990
>>33817952

I love this board so much.

>>33822687
>>33822753
It's actually an F-16 with 2 wingtip amraams and nothing else.

But yeah, F-35 subsonic acceleration is substantially better than F-16, and transonic is roughly equivalent depending on load.

>>33822803
F-16s never fly clean these days, though. While an F-35 with F-16 equivalent payload is clean.

>>33822803
>It's actually an F-16 with 2 wingtip amraams and nothing else.
That's actually better than a clean F-16 then. Carrying missiles on the wingtip rails reduces drag for planes like the F-16.

>>33816981
I fucking hate it and I fucking hate its fangoys, but it's a decent plane

>>33822216
Just because she's klutzy and fiesty girl doesn't mean that she should be blamed for the actions of her handler.

>>33824054
yes!
s-she just wanted to give the best air support... she tries so hard...!

>>33823675
Only for subsonic speeds mind you.

Dave Majumdar BTFO by 4.5th and 5th gens:

http://www.scout.com/military/warrior/story/1775189-flying-against-the-f-22-and-f-35
>"it’s now clear to me that even the F-35 with its mediocre kinematic performance will be an extremely dangerous foe in the air due to its low radar cross-section and sensors."

>>33826565
The thing is, the F-35 ISN'T kinematically mediocre. It's got nearly as good energy recovery as an F-16 and better AoA than anything else. It's just not able to do some of the airshow stuff like the F-22 and Flankers that's mostly worthless in combat anyways.

>>33816981
fuck I forgot what this series is called

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>>33826846
Flight High School.

>>33827062
right, thanks m8
have a (You)

>>33827062
>shittalking J-20 and PAK-FA stealth
BASED GOOK

>>33827062
E3 a cute

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>Arguing over fighters
You guys can keep em, I'll take the bombers

>>33827780
>B52 isn't carrying anything
She should be carrying X-15 over her head or something.

i-is there a spitfire version?

>>33821878
*BRAAAAPPPPP*

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>>33829632

>>33822803
Absolute lies right there. The f35 takes 43 more seconds to go from 800km/h to 1200km/h than the f16 does when both planes carry the same load of two A2A missiles. The f35 is a lemon.

>>33830118
Go to bed, Pierre.

>>33830118
And when exactly are F-16s ever sortied with nothing but wingtip missiles? The whole point of the F-35 was to offer superior loaded performance to legacy fighters rather than aim for impressive but operationally useless clean performance.

>>33830204
Plus even the current full-stealth clean F-35 A2A config is four AMRAAMs, not just a pair of Sidewinders.

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>>33830118

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>>33831944

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>>33831952
http://elementsofpower.blogspot.com.au/2015/02/the-f-35-and-infamous-transonic_22.html

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>>33831952

>>33831952
>>33832075
More jpeg.

>>33830240

Once the F-35A gets 6 internal AA missiles, it will basically be flying clean with the same missile payload and more fuel than a F-16 fully laden with A2A missiles, CFTs, and EFTs. Sure, the weight is higher, and that F-135 is thirsty compared to the F-110, but that lower drag is immense.

>>33825113
I want to make an aging airframe feel young again.

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>>33832636
And in the future 12 missiles internally.

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what is with all this flight highschool shit

>>33834564
Did you forget where you are?