USFA Zip

>>33805778

Gonna be frank, if it was a lot smaller (like a lot smaller), you could have sold the design as being a sort of futuristic Derringer.

>>33805778
>Why was this gun made?

looks like a rendering to me

>>33805778
since you seem to have owned one and fired it enough to gain experience with it, what were the issues that you had to cause your displeasure with the item in question?

please elaborate on your claim, and cite your sources. we eagerly await your cogent response because OP would never be a faggot.

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>>33805816
I wish I could say this gun isn't real. But it is.

>>33805816

It's a real gun. Not OP, btw.

>>33805821
What is your defense of this gun? It shouldn't exist.

>>33805778
An active experiment to test what percentage of firearm owners are mentally retarded.

>>33805821
It cannot be held without giving you a crippling hand cramp. The charging rod is damn near flush with the barrel. It's possibly the least reliable 22lr pistol ever created. It looks exceedingly moronic, and has no apparent rhyme or reason to it's design.

The mere fact that this gun even exists makes me angry.

>>33805778
If it was more reliable and less dangerous I'd buy one honestly. Legal problems aside, an underbarrel .22 sounds like a good time.

>>33805850
thank you very little for not answering my query. please find something else to do.

>>33805972
I answered you: >>33805888

What can you say in defense of this "gun"?

>>33805954
>an underbarrel .22 sounds like a good time

no, no it doesn't

>>33805831
Is that a patented gun? I thought it was a CAD you could 3d print. Or did some company just make them and sell them from that?

>>33806043
They're all made by USFA. They're not printed guns.

>>33806027
>no, no it doesn't
Yes, yes it does.

>underbarrel crossbow with underbarrel .22 on a hunting rifle
>what are you hunting
>yep

>>33805778
It's kinda like Communism, where it seems like a cool idea if you shut your brain off.

But then it doesn't feed and you get shot in the head. In both cases.

The sad thing is that USFA made amazing revolvers. I have one of their SSA clones and it blows anything short of Freedom Arms out of the water. Autismal levels of tolerance for a design that is no longer relevant. They went from the top to the bottom.

>>33805778
the concept itself is great
if it worked a small functional action like that could easily be shoved into any airsoft shell.
add a longerbarrel and a stock/grip with actual ergonomics and it could have been cool

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>>33805778
>implying it's not a weapon-mounted gun
That's like leaving your M16 on the ground and just using the M203 separately.

>>33806691
holy shit this is a great idea

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>>33806691
>no suppressors
why even?

>>33805821
>shilling for one of the worst guns to ever exist
never change /k/

>>33805778
Hand warmer.
Just a little bit at a time

>>33805992
never once did i offer a defense of it. i just wanted to be sure that someone that actually fondled one and shot it was making the claims, not just some faggot that saw a picture of one on the net and shits upon it.

until you've fired it, you've never fired it and you dont know how it works or feels. you're just inferring from a picture. i had hoped better would have come from you, but alas, like everyone else around you, i'm disappointed by you.

such is life.

>>33806059
Wstb is the facing point then?

>>33806767
I think I understand the autism meme now.

>>33806691
>>33806719
Wait, doesn't this mean you'd have to register the rifle and handgun as an SBR?

Guns don't need a reason to exist you fucking bigot

>>33806565
Kek

I think this was a proof of concept pistol that got way out of hand and someone dumped actual money into it. Now it's being hocked for $500 to people that are scared of normal weapons.

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>>33806985
Why not just make the zip gun itself into an sbr?

>>33807431

Because you should not purchase this firearm in the first place.

>>33806767
It's dogshit and you know it.

>>33807431
why why why why why

>>33805778
Most of the flaws were fixed with 2 longer springs. As long as you know this it can be used. Connect to to side of a shotgun with rails and you now have a .22lr/12 gauge shotgun.

>>33808243
Putting a piece of shit on the end of a stick just makes it a shitty stick.

>>33808272
A shitty stick of pure awesome! Well.. no, not really. Now you just have an unbalanced shotgun that if the shotgun doesnt kill it, you have a problem.

>>33808243
The fact that it functions poorly is only scratching the surface with what's wrong.

>>33808326
My personal favorite is how often you have to put your fingers/hand in front of the muzzle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFepGqERdY0

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I got one through a trade, it is shit
Clean it and lube up, still can't fire without jamming in a 10 round mag. Awkward to hold unless you got the longer mag

The mechanism to charge the weapon is right next to the barrel. I sold it to some black guy who claim he need a gun for carrying, while signing bill of sale I noticed he got a hammerless wheel gun in his back pocket.

3 weeks later I saw it show up on the Armslist and he wanted $30 more than what I sold it to him. If he sold it for that... more power to him


It actually misfired 1 trigger pulled and 2 shots fired
> INB4 ATF

The only idea i could see it having use it if it was suppressed and mounted to a rifle of a sneeki breeki sentry dropping attachment, but a silenced pistol could do the same and would be easier to use.

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The market wants a 20+ round .22lr pistol that is reliable enough to shoot a few magazines and only deal with the occasional jam.

Major gun manufacturers are managed by morons and cucks who only give us 10 round target pistols - with some minor exceptions, like the Ruger SR-22, which at least isn't designed as a target pistol, although it still has the 10 round magazines. Ideally, the market would eat up something like the Kel-tec PMR-30, which sells out as it is, even though it fires .22WMR, which is as expensive as 9mm.

The Zip Gun is an abortion of a handgun, but it's a successful proof of concept. It answers the question: "Will consumers buy LITERALLY ANYTHING just so they can get their hands on a .22lr pistol with a magazine larger than just 10 rounds?" The answer is, "yes."

You know what the world really needs is a rimless 22 caliber cartridge that's as cheap to manufacture as rimed 22lr. That way we could have nice things.

>>33805778
It's designed for the elderly and infirm to commit suicide with

>>33808446
>I sold it to some black guy who claim he need a gun for carrying
You met sweetsoulbro?

>>33808844
I don't think elderly people would be able to hold on to it well enough to kill themselves. Able-bodied people can barely shoot it.

Can I mount this on my drone?

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Guys, i think i figured it out....

>>33809040
That is truly an abomination.

>>33809040
>.22 with 30" barrel
>6900fps

>>33806719
Yo dawg, intensifies

I want one just to piss off anyone who sees it

I think i'ts a fairly cool design, apart from the charging handle

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>>33807431
Alright but what if you stuck the zip diskette in the stock?

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>>33806767
You talk like a fag and your shit's all retarded.

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>>33808446
> That p7 magazine

You old scoundrel

>>33809430
Idk why, but this gif gave me just a little bit of a boner.

>>33805778
I would buy on if it was $30 new.

>>33805778
>put your hand in front of the muzzle to charge the gun

This is what happens with the "everyone is a winner!!1" attitude in school.
Mentally retarded people in engineering.

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>>33805778
There was some actually infuriating youtube gunshow coverage of this weapon that attempted to cover it as an interesting and quirky innovation in firearms design
.
Literally none of these face to face interviewers had the balls to point out just how
fucking retarded the idea was, ESPECIALLY the charging rod design and grip -
in fact, some of them actually seemed taken in
"Wow that's a really interesting design that harkens back to derringers! I could see myself conceal carrying this as a neat little pocket pistol!"

>>33805778
It was made so it would print as a phone or wallet when carried in jeans pocket.

If they cared to make it work well it would be kind of like derringer - pocket, very short range self-defence pistol.

>>33810376
That made sense

>>33810376
I would actually rather get raped to death by tyrone and his gang of merry felons than carry that abortion of a gun

>>33805778
its just something different. you cant keep rebranding knockoff JM Browning designs. have to try something new and different how and then

>>33810376
>>33810419
>about an one and a half inches thick
There's no excuse for this piece of shit.

>>33810450
>have to try something new and different
They didn't have to try THIS.

If you want to make a slideless gun, then fine. That's not the problem here.

>>33809040
>50% more bullet per bullet
>literally

>>33805800

Man, until I read this and saw the pic further down, I thought it was. What a piece of shit.

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>>33806634
>they made this fine shit
>but then dropped all of it for that fucking plastic deathtrap

>>33808808
I'm ignorant what would a rimless cart do that the rimmed one cant

>>33808733
>The market wants a 20+ round .22lr pistol that is reliable enough to shoot a few magazines and only deal with the occasional jam.
.22LR is rimmed and has a weak crimp, there's only so many ways you can stack it without having problems, anything significantly higher than 10 in in a single-stack gets iffy unless there's some curve, and that won't fit in your grip.

Double-stacking .22LR is out of the question.

>>33812012
Kel Tec made it work with the PMR-30

>>33808733
The PMR30 is anything but trouble-free, cartridges in a loaded magazine get wear on their crimp pretty fast.

>>33811984
Easier to make a magazine with.
But the rim is the primer on a .22, so that's easier said that done.

Unless you want to tool up and produce an all new rimfire .22 with a rebated rim (to make it flush), and compete with the most produced cartridge of all time that does the same thing for cheaper.

>>33808808
Sure, design a primer that fits within the case diameter of a .22 LR without the rim.

>>33811984
Stack properly so we could have very high capacity magazines that work reliably.

>>33811984

Feed reliably out of non-retarded mags.
Go off more reliably than shit ass rimfire.

>>33812026
>all new rimfire .22 with a rebated rim (to make it flush)
Yeah, that's pretty much my idea. You'd bring it to market with an array of high capacity rifles and pistols. Working reliably with high capacity would be it's killer feature.

I think there is an unfilled niche there.

>>33810450
>blowback pistol with Ruger magazine
Holy shit, so innovative!

>>33812043
>more reliable
No, anon still wants to use rimfire technology, so it'd be the same, he just wants to shrink the rim in under the wall of the cartridge, think sort of the .50AE cartridge, where the head of the case is less wide than the rest of it.

>>33812045
Yeah but what about all the old tooling, what about all the old guns, what about the revolvers?

The entire point with the .22LR is to be cheap, you'd be making it more expensive as well as less compatible.
It would seriously be better if you invented an all new centerfire .22 caliber cartridge for the purposes you want, or try to pioneer making 5.7mm a cheaper cartridge.

>>33805778
Because stupid people need gadgets to buy and they can't hold onto money.

>>33812032
John Browning did this and came up with .25 ACP.

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>>33811957
At least we have Freedom Arms and Ruger.

> ctrl+f Canada
>0 results

This thing caused major fucking issues for us because it could accept the rugger 10/22 mags. the RCMP flipped the fuck out and started imposing unsanctioned bans on them (ruger mags) then when they didn't gain traction they backpedaled but there is still some static about them.

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>>33812026
>The PMR30 is anything but trouble-free, cartridges in a loaded magazine get wear on their crimp pretty fast.
>>33812012
>.22LR is rimmed and has a weak crimp, there's only so many ways you can stack it without having problems, anything significantly higher than 10 in in a single-stack gets iffy unless there's some curve, and that won't fit in your grip.
>
>Double-stacking .22LR is out of the question.

Why are people on /k/ such dumb shits? I literally posted an example of a .22lr pistol with reliable 25 round magazines (granted, the pistol itself may not be reliable, but those BX25 magazines definitely are), and instead of responding to that, you decided to act like you have even the slightest clue about what the fuck you're talking about and pontificate about the woes of rimmed cartridges while completely missing the point - which is capacity.

>>33812522
Fit the BX25 inside a pistol grip.

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>>33810354
Where will Sally look for the ball?

>>33812537
Sounds like a job for a C96 re-release.

>>33812537
If a gun were designed from the bottom up, you could just design the magazine so it was thin enough to fit into a pistol grip. Or mount the magazine in front of the grip like on a CZ Scorpion. It's a gun for plinking, not concealed carry. Nobody is going to care if the magazine isn't flush with the grip. The PMR-30 is reliable enough for plinking with its double stack magazine, the main problem being the cost of ammo, so re-chambering that gun in .22lr is another option.

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>>33812587
So basically any other "rifle shortened to a pistol" style of .22LR gun? Beretta makes one, for one.

Or did you want to reinvent the Tec22? Because the Tec22 would actually be kind of cool if it didn't suck

>>33809757
watch the commercial, the girl that winces makes the cutest little squeak

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJQfT9C5Adc

>>33805831
It never struck me how uncomfortable that must be until I saw this picture of it in a person's hand.

>>33805813
>that mudslime
where is the art from?

>>33812079
>It would seriously be better if you invented an all new centerfire .22 caliber cartridge for the purposes you want,
Centerfire can't be made cheap enough to compete with 22lr. See: 25acp.

>>33809040
Seems like a quick way to dispose of illegal guns if ATF comes knocking you just fire the stock-gun and the baby killer assphalt rifle is not illegal anymore. Unless it's illegal to have a broken gun.
Maybe it is? I've no idea.

>>33805778

because it looks cool I guess

>>33806305
that sounds fucking dumb. Also a .22lr for an underbarrel? Exactly why

>>33812990
that's what i've been thinking this whole time.
really makes me wonder why this thing was made. for what purpose?

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>>33805778
>come to /k/ to look at a few guns
>see this thread
>wow that looks strange
>google it
>see this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFepGqERdY0
>the ergonomics
>the plastic-rod-silding-in-a-plastic-hole sound
>see this
I'm no /k/ guy, I come here every now and then because I like how guns look, but picture related will give me nightmares.

>>33812563
I bet posting that makes you feel pretty good. Like you accomplished making some witty comment by posting a pic someone else took the time make. Well you missed the mark on this one fuk boi. By being so caught up on making baby's first autism joke on 4 chin, you completely lost the context of the OP post and anons comment. You god damn retarded nigger.

>>33816782
>that video
i cant force myself to watch the entire thing.
that dude talks like a fucking fag and his shits all retarded, seriously.
he even calls the magazine a "box clip"
reeeeeeeeee

irritating as fuck.

>>33816866
Watch his other videos, its all satire

>>33816883
>its all satire
what? seriously? that sure didn't sound like satyre.

literally the entire gun is a wear item. it eats its own feet in like a few thousand rounds.

>>33816945
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uH4q9x4XpIQ
Every single one of his other videos are satire
He has an entire zip gun series

>>33816950
I'll be honest, I'm having a REAL hard time with the idea of anyone firing even a thousand rounds through it

>>33805778
I shot one this weekend
Wish I could say something nice about it
I complained every step of the way

>>33807431
its like we are re-learning years of firearms design from the perspective of a madman
>zip guns are functional, but usually made from whatever shit works
>but if they're functional, then its good enough
>so lets take this "functional design" and improve upon it
>lets make a zip gun into a real gun
>without thinking to make a real gun in the first place
OHHHH GOD EVERYTHING IS SPIRALING INTO ITSELF! REALITY HAS BEEN BROKEN INTO A MILLION PIECES!

>>33815738
>Centerfire can't be made cheap enough to compete with 22lr. See: 25acp.
It can be close, economy of scale is powerful.

Consider how AR-15s were actually quite expensive when Colt had dibs on them

>>33812301


Except apparently its underpowered and also it is as expensive as 9mm ammo. Also, commercial loads are underpowered.

>>33816152
>Unless it's illegal to have a broken gun.
>Maybe it is? I've no idea.
Constructive intent? They might say the broken gun could be repaired and made into an illegal gun.

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>>33816782
Yeah, it's pretty abhorrent.

Again, reminder that this company used to make quite nice cowboy revolvers like these, and then decided that they should only make this plastic deathtrap. That's their thing now.

>>33817447
Economy of scale applies to 22lr too. Rimfire is just fundamentally simpler to manufacture. But I think rebated rim 22lr could come close enough.

>>33817516
I believe the company no longer exists anymore. I think the Zip gun killed the company, but I can't figure out why they did it. Was it corporate suicide? Some sort of insane business ploy to defraud investors somehow? I just can't wrap my mind around it.

>>33817577
That's just so fucking frustrating too, because the Rodeo revolvers were excellent. Like classic Colts with a few small internal upgrades, great fit and finish, and overall very robust build.

I wonder what happened to all the tooling and the personnel?

>>33817535
I think it could be done technically, but you'd still be facing a higher production cost, lack of compatibility with previous guns as well as any revolvers, and competing with the most established cartridge of all time, it's a very hard economy of scale to catch up to, when most everyone is kind of fine with .22LR for what it currently is. Yeah, it isn't perfect, but it's super cheap and it's low power has advantages.

>>33816664
For a good time anon, did you even read his post? He probably wants to plink and fire normally at the same time, and probably lives somewhere with good gun laws or is crazy.

>>33805778
I'm guess the appeal is thw small form-factor

>>33817613
>>33817577
I found this with some searching:

https://forums.1911forum.com/showpost.php?p=4526486&postcount=3

Goddammit, I'm fucking sad, these things go for Colt Python prices now.

>>33817827
>https://forums.1911forum.com/showpost.php?p=4526486&postcount=3
interesting. explains alot in a small article too. thanks for link

>>33812021
That would be the 22 WMR, a different cartridge entirely.

>>33805888
Thought this was the under barrel rail gun. Wtf am I even looking at. It's like a credit card knife in gun form.

>>33806691
If only it could fire more than 1-3 times before a failure to eject.

>>33812518
I don't think any of these are in Canada. It was the Ruger 10/22 pistols the RCMP got bitchy about, and it's the RCMP's fault for ignoring the law and making a false statement about the legality of magazines designed for the 10/22 rifle.

The RCMP is only in charge of enforcing law, not creating or modifying it.

>>33812563
Sally could easily notice that the blanket is no longer deformed by the ball and therefore there's a good chance she may check elsewhere first.

>>33808390
Holy shit that's fucking hilarious.

I was ready to buy this just as a curiosity but this is just embarrassing.

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>>33807271
ALL *CLAPS* GUNS *CLAPS* ARE *CLAPS* VALID

>>33816866
Do you have autism?
Can you detect satire?

>all these complaints about it being uncomfortable
isn't its supposed to be an sbr attachment?

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>>33805831

>>33806767
You really shouldn't *have* to touch one physically to know a charging handle that puts the hand in front of the barrel is moronic my dude

>>33809633
>>33808446
I for one appreciate what you did with the HK mag, got a good kek

>>33805778

It was originally connected to a real rifle, under barrel like a master key or grenade launcher.

>>33807431
>compartment for first-aid kit in the stock for when you shoot yourself in the hand working the charging rod

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>>33812079
>>33815738
>>33817447
>>33817535
>>33817656

like uhhhhh


like... say.... 5.7 FN?

because you're literally describing 5.7 and the Five-Seven pistol.


FWIW the ammo has come down in price a LOT lately.

>>33816837
>implying any context is needed to point out your autism

>>33808874
top kek

>>33816866
he lurks /k/, it's memes all the way down

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>>33805831
oh god kill it

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>>33808446
Two shots for one trigger pull you say?

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>>33818968
>Thought this was the under barrel rail gun.
It's not even legal to do that without a SBR stamp. Also I've never heard somebody clearly articulate why they'd even want such a thing in the first place.

>>33820956
No, of course not. I'm talking about rimless .22lr, straight wall, as much powder charge as a typical .22lr, and as cheap as possible.

>>33823714
AKA 25acp, but not centerfire. It'd be rebated rimfire, to make it as cheap as possible.

>>33805972
Suck a grapefruit through your asshole please

>>33823698
Wtf, that round is like that 9x39 slav(e)shit, but not actually from the pit of misery that seems to be russosphere.

Can we civilianize it?

MattV2099 got the thing to run nice. Just need half a can of WD-40. Look it up because I'm not providing the link.

>>33808446
So you did not pull 2 triggers?

>>33823766
That round is designed to have the same ballistics as a SMAW rocket. It's a spotting round, you shoot it first to see where it goes, then shoot the rocket.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spotting_rifle
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoulder-launched_Multipurpose_Assault_Weapon#Design

>>33823766
>>33823822
The same spotting rifle was used for the LAW 80:

>The spotting rifle has five rounds of ammunition, and is ballistically matched to the rocket. The rounds it uses are quite unusual, consisting of a 9 mm tracer bullet loaded in a necked up 7.62mm NATO shell casing, with a .22 Hornet blank mounted in the base of the larger case, providing the propellant charge. Upon firing, the .22 cartridge case pushes out of the back of the 7.62 mm casing, unlocking the breech of the spotting rifle in a form of primer actuation.[1] The spotting rifle on the USMC Mk.153 Mod.0 SMAW was derived from the LAW 80.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LAW_80#Description

Ain't that some shit?

>>33809040
Hold up, this might actually be a good idea. Bring the two to a pistol only range separately and bam: You can now fire a rifle!

>>33823822
Yes, but the brass could be useful. It has the rudimentary basics of mass production already laid out. There are bits to make the barrels already.

What are the dimensions? Are they derivative of, or perhaps comperable to another round?

>>33823866
I cant even imagine how the engineering team came up with that

>>33823894
Wait, you want to turn that spotting round into a gun?

>>33823906
I know right? Trial and error is my guess.

>>33823894
basic dimensions are here: >>33823866

bullet is 9mm luger (tracer)
The casing is a necked up 7.62mm NATO

>>33823938
Well, not 9mm luger, but 9mm something.

>>33820233
Woah there officer, it's just an arm brace!

>>33823766
I think the point was it could simulate rocket ballistics. Otherwise I see no point for it.

>>33823723
>>33823714
It'd almost be better to neck down .25ACP to .22 caliber, load it with typical cast .22 caliber bullets, and then try to make the ammunition as cheap as fucking possible.
It'd be somewhat more powerful than .22LR due to the neck, but it wouldn't be .22WMR or anything, so you could still do blowback actions with it, the trajectory would just be a little flatter, and arguably it'd be easier for the things feed.

If you make the casing out of aluminum, it isn't reloadable, but it's super easy to recycle for it's material's worth, as well as manufacture (with the right setup).

Or you could make the casings out of annealed steel, which isn't really as easily recyclable, but it could be reloaded, I'm wondering if there's any way to have a factory setup for reloading steelcase that's better suited and won't be quickly ruined by the material of the case. Then you'd be looking at giving people an incentive to gather up spent cases and have them sent back to you, like maybe coupons per 200rds or a lottery of some sort.

>>33824531
.25acp is too expensive. loading it necked down with 22 bullets wouldn't make it significantly cheaper at all, the expense comes from it being centerfire. Making rimfire is just fundamentally cheaper.

>>33824676
.25ACP is expensive because the market for it is really tiny these days. Compare to the price of 9mm Luger, which is bigger and yet is cheaper.

Making it rimfire seems like it would just be a chore to accomplish, and you wouldn't beat .22LR anyway.

>>33824881
I think he meant that rimfire ammunition is inherently cheaper to manufacture, not that he wanted to make .25 auto rimfire.

>>33824917
Right, rimfire is inherently cheaper then centerfire. It involves less steps to manufacture.

>>33824917
I know, but I'm saying trying to compete with .22LR at it's own game is a wasted effort, and that if you want a small caliber cartridge that can reliably feed in a double-stack, then centerfire would just be infinitely easier.

>>33805888
I've put about 1,000 rounds through mine.
I never had one ftf, or fte
This gun is far more reliable then my glock

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>>33812642
I love my tec-22

>>33825124
Even when 100% reliable it's still the stupidest gun ever created. You zipfags who defend the reliability of zip guns completely overlook everything else that is wrong with it. Probably a case of post-purchase rationalization.

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>>33825142
Worse barrel:length ratio than an MP-40

>>33825190
still fun as hell, and cheap as shit to shoot

>>33825124
>more reliable than a Glock
Doubt it, the bolt is plastic, it's gonna give way soon.

>>33825142
I like them conceptually, but Intratec always left a lot to be desired. It'll probably run fine if you put some work into them and run Stingers with BX25 mags. I wish Kel-Tec would do a remake of them.

>>33825190
It's literally a gun meant only for fun, it doesn't even have the pseudo-combat notion to it like the Tec-9 does (being based on a failed military weapon), you're just meant to blast targets and cans with the things.

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>>33825142
>>33825190
They should make the magazine hang out the side like a FG-42 or sten gun. That way they could move it back to adjacent to the grip. Ejection port on the other side, opposite of the magazine.

Kel-Tec pls respond

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>>33809040
I can't stop staring at this. It's like someone had the faint twinkle of a good idea then it just immediately imploded. Like reading the, "has anyone really been far even as decided to use..." post; you think you can almost get what they're going for but the more you look at it the less sense it makes.

>>33806305
Better, 12ga./.30-06 over under, underbarrel crossbow, zip gun below that, foregrip on zip gun. Perfect for all hunting needs.

>>33825313
Have you been hitting the vodka again, Korobov?

>>33806767
>until you've fired it, you've never fired it
people_die_when_they_are_killed.jpeg

>>33809040
>as long as you dont shoulder it its not considered a rifle until it is

>>33825313
Honestly that wouldn't be awful, .22LR isn't heavy at all, and neither is the mags, so it's not like the balance would be shifted dramatically.

Plus you could steady your hand underneath the receiver with the magwell sitting above to the right. Or maybe fit a rail under there if you want a laser or something.

>>33808446
Is this loss?

>>33805821
Oh I had one.

The bolt is plastic. There's no ejector.

I had an early model and the instructions said that if there's an unfired round in the chamber, to push the charging button and blow it out from the muzzle. No joke.

After a few mags that barely ran with CCI, I emailed the old fart at USAF that invented it. I had to get on some list where he'd send out "update kits". Couldn't just send the most advanced one, I had to go through the entire series.

Also, couldn't use regular BX mags. Had to get a "reliability kit" to put in them.

Eventually sold it off to some Mongo neckbeard who thought it was the coolest thing on earth.

>>33826446
*No extractor

>>33826458
>No extractor
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>>33805778

Why not?

>>33826483
Strictly, blowback actions will extract (and eject) on their own fairly consistently, but I think that with any modern sporting arm or military/police arm, there's no reason to not have them because they increase reliability and makes it easy to actually empty the chamber without having to pull the trigger.

The Zip has a plastic bolt though, so I could easily see why the action opens too early and fails to extract a lot, it has all the more reason to have an extractor.
Ruger 10/22 magazines I think basically have the ejector on them though.

>>33824945
Even more steps less if the manufacturers would get off their asses and make plastic rounds with electric firing. Get rid the unreliable rim primer. Primers, and primer making material can be in short supply in SHTF, and can be controlled by gub'mints.
Or for that matter go caseless with a stainless steel chamber.

I found a high KV electric supply that will ignite smokeless powder without scattering it all over in tests. There is a secret ingredient though. :}
Essentially I can make .22lr rounds for $0.01 in materials and a little time. Use the machines of industry to crank them out like CCI for about .02-0.03 each. I will post my working gun for, .25, or .32, and 9mm rounds for interchangeable barrels and chambers.
Oh, and you can eject an un-fired round without taking the thing apart.

So, if you have a 5lb bucket of powder, then get a bucket or two of lead tire weights, you are set to reload for a very, very long time.

I wouldn't build anything like what ZIP22 has going, just clunky and ergonomic. It I could only afford that, I would use it to defend or hunt, but there are better ways to spend money.

>>33827033
I am testing with no less than 2000 rounds per revision, but this thing hasn't developed the overheating, cooking off ammo problem.
It's not going to be a cuckoo clock mechanism like the G11 kraut space magic device.

>>33826689
Two grips? Looks like an AOW to me. Say goodbye to doggo.

>>33827033
I think a hammer striking a piezoelectric element would be the best way to do this. The way BBQ grill lighters work. No batteries required.

>>33820956
it's twice as expensive as AK food. fuck that.

>>33808874
Tip top kek.

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>>33829107
Haven't seen you in a while.

Mourn the USFA wheelguns with me brother.

>>33827165
Nope, not hot enough of a spark, doesn't last long enough to really heat up the graphite coating on smokeless. It sorta works with fuel air potato guns, but not reliably. Maybe black powder on a dry cartridge, but what about water?
http://www.ctmuzzleloaders.com/ctml_experiments/sparks/sparks.html

>>33827165
Batteries like Lion can be recharged for 5000 shots in a jiffy. Put a 4V solar panel on the side of the rifle stock. Or just carry a hand crank generator for fun once a month.

>>33829767
Hmm, unfortunate.
>>33829809
That's more delicate than I'd like. A handle-crank built into the back of the stock could be pretty aesthetic though...

>>33809397
What the fuck is even going on

>>33805778
Alright, so get this
>The year is 2045
>Gun control has shut down the arms industry
>All privately-owned guns are either confiscated or in the hands of criminals
>So what's a law-abiding citizen to do?
>Buy a cheap $100 3d printer, because it's the future, and print yourself a basic gun
>You make it cheap and functional
>Well, not super functional, but the government spies on your printing records so you have to cut corners to avoid detection
>It may not be much, but it fires special explosive future-bullets
>Tipped with some future-alloy, they can only penetrate flesh a few inches, but when they lose velocity, the explode and send jagged shards of radioactive metal throughout the body
>Not the greatest weapon, admittedly, but even a flesh wound means radiation poisoning
>Your first test fire ends when all the bullets blow up in the magazine
>On the plus side, you no longer have to worry about having kids

>>33830440
But the USFA Zip isn't even printed.

It may look as retarded as a printed plastic gun, but it's conventional manufactured.

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>>33826446
>instructions said that if there's an unfired round in the chamber, to push the charging button and
>blow it out from the muzzle