AEK-971 vs AK-107

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The AK-12 has good ergonomics and the AK-107 could have had a similar upgrade.

AEK is good looking

>>33807516
It does win over the 107 with the aesthetics.

>>33807516
The recoil on both of them is supposed to be super low.

>>33805599
In the end, everything comes down to cost of manufacturing. That being said, my personal opinion on both is that they're overly complicated because of the counter-recoil system. The AK-74 has very low recoil, but lacks the power of 7.62x39. Always a trade-off there, but a consideration would be the anticipated engagement range of the upcoming conflict. Urban combatants would most likely opt for lighter recoil and higher cyclic fire rate, but for longer, conventional engagement would pick a 7.62 and its ability to maintain kinetic energy.

>>33808712
I only mention the 74 because it fires the same 5.45 round as the 971 and 107

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But 107 is not even on the table. The current contenders are A-545 and AK-15. More than likely the army will just adopt 74M3 while limited batch of 545 will be issued for SOF, GRU and FSB.

I would think the AK-109 would be an obvious choice, along with a decent muzzle device.

>>33809025
then again just use some decent ammo with penetrator cores and you get similar affects i guess

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>>33805599
AEK have better shots grouping for more rate of fire. So I personally go for it
>tfw you never get it

>>33808712
>but for longer, conventional engagement would pick a 7.62 and its ability to maintain kinetic energy.
Man...stupid out in force today.

AEK is uglier and has recoil while the AK-107 looks cool and has virtually no recoil

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>>33811362
where did you derive this knowledge, battlefield 3?

>>33811446
No, snickers tactical

>>33811013
Are you claiming to want a smaller, less powerful round to engage at a longer distance?

>>33809014
It's not? Well what makes it worse than the AEK-971?

>>33813599
No rails
Expensive to make even though the rest of the gun is basically a regular AK. If they're going to pay that much for a new gun, they might as well overhaul everything

how many AK74 replacements have they adopted now ? 8 ?

>>33813658

It's only like the US and their attempts to replace the M16. They always end up adopting another upgraded M16.

Like how the new AK-12 went from a completely redesigned gun to what is basically an upgraded AK-74M.

>>33813634
>They might as well overhaul everything
Well, how different is the AEK-971 from the AK-107? What non-AK features does it have other than the obvious gas system?

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>>33813783
It's as much of an AK as a G36 is a AR-18. Similar basic operating system, but the construction and ergonomics are completely different. The fire control group has ambi controls that can be manipulated by thumb and is separate from the lower receiver like a G3/MP5. The dust cover is now integrated into the upper receiver and doesn't wobble around like the AK's, so it can have a top rail that doesn't need some weird clamping mechanism to keep it from losing zero

>>33813538
Stupid out in force.

>>33813939
Can you still remove the dust cover? Also I see, it still has the basic AK functions, but with a huge external ergonomics upgrade that even the AK-107 couldn't have done. Nice, I hope the didn't give up reliability, but knowing the Russians, they probably made sure it was reliable.

>>33808712
There is an AEK variant that shoots 7.62x39.

>>33811362
You've never seen, held, smelled, or shot either so go back to your xbox kiddo

>>33816327
He doesn't have to actually shoot it to know it. There are plenty of videos and articles indicating that.

>>33805599
the aek-971 is very good for close quarters combat especially with the kobra sight because of it's high rate of fire. not sure about the ak-107 though bf4 didnt have one of those

>>33816352
Kek, nice b8 m8

>>33808712
It's a second piston that moves to the front, it's not fucking complicated. If you squirt lube on the piston you will get lube on the counterweight and everything should work out just fine. It's not like molding two holes in the gas tap is going to affect reliability.

>>33809014

Damn sexy rifle.

Looks like an AK74M and an MP5 got together and had a baby.

>>33813538

The M43 round drops like a stone past 300m.

When you mention 7.62, are you referring to something along the lines of the 54r or NATO cartridge? If so, then yes, they are better choices for longer range engagements, at the cost of not being able to carry as much ammo for the weight.

The 5.45 round is no slouch, especially good for longer range engagements for a carbine round, using something like the 7n22 or 7n24 loading.

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>>33815977
It looks like the upper receiver is now 1 piece, so it's not really a dust cover anymore

>>33818404
>The AK-74 has very low recoil, but lacks the power of 7.62x39. Always a trade-off there, but a consideration would be the anticipated engagement range of the upcoming conflict.
No, he thinks 7.62x39 is better for longer ranges

>>33808712
>higher cyclic rate
Studies recently showed that a lower cyclic rate is superior. A higher cyclic rate would lead to the weapon being an annoyance to maintain on target and would also result in more ammunition expended on a singular target without being able to reliably hit them, not to mention that said recoil can disorient the shooter from its line of sight (At least for irons, dunno about optics and reflex sights). A lower cyclic rate helps the shooter manage the recoil reliably, allowing him to place more rounds into the target than missing it, and also reduce the amount of ammunition expended in the period of time, saving more of it. Lastl, the shooter won't be as disoriented when aiming down sights.

>>33820055
Fuck you, I'll love the 1000-rpm 3-round burst in the AK-12 if i want to, even though it's not a part of the conversation

>>33819928
I can see why they have qualms about adopting these. The trigger guard does not look snowmittens friendly.

>>33820055
Well, going too low means you actually have to spend a longer time keeping it on target for the same amount of rounds. A quicker burst with well tuned recoil compensation might be able to put the salvo where it needs to be before things (you, him, the rifle, other obstacles) start to move.

Faster cyclic rates are also better at putting down opponents in room to room fighting, doing the other guy in with 5 rounds before he has a chance to fire off all of his 5.

>>33820055
>Studies recently showed
link or gtfo

>>33819928
Fucking Russians come up with crazy ideas but can never get the execution quite right.

>>33819928
Honestly I think a adjustable folding stock would be the best bet for this. The only reason I can see why they don't want to adopt this is potential costs, retooling, heat issues, and maybe some balancing issues. It looks pretty front heavy and top heavy. I think a proper stock would fix that,

>>33820543
>The trigger guard does not look snowmittens friendly.
It's as easy as having a hinge on the the end with the grip and then a small clicky bitty thing on the other end so it'll hinge ope for gloves, plu they can just open up the trigger guard down a bit.

>>33805786
this is fake news

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>>33809014
your post is filled with missiformation

the current contender are AK-12 again A-545 and AK-15 again A-762, AK-15 is and AK-12 chamber for 7.62x39

they drop the AK-74M3 instead they adopted the AK-74 and AK-103 with KM-AK kit

AK-74 KM-AK are in service with the VDV, Naval Infantry and the Rosgvardiya

AK-103 KM-AK have in seen with SSO in Palmyra

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>>33813658
they are not replacing the AK-74
but upgrade them with pic related

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>>33820889
Why not this?

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>>33821113
because it just a Photoshop render

also this is the new AK-12

>>33821118
Considering what I put together was an A-545/762 with an AK-12/14/15/whatever stock...

>>33821126
>>33821118
And the A-545/762 was ergonomically superior, potentially lighter, and with a full stock like that on the AK-12, well balanced...

>>33821118
That's AK-400

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>>33821126
>>33821129
the Russian Army don't give a flying fuck about stock ergonomic
pic related

>>33821130
the AK-400 was renamed AK-15

the 5.45 AK-400 was renamed AK-12

the original AK-12 is dead

>>33821138
>the Russian Army don't give a flying fuck about stock ergonomic
>pic related
I think the A-545's selector and the grip being close enough to the magazine realize to actuate it with the trigger finger or middle finger without having some goofy extension that will break off or get caught on stuff. I think the two big issues with the A-545 are the stock and the rear sight both of which are easily "replaceable" with the AK-12 (now AK-400) rear sight and the AK-12 stock (not that buffer tube inspired shit)

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>>33821138
>the original AK-12 is dead

Is Kalashnikov incompetent? I bet pic related will die too because Russians are useless at everything.

>>33821156
It's funny too because all those AK-74m rifles are inches towards the end of their service lives, so either they need to buy more, finally decide on a new service rifle, or they're going to start dipping into Soviet era reserves of old AK-74 and AKS-74 rifles.

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>>33821151
while i agree that the old AK-12 stock is a better choice

i still think the buffer tude stock is a more better stock for mass produce. they already make thousands of this stock

their R&D been making a lot process in stock design, but without a state contract, they will be waste
>>33821156
they already adopted the SVDM

that rifle will be dead in a couple of years

>>33821164
they are doing that right now
vk *dot* com *slash* wall-21639492_5402

>>33821138
Second dude's radio looks like he has a wire up his nose.

>>33821138
>>33821156
You'd think that one of their goals on the next generation of service rifle would be to seal it up a bit. The A-545/762 seems like the best candidate for that with the lower type assembly. It just needs some sort of AR like dust cover and a left side charging handle with an FNC/similar dust cover

>>33821176
The tube stock is weak though. A hollow steel, polymer, or aluminum tube is stupid.

>>33820791
The problem is that the mag release latch is in the way. There needs to be some space for it to move. I can see how it might be pushed downwards to give more room for a bigger guard but it doesn't look like a simple geometry change.

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>>33821208
still better than the old stock

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>>33821247
If it's set back far enough and low enough it'd be fine.

>>33821302
>when the American "copy" has a better quality stock than the Russian original
Wew

>>33811446
no eye or earpro. wtf...

>>33805599
>AK-107
It's a model for civilian market.

>>33821339
That's some former VDV guy that sings and fought in Chechnya and Eastern Ukraine. Probably has no hearing anymore.

>>33820889
Adopting two rifles chambered in two different rounds sounds like logistical nightmare.

>>33821339
>wearing eye pro when you don't have to
lmao

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>>33821497
regular unit only use 5.45

reconnaissance and Special operation force use revery thing, but they often use 7.62x39

>>33822033
The Finns still use 7.62x39.

>>33811446
>where did you derive this knowledge, battlefield 3?

that's where everyone learned about these guns, and that's also where everyone learned russia is going to use them

>>33821312
>Hobbyist American product is better than poorfag mass produced slavshit made as cheaply as possible
How suprising

>>33821138
AK-15 is the 7.62x39 AK-12

>>33811013
>>33813538
Stupid is as stupid posts