Decisions Have Consequences

https://www.BOOK OF FACES.com/SpringfieldArmoryUSA/reviews/?_fb_noscript=1

>>33802572
Screenshot nigger.

>>33802572
>"the chan"
>posting about facebook

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>>33802589
Kek

>>33802589
This.
Also a little backstory on why people have decided to hate SA would probably help this abortion of a thread.

What exactly the fuck is the issue? What did they DO? Stop pretending we're all members of your sekrit club, nigger.

>>33802605
SA and RRA going all S&W.

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2017/04/john-boch/springfield-armory-rock-river-arms-trade-opposition-to-illinois-ffl-licensing-scheme-for-carve-out/

What the fuck did they do?

>>33802614
It's no secret if you follow any gun forums/blogs other than /k/ apparently. You guys are behind. Catch the fuck up.

>>33802634
There are forums other than /k/?

Thread at arfcom:

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1988839_Springfield-and-RRA-make-a-deal-with-gun-banners-in-IL-.html

>>33802614
I've been gone for a few months and see Phil is still just as annoying and fucking dumb as before

Who cares xd line is garbage anyway.

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>>33802625
>Mfw reading this news

>>33802572
Oh cool, I should be able to pick up a couple XD-M's for pretty cheap now.

>Earlier today, the Illinois State Senate passed bill SB-1657 by a one-vote margin. While its prospects are still unsure in the House, if signed by Governor Bruce Rauner, the new law will mandate state licensing for all Illinois gun dealers. It will also restrict all others in Illinois to nine firearm transfers per year.

>The lobbyist for the Illinois Firearms Manufacturers Association (IFMA), Jay Keller, traded that group’s opposition to the bill in exchange for a carve-out, removing Prairie State firearms manufacturers from the licensing requirements.

>Two companies provide the bulk of the funding for IFMA: Springfield Armory and Rock River Arms.

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>>33802654

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>>33802666
fuck those faggots

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>>33802572

They forgot about this mans mistake

>>33802625
Jesus.

>>33802666
Springfield CEO statement:
“The legislative process is a fluid process. The bill has only moved through one chamber, and it is still in the process. We fully support the Second Amendment and stand by it. The Illinois Manufacturers Association will continue to fight and protect not only manufacturers, but dealers and the gun owner as well.”

tldr: my head is up my ass, fuck IL gun owners and dealers

>>33802625
Isn't this stupidly redundant with the existence of FFLs?

>>33802956
it adds another layer of government bureaucracy so that they can collect more money

>>33802927
Have no fear he gonna learn.

I don't know how much money those British twats lost when they had to sell S&W for like 15mil after they sucked Clinton's dick but it was a lot.

If they get hit as bad as S&W did it would have been cheaper to move the company to a free state than to suck IL govt dick.

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>Illinois is tax and spend Democrat strong hold
>they see that the Fed collects from firearm dealers just for existing
>whoa that's money I could hand out to my unemployable voting masses, let's literally do the same thing

It's why I love fags who say we should legalize weed here.

>hurr durr look at the tax money Colorado just made
>implying they'll pay off debt instead of instantly handing it out

Fuck this state

>>33802968
We haven't even had a fucking State Budget for the last three years. Revenue collection can only happen when we know how much we even need to start collecting. All this law is for is so five cunts from Cook County can form a licensing board and arbitrarily deny FFLs from getting state approval.

>>33803130
well, stop enabling and feeding the .gov then? ppl need to go on welfare and stop working for the vampires. use the system to fuck the system.

>>33803171
If the state doesn't have a budget, do you think they really care how much money you drain from them? Would they even know? Besides, the pension bomb is about to go off to the same effect.

>>33803171
>become a government slave to beat the government
>implying they don't want everyone to be dependent on the government so they have maximum control

congrats, you played yourself

>>33803298
how am I a slave if I stop paying taxes and instead live on the dole?

>>33803085
>be angry redneck who hates the US
>grab gun
>go innawoods
>dont show up for court
>murder federal marshall


>be angry redneck who hates the US
>grab gun
>go innawoods
>mail bombs to random people

>be angry redneck who hates US
>grab gun
>go innafarm
>bomb ATF

Anti government /k/ommandos cost the taxpayer a lot more than lifetime welfare for 1000 Chicago blacks.

>>33803397
because you have to suck government dick to survive

>>33803409
What the hell are you even doing on this site?

>>33803409
you're a retard

>>33803409
Don't forget the time when a crazy cult in Texas were being raised by the atf because they had illegal gun parts, oh wait

Well. my next 1911 is going to be a Wilson.
Was going to be an EMP but fuck that

>>33802666
>Debating on weather I should save my good goy bucks to save up for an LRB M14 or be a basic bitch and get an M1A
>See this
Fuck Them

>>33803409

They really need to stop paying college kids to make these posts.

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>Purchased a Glock over an XD less than a month ago.

I see I made the right choice again.

Well I guess I'm getting a shield over the XDs and not getting the da/SA single stack now.

I've been waiting so long for a da/sa single stack too. Fuck.

https://www.BOOK OF FACES.com/pages/Rock-River-Arms/122829987773366

rflmao

>>33803618
Anyone who changes what gun they are/were going to carry over politics, is stupid.

>>33803697
spotted the SAI employee

>>33803697
Why? There are too many excellent carry guns to support stupid imbeciles. They will learn from their fuckups like S&W, colt and Ruger.

Youre stupid if you support this behavior.

>>33803411
Lol no you don't

>>33803728
oh yeah suck my big fat government cock

if you suck hard enough a welfare check comes out

>>33803697
anyone who doesn't understand how to vote with their dollars is more stupid

>>33803714
Becauseyou could always buy a used gun, which in no way gives money to the company.

Even still, we are talking about something that you are trusting your life with, politics shouldnt even come into play. I carry a kahr even though I think the owners are in a creepy cult.

>>33803697
lol fucking fag good thing the gun market is as competitive as it is

nobody will miss springfield if it fell off the face of the earth

>>33803697
here let me break it down for stupid people like you

if a company does something you don't like and you keep giving them money then they have no incentive to change

if you stop giving them money then they will hopefully understand that their politics need to change

>>33803753
I wonder if they can get a factory in Croatia to build them a time machine?

>>33803759
>all these autists too stupid to understand the used market

>>33803748
My point is there are multiple guns you can trust why would you buy one from a shit company? The shield is honestly probably a more reliable firearm than the XD series anyway.

>>33803769
if you buy a used Springfield you better not buy any new first party accessories or replacement parts because that's another thing they make money on

>>33803813
Why would you? The XDs are perfect and need nothing more.

>>33803852
>XD
>Perfect
spotted the poorfag

>>33803769
Springfield guns suck balls anyway. XDs are for newfags and tards who don't know better.

>>33803409
Wow. Every time from now on I see somebody fuck up greentexting I'll think of this post, because if someone with a sub-50 IQ like you can figure it out, then they have no excuse.

>>33803738
This.

Springfield's gonna be wishing they had a GRIP ZONE to grab onto as they fall over a financial cliff into oblivion if word of this spreads to everyone. For the first time in almost a decade pro-gun people are on the offensive, and they let this slide? They can get fucked.

Fuck springfield and fuck their overpriced mystery meat 1911s.

>>33803852

XD is just a Croatian pistol with Springfield logo etched on it.

>implying XDms and XDs(s) aren't alright guns.

>>33803697

The market right now is absolutely oversaturated with perfectly viable carry guns in all price brackets.
You absolutely don't have to suck it up when Springfield and RRA take a shit on gun rights, because nothing they make is in any way special or without alternative.
I'd say the opposite is true - anyone who keeps buying from firearms companies that undermine 2ndA for their own benefit, is a terminally cucked retard.

>>33803765

SAVAGE

>>33803882
lol you got a good point
>I was starting to wonder when someone would point it out

>>33804154

When they first came to the market as HS2000 for like $200, nobody wanted them.
Then Rebrandingfield put their logo on it, doubled the price and middle aged normies suddenly couldn't stop spontaneously ejaculating over the grip safety.

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>>33803409

>>33802679
It's not like the second-hand market really helps manufacturers. He buys them cheap, original owners go off and buy other brands. As long as new units gather dust in the fun stores.

>tfw really liked the springfield range officer I rented
>tfw was gonna buy one
>tfw now this bullshit

good substitutes, anons?

>>33804420
Buy used you ignorant retard.

Then buy a single bullet and kill yourself.

>>33804354
The HS2000 and XD aren't exactly the same gun. The XDM and XDS aren't exactly the same gun as the XD and certainly aren't the same as the HS2000.

Rebrandingfield as you call them seriously evolved the design producing a notably more reliable and ergonomic end product with increased capacity. If you can't understand why somebody might prefer a gun with 19+1 capacity, a grip safety, a match barrel, and significantly different aesthetic over a glock 17 then i don't really know what to say.

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>>33802572

They just took down all reviews on their Facebook.
GG, Springshit.

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>>33804413

No my good sir you misunderstand. He is a faggot for wanting an XD at all.

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>>33804455

GRIP ZONE
GRIP ZONE
>GRIP ZONE
GRIP ZONE
>GRIP ZONE
GRIP ZONE
GRIP ZONE
GRIP ZONE

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>>33804455
Can't stop the signal. Dey is fuxxored.

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>>33802572
>Springfield Armory's facebook BTFO
>facebook
>giving a shit about anything on facebook

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>>33804526

>not reading the rest of the thread to see how deep the rabbit hole goes

>>33804420
S&W SW1911 E Series

>>33804551
not my fault OP didn't give any context in his thread, normally I just hide shit like this

>>33804526
>not recognizing the potential of normie media

Posting dank memes on /k/ is cool and everything but isn't going to get noticed by anyone but other basement dwellers.
When normies flock to a company's social media pages to throw hissy fits, they know they fucked up.

>>33804526
Facebook must be irrelevant because

>>33804455
>They just took down all reviews on their Facebook.
>GG, Springshit.

Oh right....

>>33804586
thanks!

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>>33803765

>>33803409
>>>/leftypol/

>>33802751
Bill is dead and the company has spent the past decade making up for his bullshit.

>>33803409
If that second example is supposed to be the unabomber you're so far off that it's embarrassing. The guy was a mathematical prodigy, youngest professor in the history of his university. He literally solved an unsolvable math problem. He was a shit teacher though, and what else does a mathematician do? So he was destitute. Decided he was unhappy because he was unfulfilled. De

>>33805142
cided that he was unfulfilled because society and tech sucks ass. Decided pipe bombs made of wood could make us throw away all of our computers and be spear chuckers again

>>33805155
>>33805142
Just because he was clever doesn't mean he wasn't also a fucking madman.

Can someone TL/DR why this law will be a bad thing? Is it going to make it harder for Illinois gun dealers to do business?

>>33805199
are you fucking dumb or something

>>33803697
No its like paying to see movies from gun grabers. Your giving your buc/k/s to some one who will spends them on limiting your freedom.
Tards like you are why Weinstein movies sell then spend money and publicity to remove our freedoms

Its not dumb its good self preservation

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>>33805199

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>>33805196
Oh no I'm saying he was fucking out of it for sure, wooden pipe bombs? Come on nigga you supposed to be smart. But to call him an angry redneck?

>wrong

>>33803578
You still made a wrong choice for not getting a SIG P320

>>33802614
tldr; they pushed for a bill where you are restricted to buying only 9 guns a year in Illinois, but carved out exemptions for themselves and certain types of FFLs.

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I was actually planning on picking up a Springfield loaded.

Fuck Springfield, fuck their Croatian Tupperware and Hillary Hole mainspring housings.

I'll be buying a Colt instead

>>33803697
found the spineless jellyfish with no principles

if you dont stand for something, as the old saying goes, you'll fall for anything

>>33805023
>doesn't even read the text on the pic.
do you have to be reminded to breathe?

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>>33802634
>going to websites other than 4chan

>>33803171
The state is run by Madigan in state congress. Man rules like a king and fucks everything over and he's stuck in deep Chicago area so the only way he can be dethroned is by dying or retires.

Daily reminder HK was the only manufacturer to fight the AWB.

>>33803765
dayum.

>>33804441
>aren't the same as the HS2000.
yes they are.

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>>33802634
>non-anonymous places on the interwebs

>>33805199
NINE. GUNS. A. YEAR.

>>33807164
>four chins is anonymous
I bet you're the idiot who can't understand why thread IDs stop samefags.

>>33807170
Yeah bullshit, thats not stopping anything but collecting. Fucks over people who finds good deals.
They must hate sales tax

>>33803869
yep, this

>>33803578
Happy to have made the same decision

>>33807193
No I just don't want a fucking THIS GUY IS CALLED SUPER1337OPER8R AND HE POSTED 9001 TIMES HERE AND LOOK HOW COOL HIS MOLON LABE SIGNATURE IS next to every fucking post.

>>33802751
YOU WERE THE CHOSEN ONE!!! YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO DESTROY THE NFA, NOT ENTRENCH IT!!!

>>33807118
HK has been so misunderstood for so many years ;_______;

>we suck and they hate us

but really

>terrible post WWII import laws
>no full scale USA factory
>amazing customer service
>support for 3rd party distributors of parts and accessories

HK - the friend you thought was an enemy

>>33807170
So? I buy one or two guns a year

>>33807321
>HK - the friend you thought was an enemy

>$50 mags

Please. They're not that bad, but they're not that good.

>>33807361
>$45 mags

FN mags are the same price, but FN pistols die at 15,000 rounds (the factory recommended service round count for an HK) and literally hate you, no one yells at them though, just sayin....

>>33807361
They're the only company that told the ATF to fuck off when they challenged manufacturers to explain why they should be able to export their "non-sporting" firearms to the US.

>>33807218
The ID's change every thread, you child-fucking useless idiot.

>>33807472
I'm talking about forums you goddamn retard.

How is this RRA and SA's fault? Just because they made donations to the IFMA 3 years ago?

>>33802625

WELP LOOKS LIKE I'LL BE TALKING MAD SHIT FOR DAAAAYS

and thanks for the link, I had no idea about what the op was on about

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>>33805196
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/longterm/unabomber/manifesto.text.htm
Have you read his manifesto, "Industrial Society and Its Future"?
He makes a lot of really well-thought out points that deserve consideration.

>>33807581
put your trip back on, I've got your IP cornered bud

>>33807549
This Keller guy Is apparently super involved with SA. I mean deep.

Go read the arfcom thread. More knowledge there, also Rob Ski had a vid on this.

>>33807335
>Shall not be infringed

>>33803656
They deleted all their reviews.

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>>33804441
>I totally don't work for Springfield, I swear!

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>>33807679
you wot m8

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>>33802572

SA is fucking shit that nobody but wannabe cholo gangsters will touch anyway, why would anybody else still buy them?

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Anyone want to sell me a springfield Range Officer 1911 for 300 dollars? I'm afraid it's the most I can pay in these treacherous times. You wouldn't want the product of an unconstitutional company on your hands do you?

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>>33807844

>>33807581
A little bit of weasel speak, but overall pgood points.

Who is the we?

>>33807896
If I had been dumb enough to buy a SA in the first place, I would not want it to blemish anyone else's soul. Therefore, I would do the only thing imaginable and literally blow up the fucking worthless overpriced sweatshop made pieces of shit

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>>33804441

>capitalizing "Rebrandingfield" but not "glock"

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>>33808032
"Freedom Club", his nom de guerre.
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/ted-kaczynski-the-communiques-of-freedom-club-ted-kaczynski

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>>33802751
FUCK YOU BILL RUGER. YOU ARE THE PATRON SAINT OF FUDDS AND FOR THIS THE /k/UBE WILL CONDEMN YOUR SOUL TO THE ETERNITY OF HI POINT HELL.

>>33808032
classically educated authors use the plural to avoid using "I" and sounding like an arrogant prick all the time.

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>>33805020
/leftycuck/ here, Fuck you we don't want him either. Alphabet mobsters and useless niggers waste money that could be spent on educating the masses and funding scientific development in the field of making anime real.

>The lobbyist for the Illinois Firearms Manufacturers Association (IFMA), Jay Keller, traded that group’s opposition to the bill in exchange for a carve-out, removing Prairie State firearms manufacturers from the licensing requirements.

>lobbyist....Jay Keller

>Jay Keller

someone kill this asshole

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>>33802751
>my name is phonetically similar to his
>has a few specific spelling differences
>makes no difference
>still get those looks when I confirm my name in gun stores

FUCK YOU, BILL RUGER

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Well I guess I have to upgrade now. Anyone have experience with Rockola?

>>33808687
Hk

>>33802572
>tfw i was going to get an XDs for my first CC
>tfw ive spent literally months poring over every CCW, deciding what my favorite is, and chose the XDs
>tfw Springfield pulls this shit
Fucking why

You know what fuck you all, im getting one anyway

>>33809428
just get one second hand you'll be fine also:
>incoming price drop 3 2 1....

>>33803464
razed.

>>33808568

phil luger?

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>>33802603
Look at all the fake outrage. Wow, some asshole was so mad, he sold his guns, he sure showed them.
Like anyone gives 2 fucks what happens in Illinois. That state is already a liberal shit hole. If Springfield and Rock River are doing what is best to keep their people employed and to be able to sell their guns nation wide, then they made the right decision. Most the people bashing those companies wouldn't buy their products anyways and are just expressing fake outrage. Want fair gun treatment? Stay out of States like California, Illinois, New York, Maryland, New Jersey, Etc...
This has way more to do with voters than it does gun companies. Don't like the law? Contact the damn legislators. Instead, they'll post a 1 star rating on Facebook against a gun company and think they accomplished something. Maybe you can say something mean on Twitter. God gun owners are such mindless idiots that divide and conquer themselves. Just like how all those open carry faggots fucked up carrying guns into Whataburger, Starbucks, Chipolte, and many other companies. Once again, you sure showed those companies.

>>33807059
>I'll be buying a Colt instead

Colt pulls this kind of shit on a regular basis. During the first AWB they took the Clinton dick deeper than either Ruger or Lewinsky.
Why don't you from someone who doesn't hate freedom?

>>33809620
is this autism defenders, troll, or SA panic hiring people to stomp the fires out?

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It doesn't make any sense. We have a pro-gun President, a pro-gun majority Supreme Court, a Republican dominated government and a galvanized gun community the nation over.

where the FUCK did SA and RRA think that this was in any way a good idea? And if this bill doesn't work out the whole debacle is still going to linger with them for years to come.

>>33809620
>hurrr gun companies can afford to alienate gun owners just fine

Yeah, they can totally get shrug this off, it's not like that's where they get most of their business or where they market most of their products.
Springfield is such a huge LEO supplier, after all... not.
Nice damage control, though SIDF.

>"Defend Your Legacy"

kek

>>33809620
Viral social media campaigning is literally the perfect way to exert pressure on companies in this day and age.
It might sound pathetic but it's true.>

>God gun owners are such mindless idiots that divide and conquer themselves.
Are you retarded? The only one doing the dividing in this case is Springfield by throwing everyone else overboard in exchange for a carve-out. How is calling them out on it "dividing" anyone?

So this thread has me thinking...

If we don't have one already, some group of /k/ommandos should make an infographic listing those firearms manufacturers who have gone tot he dark side and done something blatantly anti-guns, so that people can be aware?

Are there any other examples? We can just collect them all in this thread to get things started.

>>33809884
Sure.

Dark side
>everyone

Good side
>glock
>hk

>>33809892

DD is pretty good, too.
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/06/16/breaking-daniel-defense-terminates-agreement-academy-sports-no-guns-us/

Also Magpul isn't a firearms manufacturer per se, but they GTFO Colorado after they went full retard.

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>>33802625
Wait, so this only affects people in Illinois?

>>33809620
>Don't like the law? Contact the damn legislators. Instead, they'll post a 1 star rating on Facebook against a gun company

Springfield and Rock River sold out the community to pander to anti-gun legislators to have gun control laws written to their own favor, against their competition's and the consumer's favor. It's one thing to contact your legislator -- it's another thing when a company which ostensibly supports you contacts them on your behalf and effectively backstabs you.

Companies like this must either repent or perish. Ruger washed their hands of Bill "No Honest Man" Ruger and now they're one of the best manufacturers in the US - after many, many years of suffering before they realized what they had to do.
Smith and Wesson, meanwhile, threw us all under the bus when they pandered to the Clinton Administration. They nearly went out of business - their only saving grace was that a fucking lock company bought them and keeps that rotting zombie of a brand alive through gov't contacts and licensing the name out to shitty knife and watch makers.
Colt, as unapologetic as ever for every one of their sins, is like watching a train wreck in slow motion. With the life support of juicy government contracts running dry, how long do you think before they have to whore themselves out to Freedom Group to stay alive?
How about H&K? Small wonder that their market share in the US is a fraction of a percent. Could it have something to do with them being as rabidly anti civilian gun ownership as a gun manufacturer could possibly get?

It's your, my, and everyone else's right to vote with dollars, in addition to casting ballots and writing to our legislators. When a business makes it clear that they're no friends of ours, it's our right and our responsibility to return the favor.

Springfield and Rock River can both rot. Good riddance.

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>>33809620

>>33808568
I'm surprised you haven't met anyone who was ignorant to Bill's shitty dealings and, as such, congratulated you on being related to a firearms giant.

>>33803765
spicy

>>33809620
>Most the people bashing those companies wouldn't buy their products anyways and are just expressing fake outrage.
I'm in the market for a small carry pistol, and was considering an XD of some sort (since I enjoy my Spring 1911 so much).

I'm really not interested in supporting a company that will throw it's customers under the bus to save themselves. I won't sell the gun I have, but I'm no longer looking to buy more of their brand.

>>33809921
Damn, thanks dude. DD has been added to the list of shit to buy.

>>33808568

'sup, Bill Redder, thanks for the dank maymays on fasbuk. :^)

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>Gun company does something stupid
>Gun owners boycott
>Gun company goes out of business
>Gun hating liberals win
Gotta love Chicago politics.

>>33810013
>everyone is out of business but hk
Not even a bad thing.

>>33810013
>sellout gun companies go out of a business
>on a market that is absolutely oversaturated with the kind of guns the companies were making
>the other companies that absorb the sellout company's market share will learn from their mistakes
>new, less shit businesses can grow on the graves of crooked giants like Colt, Springfield and S&W

I see no problem here.

>>33810013
>Gun company backstabs gun owners
>gun owners ok with this
>More companies sell out
>Resistance to gun laws crumbles
>australia.exe has been initialized
>gun hating liberals... lose... somehow?

Sort of related to Springfield, why doesn't Ruger make a Normal-14 in .308?

>>33810057
They honestly tried, they were cracking so it got canceled.

>>33810057
Because of springfield? Pretty sure that would just be an M1A, which they have the rights to.

Not that that's whats stopping norinco. Fucking lucky canucks.

>>33809884
>>33809892

S&W (Hillary Holes and support for Clinton anti-fun legislation), Colt ("Restricted for Military/Government Law Enforcement Use Only"), H&K ("You're a civilian? Fuck you, you can't have it) -- and now Springfield and RRA are on my shitlist. If you're exceptionally unforgiving, you can add Ruger to that list too -- but they've come leaps and bounds since old "No Honest Man" Bill croaked.

On the other end of the spectrum, you have companies like Sig Sauer with the Sig Brace and Franklin Armory with the binary trigger, going the extra mile to troll the ATF and win back some of our rights.

>>33810072

The M14 patent expired years ago.
"M1A" is a name made up by Springfield.
It isn't to the M14 what AR15 is to the M16

>>33807894
Well now I have to go masturbate.

Are you happy?

>>33809925
>firearm manufacturers whoring out to gun-grabbers is okay when they're not doing it in my state!
>yet

Brainlets pls leave this place.

>>33809947
>How about H&K? Small wonder that their market share in the US is a fraction of a percent. Could it have something to do with them being as rabidly anti civilian gun ownership as a gun manufacturer could possibly get?


HK was the only company to reject the AWB in the 90s.

the german government are gigantic cucked asshiles that dont let HK do anything

Why is it that every other thread this has to be explained?

or do you just irrationally hate HK because they're expensive and you're a poorfag?

or maybe you're just here to sow dissent within the firearms community.

>>33807361
Unless your gun is a glock or is supported by Mecgar, you are going to pay a lot for mags. Luckily this isn't a video game and we actually own guns so we know that a 200 dollar investment on 4 extra mags isn't that big of a deal in the long run.

>>33810497

This.

The reason we aren't allowed to have HK fun are shitty German laws.
But HK reps are still condescending dipshits when you ask them about anything out of their civilian line that isn't a handgun.

t. Czech serviceman that attended an HK promotion during a NATO shooting competition and made the mistake of asking them about whether they'd be releasing a full sized version of the SP5k later on.

>>33809947
>Could it have something to do with them being as rabidly anti civilian gun ownership as a gun manufacturer could possibly get?

Except they aren't, and now we know that your knowledge is based on nothing but stupid memes regurgitated by these other idiots.

>>33810153
HK has never said we can't have certains guns, their owners (socialist Germany) said we can't.

>>33807844
>those three goals
>cogent
>making sense
Here's a hard goal for you (I define 'hard' by the fact that about 95% of people will never attain this):

Get a rippling set of abs.

Pro tip, this isn't even hard, /fit/ has a retards' guide for it. Go ahead, I'll wait. You see, the goals are out there, it's your fucking job to find them and attain them. If you're too stupid or listless to do so, it's not my problem, but don't try to make it the centerpiece of a retarded ideology to bomb other people over.

>>33810690
This, I thought the unabomber was supposed to be smart

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>>33810690
>stop eating so much
>go to the gym semi-regularly (if you want)
That's a goal you can attain with minimal effort, and also a surrogate activity that people only invest time into because civilization deprives them of meaningful goals to pursue.
At least read ISAIF before trying to be clever about it.

>>33810722
>it only counts if I say so
Why not just become rich or try to solve one of those math problems no one solved yet? Or are those pointless to you, too?

>>33810722
No, I expected this. This is absolutely symptomatic of the retarded ideologue that he is, this isn't new, any type of cult-like thinker has these thinking schemas and builds his worldview with them.

This dipshit slots everything that I could bring up as a good goal that takes effort to attain into the surrogate activity group. I cannot argue against it, because hurr durr doesn't count because I don't respect it. How about you go suck a dick? Scientology uses the exact same rhetoric to make serving anything but their bullshit cult into a "pointless activity".

Moreover, I study to become an engineer. Engineering is by definition a type of work in which every single engineer only solves one tiny, complicated problem, but that all together add up to much greater solutions. These are all hard goals, also.

>>33810153
I thought S&W was sold to someone else after that debacle

>>33810728
>>33810714
>>33810722
What people seldom realize is that smart people have just as much capacity to make really, REALLY bad decisions as stupid people do, it's just that they usually (and sadly) think they have much better reasons and causes for them because they managed to convince themselves of some retarded self-serving ideology that affirms their terrible choices.

Long story short, a dumb person may rob a corner shop to fund a new bottle of hard liquor. A smart person may fuck up a nuclear power plant as one of its operators because he thinks he's doing the world a favor. Both are totally wrong, but one has much more capacity for chaos.

>>33810736
>This dipshit slots everything that I could bring up as a good goal that takes effort to attain into the surrogate activity group. I cannot argue against it, because
You can't argue against it because it's a definitional argument about a term that he made up; you're only studying engineering because satisfying your survival needs has been trivialized by civilization, and you have to do something, so you study engineering or bodybuild or whatever so you have something to do., therefore it's a surrogate activity.
The real counterpoint here, if you wish to pursue it, is that surrogate activities are just as satisfying and meaningful as your default activity of obtaining adequate food, water, shelter, etc. for yourself and the humans you care about.

>>33810815
>You can't argue against it because it's a definitional argument about a term that he made up;
Yeah, and that's the mark of a fucking retard. I can be the God of the world inside my braincase also, but it doesn't prove jack shit.

>>33807105
on the bright side he's 75 so he probably won't last much longer.

>>33810774
>Both are totally wrong,
Are they?
What's your genius plan for dealing with the millions of tons of nuclear waste our descendents are going to be stuck with after we've exploited all the uranium in the world?

>>33810851
It certainly isn't blowing the place up and killing a four or five digit number of people. That's as simple as it gets.

>>33810866
So you're in the "It won't matter until long after I'm dead, so I don't care" camp, then.

>>33810889
No, I'm in the "Blowing people up over it right now is fucking retarded, I'd rather wait another few decades for someone to come up with a better recycling method before I resort to random killings" camp. These things can wait, for a long time. Worst comes to worst, we'll all just get gradually more radiation resistant over a few dozen generations.

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>>33810195

>>33810900
not a contradiction

>>33810759
Yeah the company that makes the lock inside the hillary hole bought them for CHEAP. They now make guns with the same mfg techniques and materials as taurus with slightly better QC while charging"muh S&W" prices.

You want a S&W revolver? buy an old one pre-lock and sleep well at night. Fuck new mfg S&W in the ass.

>>33810866
I get what you're saying, but I can't help but autism over your (seemingly) understanding of Nuclear Power. The uranium used in power plants isn't the same type used in bombs. Power plant uranium doesn't explode. Chernobyl was a steam explosion that directly killed 30 people. It just happened to spread radioactive particles when the container popped.

The real answer is that we can recycle waste into reactors built for it. No one really does this, though.

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Capped for posterity. I'm sure an edit is incoming...lawls

>>33802644

kek

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>>33807581
His good points are made in the first 3 chapters, the rest is just repeated over and over in a rambling fashion. The ideas are actually thought provoking but I think that what should be taken from it is to make sure to live thoughtfully. Make objectives and complete them. Don't just amble through life. Every once in a while push yourself to the limit. Remember that you're a mortal physical man. Don't get lost in modern society. But absolutely don't give up everything and live in mud huts. Our accomplishments make us human, our sloth makes us less

>>33802751
FUCK YOU BILL RUGER

>>33803409
t. someonewho has never encountered feral niggers before

>>33806981
What about a p250?

>>33802603
Look a bunch of rightists faggot whining about leftists faggot whining

Deep

Read drugmanrx's post. Page 9 of the arf thread.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1988839_Springfield-and-RRA-make-a-deal-with-gun-banners-in-IL-.html&page=9

>>33808277
You created that monster, own it.

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2017/04/john-boch/springfield-rock-river-illinois-sell-picking-pieces/

>>33812316
jboch on April 30, 2017 at 8:10 am
Stay tuned for an editorial about this tonight. Actually, a version of it goes up at The Truth About Guns in an hour or two.

In short, I don't believe Rock River had any contact with the IFMA lobbyist while this went down. They trusted him to represent their interests. Their trust does not seem well placed.

Springfield, on the other hand, is joined at the hip with Keller. Springfield is tripling down on stupid despite the pressure.

I warned them Wednesday. They ignored that and screwed us on Thursday. I ran into Keller at NRA on Thursday late afternoon. He snarked at me, "Nice article". I replied, "Thanks. You're going to love the next one."

So Springfield doubles down on stupid with that statement to TTAG. And they've been working behind the scenes to kill the messenger, tripling down on stupid.

Digging even deeper, I've heard scuttlebutt they tried to get the NRA to pull my media credentials – and ditto for TTAG. And on and on.

Meanwhile, Rock River is freaking out. I feel sorry for them.

Right now though, Springfield's Dennis Reese isn't thinking clearly, and with each passing hour of his increasingly hostile behavior, this situation grows worse for his beleaguered company. He made his bed. Let him sleep in it.

It's really a shame because Springfield does make some good guns – like the Mod2 and the M14. They can keep their HiPoint with a Hammer, otherwise known as the Judas.

>>33803085
>>implying they'll pay off debt instead of instantly handing it out

You are retarded if you think that all of the misappropriated funds in Illinois are "handed out"
It goes directly into the corrupt politicians pockets. Its not a surprise 4 of the last 5 governors have ended up in prison for corruption.

>>33807021
They didn't support it, they dropped opposition and went neutral.

It's still shitty, but it's not like they're pushing legislators to pass it, or anything.

>>33802625
>going all S&W.

What did S&W do?
I never paid attention to gun politics in the past

>>33812349
fuck springfield. they have always been a shit company. it just now became apparent to everyone.

first they tried to capitalize on a defunct US firearm manufacturer by using their name. then they tried to be "cute" with their "since 1794" bullshit when the company was actually started in 1974. lastly, they were always about cutting corners and they continue to do so to this day. what matters to them is the bottom line and nothing more. it only makes sense that they finally tried to shape the law to benefit them to generate more sales.

i hope they go bankrupt.

>>33812590
Sold out to bill clinton, boycotts were so bad the company was sold a year or two later

>>33803438 >>33803455 >>33803464 >>33803521 >>33803882 >>33804368 >>33805020 >>33805142 >>33811988
>people that can't handle their narratives being challenged

>>33802572
>implying their shitty croation glock knock off ever deserved any more than a one star anyways
Does Croatia even have factories?

>>33812730
I wonder what those croats will start making when SA folds like a cheap table?

>>33812760
XDs still, but they'll be imported by someone else
or maybe HS Produkt will open a US subsidiary

>>33812683
thought they all handled it pretty well.

look faggot the the three letter agencies already watch this board enough already, tell your boss it's useless to shill here. Keep that shit on /pol

>>33810690
Your meme arrows illustrated the problem but your example discredited it. That's actually a good example of a "hard problem"
>you can plan out how to solve it, it isn't completely guesswork and doesn't require genius creativity
>it requires sustained effort, discipline, and time dedication
It's also very satisfying and makes people feel immense pride in themselves despite how trivial it actually is. That supports his point, "hard" goals are essential to happiness. If it wasn't about the relative difficulty, no one would care because a six-pack is a purely aesthetic phenomenon.

>>33812840
That holster is awesome

So are people throwing crap at their booth at NRA this weekend? They got to be having a tough time there from their competitors. If I were another gun company I would print up big signs for my booth telling everyone I'm not selling out gun dealers and owners like SA is.

>>33813031

I would hope so. it needs to be webcamed so we can watch the literal shit hit them too.

>>33809989
Oh, I do, but when I'm not in a gun store.

>>33812840
Would unironically carry this

>>33813031
mrgunsandgear dropped a vid on his facebook where he mentions it getting a bit heated around the SA booth.

https://www.BOOK OF FACES.com/Mrgunsngear/videos/1226316390814758/

Gonna be an interesting week as all the gun pundits get home and start blogging/vlogging. God I hope there's video of people giving them shit at their booth.

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>>33812316
Props to TTAG for covering this despite Springfield being a sponsor.

>>33809947
For someone who seems to know so much you sure are ignorant in regards to HK. Thats not the case at all faggot, if you'd read the thread youd find shreds of the truth.

>>33810153
Wrong about hk friendo

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Based Rob Ski is based
https://youtu.be/tsoj4kL0jQQ

I need a new lower for my AR15 now so I can throw away one from RRA.

>Springfield Armory genuinely thought they could slip this by unnoticed in this day and age when a million autists are keeping an eye on the proceedings surrounding any gun legislation watching out for "traitors"

That's kind of cute, honestly.

>>33802666
>the new law will mandate state licensing for all Illinois gun dealers
Excuse my retardation, but I don't see how this is different from the status quo. I thought all firearm transfers through dealers had to be registered. Or is it just there needs to be a background check through all dealer transfers?

>>33814002
It means you need to apply and pay separate fees not only for the Illinois business, but also for every employee. It's a tax on successful business.

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>>33814034
Okay, now I see the problem.

>>33814034
Every employee has to have a license?
That's union level bullshit.

>>33813879
I'll take it off your hands.

>>33809892
Sig
SB tactical
Magpul
Barrett RONNIE THE PATRIOT MOTHERFUCKING BARRETT

>>33803697
Yeah, when those politics directly affect businesses and customers in your industry, then your politics becomes shitty business practice. Boycotting McDonalds for being pro gay is not the same as boycotting Springfield for fucking over dealers through the state.

>>33810153
Bill Ruger is dead and Ruger is a great company now

S&W could benefit from increasing their quality on their non revolver products but they're under new ownership since the AWB debacle and are deserving of a another chance.

HK shouldnt even be on the bad list.

Colt needs to unfuck themselves.

RRA ans SA need to feel the fucking burn though, like, post fucking haste

>>33810971
>same as taurus
lol, you're an angry little dipshit and probably hate all big companies.

you're completely ignoring their semi auto handgun and rifle products, and their performance center, and their scandium framed guns.

you probably cant afford a smith.

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>MFW my safe contains model 25-5, 19-4, 38-2


>>33814328

>IT'S FOR SURE BETTER THAN TAURUS I PAID SO MUCH GUYS!!!

I detect someone who owns a hillary hole.

Of course there are exceptions like their custom guns and their exotic mats pieces, but their bog standard revolvers are made using exactly the same materials and processes as Taurus. The only difference is S&W has slightly better QC. Doesn't stop them for charging you a premium for the name. Tards eat that brand shit right up.

>>33814416

Older Taurus revolvers (689) that were straight up copies of older S&W revolvers pretty much shit on today's S&W production.
It's pretty sad.

The new Springfield Saint (because it will take a miracle to save us now)

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>>33814603
I forgot the pic

>>33814416
>muh prelock guns

While I agree that the lock sucks dick, which is why I do not own any guns that have a lock, the modern guns have demonstrably better performance than your collector pieces. The newer guns have smaller clearances, closer tolerances, and better metallurgy that directly translate to the gun having better velocities than the older guns.

https://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=100

>The below velocities are offered so that you can see what guns/barrel lengths give what velocities with this new 357 mag. ammo. You'll notice that new S&W revolvers with short barrels are often shooting faster than older S&W revolvers with longer barrels. The new S&W revolvers are very good and are made with equipment that makes them more consistent and faster than the S&W revolvers of yesteryear.

http://www.luckygunner.com/lounge/revolver-velocity-vs-barrel-length/

>The most significant instance of this phenomenon was the Smith & Wesson Model 28-2, which took a huge nose dive in velocity with the two jacketed .38 Special bullets compared to the 3-inch barrel and the other two 4-inch barrels. The S&W 686-3 also showed a major drop in velocity with the Magtech 158 gr .357 Magnum load even though the same barrel had comparatively high velocities with some of the other loads.

If the new S&Ws are just Tauruses, then that means a new Taurus is an objectively better gun than your 25-5, 19-4, or 38-2.

>>33814963
>If the new S&Ws are just Tauruses, then that means a new Taurus is an objectively better gun than your 25-5, 19-4, or 38-2.

Got no problem with that statement. didn't buy pre-lock smiths because I thought they are objectively the "best" revolvers ever made. A GP100 is no shit 2x the revolver my 19-4 is but it ain't nearly so pretty.

Just like the Ruger Blackhawk is objectively a better single action revolver. I still own a Colt SAA because SO AESTHETIC MANE.

If I was in the market for a new mfg wheel gat 98% chance it'd be a Ruger.

>>33815011
>GP100 is no shit 2x the revolver my 19-4 is but it ain't nearly so pretty.

Really? I feel like Ruger's revolver line up is pure sex. I need one of each even though it would be somewhat redundant.

>>33815066
Not that guy, but their older guns look nicer than their new ones. It's a failing of nearly every modern manufacturer--they keep prices down by either using stainless or by applying a cheap finish. The bluing on the old Rugers was nothing special compared to what you would find on a higher end Colt or S&W, but its miles ahead of the "black oxide" (read: cheapest possible matte bluing) or paint finishes that are everywhere today.

>>33815066
Nothing wrong with either just a different aesthetic. Eye of the beholder and all that.

Older smiths seem more elegant to me. Whereas Ruger has a more utilitarian ruggedness.

>>33803618
CZ

>>33815202
Single stack

Alright gentleman I read through all of the AR15 thread here is my summary.
> Harmon cut a deal a month ago for these two traitous Companies
> Springfield got caught first
> RRA was trying to play it like the victim but truth is they were hoping to save themselves and sent all of us down the river.
> RRA is trying to claim they didnt know their lobbyist changed the stance from "Opposed" to "Neutral".

I bought a 1911 at the start of the year. Was regretting not getting a Springfield TRP, glad I didnt buy shit from them.

I haven't bought anything from RRA, I liked their products but fuck them too.

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>>33802572
Oh wow, look at all these autists sperging out over Illinois getting cucked. Meanwhile, I'll continue doing what I want in Ohio.

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>>33809620
I wish the shooting of firearms was impossible for fat people, like most other outdoor activities.

>>33815287
gun control SPREADS anon. And it's in your neighboring state...

>>33803409
>get asked to do something by a federal agent
>do it
>feds kill your dog, son, and wife

sounds fair.

I don't buy into the whole "Randy Weaver the poor innocent white supremacist apocalypse prepper dindu nuffin fuck the gubmint" argument, but that was a case where they clearly overstepped their bounds and fucked up, and they had the public relations nightmare to deal with afterwards as punishment.

Even most people in the ATF/FBI and on the mainstream left acknowledge it as a massive fuckup on their part, and use it as a learning/training experience.

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>>33815289

>>33815305
Technically, Illinois is a couple states away but I agree with you sentiment. People who are unwilling to support the 2A rights of people on the other side of the country don't understand what this fight is really about.

>>33805142
he was also fucked with by MK ultra

>>33803769

The value on the used market is based on the demand on the used market.

The value of a used Springfield will be affected by the fact that with lowered demand, the new ones will be worth less.

The resale market is entirely based on the new market: Why would I buy your used gun if the new one has dropped into my price range?

I can just imagine the hell the social media managers are having.

>be gun company social media guy
>like guns
>management makes a stupid as fuck decision
>have to deal with all the angry people because you're the front line of it
>no backup from above and nothing to fall back on in terms of addressing concerns because management fucked up to begin with

>>33805142
>>33805155

You forgot that he was involved in MK Ultra trials. IIRC it was during his undergrad at Harvard.

>>33815447
the job description of a social media manager very specifically includes dealing with crap from idiots, so it's not like it's unexpected

>>33815447

Honestly, it would warm my heart if SA employees would start speaking out, but nobody would ever do that for the fear of get fired.

>>33815376
Agreed, "If we don't hang together, we will surely hang separately".

>>33815376

More importantly, companies who pull this shit in one state will be perfectly willing to pull it in your state if you ever find yourself in the place of Illinois.
It's like you were the brain and said "haha, fuck chemo, it's not my problem the prostate has cancer and it's metastased to the liver and lungs, fuck these guys, they're shit organs anyway."

>>33815487
this is different from your run of the mill guy going "hey your gun sucks! blahblahblah! cs didn't bend over and do backflips for me!" this is management created shitstorm and you're caught in the middle of it. there's not even a path to go down to make the customer happy like normal cs cases

>>33810407
>I want the states to be separate, almost like different countries
>until it affects my hobby

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>>33815569
>I have no argument, so I will pretend the guy I'm replying to said something I can respond to with something witty!

>>33802625
>state licensing for all Illinois gun dealers
that sounds fine, you have a right to bear arms, not necessarily a right to sell them to Jamal F. Douschenblack on the down low-- not that a license will prevent that, but you can have it taken away if you sell to criminals
>It will also restrict all others in Illinois to nine firearm transfers per year.
ehhhhhh yeah this is a relatively high number but it's also pointless
if someone buys 9 guns you're past the point of cutting them off-- not that you should
>removing Prairie State firearms manufacturers from the licensing requirements
so anyone that makes their guns in Illinois is exempt; that wouldn't sound so bad if it wasn't for the fact those major manufacturers named in the article are based in Illinois and shifted their stance on it based on this change, and may well have initiated this change, giving them a huge advantage in gun sales in Illinois
overall pretty dumb thing to happen

>>33811988
but they mostly kill other niggers so why do you care?

>>33807218
not every forum is web 2.0, a lot just have a name, and a lot more just have a name and a small avatar

>>33803411
the problem with that analogy is that if the government comes too many times it'll die

>>33815497
How about those they sponsor in shooting competitions?

>>33815569
So speech, religion, and privacy right are now just hobbies?

>>33815829
TTAG is sponsored by SAand they're criticizing the fuck out of SA. I'm super impressed by their ethics.

>>33815729
Transfers is not purchases. It's transfers. If an FFL sells a tenth gun without this magical license its fine/prison time. Additionally due to the wording of the law retail clerks physically ringing out guns will need their own licensure, as it applies at the individual level as well as business. Further, there's nothing to suggest these licenses will be guaranteed issue and it will add additional overhead costs to anywhere that sells guns. This is the type of law that convinces local pawnshops that selling guns is no longer worth the effort. Also, Prairie State is a group. Not everyone is in it. The exceptions are pretty limited in scale and do not include any mom'n'pop gunsmiths, only a couple big names and big-box stores.

This is an issue, stop trying to make it not look like one.

>>33810033
that's assuming the remaining companies won't go along with existing or new legislation, which you can't know
if you assume that some proportion of them always will, and that gun owners will always drive them out of business in response (or close to it), eventually all you'll be left with is companies that capitulate and there won't be any choices except companies that used to capitulate, banned foreign weapons, and new manufacturers that pop up (if they even can pop up)
that said >>33810036 has an equally good point, and really both scenarios are unlikely because people aren't rigid and predictable like that

>>33812840
that looks fake as fuck, how would a phone stay there on its own?

>>33815874
its basically california mode
in 2018 any clerk selling ammunition has to have a COE to do so which is another $90+ for the initial reg and $30 to renew every ear

>>33810834
mfw he lives another 40 years

>>33815376
honestly I think we should just break up the country, we clearly don't all want the same things and certain parts are dragging down the rest of it

>>33815874
>can't sell 10 guns in a year
>as a dealer
holy shit seriously?

>>33810195
Oy vey, what a bargain

>>33815874
>Also, Prairie State is a group. Not everyone is in it.
like, a conglomerate or something?
also I agree it's an issue, I just didn't understand all the terms

>>33802751
Ruger didn't support the AWB. He was just dumb enough to assume good faith when he proposed mag limits instead.

Which the gun control crowd promptly scooped up into the whole.

>>33815920
http://www.5stoneproducts.com/

>>33803409
Ted did nothing wrong. In fact, he predicted everything that is going on today.

>>33815950
Yes. This is why people are so mad.

>>33815972
yes I know what it is, I'm saying it wouldn't fool anyone that looks directly at it and thinks for half a second

>>33812840
iwanthis.exe

>>33815305
The day Ohio becomes a hotbed for gun control is the day I will move to the Bay Area.

>>33815376
I'm not saying it's right, but there's a difference between supporting the rights of other states and having a stroke over two manufacturers basically pleading no contest on a gun control bill. Sure, they rolled over to antigunners, but they didn't lobbby for it, and they didn't go out of their way to get on board. All Springfield and Rock Island did was change their 'against' status to 'neutral'.

>>33815853
>TTAG
>ethics
Lets not pretend the site is anything more than a business to that weasel RF, and one that regularly panders to the absolute worst elements of the American gun community at that. The only writer there who doesn't regularly come off as a complete fucking turd is that Jeremy S. guy...

>>33815998
>All Springfield and Rock Island did was change their 'against' status to 'neutral'.

And that's wrong. These companies shouldn't be stationed in Illinois to begin with but putting that aside they certain should be supporting the rights of the very people they are trying to sell their product to.

>>33816025
>These companies shouldn't be stationed in Illinois to begin with
why? I mean I know it's not very kind to gun owners but that doesn't mean the people that work in their factories and offices shouldn't have their jobs

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>>33815729
Are you trolling?

What is with the number of anti-gun cucks on here lately? Is this shareblue, antifa, Reddit, or summerfags?

I'm so fucking pissed about this. SA makes objectively the best price/performance 1911s on the market. I was wanting to get an SA Operator this fall and already own a Mil-spec but they can fuck right off. They're dead to me and it's like they no longer exist. Anyone have recommendations for comparable manufacturers?

>>33802572
**chip** **chip** **chip**
ya hear that sound?

oh that? don't worry, it's just the sound of the 2A crumbling. Pay no attention it will all be over soon. One brick at a time.

>>33805998
https://youtu.be/GlKL_EpnSp8

Any video out of the "heated moments" at the SA booth this weekend at the NRA?

>>33816042
If you're a company that creates a product in a state that wants said product banned why would you assist the state by continuing to conduct business there? Gun companies in Illinois are paying taxes to a state government that would outright ban them given the opportunity.

>>33815971
Bullshit. His mini 14 was exempt from he awb. It was treason to gain market share. I still don't buy ruger.

>>33816013
What the fuck are you on about?

>>33816086
>I still don't buy ruger.
Then you're a fucking retard. Seriously.

>>33816056
did you read the whole post, or the responses? I know this is fucked up

>>33816084
there are people in every state that want guns banned, and I'm pretty sure they're not in the majority in Illinois

>>33816099
t. shill

>>33816084
I might be way off base here but maybe they're trying to work out some sort of 'bottled in a dry county' deal similar to Jack Daniels; best guess I got for ya. They've got to be gaining -something- to give some a righteous middle finger to their customers.

>>33816151
yeah they're gaining a near-monopoly in Illinois, which has a relatively high population, and a lot of rural areas to boot
your idea is interesting though
would you buy guns made in a place where guns can't be used? would you work there?

>>33816178
Semi-related: you might be surprised how many non-drinkers work for bottling/distilling companies.
Maybe they expect their customers to not comply? The monopoly makes the most sense.

>>33815011
>If I was in the market for a new mfg wheel gat 98% chance it'd be a Ruger.

Top kek.

You can replace MIM parts in a Smith. You can even disable the lock. You cant replace the castings on a Ruger, unless you sell it and buy something not made of pig shit.

>>33816136
That's irrelevant. The constituency in Chicago will continue to vote in democrat representatives for a variety of reasons and those members of the Illinois legislature will continue to try and destroy gun rights regardless of the overall voter's position on guns.

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Bought a SA 1911 operator 2 months ago.
What should I get with the money I get for it?
Anything except:
RIA (obviously)
Kimber
Sig
Ruger

>>33808568
'Sup, Mr Rugar, how are things lately?

>>33814963
Why not just remove the lock? It doesn't look like it's required for function of the action.

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>>33816211
>thinks there is something wrong with cast frame.

>>33810759
The then-president of S&W quit in protest, started his own company (no word on blackjack or hookers), and later bought S&W from it's previous British overlords.

>>33803852
You'll never want any more magazines? That is one thing I would prefer not to buy used.

>>33816211
>You cant replace the castings on a Ruger, unless you sell it and buy something not made of pig shit.
There's absolutely no legitimate reason to ever want to replace the investment cast parts in a Ruger revolver, considering their decades-long track record as the most durable DA wheelguns in existence - save for a few ultra-expensive French and German unicorn guns

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>>33816326
An MR73's hardly a unicorn; they're still being made and you can buy one whenever you want (>implying you can afford one).
http://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/pistols/manurhin/manurhin-mr73.cfm?gun_id=100666856
They're just uncommon in the States because not enough people can justify to themselves dropping $3000 on a wheelgun to support regular, large-scale importation.
Ditto for the Korth Combat Magnum, although I don't have a link for buying one because >paying upwards of $5000 for a wheelgun that's only marginally better than the MR

>>33816099
Traitors should be decimated and their names burned in the funeral pyre. Traitors shouldn't even count on being bought out.

>>33816223
You should stop acting like it matters because your money's already in the ether.

>>33816563
*tips helmet*

>>33816223
What's wrong with a Sig or Ruger?

>>33816259
>>thinks there is something wrong with cast frame.

How many cast ARs do you have? Cast knives? Cast pistons?

Riiiiiiiiiiight. Cast is just as good.

>>33816326
>There's absolutely no legitimate reason to ever want to replace the investment cast parts in a Ruger revolver, considering their decades-long track record as the most durable DA wheelguns in existence - save for a few ultra-expensive French and German unicorn guns

Post the copypasta about how great hipoints are next.

I don't buy guns made out of shitty castings.

>>33816631
I was making fun of the guy who implied cast sucked...

>>33816676
Cast frames do suck.

>>33816667
Hipoints are great if that's all you can afford. Any gun is better than no gun. You are currently going full retard.

>>33816694

T. Poorfag

>>33816694
>Any gun is better than no gun.
Unless it's a Lorcin.

>>33816708
You must work for Springfield armory or RRA. Your attempt to troll this thread off topic is weaksauce lol.

>>33816708
T. entitled kid

>>33816742
>You must work for Springfield armory or RRA. Your attempt to troll this thread off topic is weaksauce lol.

Ha. I only have one Springfield and won't be buying any new ones. No cast revolvers either. I have standards.

>>33816761
I haven't been a kid for half my life.

>>33816667
Ruger revolvers are objectively far more durable guns than S&W's, and a Manurhin MR73 is probably more durable than a Ruger despite basically being a slightly modified K frame-ish S&W. Explain that. Also
>implying investment cast steel is the same as literal pot metal
You are one ignorant motherfucker.

>>33812648
were they sold to a better company or did they get remington'd?

>>33816790
>Ruger revolvers are objectively far more durable guns than S&W's, and a Manurhin MR73 is probably more durable than a Ruger despite basically being a slightly modified K frame-ish S&W. Explain that. Also

A high point could be more durable than an HK, a SIG, or a Glock and I'd still never buy one.

>>33816817
>>implying investment cast steel is the same as literal pot metal
>You are one ignorant motherfucker.

I said cast was just as shitty as pot metal. You're the one who doesn't understand that similar does not equal same.

It's like you don't even know when you're dancing the Dunning Kruger jig.