What went wrong?

>>33801655
Barrel

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>>33801655
They forgot its roots.

I would love a full metal g36 though with the same lines.

It kinda melts

>all that plastic
>still fucking heavier than a basic commie steel and wood ak-74

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Everything about it is just kinda... off.

Also hard or impossible to import and the SL-8 is trash.

the 80s ended

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>>33801655
>What went wrong?

It's HK.

>>33801674
It really doesn't

>>33801717
Holy shit so the barrel is literally molded into the plastic and then you mount optics on the plastic, how fucking dumb are the krauts? Even an idiot understands that plastic is very susceptible to warping as a result of temperature changes.

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>>33801788
HK is literally the brand for gun hipsters.

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>>33801800

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>>33801813

>>33801813
>>33801800
I mean i wouldn't really have a problem with a plastic receiver as long as the fucking sights are attached to the barrel by metal but holy shit man, what the hell were they thinking.

>>33801655
literally the best example anyone can use against polymer and military weapons

the barrel is literally molded into plastic, fucking smart

>>33801674
Yes except it doesn't

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>>33802712
>>33801726

Piefke raus!

>>33801655
Nothing, people tried to use it as a MG and surprisingly it didn't do well and politicians freaked out

>>33802738

haha golden.

>>33801800
>>33801813
This is why you don't use plastic trunnions, kids.

>>33802756
They really should've just adopted the MG36 even if they thought they could just use a G36 w/ heavy barrel and bipod.

>>33802822
But that would've been more expensive. The MOD bought the "cheapest" option as a conscript gun.

>>33802756
>>33802811
>>33802822
internal GER investigation revealed that HK jewed the .gov by using a different polymer blend for the gun than specified which rendered it more heat sensitive. this was used but HK-G35 apologists to point out that the G36 was still a great gun, it would just have needed to be made right. the lengths to which HK fukkbois will go to justify their poor life choices are truly amazing.

>>33802899
Wrong, .gov specified the shitty version and that's what they got. Other users of the G36 do not report these issues.

>>33801655
you didn't read

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>>33802917
HK troll schleich di ham!

>>33802936
Was there complaints from the Spanish about their G36? From Lithuania? Sweden? Norway?

No, only the german POLITICIANS, not the Bund, not the KSK.

The fucking politicians, based on the retarded stress test.

would have been fine if they just made it from aluminum.

>>33803162
>Was there complaints from the Spanish about their G36? From Lithuania? Sweden? Norway?

these countries combined shoot less than the top 5 YT guntubers. your argument is invalid.

>>33802899
Name a single gun manufacturer better than HK... I'll wait.

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>>33803197
Steyr

>>33803192
>guntubers
Way to make yourself unable to be taken seriously.

>>33803197
For handguns? Glock.
For rifles? A whole lot of US AR makers.
For the price of one G36, you can have 2 sub MOA guns with match melonite barrels and match triggers.

>>33803217
I'm sorry words offend you.

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>>33803230
>glock
>one trick pony AR makers
>better than HK

>>33803243
The word didn't offend me, it just made me think you were a worthless person.

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>>33803258
>better than HK

indeed they are. HK makes meme guns, they always have. even german SF and police use Glock instead of HK if they get the chance.

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>>33803192
>these countries combined shoot less than the top 5 YT guntubers
Not him but that's a retarded assumption.
And doesn't explain why Swedish SOG and German KSK stick with the G36.

>>33803162
Only lithuania and spain has the g36 as standard issue

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>>33802917
Izhmash

german fuccbois on the suicide watch

I have read plenty of comments from actual soldiers in German newsportals during that affair, every single one of them said the G36 was perfectly fine and they had full confidence in it. That stupid cunt von der Leyen wanted to be seen as a strong, empowered, decisive womyn to get a shot at the chancellorship when the treasonous merkel bitch resigns, and she treid to do it at the expense of HK. And she rightfully got her ass kicked in court when HK sued, too.

>>33803317

one is a total cuck country, other is country sucking up to cuck country wanting gibs, both happy to use shit plastic melt turd

>>33802936
Schleich di Schluchtenscheißer!

>>33803350

>trusting people who want their country raped by rapefugees

>fine with shit rifle

sounds about right

>>33803361
get fucked Hakan

>>33803197
Sig
Steyr
Schmeisser
Les Baer
...

>>33803197
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_modern_armament_manufacturers

>>33803412

>My country is unimportant and no one gives a shit about it but at least I can bash the more successful neighbour

Fuck yourself.

>>33801655
Nothing, the barrel is too thin for sustained fire on a rifle hat wasn't designed to be a light machine gun. Also the melting meme ended in a scandal as the results couldn't be reproduced at all.

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>>33803581

>>33803162
Reminder that those politicians are socialists who hate the company

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Holy shit could you fagots stop defending a motherfucking plastic trunnion gun. Sure it might work but it's not fucking optimal goddamnit. Also, why is it even made from plastics? It's not even lighter than a simple wood and steel gun like the AK-74.

AK-74: 3.07 kg
G36: 3.63 kg

>>33803632
Where is the scope and reddot?

>>33803361
Auße mit dir

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>>33803865
Here you go, and i'm not even saying that the AK is the best that is out there, i prefer the AR myself but if even the commies can do better than you then you might want to consider changing up your stuff.

>>33803865

you mean the useless stacked optics cucked germans slap on their guns

>>33803350
German military barely shoot their weapons. The average /k/ anon shoots more bullets per range trip, than a german soldier does in a year.

>>33801655
Didn't they weld the barrels onto them?

>>33803913
>average /k/ anon
>owning guns
>and even when then the ammo for it
choose one friend

>>33803902
Have you ever used them?

>>33803933
>le ebin /k/ are all noguns meme
Come on now, we already have plenty of threads to prove that false even if its a bunch of poorfag and entry level stuff

>>33801655
The plastic mostly

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>>33803913
I'm pretty sure the five rounds I fire each year during duty are more than 70% of the posters here shoot.

>>33802756
THIS

>>33803974
Thats P8 tho, right? :^)

>>33803913
the probably spend more time sucking arab cock than shooting or doing anything military related

>>33804030
P S2-WÜ :^)

>>33804115
Lustwaffe?

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>>33804128
pfui

>>33803197
Beretta

>>33803865
>optic that is connected to the barrel by goddamn plastic

>>33802738
Kekekek

>>33803197
Colt Canada.

Integrated optics are dumb as fuck

no rails

>>33801655
Nothing. It's more than 20 years old and needs replacement. That's all.

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>>33803937
Have the Germans even used them?

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>>33809707
>20 years old

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>33809781
Yep, US small arms procurement is a fucking disgrace even when compared to Germany a country that spends 1.2 % of its GDP on its miltary.
http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/2008/Intl/Schatz.pdf

>>33809771
That's an MG, not a rifle

>>33803290
he took his glove off to shake her hand

she didn't shake his hand

>>33802917
>>33802899
Can't either post a source? I'd like to know who picked the materials, what the materials are, whatever.

>>33810102
They can't. Every G36 thread is full of unsupported rumors that people just made up and passed on to the next guy. It's cringeworthy.

>>33801655
Looks dumb

>>33803197
Even the Russians can shit out better guns lmao

>>33810102
the official sources and evaluations are not open for the public obviously, so people who have never even seen this rifle shit on it on the internet without any credible source

>>33802899
There was a giant R&D test and evaluation boondoggle across the 1990s as the G36 got developed. Bringing in plastics expertise from Universities and institutes across Germany, spending money, shooting, and producing a pile of reportage.

Why? Because plastic in a gun melts, and super high tech plastics and SCIENCE is needed. Also shooty guns and government funding.

So it was kind of hilarious, the controversy waded unknowingly into this huge, already existent 20 year old reportage, research and information about the "problem". Everything had been done to death already.

>>33801655
Polymer front trunnion.

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>>33801655
nothing. best assault rifle in the world.

source: not germany

>>33801655
Germans made it

>>33801655
SQUISHY SQUISHY

Why do people on here, who probably haven't ever been to a university, always turn into mechanical engineers and materials scientists when this gun is brought up?

>>33811030
because their lifes are sad and boring and on the internet no one knows that you failed high school and it's easy to tell shit when 99,5% of the people around here never came in contact with the specific gun

>>33809781
Is the AR platform holding back modern arms development?

>>33811030
>lol u dont even have a masters in chemical engineering
>did u even do a thesis on polymers?
>your lack of education suddenly means this gun doesnt suck

>>33811791

>Platform


Do you get your weapons systems platform from your weapons storage before going to the indoor range to run your rig?

>>33811835
>arguing semantics

>>33811858

>Using dumb words to describe guns

>>33811907
But i wasn't just describing Stoners design but the meme it has become in the industry.

>>33803210
such a sexy gun desu, it looks so lewd

>>33811949
the AR-15 is to gun evolution what the polish sabre was to sword evolution

>>33812181
Nearly obsolete by the time it was invented?

>>33812223
kek

>>33801788
>Even an idiot understands that plastic is very susceptible to warping as a result of temperature changes.

Only an idiot does not understand the difference between a thermoplastic polymer and a thermoset polymer.

A thermoplastic polymer is something that you can use in a standard cheapo 3D printer, like a Reprap or a Makerbot or shit like that. It liquefies / goes >>>PLASTIC<<< in general at higher temperatures, usually around 200 degrees Celsius or more. Types of this plastic would be Nylon (pantyhoses), ABS (toys, kitchen appliances, power tools), PET (plastic bottles) or PLA (3D printing autism).

A thermoset is a polymer that doesn't at all get soft when you heat it and instead starts to burn, char or otherwise totally wreck itself. This generally happens at much higher temperatures than the thermoplastics getting soft. To make these polymers, they are mixed from two or more chemical components, then injected into a mould, then harden out over time, and then forever stay that shape. It's usually glass fiber reinforced, lightweight, injection-moulding-capable, moisture-proof, decay-proof. Examples would be epoxy resins, Bakelite if you wanna go really ancient.

The G36 obviously uses the latter. I know that Wikipedia says that it's made from ABS plastic (at least it did last time I checked), but I dabbed some acetone (aka nail polish remover) onto the stock of mine very own service rifle (which is a chemical that totally fucking liquefies and destroys ABS) and it did jack shit.

So yeah, all that the >melt meme proves is that nobody on /k/ even tries to look into the most basic info on polymers.

>>33803197
FN Herstal

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>>33801788
There are different versions of the gun, tho

>>33803317
Also Latvia

>>33803360
Eik nachui, pyderas

>>33812800
This. Sadly people will ignore this and keep spreading their opinions as facts

>>33813026
The optic is still connected to the barrel by plastic.

>>33801655
The integrated scope in the carry handle is a bitch to use. Thing is tinier than a pupil.

>>33803210
Gross
>>33812147
Disgusting

>>33812800
>mine very own service rifle
I read there were something like five different generations of G36 in service, some with pretty significant changes. Was I reading silly goofs or was it for true?

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Hey guys, what's going on in... naw dude fuck this, i'm out!

>>33801655
"superior" german "engineering"

>>33815511
Do you have one in manlet size for little old me?

>>33815493
Mine is an A1. All the other ones look basically identical, ten million billion scratches included. Then again I'm just doing conscription service and all the guns we get are basically the bottom of the barrel bullshit guns nobody who goes on an actual deployment would want to touch with a ten foot barge pole.

"Versions" might be too grand a word. The basic frame of the gun is practically always the same unless you've gotten a hold of one of the versions with the shortened barrel and piston; otherwise, all the other parts are so modular you could frankenswap just like the AR-15 platform can.

>>33815511
Yeah, you better stay the fuck out, do you know what kind of a bitch to clean that gun is? Almost as bad as the MG3. Civilians can pipe right down, armories is where you learn to hate these things.

>>33815538

Haha i'm happy i never have to clean it myself so yeah, that's not a factor for me.
I still prefer the FAL but G3 is just like "our" rifle, at least for me it is.

>>33803937
Had a classic army G36 when I used to airshit. Hated the scope on that thing, replaced it with a top rail and red dot and it was so much better. If the real deal is anywhere as bad as the airsoft version I have nothing but pity for the poor souls that have to use that thing.
>inb4 airshit
>inb4 you can't inb4 your own posts.

>>33803953
You mean ATF honeypots?

>>33815538
Do you get to play with grenade launchers?
Are they fun?

>>33815687
I don't got that training yet. Might never get it, kinda running out of time in my conscription (7 months is best and shortest term).

Before you ask me why, and why that short, you go to the army in order to gather LEGITIMATE reasons for why you'd never want to go to the army. Army life sucks in new and imaginative ways that civilians can practically not ever fathom, because they still have their bare reserves of common sense. You are quickly and thoroughly disabused of those notions when you enter the service.

>>33815743
What unit are you in?

>>33815797
PzGren.
>mensch
>tier

>>33815574
lul, when i was 13 i had a tokyo marui g36c. I Should've just got a 10/22 and spent time at the range with my dad it's the same damn price as a toy

>>33815810
What battalion? Also, does it really suck that bad? I thought about doing FWD to see how it is (and to finally get it out of my system), would you say it's still worth it?

>>33815888
I'm not telling you that breh!

>is it worth it
Depends on what you want out of it.

Do you want to dick around for a few months on taxpayer money? Go for 7 months. Choose a POG unit, not a combat unit. In both you will be dicking around and not receive the bare minimums to qualify for literally fucking any actual soldier position, but at least in the POG units everyone aims to dick around one way or another so you get a relaxed lyfe and aren't dragged into pointless exercises every week. This is the way to get the closest thing to the old Wehrdienst experience.

Do you want to go out there and kill somebody (or be involved in the general organizational effort of doing so) that, in some vague interpretation, is a threat to Germany? For that you have to sign up for 2 years minimum, SaZ.

>>33811791
Nope, just raising the bar on handling and right reduction

>>33801655
It just major suxxorz desu

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One thing I never understood, people say gas piston ar's are better for suppressor, yet HK recently added a gas regulator adjuster(whatever) on the A5. Does that mean previous 416's had problems using suppressor? Also my country's sppecial forces went with the Colt Canada C8 over HK416, mainly because of the heavy barrel the C8 had. Just makes me wonder, is the 416 and the piston stuff really a meme like /k/ keeps saying? The C8 is DI and mostly built like the mk18 mod 0, yet it got picked over a newer and more modern weapon.

>>33815964

Has germany been deployed anywhere in any capacity?

>>33815743
I thought Germany eliminated conscription?

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>>33802738
You know, I wonder if it would actually feed that way for more than a round or two if you went full no compromise and loaded it backwards.

>>33815964
I actually kinda wanna go either Fallschirm- or Gebirgsjäger, but only as FWDL because I strongly suspect that it's probably going to suck anyway and I have no interest being stuck in the Bund for several years. It's not that I just wanna dick around all day on taxpayer money though, I'd want to do some proper military stuff.

>>33815964
You can choose POG unit if you serve 7 months.
t. Medic
also to all those guys shitting on H&K
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGwkHktkTxU

>>33816089
>You can choose POG units only if you serve 7 months. Fighting troop won't take you in
fixed

>>33816044
We still have voluntary conscription. No real threat, all the barracks bullshit.

>>33816043
Somalia, Afghanistan, Mali. Some others. But they send only a small contingent of soldier enlisted there. What they really are looking for right now is SSGTs (meaning Feldwebels) and above, for instructor roles. The BW loves to get deployed in foreign countries to train staff there to do all the dying for them, and for that they need qualified trainers, and you only get to be a proper trainer in the Feldwebel-careers.

>>33816054
Well you will never ever get any real miitary stuff even if you sign up for 23 months. Conscription on the inside of Germany's borders is not at all like real soldiery. It is all about getting dicked around by the command and the superiors in general, being made to do pointless exercises and never getting that training that you actually wanted.

They erased MG3 training from basic. You only get it in advanced training now. Let that sink in.

Look man, I'm barely at the 4 months mark by now and I already want it to fast forward so it can be over already. I'm not gonna just quit, I want that good checkmark on my record, but jesus. Make life for yourself easier. TRUST me that you will have had enough of "real" military life after the Allgemeine Grundausbildung (basic). During Basic, you will get the closest thing to "real" military life. The main component of this is to be treated like you do not have a brain. In good units, after this is through, you will be treated like a regular person again. If you're like me, and chose PzGren, you will not, and your superiors will still clap you on the back of the head all day like you jsut came out of Sonderschule.

>>33816115
Sure you can, I did. You just become the bottom bitch for everyone except for the other enlisted, who envy you for how fast you'll get outta there again.

>>33816138
huh I was told otherwise
Did not matter to me because I wanted to be medic only
These career advisors do not seem to know their shit

>>33816161
>These career advisors do not seem to know their shit
The career advisors in Germany are special in that they lie to you / don't know well enough about stuff that they wouldn't even need to lie about in order to get you to sign up. They just bullshit all day and supply you with the worst humanly possible information every time.

>>33816138
Well you certainly soured my perception of our military even more. What would be a good unit according to you?

>>33816198
>They just bullshit all day and supply you with the worst humanly possible information every time.
I don't think they are that much different in other countries

>>33803162
Even the US when testing the XM8 said it sucked.

>>33816201
Do something where you aren't expected to get dirty. Supply maybe. Maintenance is also good. Electronic warfare / combat control, I heard those units are maximum nerdy and full of weebs. An artillery unit, possibly. Anything that you can even imagine having to dig a foxhole is right out. No infantry, no light anti-air, and especially NO PIONIER.

If you have a brain, you will want to use the time you get lazing around in the barracks to get yourself some study books for whatever you will want to pursue afterwards (university or whatever) and study during all the "free" time you'll have. Sitting in the barracks solving higher math equations is my idea of university prep.

>>33816201
not this anon
But I will have a Feldwebel career with an included ZAW (Zivile Aus-und Weiterbildung) to become a medic(Notfallsanitäter). 13 years of steady pay and an interesting job that I always wanted to pursue

>>33803162
Norway went with the HK416 and Colt C8 instead.

>>33816243
>>33816266
Thanks for the info, definitely going to think this over.

>tfw you'll never be an operator tactically operating with a gun that melts

>>33801655
nothing

>>33812800
>thermoplastic melts at low temperatures
>thermoset burns/wrecks itself
>much higher temperatures tho
orrrr you could just make it out of metal and not need to worry about your gun melting / wrecking itself at all. Thermosets will still fail catastrophically at sustained operating temperatures, no matter how reinforced it is. If you've ever tried to epoxy something to a firearm, its becomes very apparent that its not designed for such use. With the current state of materials engineering, the G36 is considered very outdated.

>>33803197
Beretta.

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>>33815574

>>33813050
Calm down, braļuks
>>33815687
They are, unless you are carrying them on you all day long. And the ammo, ugh

>>33820351
So how's the Latvian military doing? When are you getting those M109s from Austria?

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>>33803197

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>>33803197

LMT

>>33803290
>german military using german made arms

next thing you'll tell me the US uses US made arms or something

>>33821027
Glock is Austrian

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>>33816138
>They erased MG3 training from basic. You only get it in advanced training now. Let that sink in.

Oldfag conscript here. It's a shame, really.
Some time ago i heard from a distant aquaintance who happened to be Stuffz that he had to make a "test" on the MG3. He said he learned the whole weekend for that "test"

I don't dare to imagine what the BW has come to. Good luck to you though.

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>>33821488
>1488
>Austrian

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>>33809599
dubs confirm