Pocket pistols

.22 all day.

>>33801117
.25 acp.

>>33801117
.25 for muh centerfire reliability and much better short barrel performance then .22.
I've never really understood .22 pocket pistols, are they for the extremely cheap, people with a burning love for ,22lr or for plinking?

>>33801117
.25 because it's centerfire and is shaped in a way that makes is easier to feed in a semi-auto handgun.
.32 is the minimum that I feel comfortable carrying though

>>33801514
>>33801517
If you chose .25 for realiability...

wewlad.

>>33801533
there's more .25 out there then remshit

>>33801533
My jet fire has never malfunctioned. While every .22 pistol ive ever shot has malfunctioned.

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>>33801579
lol sounds legit

>>33801117
i would be more worried about how extraction is set up on the pistol. i have seen some that just rely on the cartridge to self extract which could really fug up your day. other than that as long as you are running good ammo both choices seem equaly terrible

>>33801117
.25 ACP because of reliability and better short barrel performance. S&B seems to be the best .25 as far as reliability goes, never had any issues with my Bobcat when I fed it S&B.

I don't carry it much, but when I do, I use FMJ because you need penetration more than expansion with .25 ACP.

>>33801117

What's the smallest .32 pistol that you like? I want something smaller than my glock 42 for my pocket.

>>33801756
I have a Kel Tec P32, works fine for me, carry it when I carry a backup.

If you want all metal construction, a Seecamp, NAA Guardian, or Beretta Tomcat will work fine, just be sure to get the Tomcat in stainless.

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wanna walther model 9 next

>>33801756

Why?

G42s are insanely thin as it is. Get a holster or something.

>>33801837

I want a super small pistol for pocket carry when I'm wearing nice cloths

>>33801801
be careful, there's runs of seecamps out there with serious QC issues and older, Pre-heavier frame tomcats have a nasty habit of cracking their frames.
They're not bad guns, that said. Just troubled.
It's a lot harder then you'd think to make a .32 that small

>>33801886
NAA Guardian seems to be the best choice for an all metal tiny .32. I feed my P32 S&B and Prvi exclusively. They tend to be hotter than other .32 ACP loads and I have yet to have a problem with that pistol with either brand. Anguilla jammed all the time, so I only use it in my bigger .32's like CZ 70, Ruby, and FN 1910.

>>33801117
A brick, it's going to jam and be thrown anyways.

Get a fucking Colt Mustang/pocketlite

>>33802196
I thought those were generally unreliable?

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Anyone have a sterling 300? It's 25 ACP. Someone is selling one for $100, and it looks neat.

>>33802310
I have a .22 sterling and I like it, for $100 I'd buy it

>>33802222

That's what people say about EVERY weapon.

>>33803797
Wonder how many guns get sold super cheap because of aluminum cased ammo

wish cz83s weren't so expensive
(in 32)

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.22 is cheap to practice with, easier to obtain, and has more muzzle energy then .25

.25 is reloadable though, which is a plus, but only if you're a masochist with tweezers on your reloading bench...

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>>33803787
Someone is selling the e.22 version near me for $80, but says it needs a new magazine. I also don't know if I have $80. He says it's an earlier production model which is apparently higher quality.

>>33806284

It has more muzzle energy from a rifle length barrel. Not a pocket pistol length barrel.

>>33801846
get a P3AT or LCP2

anything smaller than .380 is retarded

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>>33802310
It's a nice little pistol, unfortunately there's no new parts. You have to cannibalize other ones.

>>33808365
.380 is a terrible retarded round that needs to go away. It is only effective with FMJ loads and at that point you're much better off with a .32.

Reminder that a .22 magnum high capacity pocket revolver would be the perfect concealed carry gun.
>12" penetration with clothing easily
>JHP expansion up to at least .30 cal, but with better optimized loads I bet you could bump that to .35+
>At least 9 shots in a .38 snubbie sized package
>Almost no recoil
>Cheap and fun to shoot, easy to train with (unlike 9mm compacts)
>Cheap to make because .22

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>>33804506

Shut your whore mouth, spy...

The fire rises

>>33801533
Owned a nigger classic. Raven Arms P-25. Never jammed on me unless I purposely fucked with it.

>25 over .22, But I would LOVE an oldschool browning.

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.25 all the way

>>33808538
>it's a nice pistol
No it isn't. First gun I ever got, and that thing is basically a toy.

>>33809638
Did you just enter this thread and not read the OP or are you just retarded?

>>33801801
just acquired a P32, love it. what kind of holster do you use?

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>>33801117
Why not both?
I got a colt jr .25 and a bobcat in 22lr, both are fun to shoot and have no recoil.
The only down sides are the colt mags are hard to find and expensive so I only have one and the bobcat does not have an extractor so it only really works consistently with quality high velocity .22 ammo. Dirty bulk pack ammo will foul it up and cause extraction issues after awhile.

>>33809885
>colt jr .25
Nice.
What year?
One of the imported ones or the "25 Automatic" ones?

>>33809914
1971 I think, so domestic made post GCA.
It would be nice to have a baby browning or one of those spanish made pocket guns from the 1960s.

>>33801117
Taking ammo avaibility and price out of equation, .25, but just because it's centerfire.

>>33810321
Feel .32 ACP would be a happy medium but that would probably crack apart most Zamak guns if the frame stays smaller.

>>33808776
> It is only effective with FMJ loads
This isnt true

> at that point you're much better off with a .32.
How could you justify saying that?
Nearly half the bullet weight with the same muzzle velocities. Almost the same in physical size.

>>33812444
Do you believe in science and facts, or fuddlore? .32 FMJ will penetrate 12" of gel through clothing, .380 FMJ will over penetrate. .380 JHP will either fail to expand and act like FMJ, or expand and under penetrate. Whine about superior bullet weight and muh energy dump all you want, that won't save you when you miss a follow up shot in a gun fight.

>>33801117
.22 and .25 are both shit though. There are plenty of excellent .32's and .380's out there.

>>33812832
Where do you get your stats from? Been looking into small carry pistols and had a hard time finding sources on 32acp vs 380. Just a bunch of forum posts scattered across the internet

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>>33812869
At least a few articles test them, Lucky Gunner Labs did extensive testing on .380 rounds, and with .32 all you need are tests with ball and variants of it, like this beauty. If you want recoil numbers there's a calculator for that.

>>33812832
>Do you believe in science and facts, or fuddlore?

I trust ballistic tests. And if you would actually look you would see that there are several JHP that are very consistent in the 380.
Look at any test of the hornady XTP in 380, a good 12 inches of penetration and consistent expansion.

Also, "over penetration" when talking about a 380 doesnt pose a serious risk like other rounds.
To want less penetration with half the bullet weight for the same size is just baffling.
Overpenetration is "fuddlore"

>>33812869
.380 is very popular nowadays because of the LCP. You can find a ton of actual ballistics tests on youtube using calibrated gels and such.
You wont find much on .32 because its not popular and doesnt have a huge amount of modern JHP and other ammo being made for it.

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>>33812914
>FBI recommendations are fuddlore
>To want a bullet that hits the recommended penetration depth with far less recoil is just baffling
Wow wtf I hate facts now. Also Lucky Gunner tested the XTP rounds, is this what consistent expansion looks like to you?

>>33812966
>>FBI recommendations are fuddlore

>literally not understanding the context of the "over penetration" rule and applying it to a fucking .32

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>>33812966
Also lucky gunner showed this pic
So much for your vaunted "over penetration" issues.

>>33813027
>>33813043
>He wants to risk innocent lives to prove how much stopin powah the .380 has and how smart he is
>He doesn't mention the inconsistent penetration because he knows he's wrong
>He thinks a high recoil unreliably expanding 14" penetration round is better than a 14" penetrator with over 2.5x less recoil

>>33813515
>>He doesn't mention the inconsistent penetration because he knows he's wrong

The penetration test results from the site you cited looked very consistent to me. You can whine about the expansion rate all you want, they have shown to be much more consistent in other tests ive seen. Sample size.

>>He wants to risk innocent lives to prove how much stopin powah the .380 has and how smart he is

The 380 is a woefully weak round. I to put it on the same level and test it the same way you would a 40 shows how fucking retarded you are.
Just because you want an even weaker round doesnt make you more responsible, its makes you stupid for not having an ounce of critical thinking in your skull.

>>He thinks a high recoil unreliably expanding 14" penetration round is better than a 14" penetrator with over 2.5x less recoil

If you have an issue with recoil and shot placement, thats a problem with your training. Maybe if you are a woman who carries a gun irresponsible and doesnt train with it this is a good argument.

I actually DO think that 14 inch penetration with a large wound channel from a hollow point is better than a small channel from a FMJ.

The best part about the 380?
If I were a faggot and couldnt control my gun, there is a plethora of 380 ammo out there to suit my needs.
Yes, you can even get something like the Polycase ARX 54 grain round. It would suit someone like you who thinks that something this weak is going to blow through a wall and kill a baby.
Its nice having a caliber that is popular enough to have ammo coming out for it.

>>33813719
>Recoil is literally only a problem for the untrained
So if I practice enough I can change the laws of physics too?

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>>33801117
>>33802310
>>33808538
>>33809172

this is now a .25 acp pocket pistol appreciation thread

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>>33814027

>>33813944
Not even him, but can you seriously not handle .380 recoil? and here i thought i was a bitch for not liking .40 S&W. with a few hundred rounds of practice minute of man double or even triple taps at social distances are baby farts mceasy with a compact size nine.

Aside from that, anyone who willing carries a .32 caliber auto with ball if you have a choice of any big boy caliber is tarded. FMJ creates sub caliber wounds and is much more prone to deviating off its course due to striking bone than expanding or flat nosed designs. Good luck getting one of those rounds to hit the critical anatomical structure your aiming at through somebody's raised forearms and ribs/sternum. Not even gonna get into if the guy has the audacity to be on the other side of a pane of glass or some other common place concealment/cover.

you're willfully deciding to base your self defense strategy on what is effectively a significantly more loaded roll of the dice than is necessary for extremely dubious gains.

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>>33801117
.380 is the smallest caliber I would ever carry.

>>33814049
I never said anything to that effect. I did state the obvious, that a .32 pistol will be far more controllable, and by extension more accurate.
>Good luck getting a critical hit
I'll have great luck compared to shooting a gun with over twice the recoil. Two well placed shots into center mass with a .32 are far more effective than one hit with a .380.

>>33814223
nice middle school level arguing tactic. Unless I'm stricken with the palsy or suddenly turn into an arthritic octogenarian the real question will be why I would settle for two rounds on target with a .32(stop imagining your perfect straight on COM shots, people aren't paper) when i could have 2 rounds on target of .380 instead. One of these is going to do a better job at penetrating in a straight line, while making a bigger harder to seal up hole.

Then again i don't even carry mouse guns, I don't have any difficulty concealing a 9mm thats just large enough to get a full grip on and find them plenty controllable so i go with that. you know, what with the significantly larger wound volume and better post bone/barrier performance.

>>33814223
...I'm a manlet and can easily handle the recoil of .380

Are you broken?

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>>33809179
Yo

As soon as I have the disposable cash to buy a welder, dremel, and angle grinder (yes I'm that much of a basement-dwelling poorfag), I plan to pull a Clinton Westwood for my first pistol.

>>33806084
Why would you buy a cz83 over a cz82? Seems kind of silly.

>>33813027
FBI recommends to not carry anything lower than .380. The fuck are you on about?

>>33814528
well yeah

because the FBI deals with actual threats/big shit going down

i mean i can understand wanting a larger round for the sake of one's own personal feeling of comfort, but its annoying when people on /k/ act like your garden variety mugger or home invader will be wearing a DragonSkin under a flak jacket under a leather jacket with steel plating sewed in the lining

Jamal will have a hoodie and a pair of basketball shorts or jeans, not fucking platemail

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>>33801756
P/CW380 or a Seecamp/NAA

>>33814843
The fuck are you talking about? Generally no pistol bullet is going through body armor.

>>33814843
What in the absolute fuck are you rambling about?

>>33809815
>post pocket pistols and discuss
Not sure how I didn't do that. Sterling .25s are pieces of shit that jam every other round and are known to blow up in your hand.

>>33815380

He's suggesting that the .380 requirement is because the FBI expects .380 to breach armor, instead of the truth that the FBI wants bullets that can defeat light concealment and maintain velocity to the edge of typical engagement ranges.

>>33801117
I wouldn't carry anything smaller than 9x18.

>>33815654
Can you provide proof? Not being a dick, i just can't find any information on them.

>>33801117

ITT: cheap fags and poor fags.

>>33816164
This was probably 5 or 6 years ago when I bought it then looked up information (pretty bassackwards, I know) so I can only offer personal anecdotes and "trust me", haha.

>>33813719
Lol , thanks for the chuckle dude!

>>33813944
Of course.... Come on now keep will ya!