>HK creating full line of striker-fired pistols

>>33799996
I was a brain in a jar, because this is an alternate timeline where glock doesn't exist.

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>>33800004
Too bad, you're going to miss the death of Glock in my timeline.

Don't they already have the VP9? Or are they going after a single look to do all the calibers and sizes like glock

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>>33799996
Damn. This might be a pivot in HK philosophy. Maybe they'll start to give a shit about the civilian market.

>>33800036
They have the VP9 compact. This is a VP9 subcompact a-la Glock 26.

>>33800004
This. But I have my fingers crossed just because Glocks are so fucking ubiquitous.

>>33800037
Civvy Xm8 WHEN

>They didn't lift the recoil buffer system from the P30.

Why?

>>33799996
More like they realized cz is going to take over completely.

P-09 > USP
75 > hi-power
>and soon
P-10 > every other striker fired pistol.

HK is getting left behind.

>>33800043
I'd like to see them do a full size updated Mark 23 that isn't 2k and holds more than 10 rounds. Maybe a striker fired polymer version. That'd be a game changer.

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>>33800062
Fuck off, shill. The USP is miles better than any pistol CZ has ever made.

>>33800037
They give a shit, but they're very burned by Clinton(And I can understand why) in the late 80s to early 90s.

To be perfectly honest, I love the way the P30 feels in my hand, even with the funky mag release, but noone is going to "Defeat" glock. It's like saying you're going to "Defeat" Kraft cheese, or "Defeat" the Ford F Series. It's a object that's so engraved in our culture that only it's complete removal will allow for someone to come in and sweep their market share.

They're a very reliable firearm at a price point that's high enough not to make them 100% pedestrian, with little-to-no issues, good customer service, lots of models, the largest fucking aftermarket of any handgun, rival only to the goddamn 1911 of all things, they're lightweight, and they make them in all popular calibers.

You don't beat that with a little contouring and a slick ad campaign.

And this is coming from someone who really doesn't like them, and owns only one glock.

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All I really want is a civilian MP7, and I don't care if it's $2999.

Also, I totally forgot, but a civilian XM8 would be cool. SL8 prices are stupid if you want to buy two to convert one into a G36 and one into an XM8.

>>33799996
I owned several glocks, HKs, Walthers and more

The VP9 was trash. Too big for what it was, small mag size for its size, gets beat by mud/dirt/sand far too easily.

Glock, in the end, is always the best.

>>33800055
>checked
Repeating digits says 55 solar cycles.

>>33800179
>gets beat by mud/dirt/sand far too easily
kys MAC

>tfw bought a vp9 like 3 weeks before they started anouncing all these new models
does that mean i get to be a hipster about them now?

>>33799996
HK says the new handgun will feature “the highly-rated HK VP precision strike trigger” that “surpasses those found on competitors.”

HK actually marketing a product to civilians? What timeline is this?

http://www.guns.com/2017/04/24/new-heckler-koch-striker-fired-pistol-vp9sk/

>>33800080
You sound like the shill.
The p-09 is better than the USP.

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>>33799996
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CuFf5h17L4

if you did this with the HK, it would snapp of that flimsy trigger guard and thet would be it. tray as everybody may, they will enver unseat the king of handguns that is Glock.

>>33800265
>You don't like Glock?!?! Well heres this super contrived youtube test that [insert handgun here] would not do well in SO GLOCK PERFECTION™ IS CLEARLY BETTER!!!
Glock fanboys are the worst.

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>>33800289
sorry mate9, I have the USP Compact LEM too and I would trade it in a heartbeat for a Gen4 G26 in FDE. sadly, Glock does not sell those here in Austria for some weird reason.

>>33800072
>striker fired
>Mark 23 descendant
No.

HK prices

>>33800080
>9mm
>bigger than the truck balls on my RV (pretty big)
>somehow "better" than any modern polymer da/sa handgun

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>>33800062
CZ break more than other major brands, they shoot great, but use shitty cheap metals. It hurts to hear because it's true.

https://pistol-training.com/archives/3218

>>33800309
>post generic web pic
>says he has a LEM and posts a DA/SA
>make other retarded claims

go to bed Europe, you're drunk and ignorant

>>33799999
Oh shit

>>33800700
I have both trigger modules you mean, mean man.

>>33800062
You are retarded.
USP is better than any mass produced gun in the world.

>>33800796
>USP is better than any mass produced gun in the world.

no. and I'm saying that as an ethnic germong.

>>33800683
You're talking about the old world trigger set up of the 75 series's with all its little springs. The omega system they use now, similar in p-09, is much more robust, your argument is totally invalid. The p-09 is better, feels better and has a better trigger than the USP.

>>33800796
No you are

>>33800683
>single data negative point
>ignoring that it's the most adopted design in the world
>ignoring that they passed NATO testing

>>33800162
Tfw I had to pass up an $800 sl8

>>33800986

My condolences.

>>33800986
YOU BLEW IT

>>33800162

Wait for Century Arms to clone it.

Holy shit...Block fanboys got nothing on the Cult of CZ.

>>33800986
??????

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>>33801006
>>33801092
I just couldn't spend the money. I would have lived the poorfag life for a bit and bought it but my sister's car shit the bed and needed just under $800 in repairs.

We'll have to wait and see how reliable they are. If they are, I'll be dumping my Glock.

>>33799996
But Canik already defeated the 19 and 17.

>>33799996
Still over here with my Berretta and 1911 and Jewricho enjoying steel frames

>>33800179
>Vp9 too big for bitch hands
>Somehow a fuck huge glock block is smaller

I would rather have a 200 dollar tangfolio than any HK handgun. HK owners think that because they paid out the ass its a better gun. Who gives a fuck about striker fire trash anyways? Making a glock knockoff isnt going to kill glock you dumb fanboy shitheads.

>>33801122
The bitch could have walked. The fuck is wrong with you?

>>33799996
not for $700+ instead of ~$550 across the board for all models shapes and sizes.

Gen 5 glocks are literally done and waiting for the right moment to shit on whichever up and ocmer thinks theyre going to outsell glock

>implying striker fired is a thing to be beat, not a thing to be emotionally left behind to be remembered fondly as "that time when decent pistols were really cheap but all had shitty handling and triggers"

CZp10C is the g19 killer if anything, but even then you're not saying very much of anything, youre trying to kill a piece of shit with a bronze plated piece of shit, if it's striker fired DAO you've got so many core issues to figure out it's not even relevant.

>>33801107

Never ever.

>>33801262
>striker=POS

>hey there Mr. Edgy. Gen 5 glocks are literally done and waiting for the right moment to shit on whichever up and ocmer thinks theyre going to outsell glock

I'm kinda scared of ambi slide catch Glocks with front serrations and all that other shit. that would really ruin the gun for me.

>>33800072
This might be the most retarded post I have ever read.

I bought the VP9LE to potentially replace my G19 as my go-to gun for USPSA Production. Compared to G19:

>better trigger
>better ergos
>better factory sights
>more accurate in slow fire

BUT

>$200 more than Grock
>high bore axis
>recoil is snappier than Grock (follow-up shots suffer)
>retarded charging tabs on slide
>doesn't point as well as Grock (subjective)
>same size as G17, but only holds 15 rounds
>sold both kidneys and my liver to buy extra mags

I sold the VP9 out of principle. It costs more than a G19, but isn't more gun. If the VP9LE and mags cost the same as a G19, I'd reconsider it.

>>33801348
>VP9LE
>LE

what's the difference?

>retarded charging tabs on slide

you didn't want to remove them/sand them down?

>>33801437

Tritium night sights on the LE and three mags instead of two, but I might be wrong on the mag thing.

I removed them for a bit, but got sick of looking at the gaping hole. Sanding them would smooth out the rear of the gun, right where a pinch would require texture. The tabs were shitty, but definitely the least of my complaints with the gun overall.

>>33801116
>angry hk owner with broken vp9

>>33801210
>t. roach

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>>33800062
>>33800933
>>33800962
obligatory

>>33802163
Oh and to add to this here are the list of "NATO approved" pistols:
>Glock 17
>Glock 19
>Sig 226 (used by Canada)
>Sig 228
>Hi-Power (used by U.K., Canada)
>Beretta 92 (used by U.S.)
>CZ 75 B
>CZ-PO1

They all passed NATO "testing" because generally they are also the same standard sidearms issued by the respective militaries of each nation. Theres nothing special about being a NATO approved gun, and all of the claims made here are EXACTLY paraphrased from CZs own website.

>>33802163
>>33802371
I've fully conceded that in the narrowest sense of the old 75 action, the old world style with lots of parts and tiny little spring everywhere, there is a lot more chance for something to break. I mean have you ever detail stripped one of those fuckers? It's like dissembling a Swiss watch. That said, the action in the p-09 is not the same. It's basically the same as the 75 omega trigger which is a more modern and simpler more rugged design. What I'm saying is that you are cherry picking to the extreme and your entire argument is invalid when applied to modern cz designs. Even the old cz's shoot nice but nobody tried to compare the the 75 to the USP, only the p-09 to the cz. The 75 is a better hi-power and the p-09 is a better choice to a USP which is the other gun it's most like.
>but muh 40+ year old 75 actions are more likely to have a spring
Totally irrelevant faggot.

>>33802163
>>33802371
"Look! This random anon has an anecdotal piece of evidence and an argument with no evidence! CHECKMATE CZ USERS"

Also;
"basicly"
"There are almost consistent threads"
"It's been shot down by professional instructors"
No sauce
No objective facts of any kind listed, just opinion and anecdote

Congratulations, you're modern fudd

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>>33800162
The Kel-Tec CMR-30 is as close a copy of the MP7 they could make without infringing on anything. Shame it's in rimfire.

>>33802639
>Congratulations, you're modern fudd

the 75 is and all steel and therefore heavy gun with a customizeable trigger and high capacity - therefore it lends itself to being a starting platform for competition race gun mods. other than that, it has literally no merit.

>>33802661
is that just in .22LR or what?

are 5.7 / 4.6 still proprietary rounds? why has nobody made another 5.7 /4.6 firearm

>>33802741
>why has nobody made another 5.7 /4.6 firearm

bc M4s and SBR ARs are a thing. likewise, a simple AP 9mm made from a hardened steel slug with a copper jacket swaged on will provide the same soft armour penetration that the five seven provides.

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>>33802684
Whatever man, I like mine.
>Muh stock cz's at 10 yards.

>>33802594
I'm not the guy who said CZ was bad or that the USP was good.
I'm saying that most of the hard shilling for the gun is unjustified, since it does nothing special compared to its contemporaries.

>>33802639
>all that caps lock autism
If you don't believe me then look for yourself. All I ever hear about CZ from you people can be found in their own website next to their MSRP.
Also, try not to get so upset over a medium range priced handgun.

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>>33802163
That is one of the most delusional, self-unaware fucking posts I can say I have ever seen on fucking 4chan. It's actually quite impressive.

>A firearm that gets recommended(sic) ad nauseam(sic) with no respect to what the individual in question wants and with no considerations for the (sometimes very real) deficiencies of the gun
>A gun that gets recommended over and fucking over
>No matter what the person says or asks for
>No consideration for the faults of the fucking thing

>This isn't literally describing the fucking Glock, particularly on /k/

>>33803057
what are the Glock's faults in your humble opinion pls?

>>33803057
Your entire post is hinging on the idea that its defending Glocks. It's not, and neither am I.

>>33800000

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>>33803069
>"I don't want a Glock."
>Get a Glock anyways lol

>"I don't like the cost, I can go just a bit higher for something with more features or get something equivalent for less."
>But they're all just copying the Glock get the Glock. What are you, a poorfag?

>"But it's like $630 or some shit, that's a lot."
>No it isn't it can always be had for $500 or so and you can always find the exact model you want used. Or just use Blue Label man, that cuts it right down!

>"I don't know anyone for Blue Label."
>Sucks to suck I guess

>"Okay, but what about the sights? I didn't like them (At the store, on friend's gun). Can I get different sights?"
>Yeah just send them to the gunsmith and have them put on the three dots

>"But that's going to cost me like $150-200 altogether, doesn't that defeat the whole fucking point?"
>Lol what are you a fucking poorfag what you don't want to use the best pistol ever

>"Why can't I just buy something else? If I spend that much I can get something better or I can just get something cheaper."
>WHAT ARE YOU A POORFAG IT'S THE BEST PISTOL EVER EVERYONE FUCKING USES IT

tl;dr: Now that I got my spergout out of the way

>Cost is garbage for what you get in the current market where everyone has copied the design
>Having to replace the sights, a basic function, out of the box is unacceptable
>Ergonomics like a fucking brick
>Exacerbated by the finger grooves, which they have refused to release for whatever reason
>Lacking features (Ambidexterity, smoother trigger, etc.) from equivalently placed polymer striker pisols

That's before I criticize more subjective things or business practices, but there's faults. They are inadequate in the civilian market, and have become "so respected and popular" in military and police circles not because they're superior, but because they were first, frequent, and cheap. Militaries don't use sidearms much, so just give them the cheap, reliable brick. That doesn't cut it in the wider market, not anymore.

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>>33803110
>....as if that's somehow not Glocks.

While I will admit that's technically correct, within context it's clearly comparative to Glocks, if not outright in defense. It's largely a pissing match between two annoying groups of fans, but still.

Both the CZ and the Glock are fine guns, but all the posts you replied to, basically, are in the vein of people saying there are things superior to Glocks, you're defending the Glocks. Your defenses are somewhat valid, but still.

And, again, considering the definition of the "Meme Pistol," used as an epithet, it's hard to see how Glocks don't fall right in that category as well.

>>33799996
> highly kucked
>ripping off based glock

good luck

>>33803359
>beta as fuck

>>33803452
>create first poly framed double action striker handgun

>make a single action striker poly framed handgun decades later

>"lol you copied glock"

This is how you indentify summer posting, gentlemen

CZ fan boys are literally dunning-kruger cognitive dissonance victims, it's hilarious.

t. ex owner of 3 CZs, some nice shooting guns with terrible quality control and materials.

>>33801348

>Already had VP9
>"Damn this gun is $200 more than a Glock! I better sell it..."
>Sell gun

Whadda you, one of them re-tahds?

>>33801210

I hate how Caniks look. I find them so ugly, that I see Glock being more aesthetically pleasing to the eye, which is sad.

>>33803758
caniks are fucking hideous.

>>33803359
I understand that the image can be conveyed that way, but I mainly post it to counter the wild claims made by fanboys and trolls. Anyone who has used them know they are just fine as guns, but claim they are the best and they will naturally be put to scrutiny, just as Glocks and HKs should be too.

>>33799996
They ain't defeating shit with their overly complicated internals. who the fuck thought that an non user serviceable, glued in place, braided trigger return spring was a good idea.

>>33803867
they're all garbage, beretta is clearly superior in every way.

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>>33803867
Yeah, that's more than fair. It just plays odd to me when it's in defense of Glocks in any way, which is on me. I'm just sick of the fucking love parade for them, really.

>>33799996
>defeat Glock

hahaha, it's been over for at least a decade. glock has been dominating since the 80's with no competitors, man.

get real, just another brand emulating glock , and attempting to steal away a small percentage of their market. late as fuck might i add.

get real.

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>>33801213
This

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>>33800179
>>33800265

>Glock, in the end, is always the best.
>they will enver unseat the king of handguns that is Glock
>i have only ever shot glocks therefore muh glock perfection

Lol the delusion of glock fanbois and being conditioned to use only shit guns

>>33802823
Holy fuck! 10 yards? Tell me how you do it.

>>33803249
>Sending a Glock to a $40 per hour gunsmith
>For sights
Please tell me nobody does this, or even considers doing this.

>>33803249
>Cost is garbage for what you get in the current market where everyone has copied the design
Other designs don't really offer anything that the glock doesn't have. And the glock aftermarket is more than enough to make up for any deficiencies you think it may have. The p10 c because they're copying the general shape, might be relatively ok, but the only thing they'll be able to use are glock holsters, and not triggers or mags or other cool stuff.
>Having to replace the sights, a basic function, out of the box is unacceptable
You need to do this for every pistol, not just glocks, unless your gun comes with tritium night sights that you like out of the box. In fact, this is actually a point for glocks, because they're less likely to scratch your slide when removing them.
>Ergonomics like a fucking brick
Subjective. I think they're more comfortable and point more naturally than any of their competitors.
>Exacerbated by the finger grooves, which they have refused to release for whatever reason
They have 2 generations without them and 2(soon to be 3) with them.
>Lacking features (Ambidexterity, smoother trigger, etc.) from equivalently placed polymer striker pisols
They are ambidextrous except for the slide stop, which you shouldn't use anyway unless you're a shitter. Only the compact models come with a serrated trigger, which some people(including me) like because it's grippier.

Glocks also don't cost $630 new even with 10 mags thrown in.

You may not have known this, but you can replace sights yourself. It's a fairly simple operation.

>>33805780
Meant to say 2 with and 2(soon to be 3) without

>>33799996
Its funny how even a Makarov is more reliable than this HK gun. Look up the videos by Military Arms Channel on YouTube. He torture tested both... Makarov came out better.

>>33805867
>Even a blowback combloc weapon

Off yerself, guvnor.

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I'm still holding out for a single stack 9mm from H&K

>>33800179
I bought a VP9 Tactical today.
I don't have huge hands but the large grip panels make the gun feel fucking amazing.
I agree 15 rounds feels a little lackluster but the grip is fucking phenomenal just like on the Walther PPQ which is also a 15+1 gun.
I was a hardcore gen 3 glock fanatic until I started fucking around with other guns.

Still love Glock. There's literally no other handgun that compares when it comes to aftermarket except maybe 1911s and even then with Glocks it's all just drop in shit you can do at home.

>tl;dr: it's ok to like ALL guns you don't have to give one brand your undying devotion like a Dark Souls covenant

>>33805867
>Look up the videos by Military Arms Channel on YouTube.
Ohboyherewego.jpg

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>>33803701

>can't into reading comprehension

>>33800700
This.

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>>33805867
>>33808391

>thingsthatdontmatter.jpg


not even a vp9 guy but seriously, these tests are dumb as fuck and if any one of you had your pistol fail because you were in a situation and experiencing conditions where these kind of things could happen you're literally in a cartoon or movie

Hurr my pistol can fire is unrealistic standards but has parts break in 10,000 rounds, the pistol that last 90,000 rounds and fails this arbitrary and nonsensical test is clearly inferior.

Your qualifier is a soft mud soaked gun operating out of the box in some less than quantified test, mine is a gun that I can shoot 1,000 rounds a week through and rely upon to work.

Stop getting your i9nformation from people who sell guns for a living.

LARPers and morons, ladies and gents.

>>33808268
Glock has its very own place that can't really be substituted effectively
>Those damn ears

>>33801262
>gen 5 glocks will be better

Oh please, the fucking first versions broke. It's just another glock like all the other glocks and other companies started making better versions of their own gun 20 years ago.

Pretty awesome how the military's of the world care about MACs testing standards right?

Oh wait, they don't.


No one cares, people who shoot pistols care about mechanical reliability, military's who purchase guns care about the same thing, these arbitrary and non-reality based scenarios don't have an influence on how pistols work or are measured.

>Bragging that you gun can be laid in dirt in a way it never will be and cycle rounds

vs

>Shooting 800 rounds a week and having a product that will keep up with you

I guess we just have different priorities /k/