What is the cutest modern tank and why it is T-90?

>>33794198
yeah, things that are small and helpless generally are pretty cute, I'll give ya that

>>33794198
Bawwwww

>>33794219
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>Cute.
>Red, beady eyes fucking eye balling me.

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the type 10 would like to disagree

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>modern

come on, you're severely limiting a potentially great thread

>>33794198
Are those IR jammer (red eyes) effective?

>>33794605
That thing looks like a plush Leopard 2.

>>33796993

>Are those IR jammer (red eyes) effective?

Nope.

Not a single combat video of them deflecting or jamming an ATGM.

>>33794198
*nuzzles your bulgie wulgie* rawr

>>33797352
Isn't those Shtoras been active in current Syrian combat?

>>33794219
>yeah, things that are small and helpless generally are pretty cute, I'll give ya that
>helpless
not much more than those Abrams and Leopard 2s, both of which have confirmed multiple destructions.

>>33797352
>Not a single combat video of them deflecting or jamming an ATGM.
Why would they upload failures?

>>33794219
fpbp

>>33796993
Reports from Ukraine indicates that they are useful. Then again, Ukraine use slavshit trash so it's no too much of an achievement.
TOW-2 and beyond encode the IR beacon making shtora useless.

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>>33794198
>Cutest modern tank
>T-90
no

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>>33794605

>Implying the Stuart can't be modern

>>33799513
>TOW-2 and beyond encode the IR beacon making shtora useless.
Doesn't matter if its encoded or not, its a broadband IR jammer. What the TOW-2 did is add a UV flare and a guidance channel utilizing UV signals to bypass IR jamming.

>>33796993
>Are those IR jammer (red eyes) effective?
Since most ATGMs are guided via IR, yes.

>>33799422
>Why would they upload failures?

There's hundreds of TOW launches filmed by the Islamist terrorists that American supplies. None of them have ever recorded a successful Shtora jamming.

>>33799631
>Since most ATGMs are guided via IR, yes.

Idiot.

The Shtora system has to be basically pointing directly at the ATGM control unit to have any effectiveness, which is nearly impossible because Shtora doesn't have an active radar, just a passive laser warning sensor, which is useless since the TOW launcher doesn't even have a laser rangerfinder.

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>>33799538
kawaii

*blush* i-it's not like i want to shoot or anything b-baka

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>>33796993
Yes, they are.

>>33800524
>There's hundreds of TOW launches filmed by the Islamist terrorists that American supplies. None of them have ever recorded a successful Shtora jamming.
The only one who can say what and how many they recorded are the jihadists themselves. We only of what they upload, and from their POV why would they upload failed ATGM attacks?

>>33800535
>Idiot.
>The Shtora system has to be basically pointing directly at the ATGM control unit to have any effectiveness, which is nearly impossible because Shtora doesn't have an active radar, just a passive laser warning sensor, which is useless since the TOW launcher doesn't even have a laser rangerfinder.
Its called tactics you moron. Do you complain that tanks only have thick armor at their frontal projections too?

>>33800604
Against older Russian missiles, like the test of Shtora on a BMP-3 in your webm.

>>33800674
They have to record every missile shot if they want more missiles, not just the ones they are successful with.

>>33799631

TOW-2 has a frequency modulated flare. The launcher knows which IR source is and isn't the missile because no other IR source has that frequency.

Shtora doesn't know what frequency the control unit is looking for so it can't jam TOW-2.

>>33794198
Wouldn't those IR counter measures just be a super obvious target on any thermal imaging system?

Ignoring the glowing red lights those also have massive heat sinks on the back of them.

>>33794576

that thing looks fat af

>>33794576
It's not kawaii

>>33799631
>Doesn't matter if its encoded or not, its a broadband IR jammer
The flare is a xenon tube, it always radiates at a known wavelength. What it does to prevent jamming, confusion by other TOW missiles that might stray into view and fires, is to pulse the light at a randomized frequency. The frequency is generated by the launcher and sent via the control wires, systems liks Shtora has no way of countering such encoding. One would think that a simple UV lamp could counter an additional UV beacon.

>>33800806

Still, why would you publicise your failures? That is just bad propaganda.

>>33801723
The 50 tons of self-propelled metal are already an obvious target on thermal imaging.

>>33800806
>They have to record every missile shot if they want more missiles, not just the ones they are successful with.
You'd think their benefactors don't have emails or something to receive videos from, no upload that shit to YT so they can see it...

>>33801183
>>33804446
Doesn't matter. The point is the lamps radiate white noise at a much higher power setting than can be achieved by the onboard batteries on the missiles and at higher frequencies. Its not enough to get lucky and get a pulse or two especially in the terminal phase where the system works its magic

>One would think that a simple UV lamp could counter an additional UV beacon.
It would also consume a lot of onboard power and add even more outgoing signals.

>>33796993
They are effective against old SACLOS ATGMs like Fagot, Konturs and early TOW.
>>33799631
It is not broadband. It just mimics IR beacon of some SACLOS ATGMs. This is why this lamps work in conjunction with modulators. By the way, even the first variant of TOW was invulnerable to any existing IR spotlight when it was designed. Also TOW-2 has no UV flare. It has additional thermal beacon, which tracked by thermal sight. It can't be jammed by any lamps too.
>>33800604
It is demonstration of BMP-3M with TSHu-1-7 against Konkurs in 2003. This event takes place in UAE.

>>33808138
>Also TOW-2 has no UV flare.

Actually it does.

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>>33808563
It has only xenon and thermal beacons.

>>33799619
That's like a whole different tank

>>33808601
>It has only xenon
Xenon is UV.

>By the way, even the first variant of TOW was invulnerable to any existing IR spotlight when it was designed.
>They are effective against old SACLOS ATGMs like Fagot, Konturs and early TOW.
What are you even saying here?

>>33809043
>Xenon is UV.
Xenon beacon in TOW is actually operating as IR flare.
>The infrared source on the aft end of the missile supplied a bean of modulated energy from the missile to the infrared sensor on the launcher for precision tracking of the missile. The infrared source consisted of an xenon arc lamp, an electronic modulator, beam-forming optics.
http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a434477.pdf
>What are you even saying here?
I'm trying to say that even early TOW can't be jammed just by strong IR source. There is a difference between powerful IR spotlight and jammer with modulated IR source.

>>33809267
The TOW manual states that the launchers must be 50m separate so the missiles dont interfere with each other's tracking systems, and that the missile cannot be used if the sun is rising or setting behind the target, the manual also states that best hit probability vs. a jamming target is achieved by using TOW-2 instead of ITOW

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>>33794198
Just imagine seeing glowing red eyes in the distance and hearing a roaring engine drawing closer, the ground starts shaking, and knowing that they can see you. Cute, the T90 is fucking terrifying!

>>33809480
>The TOW manual states that the launchers must be 50m separate so the missiles dont interfere with each other's tracking systems
According to FM 3-22.34 range between TOW launchers must be more than 300 meters. Though TOW-2 has no such restrictions.
>missile cannot be used if the sun is rising
Can't find that.
>or setting behind the target
And not only because of interference but possible gunner's eye damage.

>>33809607
I'm reading the finnish manual for pstohj83 which is a manual for ITOW, TOW-2 and TOW-2A, I'm unsure why there'd be such differences in the manuals

>>33809607
>>33809623
now that I've read further the FM explicitly states that the TOW-2 cannot be jammed, I guess they know their shit