Has small arms design peaked?

>>33790579
I really want one of those motherfuckers

are they shit?

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>>33790579
Yes, small arms designs have peaked, it's gotten so bad that budget pistols for 300 usd are just as good as guns for 800 dollars.

But then again, for us consumers that's a good thing.

Modern handguns have peaked since the Glock entered the scene. Everything of note that's come after has been a variation/clone/interpretation of it with this or that feature with few exceptions. At least Kahr came out with single stacked Glocks before it was cool.

My fucking kingdom for a subcompact 10mm. The Glock 29 is close but it's Xbox heug.

>>33790648
This is why I'm mostly interested in shit for reasons other than function. It will all function roughly the same, particularly for my purposes.

firearms would be what you call a "mature technology". There will be no more revolutionary designs, only small improvements

>>33790579
Considering that the brown bess served for over a hundred years, no.

>>33790653
A subcompact 10mm is pointless. You get massive recoil, low capacity, and lose practically all of the superior ballistics due to the short barrel.

>>33790586
designed by "strong wymen" so most likely extreme shit

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>>33790579
No, of course not-wait. Is that a Glock-style upper on a 1911-style frame? Gross... Anyway, there's plenty of stuff that hasn't been fully explored, mainly because we keep reusing designs we know work instead of spending millions on designs that might work.

Take this Bond Arms Bullpup. It fits a four-inch barrel into a five-inch gun by moving the action behind the trigger. Simple as hell, brilliant as fuck.

Look to the smaller manufacturers and you'll find a lot of innovation you'll miss watching the bigger manufacturers paint by numbers.

>>33790684
Oh yeah? Well you're a faggot!

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>>33790579
CZ perfected the hi-power

>>33790664
I'm going to get a lot of shit for saying this, but in terms of innovation, Taurus is about the only one who has had anything lately and that was the Curve.

I don't care if you think it sucks, it was something DIFFERENT and they dared to challenge the market with it.

>>33790693
Brilliant until you take into account there have been various pistols in the past to use a very similar design. Look up the Mars pistol series.

>>33790684
>Low capacity
.45 subcompacts exist.
>Recoil
Also .357 Magnum snubbies
>Mah ballz
Still better than 9mm/.40/.45 of equivalent spec.

>>33790579
Well, now we race towards standardization and adopting the best improvements.

The Boberg XR9 has a really great idea in using a "bullpup" style mechanism to get the most out of a pistol's barrel. The design needs refinement, but the major firms could attempt to duplicate the success and go from there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TSva89jbNM
https://youtu.be/LEdn23C95aQ

rotating barrels ala the PX4

http://www.personaldefenseworld.com/2016/04/7-locked-breech-rotary-barrel-pistols-from-beretta-grand-power/#beretta-px4-storm-3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Yd_Q2oMhbI

Major improvements such as Carbon composite barrels, are a ways off. The only other "improvement" would be a simplification of the trigger mechanism with a well developed and ruggedized solenoidal firing pin.

Basically, its all fringe shit at this point in a race to who can make the best lightweight tack driver. we will probably see a few more improvements in Cartridges with thicker walls and more powerful propellant/ smaller primers.

>>33790706
>I'm going to get a lot of shit for saying this, but in terms of innovation, Taurus is about the only one who has had anything lately

Did you forget that Kel-Tec exists? They deserve recognition for it more than Taurus at the very least, considering that the big boom in modern pocket autos was started by them.

>>33790710
This

People will poo poo the .357 snubbies, but they still greatly outperform their .38 special relatives.

>>33790715
Again, Mars pistol for Boberg.

Rotating barrels have been around awhile.

A neato (if not common) 1911 styled hangun:
http://www.gunsandammo.com/historical/the-45-obregon-pistol-a-mexican-1911/

Also look into older Savage pistols.

>>33790733
True. But Kel-Tec is great at coming up with new ideas, terrible in their execution.

They can't keep up with demand and can have a alot of issues.

>>33790715
Rifle ammo has been getting interesting again.
>.300blk
>6.5 Creedmoor and 6.5 Grendel
>.458 SOCOM
>Hornady's new ballistic tip levergun ammo
Pistol ammo has about peaked since there's only so much you can do with such a tiny cartridge, especially if you want to avoid excessive felt recoil. Look at how badly .460 Rowland can fuck up your hands, as cool as it is in concept.

>>33790579
innovation in ammunition comes before innovation in arms

>>33790761
Specialty ammo like that has been around in wildcat form for a long time mainly for silhouette and hunting.

Also, 300 Whisper is where it's at. 300 BLK just took advantage of one of the few redeeming aspects of the AR-15

>>33790586
>1911 grip
>glock meme trigger
It'll be really mediocre and people will lap it up.

>>33790703
The Cz75 is not a Hi-Power and you're a faggot for saying this.

>S&W 5906 is a Hi-Power clone
>Sig P226 is a Hi-Power clone

>>33790786
>one of the few redeeming aspects of the AR-15
So everything about it?
Only cucks deny the superiority of the AR15

>inb4 muh piston
>inb4 muh folding stock

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Anybody who owns anything other than a Hi-Point is a gear queer.
Anyone who claims that the marginal improvements in his gun are worth the 500-1000 extra dollarydoos is a STUPID gear queer.

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>>33790837
>The Cz75 is not a Hi-Power

Apologize.

>>33790817
Don't forget, it's a Glock/1911 double-meme trigger since it has the Glock triggersafety and a straight pull moon shape like a 1911. This gun is basically a double-stacked shootyfedora.

>>33790859
>Anything more expensive than a pipe shotgun
Stupid elitists who fell for the Hipoint jew should just kill themselves with their $200 paperweight

>>33790889
149 dollahs and 99 cents if you please

>>33790847
Nice bait, I also troll from time through time

>>33790869
No, it is not a Hi-Power clone.

It's hammer fired and short recoil, that's it.

>>33790761
this is where we need to start looking towards recoil mitigation methods like the finnish jatimatic or Vector mechanisms.

>>33790743
you fail to understand marsfag, there is no comment on new innovations, but innovations that make sense with the modern tooling we have now, and what could go towards refining the concept of a handgun.

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>>33790579
pistol technology was perfected in 1911, everything after was tangential, superfluous or a gimmick

>>33790706
do you collect participation trophies

>>33791331
Absolute memes, both only vaguely helps mitigate muzzle climb in full-auto on blowback guns.

They wouldn't do shit on a gas operated rifle and only take up space, we already have a buffer on the AR15

they should introduce caseless ammo for pistols.

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>>33792659
Makes sense when you think about it. Caseless makes trouble on full auto guns, especially machine guns, because the case is supposed to absorb so much of the generated heat and act as a throwaway heatsink. But pistols or bolt action guns fire slowly and much less in general, so they don't have the problem of overly huge heat generation / retention.

If you'd want to introduce caseless ammo, best to start on a bolt action platform or a pistol, then work your way upwards on the volume of fire scale and figure out the heat issues as you move on.

>>33792659
Caseless will never catch on in the commercial market, if you can't reload/handload it's not worth peoples time, it would be for very niche target shooting at best.

One of the (really quite many) reasons the Gyrojet failed was that it was a very expensive and not that well performing cartridge, that you couldn't handload or reload.

>>33792740
>97% of people shooting
>giving a fuck about reloading
Lets be real here, almost all of the people getting miffed about less brass laying around would be the brass vultures that hound the ranges out there. Caseless could most likely be produced at much less cost than cased ammo (unless the patent holders choke the fuck out of the market obv) since you don't need to spend dolla dolla bill yo on buying, operating and maintaining the massive machinery necessary to stamp cases out of brass plate, AND don't have to play for all that extra metal either. Since, you know, caseless is basically just injection moulded powder around the projectile, it'd offer itself up for much cheaper mass production that way.

>>33790688
To be clear, it was designed by her pussywhipped husband who LET her say she "designed" it.

We'll see how shit it is when I get mine.

>>33790586
Nobody knows
It's not released
There is no point in asking

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>>33790579
>Has small arms design peaked?
No, there have been a ton of recent advancements and there's no reason to believe that the most recent advancements are the last. Recently we've seen:
>machineguns that take advantage of newer computer aided development techniques, allowing them to be made lighter
>the LSAT program, which would take me more words than I can fit in a single post to explain all the advantages of
>the XM25 program, which would allow soldiers to engage the enemy when they're behind cover out to 600+ meters and uses grenade with a flat enough trajectory that they can be fired through windows
>the Raytheon Pike, which allows a soldier with a normal 40mm grenade launcher to engage light vehicles out to 2000 meters
>the new 5.56x45mm M855A1, which will still fragment and maintain 12+ inches of penetration even when fired from a 7.5" barrel at 2300 FPS, all while not using a meme machined bullet design so it can actually be affordable
>the AimLock program (pic related), which is working on active stabilization for rifles to make shots fired unsupported just as easy to take as if your gun was supported on something
>the TrackingPoint rifles
If you think guns aren't still advancing then you just aren't paying attention.

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>>33790586
Low capacity.
Only 9mm.
only thing going for it is the "low bore" and "glock/1911 fusion"
overpriced to all hell, and popular for no real reason.

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>>33794560
It's popular because of shill marketing

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>>33794560
>>33794573
Wrong pic

>>33790586
The current hype kind of reminds me of the Strike One. If my hunch is right it'll be different and neat but not groundbreaking, and everyone already has a Glock/1911, so "meh" will be the consensus.

Fuck me, that was an abortion of a sentence.

>>33790648
I don't get why these guns are so loved here. I see them crap out all the time.

>>33795173
>I don't get why these guns are so loved here
They're cheap and aren't hipoints. It's the same reason nuggets and SKSes were so beloved and now everyone's getting a cheap AR.

>>33791358
Linkless for life, nigga. Fite me.

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>>33795173
The Strike One is not hype, alright? Try manna from heaven..

Canik takes the same mags hmmmmmmm

>>33795209
That's seriously depressing, no one should have to live like that. We should put together something like low interest micro loans to uplift these poor unfortunates. At least get them Glocks or Walthers.

>>33795276
Whatever you say, Ivan. Or Giuseppe. I can't remember who designed it, but I think it's made in Italy, right?

>>33795311
The polymer is 3 times stronger than a glock.. Special manufacture process

>>33795425
Million time folded plastic