which was the biggest military fuck up in history?

>>33764726
Mussolini roping Italy into World War 2 when the nation wasn't ready in any industrial, military, or economic capacity.

t. mildly salty spaghetti man

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Nothing else even comes close.

>>33764726
>Both U.S. and Canadian forces mistook each other as the Japanese and, as a result of friendly fire, 28 Americans and 4 Canadians were killed, with wounded on either side.
Must have been their beady eyes, bobbly heads, and waking around saying "aboot" all of the time that caused the confusion.

The Emu war

>be Australian
>fight in World War I
>start a new life farming in the middle of nowhere
>all of a sudden a bunch of birds come and drink some water
>declare war on said birds
>go in with Lewis guns and artillery
>kill 12 birds
>go home in shame

>>33765326
source?

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>>33764726
That's not even close, doesn't even hold a candle to Exercise Tiger.

>>33765294
this

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>>33765371
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emu_War

>>33765421
It's as if God designated a man to be kicked in the balls his entire life.

Does Admiral Rozhestvensky's tale ever get better?

>>33765519
Nope
He died in 1909, a recluse, he at least avoided execution, the Tsar knew he had been wounded in the head during the battle and couldn't be held accountable for the poor state of the fleet regardless

>>33765163
>Yanks BTFO

>>33766283
I've read that later in life, he "died" and got delivered news about his own funeral.
Poor guy can't do anything right.

>>33764726
Karansebes is the greatest military fuck up in history. Prove me wrong.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Karánsebes

Pro tip: you can't

>>33766319
Most likely never happened.

>>33766319
Jesus Christ

>>33766330
Wow, good source friend. It's almost kind it was a documented event during (one of the many) Austro-Turkish Wars.

Good home, Leopold

>>33766357
>it's almost like it
Damn phone

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>>33764726

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>>33766344
The fog of war is a bitch, mang.

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>>33765082

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>>33765294

>>33766399
... how did they track this?

Why did it go on for so long?

>>33766527
Lots of scientists who deal with chimpanzees and other primates are extremely good at visual identification. Its the only way they can get a close eye without interfering.

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>>33766375

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>>33764726
Can it be an entire service? If so, my humble suggestion is pic related.

>>33766571
Shots fired. I say again, shots fired.

>>33764726
my nightmare is I'll get drafted and die due to something like this

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>>33764726
In the RN, we like to have at least one of the biggest fuckups in military history once a week. It keeps things fresh. Pic related.

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>>33764726
How about the Japanese never figuring out how to into ASW tactics?

>>33766513
This shit can't be real

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>>33765082
Christ...

>>33766571
That's really sad.
Peter the Great did so much to give Russia a competent Navy and led to...that.

The one contribution I can say the Soviet Navy gave in WW2 was escorting the Arctic Convoys.

>>33765082
Which is worse: being under Cadorna's command, or being under von Hötzendorf's?
I'm leaning towards Cadorna since his idea of raising morale was executing people.

>>33766399
>i-it ain't me s-starts playing...

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>>33765082
Eleven. Fucking. Times.

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>>33764726
>>33766657
In the spirit of the brotherhood of the sea, I present this in solidarity with my RN counterpart.

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it was another nakba

>>33766715
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loZyBEfwpJI

>>33766765
Yom kippur?

>>33766715
Ask an Aussie and watch them tear up with rage.

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>A main battle fleet gets routed by a screening force

>>33766769
>Date: June 5-10, 1967
Hint: this war lasted 6 days

>>33766813
yamero

>>33766813
To be fair, that Japanese force outclassed the Americans in numbers and ordnance from the outset. I'm impressed the American ships did as much damage as they did.

>>33766830
The Japanese force was the main battle fleet, anon. Taffy 3 was only a support, screening and ground support force.

>>33766824
Not yet.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_cruiser_Ch%C5%8Dkai#Sunk_in_the_Battle_off_Samar
>During her approach to the US escort carriers, Chōkai was hit amidships, starboard side, most likely by the sole 5 in (127 mm) gun of the carrier White Plains
>it set off the eight deck-mounted Japanese Type 93 "Long Lance" torpedoes

>>33766849
Lots of people curse Halsey for taking a gigantic bait.

In hindsight its real easy to blame him for that and not understand his rational. He probably wanted to completely destroy Japanese naval air capability in its entirely. The carriers probably were too important to pass up.

>>33766849
Ah, excuse my momentary retardation

>>33766876
He was caught between a rock and a hard place

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>>33766849
Though to be fair, the americans had 400 aircraft, and we all know aircraft wrecked japanese surface ships.

>>33766876
Sure, unless you also realize that either Halsey or US naval intelligence completely missed the part where Japanese Naval Aviation was already completely crippled, even before the Great Marianas Turkey Shoot, and certainly afterward (Battle off Samar was 4 months later).

They literally had nothing to put on those carriers, which is why they were used for bait. By that point in the war they were essentially useless. Almost all of their highly trained and combat experienced pilots were dead (without passing on their training and experience to the new pilots), their newbies were hopelessly outclassed against American training and experience, they didn't have enough aircraft to even load up those carriers and if they did they were generally inferior to the US aircraft they would be facing, though some IJA land based fighters like the N1K1-J and Ki-84 were worthy.

Halsey was chasing a completely worthless target at that point.

>>33766942
Those were not naval strike aircraft. They were for ground support. There were very, very few torpedo bombers and almost no AP bombs. The pilots were literally firing their pistols out of their canopies at the ships and doing dry strafing runs to confuse them, hoping they wouldn't notice they didn't actually have proper munitions.

>>33766990
I think a lot of Taffy 4's planes were armed with depth charges.
I've heard about pilots firing their pistols as well, but would love a proper source. Something that badass needs to be documented.

>>33767008
Oops. Taffy 3's plane.

>>33767048
The aircraft were actually from all the Taffy groups, especially as most of Taffy 3's flat tops were unable to conduct flight operations under direct fire for much of the engagement.

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>>33765371

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This happened twice

>>33766375
wut

>>33765066
>post yfw Italy lost to Greece and had to go to Hitler to get the job done

Russian baltic fleet journey to the battle of tshushima only to get ganked.

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>lisbon fucked up by earthquake in 1755
>portugal effectively crippled
>spanish march through the mountains and get fucked by guerrillas
>spanish only managed to take a few poorly equipped towns on their SECOND invasion
>english and portugese defeated them a few times before starting scorched earth

>>33766375
holy fuck, it's real https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_Sokcho_submarine_incident

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>>33768657
>needed to be saved by a south korean fishing boat
>"unclear if [sinking] was as a result of damage or a deliberate scuttling by the crew"

The siege of Munster. For those unaware, shortly after Martin Luther's bullshit translating and distributing the bible, a sect of extremists, the anabaptists came to power in Munster. They were led by a false prophet who pretty much said he was talking to god (some people now think it was hallucinations from ergot poisoning), anyways, they decided to overthrow the goverment because it was god's word lmao. And several other local towns joined together, and led by Franz von Waldeck; laid siege to Munster to cut off their supplies and starve them out.

ANYWAYSSSS, the mistake came in this siege. Instead of breaching the city walls, they opted to wait outside the city. It caused the rebels to keep control of Munster for about a year. Meanwhile at the beginning of the siege, there was a change in leaders/prophets inside the city, and many became dissolutioned. The besieging forces would have been able to breach and put down the rebellion with minimal casualties.

Lastly, when they did eventually capture the city, 2 of the 3 leaders tortured and executed were working for several months to end the rebellion. Pretty big fuck up by Waldeck, as it led to tensons in Munster for like 2 generations.

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The battle of Berkeley. It shows that the forces of anarchism are incapable of doing more than rioting and are incapable of fending off the American and kekistani forces they worked to agitate. Not only did they arrive with superior equipment and still loose but had outside assistance and the threat of police interference was almost not existent for antifa. War truly is the blood of every upstanding American and kekistani, even in the era of club on club combat.

>>33768871
Classic.

I love the part where the italians tried to go "fuck it" and tried to rush past the bridge using bicycles, only to get mowed down by the MG, imagine the clusterfuck, a bicycle assault lmao

>>33766813
>screening force
They got routed by a fucking glorified ASW force pulling CAS duty.

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>>33765082
>>33766744

TWELVE FUCKING TIMES

Also known as Twelfth Battle of the Isonzo. When eleven battles are undone by the biggest disaster in your military history and then the next year your foe dies by internal collapse denying you even the honour of a proper, wll fought victory (Vittorio Veneto wasn't a battle, it was the Austrian dying of a stroke while everyone fled).

God. Damn. it.

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Dien Bien Phu often get hailed as the biggest french fuckup during the Indochina war, but it was a long list of minor mistakes, bouts of overconfidence and failures to exploit the situation that made it a disaster.
The Evacuation of the RC4, however...

French forces held a line of cities, forts and outposts on the northern Vietnam frontier, that they used to launch counteroffensives from, and disrupt the flow of men and materiel from China. They were linked by a road called the RC4.
Of course, the jungle were teeming with viet-minh, and convoys were often attacked and even wiped out.
Wat do?
High-command decided to evacuate everyone (including 3000 civilians with children and elderlies, because the communists weren't especially kind to). It was a bad idea (as everyone, including most generals present, told them), it was awfully planned (let's send a relief column to meet them midway), it was poorly executed. As it appeared quickly that staying on the road was a death sentence because of ambushes and heavy artillery fire, so it became a forced marche through the jungle (with costly counterattacks and delaying maneuvers), then a complete rout.
The numbers speak for themselves. Two hundred survivors after three weeks of fighting, out of 8000 soldiers. That's not a typo. There are no numbers for the civilians, but I doubt any survived.
97,5% casualty rate, complete loss of an entire region of primary strategical importance, morale and confidence in high-command completely wrecked.

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>>33768935
>imagine the clusterfuck, a bicycle assault lmao
Alpine warfare is strange like that.

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>>33765082

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>>33768824
kek

>>33764726
Toss up between Pearl Harbor and Barbarossa.

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>>33769035

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>>33768585
Do not pick a fight with the defiant Greeks!

>>33766813

I love how everyone forgets that USN had 400 planes there.

>>33765082
how about the defense of Pont Saint-Louis when 9 frenchmen held off 5000-ish italians and a squad of italian tanks for like a week (wounding/killing 700-ish spaghettios) until an armistice in a different part of the country ended the fight?

I believe one frenchy was injured, but survived.

Italy is the worst country at war in the entire history of the world. Literally. Across 50,000 years of human history.

>>33769068
See >>33766990

>>33768585
>yfw Italy built fighters costing 10x more than German fighters, still had to use German guns because italian guns were worthless and the Italian pilots still lost every dogfight they got into.

It turns out the italian planes were fine, so long as a German squadron was flying the planes instead of spaghettis. Italians are just absolutely worthless.

>>33769113
HOW THE FUCK DOES THAT EVEN HAPPEN
WHY ARE BROWN FOLKES SO STUPID
HOW CAN YOU KILL 5000 MEN IN ACTION WITH 140 PEOPLE
H
O
W

>>33769117
Do you know how fucking hard it is to fly a plane while cooking a pot of spaghetti sauce? How the fuck are you supposed to keep both hands on the stick AND stir the sauce? Fuck this shit.

>>33769127
technology

>>33769101
I mean, the Romans did alright.

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>>33769117
The Italians were smart and built the MC 202 with a slightly longer left wing to compensate for the wobble caused by the engine's torque. It worked. Except for the fact it also gave the plane some absolutely awful stall characteristics which were nearly impossible to recover from.

Oh Italy. What are you doing?
I wonder how they will screw up in a modern war.

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>>33769137
>technology
Superior race or weak one

>>33769162
Dutchie here
We're not a peoples meant for fighting

>>33769183
>>33769035
Yet you guys btfo'd the Empire in South Africa.

>>33769117
Italy's military attitude was horseshit. Unqualified officers were treated like royalty while enlisted men were effectively second class citizens and had 0 motivation to try

>>33769117

Ach, kinda wrong. See, the training of the Italian pilots was subpar for Great Power standards (tactics were obsolete and there was a huge focus on aggressiveness and , roughly translating, "nice flying"). Compared to Balkanites, Frenchmen or Spaniards the Italians weren't bad pilots per se. Compared to the early war Soviets, even competent.

But the planes. And now you'll tell me the DESIGNS WERE GOOD etc etc. Matters little. Designs were underarmed and more importantly, the Italian Air industry was a golden example of fascist mismanagement, as it kept producing a shitton of new designs (just check the number of prototype medium bombers) to satisfy internal corruption without optimizing quality (as Western powers did) or numbers (as the Soviets did). So you got a lot of manhours-heavy designs that were built in few numbers and no chance to build an industry strong enough to replace losses. Older designs were kept into production because there wasn't anything else and to mantain status quo with government contracts.

To correct ye, it turns out that Italian pilots were fine, so long as they got planes to fight with. They didn't, thanks to Fascist industrial mismanagement.

>>33769183
The boers were dutch, what the hell are you talking about?

>>33765082
That's worse than Cannae

>>33769198
We have our moments, check the war against England

>>33769221
Are you seriously blaming italians woeful fighting on fascism?

>>33769229
The boers were the most courageous of the dutch, they were the explorers ,the fighters. But overall we don't have the inner fighting spirit like the Germans, Americans, British, Greeks etc

>>33769238

Yes. Fascism didn't help. Don't misunderstand me, political propaganda matters little.

The point is, reality. Let's make a counterexample: Soviet Russia was a poor country, like Italy was, but the government, despite being a brutal bunch of paranoid fucks, managed to hold the line and optimize industrial production. Italy, when forced to fight to the death in 1943, collapsed.

Fascism was economically and logistically a mess. It had 20 years to shape a State and it managed to build a system that thrived on nepotism and corruption, where Mussolini himself had very little power in some essential matters (it's a running joke that a industrialist could bring Mussolini to his knees with the threat of layoffs, as Benito could not afford bad publicity). It failed on the industrial sense, equipping badly its soldiers with outdated weapons: it failed logistically, mismanaging wars and building up useless units like the MVSN, it failed strategically (everything bar Somaliland).

Even worse, it failed at doing what it promised to do: build a new Italy. Fascist Italy was the old inefficient Italy, just worse but utterly delusional in its beliefs. Again, compare to the Soviets: a murderous regime that won a war on the blood of its people.

And on the matter of the performance of the individual soldier, you'd be surprised: at platoon level, the common Italian fighting man managed to endure some horrendous crap while being shat on by its own leadership and the "Dear German Ally". After all, you'd need some guts to drive a CV-33.

>>33769248
>Jackie Chan [disputed]
gets me every time

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>>33769162
>200 African allies

>>33769298
Your theory is all fine and good except for the fact that nepotism and corruption existed before fascism and existed after fascism. It was an italian problem, plain and simple.

>>33764726
WW1

>>33764726

germany invading russia

if that wasn't a colossol fuckup i don't know what is

>>33769147
>romans
>italian

>>33769442
No alternative, it was either fight the war at their doorstop or germanys, and they didn't have the luxury of time.

>>33769242
Your little dutch accents are so cute. so are your tulipsh

>>33769147
>the romans did alright
that's because modern italians aren't roman or greek.

The romans and greeks were both fair-haired and fair-skinned, nothing like italians.
http://www.unz.com/article/what-race-were-the-greeks-and-romans/

After the fall of Rome, the Byzantine empire which pretended to be the continuation of Rome moved its capital to constantinople (Istanbul in Turkey) and the "roman empire" became a middle eastern empire.

Over the next thousand years, Italy was invaded by byzantine muzzies from middle east and from different emirates in africa.

The island of Malta's christian population is exterminated and it becomes entirely muzzy and Sicily becomes conquered for 98+ years it spends as the Emirate of Sicily (From 965 until 1061)

Different muzzy fleets rule the mediterranean completely for hundreds of years (no control of any italian borders and waters = no continuation of Rome being anything at all)

Until the Norman invasions of southern italy (11th and 12th centuries), Bari and southeast Italy was another towel stronghold.

Until [Normans], Bari continued to be governed by the Byzantines, with only occasional interruption. Throughout this period, and indeed throughout the Middle Ages, Bari served as one of the major slave depots of the Mediterranean, providing a central location for the trade in Slavic slaves. The slaves were mostly captured by Venice from Dalmatia, the Holy Roman Empire from what is now Prussia and Poland, and the Byzantines from elsewhere in the Balkans, and were destined for other parts of the Byzantine Empire and the Muslim states surrounding the Mediterranean: the Abbasid Caliphate, the Umayyad Caliphate of Córdoba, the Emirate of Sicily, and the Fatimid Caliphate (which relied on Slavs purchased at the Bari market for its legions of Sakalaba Mamluks).

For 20 years, Bari was the centre of the Emirate of Bari; the city was captured by its first emirs Kalfun in 847"

Romans were sold as slaves and muzzies replaced them.

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Okay we all know of the russian fuckup in their naval expedition towards Japan, but that can be explained by them not being a proper maritime power.

But lets look at the mighty Battle of the Solent, the largest naval battle between the French and Anglos in the 16th century

>Anglos take the city of Bolougne while the French were busy fighting Spain
>France tries first a normal siege, but its too expensive, to its decided to mobilize some 200 ships for a naval blockade (which of course is like a hundred times more expensive)
>almost immediately end the naval blockade and opt instead for dicking around in the Channel, because why not
>finally got news that the whole anglo fleet is coming, the french admiral in charge hurries from Paris to his fleet
>partying on his arrival and accidentally burn down his own flagship
>switch to the second flagship, which runs aground when the fleet starts to move
>well, that was awkward, but lets have finally that colossal naval battle we all were looking forward to
>its a calm day, so the fleets cant actually move
>finally there is a breeze, but the anglo crew on their own flagship forgot to close the lower gunports after firing, so when their ship heeled over in the breeze it took on water and sank.
>Anglos are so embarrassed that they stop the battle and sail away
>French fleet doesnt really have any idea what to do, sails around a bit, then returns home as well
>England gave Bolougne back a couple of months later, because they dont really wanted it in the first place
>everyone agreed to never speak about that campaign ever again

>>33769525
This comes off more as a weird training exercise than a war.

/r/ image of that russian fleet that shrekt itself

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>>33769525
Kind of reminds of the when one ship crashes into HMS Victoria and she sank.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Victoria_(1887)#Camperdown_strikes_Victoria

>357 crew were rescued and 358 died.

>>33769399

Yep, it's a theory. But Fascism, despite being in theory a government bound to improve such matters (less gerontocracy, dynamism, development and research) failed and even made things worse. Italian industrial production, if the tables I looked at were right, was comparatively worse in WW2 than in WW1.

Again, Russia always had problems with quality control, shit logistics and autocrats: but the skills and the kind of governments can make or break a nation. Fascism worsened the inbuilt problems of Italy, betraying its promise to improve it. I call it a failure of a system.

>>33769519

Literal flat what. ALTERNATIVE MEDIA SELECTION LOL

See, race and ancient history are quite a problem: one of my favourite trick questions was "Define a Roman". In what sense? legal? When? In 330 AD everyone inside the Empire was Roman. You mean Republican times? Sure, half of the city was composed by migrants and even the higher classes were expats from half of Italy. Being "Roman" was a far more cultural affair than we, bound to the notion of nation=blood, can easily understand. Calling the Rhomaioi "Eastern" is quite offensive, as they were the natural continuation of the Late Roman Empire: Christian.

Wait a sec

What the fuck, I am replying to you, what even

Anything I can say won't even register on your retarded polluted brain

Go back to pol, you retarded dumbfuck.

We're there any major Russian victories.

I feel like they are the end of a lot of catastrophic failures.

>>33764726
not letting Hitler finish what he started.

>>33769494

deutschland & rooskies had a treaty....

from what i've read russia was not planning to violate it

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Allying with Israel.

>>33769752
They had already invaded Poland twice and we amassing huge amounts of forces. If you believe the war was anything other than fascism vs communism squaring up and drawing lines than perhaps you have a public school education.

>>33766527
This was when jane goodalll was doing her research in tanzania so she and her team documented everything.

>>33769790

linining up, so what ? i doubt russia would have attacked germany

if HH had not gone full mental & instead consolidated his gains in the west, he would have been much stronger & able to deal with russia

but that didn't happen

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I got you friend

>>33769677
That sounds an awful lot like baseless conjecture, Anon. I'm sure those ad hominems will prove you correct.

>>33769519
>The romans and greeks were both fair-haired and fair-skinned, nothing like italians.
>http://www.unz.com/article/what-race-were-the-greeks-and-romans/


WE

>>33766813
My grandfather was a gun commander on the Gambier Bay that day, other fucking hilarious matters of note:

>Fucking Destroyer ESCORT Samuel B Roberts got so close to a Japanese cruiser that she couldn't depress her guns enough to shoot back. Roberts fired her ENTIRE arsenal of 5" guns. Literally every shell; AP, HE, flare, AA, Etc. The last shell that was fired cooked off in the barrel of the fantail gun it was so hot. Both guns were literally orange hot. The sailor that fired the shot earned the Silver Star.

>Gambier Bay was the only carrier in US History to be sunk by surface gunfire, but it took hours to do so, because the Japanese were exclusively firing AP ammunition at it, which passed through its unarmored decks harmlessly.

>USS White Plains almost sunk a japanese cruiser by its self when its lone 5" gun on the fantail made a 1/1,000,000 shot and hit the deck torpedoes of the cruiser Chokai, destroying her engines.

>The three Fletchers of the fleet fucking charged the Japanese center force and dropped as many torpedoes as they could, eventually closing to within 5,000 yards in some cases to fucking rek the superstructures of any ship they could find.

Bill Halsey is a cuck bitch who took his battleships with him for NO reason, and yet in spite of those odds and his tantrums and delays (Upon hearing about the attack he locked himself in his room for an hour, then delayed 2 hours to refuel his destroyers, American seamanship won the day.

>>33766990
What gets me is that Halsey completely ignored common sense with the rest of that engagement.

He delayed at least 3 hours once he learned of Taffy 3's fate. He hid in his ready room for 45 minutes upon hearing the news, and then delayed further to refuel his destroyers--which would have been useless in a surface engagement with Japanese battleships anyway.

Furthermore, he never should have taken his battleships anyway. He had six battleships with him, and while I can't find their identities, I know at least two of them were Iowas.

Halsey was in over his head and scared in my opinion.

Furthermore, his rescue efforts left men floating in life nets and boats for 2 additional days longer than needed, because a US Navy Admiral couldn't figure out how tides worked.

>>33764726
Gallipoli

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>>33768871
>italians are shit at war
>all the french surrendered
Love it

Winter war

>>33769677
>Autism

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Avoid your eyes if you can't stand the carnage in this incredible brutal war

>>33770422
This is probably the biggest example where even at the time of the battle, those organizing it should have realized it was never going to work.
Even if the landings somehow succeeded what would be accomplished? A foothold where you still have to march and fight your way to Constantinople, to what? Possibly knock the Ottoman Empire out of the war?
You still have Austria-Hungary, Germany, and others to worry about then.

>>33768585
desu the Greeks were fucking ready, they may have been taken over by the Germans, but the krauts suffered so many casualties that Hitler forbade airborne parachute incursions for the rest of the war

>>33765082
how do you be this fucking bad

>>33769677
So, you're retarded enough to think a mudslime from the Turkey who invaded Italy to sell whites to arab slave traders is "culturally roman"?

In what way? Not in religion, or language, or culture, or values, or genetics, or history, or absolutely anything.

But no, social-justice-warrior shit your own pants instead of dealing with the actual facts. Italians stopped being Roman when the civilization collapsed and the genetics were raped right out of them.

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british pls

>>33770665
All ww1 was like that, infantry against mg nests.
gg no re

>>33770613
>When you Enemy eats their own, they win.
There is another where a city was under siege for a year. The soldiers inside survived by eating, people. Including children.

>>33765082
Luigi "Spaghetti butcher" Cadorna
Luigi "Biggest employer at Steyr" Cadorna
Luigi "Casket connoisseur" Cadorna
Luigi "They'll never suspect a frontal attack 11 more times" Cadorna
Luigi "Meat grinder expert" Cadorna
Luigi "Generalissimo Genocide" Cadorna
Luigi "Wait, I'm not Austrian?" Cadorna

>>33766742
>The beatings will continue until morale improves

>>33767833
holy shit, the Pakistanis are even more inept than we knew

>>33769159
Wonder no more, they literally bribed the Taliban away on Afghanistan to keep from getting into combat, and then promptly "forgot" to tell NATO about it. So when US troops came to relief them, a bunch of US servicemen died because of it.

>>33770895
>"They'll never suspect a frontal attack 11 more times"
>"Generalissimo Genocide"

AHAHAHAHAHAAH

>>33771243
what the fuck? why do they keep switching sides like that?

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>>33771184
Given the other Italian stuff posted ITT, it's hard to be surprised anymore

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>tfw you click auto resolve in Mount And Blade

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>yfw your entire navy gets captured by cavalry

>>33771184
tbf a lot of Units did this in Afghanistan, it made more sense and was cheaper than fighting hordes of peasants

>I'll give you ten dollars a day to fight the Americans and their friends
vs
>I'll give you twenty five dollars a day to fuck off and not shoot at us, missiles are expensive man

How the fuck did they forget to tell them though? Seems sorted of extremely important to mention that the sector's so quiet because your bribing everyone

>>33771275
Venice wanted to fuck with the Pope

>>33765421
How the fuck did the Kamchatka get the idea it was being attacked by 8 torpedo boats coming from all directions?

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This has to be one of the biggest.

>>33769117
It's pretty easily explained. An Iti fighter could take months to build and still leave the factory half finished because the technicians took 5 hour lunch breaks. Meanwhile, the hyper efficient German worker would have all their food expertly packaged and precut, to be consumed within half of their 5 minute lunch break, leaving the remaining 150 seconds to engage in humorless discussions of their social life with their fellow workers.

>>33771642
Russia had spread spies throughout Europe and two or three of them descended into a fantasy land, telling the Navy all sorts of insane bullshit and making it seem like the Japanese knew everything and they sailed in a state of hyper paranoia, the only really experienced officer in the fleet was the Admiral, who knew it was a bad idea from the start and basically held the task force together through sheer willpower

The combination of incompetent crew, shit boats and paranoia combined to lead them to mislabel trawlers as torpedo boats, under the faultless logic that torpedo boats are small, and therefore that small boat that's sort of near you must be a torpedo boat

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>>33764726
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Crysler%27s_Farm

>>33765082
Everyone knows the Austrians only had so much ammo, so I sent wave after wave of my own men at them

>>33765082
mamma mia!

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>>33771337
Wtf

>>33768982
>6000 frenchmen strong
>4800 killed and wounded
>2000 missing or captured
>inb4 "Confirmed wounded before capture"
>6800/6000 dead

>>33772360
Water was probaly frozen. I have no idea.

>>33765163
still kicked your yank ass tho

>>33768657
Just sudoku.

>>33771096

I don't think they have won a single war against India. They tried to ferment jihadism among the Pashtuns in Afghanistan and Kashmiri in part to make up for the deficit. And they lost something like half their population when "East Pakistan" (Bangladesh) left and basically have 1/2 of the country wanting to separate from the Punjab dominated government.

I pity the poor presidential son of a bitch who is in office when pakistan falls apart because that shit is going to be Syria level nastiness on steroids with the addition of Nukes.

>>33771096
Pakistan is so bad they can't figure out how to beat India, so they just intend to nuke themselves during a war to deny pajeet tourists from defiling their nation.

>>33765082
If at first you don't succeed, try attacking the Isonzo.

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>>33765294

>>33766876
>>33766990
Well, look at it from Halsey's POV.

The Center Force had been detected, attacked, and "defeated", with the returning pilots reporting BDA of multiple BBs sunk and the survivors in full retreat. The smaller Southern Force was headed straight into a superior force in a superior position; they never had a chance.

The opportunity was suddenly there to exploit his advantage of interior lines, shift his forces, and complete the trifecta by wiping out the Northern Force.

The problem was, the BDA was not just wrong, but wildly wrong; only 1 BB had been sunk, and Kurita had turned around again once darkness had fallen.

The prudent thing for Halsey to have done was to split off his BBs to guard the straight, in the confidence that the reduced AAA would not significantly endanger his carriers against the depleted Northern Force. He made a plan to do exactly that... and then either forgot to do it, or decided against it. One contributing factor might have been that he was on one of the BBs that would have been left behind, and he didn't want to hand the carriers off to a subordinate to make the final attack.

If Halsey had accepted the tactical risk (and potential loss of glory) of staying behind, in exchange for the strategic safety of guarding the strait, he would have gotten a front-row seat to the last (and one of the largest) true gun duel in history--and that would have been quite a fight, with far closer odds than Kinkaid had just faced to the south. Nevertheless, with a superior position blocking the exit to a strait, and the fire-control radars of the Iowa class, he almost certainly would have won, and won big, cementing his legacy... instead, The World Wonders.

>>33772872
>The World Wonders.
Still makes me laugh at just how pissy this made him.

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>>33766375

>>33771275
>Venice goes about conquering Northern Italy
>Pope says stop that shit
>Venice continues
>Pope gets some Catholics to stop that shit
>France, takes back the North Italy cities Venice had captured and isn't giving them back
>Pope even more furious switches sides
>Then Venice and France agree to come together and split the North Italian territory between themselves

>>33772803
>Belka

>>33766357
>Citation needed all article long on fucking wikipedia

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>>33765082
>>33768977
>yfw Cardona is later reincarnated as Kubrick.

>>33770468
Ran out of ammo

>>33770730

By "fair skinned peoples"? True collapse of civilization , of Roman civilization, happened with the Lombard invasions.

Lombards literally sent Italy back to the Stone Age: we have archeological dig sites where we discover that people ended up living in holes and caves as everything was destroyed, literacy disappeared, the entire government system was shattered. Even the agricultural organization (irrigation, for example) was too complex for a pure German people that grinded down everything to dust. Italy needed 400 years just to rebuild. Yep, keep believing your Atlantean Nordic race myths. No better than the Black Athena faggotry instead of proper historical research.

>>33770149

It's useless to debate with retards. Sadly, everyone does mistakes and types a reply before thinking. Tell me where are the conjectures (for example, tell me that the Italian government didn't collapse in 1943, compare the tables of industrial production of planes, artillery and guns between WW1 and WW2 and then tell me that the Romans believed in a genetically and race-based citizenship) and I'll admit defeat.

If not, shuttup faggot and learn to read.

>>33766571
>Beating the Turkish navy
During the 1453 Siege of Constantinople the entire Turkish navy attacked 4 becalmed Italian ships for an entire afternoon. The Turks lost.

Let's just not talk about Turkish navies.

>>33773166
>Let's just not talk about Turkish navies.
Exactly. So what does it say when the Turks are your on-again off-again sea going rivals, whom you can't seem to beat without superior numbers?

>>33768871
Holy shit and I thought France was a meme when it came to war.
They don't have shit on the Italians

>>33770468
fucking pottery

>>33773317
Italy hasn't really had a day in the sun militarily since before the last gasps of the Roman empire. France, meanwhile, did pretty damn well overall all the way up to Trafalgar and a few points beyond.

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>>33768585
>When you're trying to save the Reich, but you realize you're surrounded by incompetents and supervillains

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>When a squad of troops bluffed your capital into capitulation.

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Three time Kharkov MVPs

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"Austro-Hungarians? A trifle. It was simply a matter of outsmarting them.


Perishing: "Wow, I never would've thought of that."

Cardona: "You see, Austro-Hungarians have only so much ammunition. Knowing their weakness, I sent wave after wave of my own men at them until they ran out of munitions and collapsed. Petain, show them the medal I won."

>>33765082

At what point does one of his own officers just shoot him?

>>33773412
You realize Speer did just as much shit and benefited from things he later on, after the war, criticized? He only started giving a fuck when he had to defend himself.

The biggest problem with this whole thing was the constant backstabbing and shifting of blame after the war ended. Ribbentrop may have been a fool but at least he didn't sit down and cried like a bitch while throwing everyone else under the bus. No, he flat out said that he believed in what he did.

>>33773487

>North Korean sailors fight back against pirates, win
>biggest fuck up in history

u wot m8

>>33773689

Somali pirates convincing the US and the Norks to team up isn't a fuck up on their part.

>>33771684

>invading Finland in Winter
>not brining coats
>murderous ski-commandos rape and pillage your peasant conscript army
>Simo Hiya literrally No scopes his way into history
>Lauri Torni is given a life long hatred of communism that leads to his life of crazy adventure
>that one crazy guy who did a shit ton of meth and went on a vision quest

We need a Winter War movie

>>33773811
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Winter_War_(film)

>>33773542
Nivelle was worse. His offensive nearly collapsed the French military

>>33765163
Or scared Burgers with poor fire discipline

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The Sullivan Expedition
>But, anon, that pic doesn't look like a fuck up
That's because it's the only battle during the expedition. The Iroquois panicked when the artillery fired at to signal the American attack's start and routed. All of them. All the way from the NY/PA border to Canada. Where thousands of them froze and starved in the coming winter because they had fled too quickly to actually take anything with them from the towns they abandoned on the way.

The entire rest of the expedition consisted of Sullivan burning all the Iroquois' villages and crops and killing their livestock.

An entire political confederacy, over 600 years old and the richest and strongest Native American group in the Eastern Americas was defeated, dispossessed, and impoverished by a single salvo from less than a dozen light artillery pieces.

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>>33774342

>>33773649
Yeah, but at least he had his head on straight. He wasn't some crazy Krupp engineer trying to build a death star in 1945 with steel that was never going to exist.

When the only person you can count on to fix your wartime economy is the guy who designs your buildings, you've already fucked up pretty bad.

>>33765082
Sad!

>>33774563
Donald Trump confirmed for posting on /k/.

>>33770020
A fucking comedy of errors if it wasn't all so tragic at the end. The entire fleet pretty much new they were doomed from the get go, which is sad

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>>33766657
>>33766760
I need more of these. The actual, serious fuckups are just seriously depressing. Specifically requesting the officer who called from the mess and adjusted the ship's course because the morning sun was in his eyes before his morning coffee.

In exchange, have an outline of the Soviet version of Operation Plumbbob's Pascal-B. For reference, wiki on Pascal-B:
>uring the Pascal-B nuclear test, a 900-kilogram (2,000 lb) steel plate cap (a piece of armor plate) was blasted off the top of a test shaft at a speed of more than 66 km/s (41 mi/s; 240,000 km/h; 150,000 mph). Before the test, experimental designer Dr. Brownlee had estimated that the nuclear explosion, combined with the specific design of the shaft, would accelerate the plate to approximately six times Earth's escape velocity.[9] The plate was never found, but Dr. Brownlee believes that the plate did not leave the atmosphere, as it may even have been vaporized by compression heating of the atmosphere due to its high speed. The calculated velocity was sufficiently interesting that the crew trained a high-speed camera on the plate, which unfortunately only appeared in one frame, but this nevertheless gave a very high lower bound for its speed. After the event, Dr. Robert R. Brownlee described the best estimate of the cover's speed from the photographic evidence as "going like a bat out of hell!"

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>>33766765
When the Jews employ your doctrine unironically and assert themselves a regional superpower

>>33768824
These are really low effort :/

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>>33775009
Come on son. We always had a special relationship with the Jews. They helped us a little back in the day, we helped them a little with their over population problem. Now we help each other.

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>>33774937

>>33766813
Just throwing that out there, the Japanese admiral in command that day said the only reason they were forced to turn back was lack of fuel. At this point in the war their fuel reserves were so depleted their ships didn't even have enough to fight and go back to port afterwards. That's how fucked the Japanese were right from the start.

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>>33775440
I've read this at least 3 times now. I still lose it every fucking time. Thanks, anon. Have a webm as thanks.

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>>33775009

When the jews employ YOU unironically to help them become a regional superpower!

Seriously though, Skorzeny

>was part of the SS, so obviously was working against the Jews
>Worked as a mercenary for Egypt, against the Jews AGAIN
And then
>Get hired by the Mossad

He never renounced/regretted/apologized for Nazism, I can only imagine what the fuck his training sessions with new Mossad agents were like.

>>33764726
Your conception, OP.

>>33773811
Don't forget molotov cocktails and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZx1zl_sVTI

Fun times.

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>>33775609
https://youtu.be/2nPIeoeWmKk
FINLAN STRONK

>>33771337
1337 get, but also how do you lose ships to a landlocked cavalry unit?

>>33765082
Cadorna lost around 600,000 and Boroevic lost about 350,000. At what point does either side give up after burning off half a million troops?

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Why can't Shitaly into warfare?

>>33775740
>January 23rd
If only there were a way to make water solid like the ground.

>>33775804
At Victory.

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>>33775828

>>33775828
Constant need to check with their squadmates about whether they are seeing the same things as well as a nasty tendency to waste time discussing how they would have handled a situation were they there at the time.

>>33775855

top jej

>>33765163
Or you know you hit a sea mine with a destroyer as you approach an island.

>>33775828
It's borderline comical.

>>33775520
They had the fuel, Kurita's explanation was he turned around because he knew the battle was unwinnable and the war was lost so there was no point in killing so many men in a useless attack.
At least that was his explanation after the war.

>>33766375
>who would win one submarine of the korean peoples navy or one fishing net

>>33775896
everyone else would win

>>33775828
I always thought Americans were the worst. But now I see at last.

>>33775875
Ahh, so it was those same Japanese torpedo boats that attacked the Kamchatka.

>>33775896
Deadliest Warrior.

>>33766813
Old America was fucking badass

Operation Barbarossa.

Listening to dan carlin's hardcore history, I'd say the entirety of WWI up until the battle of aisne (the first, where the germans decimated the british).

>>33766375
Somebody call ONI quick!
>Nork sub kryptonite...
>South Korean fishing nets.

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I've got a better contender.

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>>33776227
>7-11

>>33766813
This is combination of fucking balls and desperation.

>>33776227
>>33776233
>>33776244
>>33776252

POO IN LOO

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>>33776244

DELET THIS

>>33776275
>US supporting pakistan
wait what?

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>>33775542

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>>33776343
>>33775542

In 1970, a cancerous tumour was discovered on Skorzeny's spine. Two tumours were later removed while he was staying at a hospital in Hamburg, but the surgery left him paralyzed from the waist down. Vowing to walk again, Skorzeny spent long hours with a physical therapist; and, within six months, he was back on his feet. Skorzeny died of lung cancer on 5 July 1975 in Madrid. He was 67 years old.At no point in his life did Skorzeny ever denounce Nazism.

He was given a Roman Catholic funeral Mass in Madrid on 7 August 1975. His coffin was draped in the Nazi colours. His body was cremated afterwards, and his ashes were later brought to Vienna to be interred in the Skorzeny family plot at Döblinger Friedhof. His funeral "was attended by dozens of German military veterans and wives, who did not hesitate to give the one-armed Nazi salute", according to former Mossad agents who attended the funeral.

>>33776227
>>33776233
>>33776244
>>33776252
>>33776265
>>33776275
>be Muslim
>can't beat designated street shitters

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>>33776286

What flag is that on these F-16?

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Often, MUCH to the displeasure of both peoples, (((U.S. interests))) coincide with those of the Pak gov't

>33769217

So they were basically Arabs, then.

They really are the shitskins of Europe.

>>33776366
Must been one weird experience

>>33776286
The US supported Pakistan solely because India was being supported by the USSR. Recent relations have improved with India and the US through trade deals and relations between Pakistan and the US have soured throughout the 90s due to Pakistan's support of the Taliban regime. The civil war in Afghanistan is an amazing read if you find any information. The Tiger of Panjshir actually tried to warn the UN about an upcoming terror plot by Al Qaeda.

>>33776366
Holy shit

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>>33768982
damn

was this depicted in the opening scene from "We were soldiers"?

>>33771365
Because the wops are literally inept

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>>33776746
Not really that was more of a random patrol being ambushed. Speaking of which did Frankie try to warn the US about the Burt comf at all

>>33772749
Gonna be fun on a bun, I hate the Pakis more than the Taliban

>>33776275

This is interesting to me because out side of Korea (sorta) and Vietnam, usually countries supported by the USSR get btfo'd.

Basically, wtf I love India now? Indians apparently like Russians back which is cool.

>>33770613
>>33770823

fucking hell

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>>33771298

>>33776275
It's hilarious how this implies that the 7th fleet, RN, RSN or Soviet vessels had fuck-all to do with any of the actual hostilities.

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The time the British Empire showed they were the Combine of the 19th century

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>>33776236
you a cheeky cunt m8

>>33775842
China has never won a war except those fought against themselves

>>33776823
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Mang_Yang_Pass

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>>33775542
Otto "the absolute madman" Skorzeny

>>33772578
Wikipedia provides a convenient rundown, but as most of the times is full of holes.
French army numbers are 6000 french + 2000 thai, 200 survivors.
(no thai were taken prisoner, btw, since they were considered social traitors)

For a random unit, let's say the BEP (battalion of FFL paratroopers)
>engaged: 1000
>survived: 12

Just last week
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Camp_Shaheen_attack

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>>33766742
>questioning the Commissar's decisions

>>33766691
Fuuuck, I misread the graph and thought for a minute it was saying the US sunk ~600,000 tons worth of Japanese merchant submarines

>>33778258
>those poor merchant submariners...

kek

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>Half the Austrian army murders each other in a friendly fire "accident"
>Turks show up a day later to find 10,000 dead Austrians and an empty camp

>>33776275
>>33777072
This
>Lists all the Paki ships in order
>Stuck right at the bottom US seventh fleet, 1 British Carrier group
>Lists all the Poo in loo ships in Order, right at the bottom again 2 groups of soviet cruisers, 2 subs

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>>33773811
>[muffled perkele in the distance]

>>33778188
What kind of Astartes takes commands from a Commissar?

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>>33778315
used the wrong pic, they're right next to each other in a huge mess of a folder
puc related is what I was trying to post

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>>33778302
Fucking read, lost and saved. Fucking dying still. My dog thinks I've lost my fucking mind, cackling like hobo finding a half-eaten hot dog.

Operation barbarossa

>>33777072
>>33778299
What did they do?

>>33778386
Sat back, monitored the situation, kept each other from interfering and waited to step in if things got really bat shit out of hand. Probably also supplied logistical support and communications back channels between the two sides to step down tensions.

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>>33770613
For brevity

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valley_of_Tears

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>>33764726

>>33769159
if that plane used the same engine as the ME 109 how did the italians fuck up on the wing??? the germans didn't make the me 109 have a longer lef wing

>>33770613
At this time, besieged Suiyang had long been in a state of famine. The Old Book of Tang says:

尹子奇攻圍既久,城中糧盡,易子而食,析骸而爨,人心危恐,慮將有變。巡乃出其妾,對三軍殺之,以饗軍士。曰:“諸公為國家戮力守城,一心無二,經年乏食,忠義不衰。巡不能自割肌膚,以啖將士,豈可惜此婦,坐視危迫。”將士皆泣下,不忍食,巡強令食之。乃括城中婦人;既盡,以男夫老小繼之,所食人口二三萬,人心終不離變。[1]

(Yin Ziqi had besieged the city for a long time. The food in the city had run out. The dwellers traded their children to eat and cooked bodies of the dead. Fears were spread and worse situations were expected. At this time, Zhang Xun took his concubine out and killed her in front of his soldiers in order to feed them. He said, "You have been working hard at protecting this city for the country wholeheartedly. Your loyalty is uncompromised despite the long-lasting hunger. Since I can't cut out my own flesh to feed you, how can I keep this woman and just ignore the dangerous situation?" All the soldiers cried, and they did not want to eat. Zhang Xun ordered them to eat the flesh. Afterwards, they caught the women in the city. After the women were run out, they turned to old and young males. 20,000 to 30,000 people were eaten. People always remained loyal.)

Xu Yuan also killed his servants, which was recorded in The New Book of Tang:

>>33782113
The Luftwaffe trained its pilots to compensate by using trim controls or the stick.

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>>33782181

The loss of the Spartan general Bophades was a pretty big one.

Legend says he was like Achilles, completely unstoppable until he was felled by a spear to the groin.

Hence the saying Bophades' Nuts.

>>33778264
there where merchantile subs in ww1

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>>33764726

>>33775842
Back when the U.N was cool

>>33782411
Shouldn't have taken 1928 off to go farming.

>>33769101
That one doesn't count because the meme is incorrect. There weren't simply 9 frenchmen holding off the italians, but a whole artillery division providing support fire and preventing the italians from moving.

The 9 frenchmen did little to nothing.

>>33771184
that's literally a french lie

>>33782469

I'm dead.

>>33764726

The majority of those deaths are from a Japanese anti ship mine

Also the biggest fuck up is probably Britain sinking a ship full of 3000 allied soldiers and prisoners of war shortly after ww2 ended

>>33766293
>>33772631
>>33774342

>Canadians bragging about killing more friendly troops

lol

>>33764726
Not allying with the British and Germans to destroy Judeo-Bolshevism in its infancy.

>>33782663
Who the fuck is talking about WWI?

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>>33782147
Fuckkkk

That's some fucked up shit

>>33776373
Yuo see panjeet, shitting in street is really just training to shit on pakistan

>>33775542
life truly is weirder than fiction

>>33768637
Thanks oldest ally

>>33775842
>Glenn C. Funk

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>>33766375
How does that even happen

>>33766527
Chimps may do war when they get too big, but they are in no way good at it.

They're essentially at the primitive man stage.

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>>33769162
>>33769113
>>33768637
>from this to having no military relevance at all
life's suffering

>>33769339
pls no bully

>>33785875
Don't be silly, Kumar, shitting on Pakistan is the training for the high impact world of street shitting.

>>33768989
>Boers
>doing anything but lying

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>Attempt to conquer German East Afrika with better than 10:1 advantage
>Enemy finally surrenders 4 years later
>Because the Great War is over
>He was successfully invading North Rhodesia at the time

>>33786189
>Anglos
>doing anything but perfidy

>>33769298
>Soviet Russia was a poor country, like Italy was, but the government, despite being a brutal bunch of paranoid fucks, managed to hold the line and optimize industrial production
Italy didn't have the benefit of Detroit. If the soviets didn't have that benefit they'd have been knocked out of the war easily. The red army was a mess.

>>33787199
Unlike Italy the Red Army had wave after wave of their own men to throw at the problem while they got things in order.

It would have been a close thing, but it would also have mitigated the food shortages.

>>33765082

Pasta niggers, not even once.

>>33769298
>>33769677
>italian planes were shit because fascism poisoned their industry
this doesnt make much sense
germany was fascist too, but its war industry was top notch

>>33769752
>>33769914

watch this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8raDPASvq0

private conversation between hitler and his ally mannerheim from finland
>after our last meeting, molotov left with the intention of starting a war, and i let him go with the intention of beating him to it

>>33787369
Germany's war industry was an absolute mess, to the point that Speer was considered an indispensable genius for having the brilliant ideas of "open the factories for more than one shift," "hire women already," and "stop making consumer goods at peacetime levels."

And he didn't get that job until '42.

>>33766813
Not really a military fuckup. Halsey running after decoy carriers was a fuckup.This victory was just the result of US technological dominance at the time.

>>33787515
>This victory was just the result of US technological dominance at the time.
Uh, no. Read a book. Center Force should have absolutely facefucked Taffy 3 and then cum in their lifeless eye sockets.

>>33787655
beat me to it.

The Fetterman Fight, 1866.

81 Americans are lured into an ambush by literally all the Indians within sight of Fort Kearney. Only 6 Americans are killed by gunfire and the Indians sustained minor casualties many as a result of friendly fire, because, again, literally all the Indians. After Little Bighorn it is the second worst loss the US military ever sustained against the Indians.

By the time reinforcements from the fort arrived not only was the battle over and the enemy gone, but they had already had time to scalp and mutilate the American corpses to the point that the Army's report on the battle was suppressed for over two decades.

Most importantly this led to the Treaty of Fort Laramie, the only time in its history that the US unequivocally lost a war.

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Though this isn't military related, this feels kinda related. Manila Hostage Crisis, where the Flip SWAT team fucked up

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shin%27y%C5%8D_Maru_incident
>be USS Paddle
>see japanese convoy
>attack it
>sink Shinyo Maru
>managed to kill 668 American POWs
>82 survived the sinking

>>33788368
Gotta love how the dedication plaque makes absolutely no mention of US intelligence fuckup.

Not sure it'd have changed anything though.

>More than 20,000 Allied POWs died at sea when the transport ships carrying them were attacked by Allied submarines and aircraft. Although Allied headquarters often knew of the presence of POWs through radio interception and code breaking, the ships were sunk because interdiction of critical strategic materials was more important than the deaths of prisoners-of-war,[3] and because Allied leaders feared that a pattern of sparing POW ships might lead the Japanese to abuse prisoners as human shields on valuable targets.

>>33788368
a lot of the hell ships where sunk, according to the geneva convention pow transports must be marked with a red cross.
the jocko podcast read accounts from a american pow who was on one of the hellships that got sunk. it was probably one of the most fucked up things ive heard of.