>The AR is 60 years old >Tilting barrel/short recoil pistols

>feels bad

Any firearm you buy won't be obsolete and worthless in ten years. I think that feels pretty good.

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>he has not embraced the gloriousness of the rotating barrel

Bolt actions have been around a lot longer than that dingus.

>>33748617

Good point


>Except for hammer fired pistols that use a 7 round magazine and is Xbox hueg

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Yeah but keep in mind that muskets were around for hundreds of years before bolt guns took over. We're just waiting for the next possible breakthrough which will be somehow moving away from the use of powder charges.

>>33748626
What exactly does it do to justify increasing the width?

>9mm is 'modern'

>designed for some faggot germans and women in like 1903 with limp wrists

>.45 acp is 'outdated'
>designed in 1905


mfw

>>33749043
This

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>9x19 and 7.62x54R are still in common use and are both over a century old

>>33748607
in design and engineering there is a golden rule that you may have heard. "if it ain't broke, don't fix it".

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>>33749043
45 is shit

>>33749074
>numbers
>real
Top cuck.

>>33748607
Guns are obsolete when we can just throw a cruise missile at any problem.

Bolt action are fun to shoot though. If you have never shot one I'd recommend doing it before making a shit tier argument against them. Also, AR's are shit imho.

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amen

>>33748607
>Russian military and former and present Russia's sattelites still use 7,62x54R as army GPMG/coax MG/DMR round.
>Introduced in 1891 as Russia's first smokeless rifle round, spitzer bullet added in 1908
>Rimmed case
>Original chambering of one of the world's best belt-fed GPMGs.

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revolvers have been around since the 1500s

>>33749156
Oh shit Jamal is breaking into my house! Someone call the navy!!

>>33750296
Why do you live near Jamal?

>>33749043
I don't think .45 is outdated. But we don't have tons of tacticool lugers floating around and nobody thinks they are a modern handgun.

>>33748607

>Bolt action firearms have been around since the 1890s

more around 1860s in terms of military service.

>>33748607

The flintlock reigned for something like 200 years.

60 years of direct impingement ARs is still juvenile.

Guns aren't cool anymore. Pack it up and find a more fruitful hobby. Guns aren't even a legitimate hobby anyway. They're tools for doing other stuff, not an end themselves.

>>33750576
>Guns aren't cool anymore. Pack it up and find a more fruitful hobby. Guns aren't even a legitimate hobby anyway. They're tools for doing other stuff, not an end themselves.

Yea, everyone knows the cool thing to do these days is collect dragon dildos.

>>33749031
Softer recoil.

>>33748607
bolt action firearms have been around since the 1860s if not 1840s senpai

1841 - dreyse needle rifle
1866 - chassepot needle rifle
1869 - vetterli 12 shot repeater

Just wait for gauss, caseless, and maybe even man-portable laser weapons halfway through the century

>>33748633
7 shot SW revolver?

>>33749031
Very little felt recoil.

>>33748607
>We have reached a technological plateau in firearms
Like most tools.

ie :

Knives and forks
Lawnmowers
Screwdrivers
Even cars

All that stuff is evolving at the same rate as firearms : not very fast.

>>33749009
Honestly, this worries me.

>personal rail weapons become the norm
>are quickly banned before they are able to catch on
>"well they aren't in common use + they aren't firearms. So the ban is constitutional, anons"
>the future is set for civilian disarmament.

At least I'll die before this happens.

>>33751848
I would argue that cars and lawnmowers have definetly come a very long way. From coil suspension to airbags and cheap, reliable, small engines that produce a ton of power for how small they are, not to mention abs, stability control, and fucking basically radar warning systems that come standard in a ton of vehicles, the future gets sweeter everyday.


Firearms are limited in that they are purely mechanical. The progress has been in mostly manufacturing.

>>33748626
>DA/SA
>slide mounted safety/decocker

Beretta plz

give me a striker-fired PX4 and I'll buy the shit out of it

>>33752217
Curious, why do you like striker more than hammer?

>>33752111
>right to bear arms
>not guns
>arms

>>33752253
I like a consistent trigger. I'd rather not deal with a heavy first pull or manual safety.

>>33750458
Direct impingement is already on the way out. The AR design philosophy and aesthetic will last for a very long time, the AR itself is showing its age.

>>33752190
Thank God the firearm consumer base is reactionary, I would never want firearms to be anything but purely mechanical. The CIA already can turn cars against people, computers are the enemy of liberty.

>tfw we still use knives

white people, do something

>>33752291
>but it's a piston

>>33752316
I'm more concerned with my gun crashing during a crisis.

>>33752286

Then why not just get a hammer fired gun and disable the safety?
It'd still be safer than striker fired with no safety.

>>33752358
And what? Carry it cocked without a safety or carry it with a DA first pull?

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>>33748607
I would argue that we've reached the plateau of a cartridge based action.

>>33748607
Because people keep buying them. Theres no reason to innovate.

>>33750300
Because that nigger Obama used HUD to move them into my formerly white town.

>>33752111
"the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

arms
noun
1.
weapons and ammunition; armaments.
"they were subjugated by force of arms"

Completely unconstitutional to ban any sort of weapon past, present, future. I'm going to punch holes in space jigaboo suits with chem-rails when they try to jump my asteroid claims.

>>33748607
Not directly related but
>tfw when Vietnam vets are going the way of the WW2 vet
In my mind I'll always remember them being part of the young generation of veterans.

>>33748607
Small arms advancement is largely done, barring some giant advancement in battery tech. It seems like all the R&D at this point is on automated weapons systems.

Personally, I'm looking forward to the next wave of non-lethal weapons for home defense. There has to be a way to use an ionizing laser and a stun gun to let multiple assholes rapidly ride the lightning out to 200m. Plus, you wouldn't have to mop up blood off your kitchen floor or deal with a possible homicide charge unless the asshole codes.

Guided bullets are a thing now, next comes the full mastery of that.

>>33752662
Some technician in DC will hit a button and the platform will simply launch it in the air from 6 miles away.

>>33752378
>tfw there will never be a civilian G11

Why does HK hate us?

>>33749043
One could design a new type of matchlock firearm today. That doesn't mean it wouldn't be outdated. That said I don't think .45 is obsolete, just that the date of design shouldn't be the only factor in deciding whether or not something is outdated.

>>33752673
I'm talking about in small arms. They're a thing.

>>33749097
How can numbers be real if our eyes aren't real?

>>33752478
>tfw WW2 vets are going the way of the WW1 vets
In my mind I'll always remember them as the grampa aged vets. It won't be too long until there are none left.

>>33750773
>>33750440
True, but the basic mauser action has been around virtually unchanged since 1898 and is still produced, Dreyse, Chassepot, and Vetterli are long gone

>>33752683

Have fun handloading those

>>33752705
>In my mind I'll always remember them as the grampa aged vets
As will I. And Vietnam vets will be the middle aged vets

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>>33749043

>9mm is for limp wrists
>.45 is outdated

.40 S&W FTW!

>>33752370

>And what? Carry it cocked without a safety
Yes.
That's essentially the same thing as carrying striker fired without a safety.
Except you can thumb the hammer to prevent ND's when holstering.

>>33752286
You know with DA/SA pistols you can just cock the hammer on your first shot.

You don't have to deal with the double-action pull if you don't want to.

>>33752745
>.40SW
>not 10mm
get with the times, gramps. 10mm is the ultimate handgun cartridge

>>33752745
>not 10mm

>>33752781
>>33752794
>10mm

Vault shills should cease.

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Was the 6 Unica innovative?

>>33751398
Until then, hot bits of lead and cuprum will be flying around relyiably and somewhat accurately.

>>33748607

The reason for that is there hasn't been a technology that bests the current design on 4 major points.

Reliability
Effectiveness on target/range
Controllability
Cost

There's some things that meet or even maybe exceed some of those categories, but realistically there hasn't been anything that is wholly better, or marginally better enough to gain any real traction.

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>>33751398
>>33752900
>tfw you can't freeze yourself only to be woken up during earths first interplanetary war

>>33752688
But why bother having a human being at risk within 2 miles. Just have a 2 man portable device that launches guided .75 caliber munitions from up to 10 miles away that circling drones guide to target.

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>>33752286
>I'd rather not deal with a heavy first pull or manual safety.

My PX4CC has an 8lb DA pull and it breaks right at where the SA is. That and the decocker is easy to use along with standard models being able to be converted to decock only in a matter of minutes.

Actually try out a gun before you make an assesment of it. And if you cannot manage an 8lb DA pull, you pretty much suck at shooting and should practice more.

>>33752772
>You know with DA/SA pistols you can just cock the hammer on your first shot.
>You don't have to deal with the double-action pull if you don't want to.

This is absolutely not the way you use a DA/SA gun, how ridiculous of you to even suggest such a terrible idea.

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Rifling is a medieval technology

>>33748607
Not really. There's a little bit more out there to explore. This is no different than when we were using flintlocks for a good while.

>>33753378
Then what's the "right" way?

>>33753644
>Then what's the "right" way?

You shoot the first shot double action and decock when you come off target. There is no thumb cocking or shooting the first round into the dirt or any of that shit.

If you do not want to use a DA/SA gun properly, there's always striker guns and SAO. Far too many people at the range load up DA/SA guns and never actually practicing the DA pull because it's "too hard" when in reality is just as difficult as actually shooting a pistol. It's something that must be practiced.

>>33753696
Who thumbcocks a DA/SA? The hammer is cocked when I rack the slide to chamber a round.

>>33753533
Not far off. Rifling was invented in the 15th century.

>>33749043
.45 is outdated because it hasn't seen much improvement compared to the 9mm. The 9mm can be loaded to over 40k PSI pressures, but doing that with a .45 ACP would get you muzzle energy similar to .460 Rowland which has too much recoil to be practical.

So now the 9mm has much superior capacity and very similar muzzle energy to the .45 acp. It's understandable why it's so popular

>>33753717
>Who thumbcocks a DA/SA?
somebody who used the decocker and now wants his first shot to be SA

>>33753717
>Who thumbcocks a DA/SA?

Unfortunately a large number of people.

Every technology eventually reaches a point where it's 95% as good as it's ever going to be, and future advances will be in the form of small, incremental improvements over the course of many years. A Boeing 707 from 1958 might not be as fuel efficient, but it flies as high and as fast as a modern Dreamliner, and virtually all of the Dreamliner's added safety comes from improvements in crew training over the past 60 years. The Dreamliner is incrementally better, but not quantumly so.

And so it is with guns. Gone forever are the days when we went from the Brown Bess to the Lee-Enfield in the course of 60 years. We will never again see the lines of that development curve. We'll get incremental refinements, but that's it.

>>33753874
>Gone forever are the days when we went from the Brown Bess to the Lee-Enfield in the course of 60 years.

Yep, that's right. I mean obviously there is still room for innovation (caseless ammo, integral supressors) but small arms are not important enough anymore. We're in the age of A.I. and internet, so this is where we'll keep seeing crazy advancements in the next decades

>>33748607
>something that doesn't exist in a state of constant "progress" making everything you own obsolete and worthless in a few years
>a bad thing
Fuck off techno-fetishist. I hate the fact that my 5 year old laptop is a slow piece of shit and can't wait for computer and """smart""" phone technology to plateau.

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>>33748607
This "technological plateau" shit needs to stop. Just because we're using old guns doesn't mean that's the end of the line for development, only that most gun companies don't see enough financial incentive to innovate. Off the top of my head these are some things I have in mind that have the potential to shake up the industry:
>Releasing a modern compact high capacity defence pistol in a small caliber, like .22 magnum or .32 ACP (not just a backup gun)
>Making a revolver gas sealing, magazine fed, automatic, multi barrel, etc.
>Shotgun with high capacity/more reliable/faster loading mag, faster pump action, etc.
>Rifles with oddball mechanisms, like short recoil or gas delayed blowback
>Improving bullpups
>Springless magazines
>off axis bolt blowback guns, only modern one is the Kriss Vektor
>Etc. etc. etc.
Basically quit whining and go innovate if you want innovation fag

>>33754281
None of the shit you mentioned has ANYTHING to do with a technological plateau, it has to do with
LACK
OF
MARKET
Who the fuck is going to pay a few grand for a rifle with an "oddball mechanism"
Who the fuck is going to pay a grand for a big high capacity small round pistol? (LOL FN)
R&D is expensive, and companies exist to make a profit, not to make weird shit for you to fap to.

>>33751694
Think he means .50 AE Deagle

>>33754281
>magazine fed revolver

what

That's not advancement, it's just a bunch of dumb concepts and vague ideas. "Improve bullpups"? Thanks for the tip.

>>33754281
You're a dumbass and wrong. Nice combination.

>>33748628
How did you know my name was Dingus?

>>33754416
>>33754469
Not an argument.

>>33748607
>tfw we still use circular wheels 8000 years later
Feels bad

>>33754383
Pretty much. The guns we have now work just fine. Frankly (and I know this will rustle some jimmies) the guns we had a hundred years ago - revolvers, bolt-action rifles, and pump-action shotguns - are fine for what the vast majority of people need a gun for the vast majority of the time. Target practice? Check. Hunting? Check. Concealed carry? Check. Home defense? Check - my current HD pairing is a Maverick 88 and a Ruger LCR, but if this was 1897 it could be a Winchester '97 and an S&W I-Frame instead, and I'd barely notice the difference.

>>33754617
Tfw we still use doors after all this time

>>33752762
Not as big of a worry with a kydex holster, also the SA pull of a DA/SA is generally way lighter than a striker fired pistol.

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>>33754383
Hmm I wonder why companies like Kel Tec innovate heavily and are still in business...It's almost like good and innovative guns have a market...

>>33748607
>what's OICW?

>>33754712
>Kel-Tec
They've gotta innovate themselves out of the drywall aisle of Lowe's first, dicknugget.

>>33752190
Cars are on the cusp of driving themselves under the power of hydrogen fuel cells anon.

>>33754823
And where is it now?

>>33752794
>overpriced garbage caliber that has the worst qualities of 9mm and 45acp.

sure kid.

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Seriously though, why has this cartridge continued to exist when most of its contemporaries went the way of the dodo?

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>>33754281

>Magazine fed revolver
>Faster pump action

>>33755081

because it's rimmed for your extractor's pleasure

>>33755081
>cheap and plentiful surplus (although not the case so much now)
>cheap and plentiful guns that use it, namely Mosins

That's pretty much it.

>>33752812

>6 unica
>unica 6
>engrish

mechanically.

not in terms of actual projectile technology. gun is a gun is a gun.

unfortunately, its functions and benefits were not useful in combat situations.

>>33755081
because there is literally nothing wrong with it

>>33752683
Blame Russia bailing on the Cold War.

>>33749009
>no pistol grip

>>33755143
But no military uses Mosins anymore

>>33755232
>nothing wrong with it
how about the fact that it's a RIMMED RIFLE CARTRIDGE

>>33755343
But they did, and they made a fuck ton of it.

>>33755365
And nobody uses Mosins anymore, therefore no military has a right to be using 54R anymore

Everybody should be using .308, it's rimless

>>33755117
A faster pump action would be necessarily higher pitched and less scary sounding so it wouldn't be useful for defending my home.

>>33754383
City folk who rent their guns?

>>33755117
Are you trying to say these things aren't possible, or a major improvement?

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>>33755120

>>33755343
>how about the fact that it's a RIMMED RIFLE CARTRIDGE
explain how that is a detriment in a belt fed machine gun; the primary platform of its use

>>33755840
can't use disintegrating belts

and obviously the rim sucks for the rifles that use it

>>33755840
There is literally no reason to have a rim on a center-fire cartridge. In fact, I call it a cuck lip.

>>33752316
>caring about the CIA assassination programs in cars
>not keeping a beowulf .50 bmg AR to shoot your cars engine whenever the cia try to assassinate you
Poor form

>>33755058
>powerful
>better capacity than .45
>worst of both 9mm and .45
Try again.

>>33757116
>Literally the only reason to carry anything other than 10mm is recoil
>recoil is going to be all but nullified by new technologies
>tfw we will see 17 shot 10mm pistols with 9mm recoil impulse within our lifetime

>>33748607
>We have reached a technological plateau in swords
Time to switch to firearms
http://www.popularmechanics.com/flight/drones/a18032/hero-30-uvision-israeli-drone/

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>>33752444
Then why can't I own recreational nukes?

>>33752737
And everyone forgets about Korea again

>>33755343
>But no military uses Mosins anymore
Don't goatfuckers use just about any gun they can get their hands on though? I'm pretty sure there's a sizable chunk of them using shit from the World Wars.

>>33756225
>I dont even know what an interrupter is

>>33751398
Caseless is a dead end.

>>33749073

The golden rule is to not reinvent the wheel, actually.

>>33757283

You mean like the current state of firearms technology?

>>33748607
The m2 machine gun is over 100 years old and still used by the US military. The marines recently sent one to browning for maintenance that was 94 years old. It's a good thing when they get things right the first time.

>>33757303
The current state of firearms is where it is because it's a mature technology.

You act like caseless is the future because it's something new, when in fact it's something they've been working on for decades and can't get sorted out. The benefits may never outweigh the costs.

>>33757307
then how come every vet I've ever asked about the M2 hated it and its reliability?

the soviets modernized their 12.7mm gun and it's worked out just fine for russia.

>>33757348
They're all old as shit and worn out.
You see WW2 vintage pieces made by GM used still.

>>33752282
And your evidence that the "silencers will let criminals kill people with cops just around the corner completely unaware" democrats and their supporters will give a shit is... what?

>>33748607
The swiss introduces a new kind of technology in the 90s: A pulling recoil-spring instead of a pushing-recoil spring.

>>33755058
>>33753774

I keep hearing about the recoil argument all the time.

Don't people get it that your wrist gets used the recoil after few tens of shots. And after a hundred or so shots, it's nothing special.

A fucking 10 year old or 140cm bulimic woman could handle a 10mm Auto, .460 Rowland and such under 1500 joule calibers just fine after few shots if they don't pussy out of it.

>>33757416
This, Limpwristing retards don't realize that pressing harder onto the gun and stiffening your wrist makes it hurt less not more. It's like that video of those retarded arabs shooting that bigass rifle, and then the one white guy at the end just uses proper form and is fucking fine.

>>33755412
54r isn't just nugget food, it's still used in the Russian military's GPMGs and sniper rifles. Besides that the Russian's have ungodly amounts of the stuff lying around and are still producing it to this day, so they have no reason to abandon a cartridge that is still serving them perfectly well.

>born too late to see firearms improve
>born too early for space combat
>born just in time for personal directed energy weapons

It's not that bad anon.

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>>33755412
>he thinks main small arm of the military is rifle

>>33749009
Lasers

>>33754712
>Kel Tec
>good
kek

>>33757123
>Recoil reducing technologies are basically magic
>We will have 50 BMG rifles that kick like a 556 in our lifetime

>>33750216
This tbqh
54R is one of the best all around 30cal cartridges in the world and the PKM will be around long after WW3 ends. It's stupid simple and reliable and it just works.

>>33758018
>what is rotating bolt
>what is kriss vector
>what is advancements in muzzle breaks
Recoil is currently the most underdeveloped area in firearms. When something as fucking dead simple as just having the barrel in front of the fucking stock makes your rifle one of if not the most controllable in the world you know something is fucking missing in adequate design for recoil compensation.

>>33752745
You are the worst kind of person

>>33758039
>Rotating bolts magically reduce felt recoil and are practical in pistols
(Oh wait they aren't)
>Off axis bolts are practical in pistols
(Nope)
>Muzzle breaks on carry guns
That'll be the day. Also, again, not magic.

>>33758054
>rotating bolts aren't practical in pistols
> Px4 Storm
>SPP/TMP
>fucking MAUSER
>Desert jewgle
pls

>>33755143
>(although not the case so much now)
Wrong. That surplus is being used to fuel a war in Ukraine. Just because it isn't available as often in your living area, doesn't mean it isn't cheap and plentiful elsewhere.
>inb4 Ukraine ordnance storage explosion
That was all confirmed as artillery and mortar shells going kaboom, the nugget food is safe for now.

>>33755343
>But no military uses Mosins anymore
Finns use the the very same Mosin actions and barrels in modernized stocks, same goes with the Ukies, same goes to any third world military that uses them as training rifles, modified marksmen/sniper rifles, arming their government backed militias and any civvie that can get their hands on them. Others sell the surplus Mosins along with the ammo like the Chinese used to do (And they still use their old surplus that's not for sale to arm their government backed militias, and to farmers who need a pest control rifle)

>>33749043
10 mm is the best pistol caliber on the market. prove me wrong.
>muh fk brno 7.5
literal unobtanium

>>33751398
And they will STILL be cramming them into a 1911 frame.

>>33758147
>the year is 2593
>nuclear powered plasma beams are the norm for handheld pistols
>be at range
>chubby man with a greasy silver ponytail wearing vergonen war camo-skins walks up
>You know you really don't need a full beam, 7 shots will do you

Fucking flatlanders.

>>33758066
>Mixing up rotating bolt and rotating barrel
>Mausers have rotating bolts even though they very obviously have a falling locking block
Wow that's retarded

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>>33757203

>>33758161
>this retarded nigger thinks the c96 is the only mauser pistol to ever exist

>>33758178
>This retarded nigger thinks one wouldn't assume it's the C96 when you say "Mauser" without bothering to specify the model
Sorry kiddo but your obscure experimental piece of shit doesn't count as practical, or else it would've actually been produced.

>>33758200
>Or else it would have actually been produced
Was only seen as practical enough to be bought by the aryan masterrace of guns company Sig Sauer.

Fuck off nigger, shit is advancing, stop crying about it.

>>33758213
So are you going to tell me about this obscure experimental piece of shit, or what?

>>33758286
google is hard
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=mauser+m2

>>33758291
That's still rotating barrel you stupid fuck.

>>33758298
>it's one thing twisting onto the other thing not the other thing twisting onto the one thing
It's functionally identical you inbred retard

>>33758309
>Loses argument
>Oh I guess now the argument doesn't matter haha got em
You're still retarded friend.

>>33758328
Hey dumbfuck, if you have a bolt rotating into a barrel or a barrel rotating onto a bolt, what fucking difference does it make?
>Fucking nothing
You're a literal fucking crybaby trying to bitch about technicalities so that you can whine that pistol technology isn't moving on when in actuality it fucking is, but you just want to bitch about which thing goes in which hole.
Might as well head over to /mlp/ I hear they like arguing about their tiny dicks.

>>33758309
>an ar15 and a blow forward experimental rifle are the same thing!
>it's just twisting one thing into another!

>>33758383
>Blow forward
Are you blowing your text out your ass or something, retard? What the fuck are you talking about?

>>33758345
>The difference between them doesn't matter
>Except when I make multiple posts trying to prove practical rotating bolt pistols exist
>Oh well I'll direct meanie words towards him that'll show my superiority

>>33758454
Let's think about this retard.
If the barrel is rotating onto the bolt, does the pistol rotate in relation to the barrel?
Oh it does?
Wow it's a fucking rotating-bolt pistol.
by your fucktarded logic of someone stuck a clamp on the barrel so that everything else moved you'd call it a fucking rotating chassis pistol.

>>33758477
>does the pistol rotate in the relation to the barrel
meant
>Does the bolt rotate in relation to the barrel

>>33758039
The best form of recoil control is called man up and stop being a pussy faggot you Muslim homo

>>33758554
Well since you put it that way I noticed I had a vagina on my pelvis this entire time. I decided to stick a big white suction cup dildo on there, and whaddayaknow I can shoot a 10mm just as accurately and quickly as rob fucking leatham on a 9mm.

>>33749031
Softer recoil.
Rotating barrel would more or less eliminate muzzle flip compared to tilting barrel. I've yet to shoot a Px4, but I can understand the mechanics behind it.

>>33748607
Breh, this isn't a bad thing, this means we can further perfect these technologies, as well as their use and manufacture.

A 1911 made today is capable of being so much more than a 1911 made 100 years ago.

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>>33758654
>A 1911 made today is capable of being so much more than a 1911 made 100 years ago.

>>33753774
>but doing that with a .45 ACP would get you muzzle energy similar to .460 Rowland which has too much recoil to be practical.
On top of suffering brass rupture because .45ACP has a pretty flimsy casing.

>>33758660
What's incorrect in what I said faggot?
Do you think an old Colt will really be better than a top of the line Wilson Combat?

>>33752291
Wrong, the gas impingement action of the AR-15 is objectively excellent and only H&K marketers disagree.

>>33758670
1911's are not meant to be made in a factory.
The reason why so many modern 1911's are shit is because 1911's were designed to be handmade and fitted by craftsmen.
1911's are the gun that has almost certainly least benefited from the advancement in gun technology.

Not to mention it's fucking asinine to talk about perfecting modern firearm technology and then offer up an example of a gun that is more outdated than my dead grandfathers cock.

>>33753696
You don't need to drop the hammer when transitioning between targets just because you can, you can treat it like a single-action and use your double-action as a safety,

>>33758685
>1911's are not meant to be made in a factory.
>The reason why so many modern 1911's are shit is because >1911's were designed to be handmade and fitted by craftsmen.
>1911's are the gun that has almost certainly least benefited from the advancement in gun technology.
I CAN'T HOLD ALL THIS FUDDLORE!

>>33758685
Well the ones made in WW2 obviously weren't hand fitted and they worked fine. So you're wrong

>>33754281
Magazine fed revolvers are a retarded meme.

>>33750328

Because lugers are shit guns, and overly complicated.

>>33758713
>FUDD
That's not what that means.
Lurk more
>>33758715
You think fucking CNC machines existed in ww2? Is this a joke?

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>>33758685
And yet Flips can make crude and cheap 1911s on assembly lines that work perfectly fine.

People trying to make tightened semi-customs in factories is what's iffy, if you factory make a 1911 loose and rattly like they're supposed to, little goes wrong.
Only tight and fancy guns require handfitting.

>>33758685

You are wrong about pretty much everything you just said.

>1911's are not meant to be made in a factory.
They were obviously were designed with that application, and indeed were all throughout WW1 and WW2.

>The reason why so many modern 1911's are shit is because 1911's were designed to be handmade and fitted by craftsmen.
Also incorrect.
1911s are not designed to be well fit. Quite the opposite, they are designed to be totally parts interchangeable.
In fact armorers would clean batches of 1911s by disassembling them all, tossing all the parts into some oil, and pulling out piece as needed to assemble them.

>1911's are the gun that has almost certainly least benefited from the advancement in gun technology.
1911s have actually been the pioneering pistol in many advanced technological steps in competitive shooting.

>>33758731
The Luger is fine, it's just not as good as a slide design in that a Luger, unlike what anon thinks 1911s are, basically require handfitting during manufacture, and has a more complex action.

A properly manufactured Luger, with fresh, in spec springs and functional magazines, will run quite amazingly.

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>>33758685
>he thinks old GI issue M1911s and M1911A1s were tight and handfitted like a modern Ed Brown or other deluxe build

>>33758747
>and they work perfectly fine
AAAAAAAAAAAAAhahahahahaha
Good one.
>>33758748
>They were obviously were designed with that application, and indeed were all throughout WW1 and WW2.
And were fitted by craftsmen
>1911s are not designed to be well fit.
No shit, they were designed with loose tolerances, but a very minor error in variation of tolerances creates malfunctions in any 1911
>1911s have actually been the pioneering pistol in many advanced technological steps in competitive shooting.
You mean being pioneering in having a terrible grip angle, being finicky with ammo, unreliable, and heavy?
How pioneering, for 1920.

>>33758775
>he thinks handfitting requires even moderate amounts of skills
Sorry to break it to you but just because your fucking kimber doesn't work worth shit, it doesn't mean the US army didn't have some fucking calipers and a worksheet.

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>>33758736
>CNC machines didn't exist so that means there was no factory machinery or tooling

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>>33758791
>>33758780
>this fucking guy

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>>33758792
>Thinks hand fitted means literally every piece was hand sanded from a solid 12 tonne brick of steel

>>33748626
roller delayed pistols is the wave of the future anon.

easier to use with suppressors, slightly more accurate, it's probably the way to go imo.

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>>33758685
>1911's are not meant to be made in a factory.

>>33758804
Oh, so there's a factory involved, but it's not factory made?

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>>33753533

>>33758780

>And were fitted by craftsmen
Wrong.
>No shit, they were designed with loose tolerances, but a very minor error in variation of tolerances creates malfunctions in any 1911
Nope. Reread what I said about them being parts interchangeable. They were designed to work despite minor variation.
Same goes for many other American guns during WW2, such as the M1 Garand.

>You mean being pioneering in having a terrible grip angle, being finicky with ammo, unreliable, and heavy?
Do you actually not know about all the advances in competitive pistol shooting that were pioneered on the 1911 platform,
or have we reached the point in the argument where you feel backed into a corner, and just start shitposting so you don't have to feel like you've lost?
Just curious.

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>>33752404
Pretty sure that's what happened to my town too.

But before that truckloads of mexicans started showing up hanging around outside the walmart.

Strangest shit ever, like a Brown people critical mass was achieved and they spread everywhere.

>>33752683
Do you seriously think that would be good beyond novelty? There's more reasons than the Cold War ending for why it's not a good rifle.

>>33758833
>or have we reached the point in the argument where you feel backed into a corner, and just start shitposting so you don't have to feel like you've lost?
Pretty sure that's where he is, yes.

>>33758819
Modern factory made 1911's are factory made, whichever slide comes out at the same time whichever barrel comes out goes together, there is no tolerance check to make sure things work properly, contrary to popular belief when the US actually had people working in factories, jobs like checking tolerances on firearms was fairly common.
>>33758833
>muh they were designed to because john moses browning is god incarnate
And if you simply shove two random pieces together you end up with a shitheap of a gun that can't get through 20 rounds without a malfunction
>BUT IT WAS GOOD IN THE PAST
so was my dead grandpa's dick, i'm sure. Still aint worth a shit anymore.

>>33758761

When everything is properly hand fitted it works so much better. Production gun owners just dont know how much better firearms can feel.

>>33754281
detachable tubular magazines on shotguns would probably go a long way

>>33758855
>Modern factory made 1911's are factory made, whichever slide comes out at the same time whichever barrel comes out goes together, there is no tolerance check to make sure things work properly
Depends on if you're a shit manufacturer like Kimber or a good one like Dan Wesson.

>>33758855
>And if you simply shove two random pieces together you end up with a shitheap of a gun that can't get through 20 rounds without a malfunction
Wrong.

>>33758868
The Luger requires extensive handfitting to work, a 1911 doesn't, if it's made to GI specs.

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>>33758855

Well... thanks for letting me know how mad you are about being wrong, I guess?
Maybe next time you shouldn't talk shit when you don't know shit.
(*^_^)

>>33758809
Roller. Delayed. Pistols.

>>33758880

Noted, but I was commenting in general. Like the difference between a stock Remington 700 to a custom handbuilt hand assembled 700.

>>33748633
>trying to meme against the 1911 again
one hundred and six years and you're still wrong

>>33758873
>wrong
Then explain to me why nearly every fucking 1911 I've ever seen(in the fucking hundreds) that wasn't a custom made hand fitted baby(and a good few that were were shit anyways) malfunctioned at least once before the fucker who's manhood was actually physically tied with a rope to the thing got off the range?

>>33758885
>Says the other is going to start shitposting because he's losing the argument
>Starts shitposting because he's losing the argument
>Uses emoticons unironically
This is why you have that 22. rifle in the corner son, aim for the soft part of the roof of your mouth.

>>33755646
>mag fed revolver
Not an improvement, in fact retarded, see the Dardick. A slide/bolt and a magazine works perfectly fine and there's nothing that's improved for a pistol by adding a cylinder to it's action.

>faster pump action
What the shit does that mean? Faster how? What change to a pump-action would make it faster? Just saying "but it should be faster" is like saying "but the bullet should shoot harder"

>>33758908
>I put the . after the 22
I blame the commies for this.

>>33758908
>malfunctioned at least once
Maybe you're limpwristing it like a bitch.

>>33758908

How boring.
I could have literally guessed your response almost word for word.

Why are wrong assmad idiots so predictable, you guys?

>>33755412
>getting rid of all your supplies
>changing all your factories
>changing all your supply chains
>replacing all your guns
>when all of these things work perfectly fine and cartridge does what it needs to do
>for literally no reason

What would they gain?

>>33756225
Disintegrating belts isn't appealing to Russia and other slavs for budgetary reasons, their belts work fine and can be reused.

>>33758927
>I'm not shooting them faggot

>>33758930
>almost word for word
Wow good job with your esp skills anon!

Let's see if you can guess this one

Jacknife episode imprint pill sexiest adaption deduction monologue heelbone phenomena.

How'd you do?

>>33756225
>obviously the rim sucks for the rifles that use it
It really doesn't.

SVD has no problems feeding, extracting or ejecting, the magazines work fine.

The PKM or Pecheneg has no troubles with this either, and the large rim is in fact a benefit here as there's plenty of grip for the extractor.

>>33758966
I can tell you don't shoot guns indeed.

>>33758982
Well you're off on that one buddy, looks like your esp failed you this time!

>>33748626
>rotating barrel
annoying to use with suppressors

>>33758066
rotating bolt =/= rotating barrel

>>33759014
functionally nearly identical

>>33749072
>>9x19
1903 9×19 would be shit, but 2017 9×19 is pretty great at what it does.

>>33758685
put me in the screencap

>>33749043
9mm pressure has been continually updated.
.45 pressure cannot be updated any further - any higher pressures risk rupturing the thin case

>>33759019
No.

Rotating bolt is strictly a form of lockup.
Rotating barrel is a form of short-recoil, as well as locking.

There's a very substantial difference.

>>33759051
That's what .45 Super cases are for.

>>33759052
Rotating barrel recoil action is older than dirt. There is nothing new that hasn't been done before.

The past 60 years of firearm "design" has just been mixing and mashing ideas people 100 years ago had, trying to find marginally more optimal combinations of existing ideas.

>>33752683
Because you suck

>>33753799
At the range? Never you need to know your DA pull and transition to SA. The one time I ever had to clear my house I cocked it

>>33759040
>anytime anyone makes any controversial post on /k/ screencap it
How shit of expectations for screencappable shit do you have buddy?
>>33759052
Both would serve essentially the same purpose, the only reason why a "rotating barrel" would do anything to dampen recoil is gyroscopic force, which a rotating bolt would do as well, just with less mass.

>>33752217
DA/SA is fine.

>>33759090
>The one time I ever had to clear my house I cocked it

You're using your gun wrong and if you do not like DA, you can always use a CZ with a safety. Cocking a DA/SA gun before using it is on par with carrying a Glock without one in the chamber.

>>33759098
>which a rotating bolt would do as well
Right, but it's not it's function, it's to provide a secure and consistent lockup.

A rotating barrel is about lockup, but also quite a lot about recoil, and weight.

There might be similar principles at work but they really do pretty different things.

>>33759116
>Cocking a DA/SA gun before using it is on par with carrying a Glock without one in the chamber.
Why is that?

>>33752745
>.40 S&W FTW!
You mean .357 Sig, as >>33749074 shows, .40s&w doesn't deliver more energy than modern 9mm

>>33759124
I really doubt a rotating barrel would do that much more than a rotating bolt. I mean obviously it would do more than a rotating bolt, but like maybe what, just when talking about the rotating factor alone, which is all that matters, like 4x more? Which is 4x basically nothing? I mean it's an improvement, sure. But with how much it weighs down the gun otherwise it seems fairly pointless until someone can come up with a glock/m&p/insertstrikerfiredmasterracepistolhere with a rotating barrel, seems kind of pointless.

>>33759011
Only if you use a threaded muzzle.

If you use H&K style barrel lugs or a QD system that's seen on later silencers for mounting on flash hiders, there's nothing to worry about.

>>33758966

My guess was "random, nearly incoherent shit that has nothing to do with the argument"
So I'd score myself a solid B+

>>33759172
I never said that rotating barrel was a radical improvement, that must be someone else, all I'm saying is that it's functionally and mechanically different from a rotating bolt.

I think the Browning and Beretta styles of short recoil work quite alright.

>>33754649
tfw no sliding door like in Startrek

>>33759186
Well actually it was genuinely witty shit that was spurred from you directly ignoring the argument and derailing because you're a kike, so you should kill yourself. A+
>>33759191
I mean sure it's mechanically different, i'm just saying from a functional standpoint a rotating bolt would do basically the same thing, and that's essentially nothing at all, so there's really no point.

>>33759057
Thank you, kind sir for bringing this to everyone's attention. The argument shouldn't be 9mm Luger vs .45 ACP it should be 9mm luger vs .45 super.

>>33759116
Your opinion is retarded. A cocked DA/SA will fire when you pull the trigger, a glock without one in the chamber will not.

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>>33759218

so salty

>>33759116
If I had to use it defensively I'd just pull and shoot, but in that one case I had all the time in the world so I took the extra step. Sorry that's complicated for some people but it's a system I've been using for years and it works.

>>33759245
>I was just pretending to be retarded
Wow I totally didn't know you were being retarded, thanks for reminding me

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>>33752378
Fucking Kraut space magic

>>33754150
It really never will. Because of the way lograthmic curves work, computing power doubles with each generation. The only real limits are the fact that we're limited to binary code. That's cause electrons can only be in one of two charge levels, one or zero. If we started fucking with quantum physics, computing power could skyrocket even faster.

>>33759088
-and we hate you

>>33748607

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>>33751398
>gauss, caseless, and maybe even man-portable laser weapons
First contact with the Covenant can't come quickly enough.

>>33752316
>computers are the enemy of liberty

Only if you lack the education to make them work for you.

Just like everything, the first step is understanding.

also this >>33757078

>>33752736
It shouldnt been to bad honestly.

Buy a projectile and some mixable explosive solution and you'd be good.

>>33748607
No we haven't. The dawn of bullpups is upon us. There's all kinds of cool shit like forward/downward ejection and whatnot.

>>33758869
>>33758869
They already exist. Hickok had one on his channel not too long ago. Thing had 4 revolving tubes each loaded with 4 rounds each

>>33759916
>the dawn of bullpups
>first experimented with around WW1
>adopted as main service rifles by several countries 4 decades ago

>>33759867
>its 500years in the future and the primary service rifle for the unsc still used 7.62x39
The future looks grim /k/ommandos

>>33758869
Seems like it would be awkward.

>>33760489
Oh yeah, I saw that, it looked awkward.

>>33752378
>caseless ammo
>still comes in a case

>>33752378

if only they'd been smart enough to so ee the need for heat dissipation

Since a good chunk of the heat is dispelled in the case ejection, the G11 was just storing it all. Needs heatsinks that eject after every couple magazines.

Or just make an ejection port specialized for only venting heat or some shit.

>>33748607
The principle of "low mass high speed" has physical limits, which things like the Eargesplitten Loudenboomer have already pushed. It's gonna require a change of paradigm to move beyond the basic rotating bolt / brass cartridge design.

The future is polymer-cases telescopes rounds.
Possibly 6.5mm to replace both 5.56 & 7.62

The future is beyond powder.

I know its a leap but some kind of Fallout style fusion battery/cell releasing an energy pulse to propel the cartridge.

Magazine capacity could double or triple without the room needed for the cartridge/propellent.

>>33760769

they crack and jam up the action. as if.

>>33760769
Conventional layout polymer-metal hybrids are better.

>>33760769
The future is .22 long rifle in biathlon actions.

>>33752190
Yeah, but they are still doing the same basic things, transporting people, on wheels, by consuming some kind of fuel. Just like guns have went through quite a bit of evolution and do a much more basic thing which is use some sort of propellant to accelerate metal in a focused direction. We've went from, big fat metal barrel, with black powder launching balls, to cased, smokeless gun powdered, aerodynamically engineered boolits, semi automatic, magazine fed rifles with recoil reducing buffer systems, recoil reducing muzzle devices, huge advances in ergonomics, suppressors, highly advanced optics, lasers, flashlights, NVD's to compliment them, with their own set of optics, lasers, and lights, and we could go on for days, just like we can with cars. And no, once you have an engine on one, a mower is just a mower.

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>>33752348
I hear this all the time with respect to electronics/computers and firearms and I don't get it. Advanced electronics and robotics are already employed in worse conditions than a firearm and work flawlessly. Tech is here if people get over their weird aversion to it

>>33757203
Those are ordinance
not covered under 2A sadly

>>33754281
>Making a revolver gas sealing
>implying I'm not going to do that
Wait and see, faggots

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>>33758919
All attempts at mag fed revolvers are shit, no argument there. They're going about it wrong. All you need is a conventional magazine in the grip (might need modifications), which pushes cartridges through a ramp and into the cylinder. Very simple and practical.

>what the shit does this mean
I'm saying think outside the box. Move a different part of the gun to rack it. I have a few ideas for how this could be done, and I've heard the Burgess shotgun is very fast to operate. You seem to think I have all the answers here, but I don't. All I said was that it's possible to make these innovations.

>>33753188
This guy gets it

>>33758906
82 years and it's still outdated trash.

>>33762925
>conventional magazine in the grip which pushes cartridges through a ramp and into the cylinder.
Why.jpg

>>33760776
Yeah lemme just discover cold fusion real quick you fucking
The actual future is in new ballistic cartridge designs (LSAT telescopic ammunition, for example) or electro-chemical propellants.

>>33762925
>All you need is a conventional magazine in the grip (might need modifications), which pushes cartridges through a ramp and into the cylinder.
Completely pointless and needlessly complicated.

>>33763124
All the benefits of a revolver, with a higher capacity than a similarly sized automatic.

>>33763165
At the very least doubling a revolvers capacity by simply making room for a magazine is neither of those things.

>>33760586
>7.6x39
ex-fuckin-scuse me you Innie manlet scum, but the entire MA5 series of rifles uses the 7.26x51 full fucking NATO cartridge.
I bet you think exposure to plasma grenades causes Boren's Syndrome too, you dumbcunt Covie lover.

>>33763143
bump for electrothermal-chemical ignition
also I personally want rocket projectile guns like the MBT gyrojets

>>33752111
Gun bans will be unenforceable when we become spacefaring

>>33757348
The Soviets have had 3 12.7x108mm HMG's since WW2. DShK, NSV and Kord, not including aerial weaponry. The M2 just got a quick change barrel upgrade in the US army and the AN-M2/M3 has been in service since WW2. The M85 was a (adopted) failure.

>>33748607
>We used muzzle loaders for 300 years and nobody complained

>>33763400
>>At the very least doubling a revolvers capacity by simply making room for a magazine is neither of those things.
Keep the magazine, remove the cylinder. Your idea is pointless.

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>>33748626
>>33748626
ayy lmao

>>33749043
10mm and .357 Sig exist. No reason to use .45

>>33763856
Except that a high capacity revolver is far more reliable and versatile than a high capacity automatic. Also, combining a mag and cylinder increases the capacity you can get in a compact package.

>>33764140
A mag fed revolver would have more moving parts and would therefore be less reliable. A cylinder would make it less compact than an automatic (thicker profile) and the lack of a slide would make it double action only unless you went the way of that one "semi-auto" Mateba revolver, which would only make it more complicated and expensive.

So basically you'd have the advantage of a semi-automatic and the advantage of a revolver, but you'd also bring back the issues of those respective platforms and only make those flaws much worse than they usually are on their own.

Sorry, your idea's retarded and you know jack.

>>33764140
>Except that a high capacity revolver is far more reliable and versatile than a high capacity automatic
Not when you throw your moronic magazine loading mechanism into the mix. That proposal completely nullified any simplicity and reliability benefits revolvers may have.

>>33748607
Nah, people have been saying that about cars for a long time but they keep getting faster.

>>33764328
>Points out all the quirks of revolvers
>This is why automatics are better!
>Oh also a basic magazine makes it significantly less reliable I guess
Really fires the neurons

>>33764732
Sounds like you don't have very good reading comprehension

The magazine literally negates the revolver reliability edge like >>33764664 said. And this design would be huge, bulky, heavy and complicated. Sure you'd be able to use all kinds of ammo, but there are only so many things you can do with a handgun, so that advantage would be negligible, even if it had been worth all the weight, reliability and cost issues it would bring. And again, it would be double action only and if the magazine ever had an FTF you'd have to remove the magazine and shake the gun (maybe rotate the cylinder depending on circumstances and design) to clear the malfunction

>>33764732
If you combine a revolver and an automatic, the resulting abortion of a mechanism will be less reliable THAN BOTH OF THEM.

>>33764912
>Putting a magazine in an empty grip would make it huge
Wow wtf I hate automatics now

>>33764928
I never once mentioned a revolver combined with an automatic in any way, retard.

>>33764962
>nyan I never said automatic
So a retarded pedant. The worst combo.

>>33764690
why dont speed limits go up then?

cars are not getting faster. cars are not getting more fuel efficient. they are getting more electronics and getting more automated.

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>>33764962
It requires more than just a magazine you idiot. How would you feed the individual rounds into the cylinder, secure them and extract them? also, the grip would need to be larger because the cylinder+hammer mechanism would need room (pic related)

Look up the dardick revolver if you want an example of a mag-fed revolver. It's really impractical and was nothing more than a gimmick

he turns up the meme magic when he twists that handle

>>33752378
>need to turn the spinny thing (charging?) after you insert a magazine
>need to feed the magazine from a different magazine
>magazine loads from the front and is really long
>magazine moves back and forth with every shot
>whole thing is boxier than a homeless convention
seems like a shit design to me

>>33762620
what's the difference between arms and ordnance?

>>33765109
There's not a clear distinction, but ordnance seems to refer to non-man portable weapons (large cannons, missiles, etc) while arms seems to refer to the guns we know and love.

>>33764992
Generally you mix the insults with an actual argument so you don't make a fool of yourself, but I understand if you don't have one.
>>33765036
>how would you feed the individual rounds
Magazine pushes cartridges into the cylinder directly. That's it. They're secured as well as the rounds in any other revolvers cylinder. They are extracted one by one as the trigger is pulled.
>The grip would need to be larger
Hammers get in the way, so use a striker. Move the cylinder and trigger mechanism to the side, as a glock slides it's trigger bar around the magazine.

>>33765109
Generally weapons you can't carry one your own without extra equipment like howitzers and such. Large explosives usually fall under this category.

The question of whether or not you can have them. Sure I guess, you can. But good luck getting anyone to sell one to you. It's the whole "recreational nuke" thing. Sure we could make it legal to own but again good luck acquiring one.

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>>33765348
So would the cartridges feed from a slot in the outside of a barrel or would they feed horizontally like a typical revolver? because if it's the latter, you need a substitute for a slide which would make the gun fucking enormous.

>They are extracted one by one as the trigger is pulled.

Nice one, dumbass. How and where would they come out?

>use a striker

ever wondered why striker fired revolvers don't exist? And no, pic related is not striker fired, it's a concealed hammer.

>Move the cylinder and trigger mechanism to the side, as a glock slides it's trigger bar around the magazine.

Wouldn't work well at all because of the spring which rotates the cylinder

>>33765436
on the outside of the cylinder** is what I meant, like the Dardick

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>>33755412
>he doesn't know about glorious pk
>he clearly doesn't know anything about russia
>mfw

>>33765436
Look up the Landstad revolver.
Magazine fed with slide and striker fired.

>>33765480
That huge, single stack, unreliable piece of garbage hardly counts as a gun.

>>33765436
You don't need a substitute for a slide, just a simple extractor. It wouldn't be "fucking enormous".
>How and where would they come out
On the other side of the cylinder, pulled out by the extractor, pushed out to the side.
>ever wonder why striker fired revolvers don't exist?
I know why, because hammers work fine in traditional revolvers. Here they wouldn't, and so a striker is used.
>the spring which rotates on the outside of the cylinder
Get that Dardick shitter out of your head, they're both magazine fed revolvers and that's where the similarities end. I don't know what that is because it wouldn't be in this design.

>>33765781
>You don't need a substitute for a slide, just a simple extractor. It wouldn't be "fucking enormous".

Anon, rounds don't feed themselves and whatever feeds the round has to reset. The trigger would have to rotate the cylinder, actuate the striker and move the extractor. God knows how much space the extractor would take

>On the other side of the cylinder, pulled out by the extractor, pushed out to the side.

By the same extractor which fed the round? Are you making an Xbox?

I mentioned the Dardick because it's probably the only functionally sound magazine-fed revolver that was ever made, even if it was enormous and dumb

>>33765902
>Whatever feeds the rounds has to reset
No shit retard, that's why we invented these things called magazines that empty and need to be "reset"
>God knows how much space the extractor would take
Almost none because it doesn't need to.
>By the same extractor that fed the round
The extractor doesn't feed the rounds, as I've already explained.

>>33766110
So you have no idea how the magazine/cylinder thing would actually work, even if you did it wouldn't be reliable for shit. And it's hardly surprising because no one has ever made a similar design that functioned well. The idea of a mag-fed revolver was and still is really fucking dumb. It gives you one advantage (ammo vers) and the trade off is jut about everything else; size, weight, cost, reliability, ease of operation, malfunction clearing, field stripping and the possibility of using a suppressor (unless you want to somehow throw in a fucking gas seal on top of everything else)

>>33766227
I know exactly how it'd work, and it would be foolproof. I don't see what's hard to understand- a magazine pushes cartridges horizontally into the cylinder, and a small ejector knocks them out. That's it.
>the trade off is just about everything else
Wrong. Go read an article about the advantages of revolvers if you don't understand, and if you can't accept them then fuck off. This simply fixes the two fatal flaws of revolvers, low capacity and reload speed, with only a small change to their trigger, size, and weight.

>>33766427
It's fucking astounding how retarded you are. I know exactly what the advantages of revolvers are, and your dipshit concept renders them completely irrelevant for reasons already stated, but your pea-sized brain can't process that information

>small change to their trigger, size and weight
>small

I am losing IQ points with every post you type, holy fuck

>>33752316
he said, while using a computer

>>33757283
Maybe, but I sometimes wonder if someone took the risk to put it on the market if caseless wouldn't be a good civilian seller. It's too problematic with weather sealing and heat dispersion for military use, but in a slow rate of fire civilian gun it would have the advantage of being much more affordable than cased ammo of any material. I feel like caseless compact 12ga out of a tube magazine could find traction. Especially since you could get full power in a mini she'll size.

>>33763809
If nobody complained we would still be using then.

>>33766427
>>33766695
I guess I'll spell it out for your dumb fucking face

the reason revolvers are known for their reliability and simplicity is *because* they don't have a magazine. The rounds are fed manually into 5+ chambers which eliminates the risk of failure to feed, failure to extract, double feed or whatever the fuck else involves a magazine. Adding a magazine to the revolver design nullifies that advantage, how fucking hard is it to understand that? And how long are you going to deny that a mag-fed revolver is needlessly complex, large and has MORE MOVING PARTS

revolvers are good, semi-autos are good, but your idea is incomprehensibly stupid and you make bacteria look like Isaac Newton.

>>33765348
>>33765781
>>33766110
>>33766427
Every time you post your idea gets even stupider.

>I know exactly how it'd work,
Put up or shut up. Give us drawings or stop posting.

>>33761688
well as that guy said, the customer base is reactionary and in the US at least they tend to be conservative, both of those tend towards an attitude of "don't mess with it, it's fine the way it is"
also guns that can be used by one person don't really have a use for electronics
you have ammo counters, electronic locks, maybe some basic diagnostics, possibly electrically fired rounds... what else?

>>33766759
I think electrically fired rounds could find a niche if marketed correctly. Market them to reloaders, by emphasizing the elimination of consumable primers. All you'd need to keep reloading is powder and bullets.

A piezo-powered electric ignition system could be neat. Have a spring powered hammer strike a piezo to create the electrical spark, that way batteries would be eliminated.

>>33766756
Lmao i need to see drawings of this shitheap as well

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>>33758685

>>33752812

Fosbery did it first.

>>33754281

>>Rifles with oddball mechanisms, like short recoil or gas delayed blowback

That's not a development. There's a reason why the M1941 Johnson is no longer a basis for modern rifles.

>>33763400
>All the benefits of a revolver
What benefits? A double-action trigger? Don't need a cylinder for that.

>>33764962
>I never once mentioned a revolver combined with an automatic
Wow, so you literally want to just do a revolver with high capacity, what a worthless idea.

>>33765348
>Magazine pushes cartridges into the cylinder directly
So since your design isn't an automatic, is it just going to do this with the energy of a double-action trigger pull? It's not going to do it by itself.

God, every time you post your idea is all the more retarded.

>>33765781
>pulled out by the extractor
Which is operated by what?

The more energy you need to operate the parts in a manual action, the heavier your triggerpull will be if it's run on a double-action, you're looking at Nagant tier triggers here.