H&K Fucks Up Again

>>33742878
H&K was the only company to fight the 1989 import ban.

>>33742878
This article is almost 4 years old fagtard

>>33742886
and you notice Trump hasn't done shit for guns yet, besides Gorsuch.

Trump could EO away all of the import bullshit that isn't a russian sanction or a law. Just tell his ATF director that all guns are sporting purpose the way they are and don't need american parts or be classified as destructive devices.

>>33742945
Trump has more pressing issues than guns, as does the rest of congress, desu. Sadly, guns aren't exactly a priority.

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>>33742878

nevar forget the SL8 either. because you wanted a g36, but this is what you get because you suck. and we hate you.

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>>33742878
>wants mp5
>posts airsoft gun
Are you retarded?

>>33742953
What happened to the HK293 H&K USA promised?

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>>33742966
They are made and sold in europe.

>>33742966
H&K USA got in a dire financial situation, reformed, and cancelled the HK293.

>>33742952
that's not really why he hasn't done anything about the gun legislations.

Let's be honest here, gun owners are a captive audience for the republican party. Regardless of the level of inaction from the Republican party, gun owners won't defect to the Dems.

>>33742952
This is a nice way of saying he intends to fuck us and throw us away like a used up whore.

>>33742995
He does have his huntin'-fool son advising him on hazfunz issues, though. That's one of the things I'm confident he'll get around to. For good or ill, The Donald seems to value advice from family.

>>33743016
you're a fucking moron. I say this without any pretense, and having posted here since 2007.

>>33742878
>thinking that HK will ever give u anything other than a neutered version of their rifles/sub guns

give up already fag

>>33743031
>>33743016
>>33743005
i feel like running as a pro gun democrat, for a house seat.

I live in a safe democrat district close into a southern city. I think I could win the primary by getting republicans to vote for me. the republican general candidate can't even manage 20% of the votes.

>>33743063
Do it faggot.

Second Amendment rights have a much better looking political future than the GOP as a whole, we need credible support on the other side of the aisle.

>>33742995
>that's not really why he hasn't done anything about the gun legislations.
Gorsuch is on the Supreme Court and the Supreme Court is hearing a case about the unconstitutionality of may-issue states and counties.

http://www.newsweek.com/guns-america-supreme-court-considering-gun-case-could-expand-second-amendment-584408

>hk is to blame for us import laws
the mp5 would be classified as a non sporting rifle.

the sp5k (which you're about 2 years behind the curve on that) is a pistol

it's about what they can legally import you obnoxious faggot

>>33743230
Retard, then how does every other manufacturer able to provide non sporting rifles to the U.S market.

>>33743542
Several ways
>100% american made
No changes needed
>Imported as sporter
SCAR rifles and many AK variants come in the country as thumbhole stock sporters with single stack magwells. Once stateside they are modified to non shit config and 922r is applied
>imported as parts kit
AK kits are commonly imported and assembled stateside. They have to meet 922r compliance.

>>33743647

Why can't HK do that?

>>33743077
Thanks for posting this, hadn't heard about it

>>33743787

because you suck and we hate you

>>33743072
problem is how do I, a white boy, defeat a negro that has been there for decades.?

>>33743787
Because would you pay $6000 for a HK made MP5?

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>>33743831

But the MP5 is a mass-produced stamped sheet-metal gun

>>33743861
And all of the welds are done by hand and all of the alignment is key.

Building a functional MP5 in germany with german labor/taxes, then importing it, replacing major parts with domestically made parts and then selling them would result in an expensive product no matter what is being produced. The FN Scar costs $3000ish domestically and benefits from being minimal manual labor to build/convert

>>33743824
Promise better gibs

>>33743031
I've always found POS to be ok.
You, otoh, can suck shit from a sack.

>>33743915
>scar costs $3000ish domestically

Yeah it retails for that but it sure as fuck doesn't cost that much to make. SCARs cost $800 to make. I live in Columbia, SC where their factory is and know a couple guys that work there.

>>33743787
There are already several other companies doing it and it's already a bitch for them to do business with the US between our laws and theirs. That being said they are trying to expand in the US again as the we're before the AWB which made them aBandon building a big ads facility.

Why the fuck are there so many people willing to bitch about HK, or infatuated enough with their guns to cry ad-nauseum about them while failing to learn a damp thing about the company.

>>33743016
>senior adviser to the president: Jared Kushner
We're fucked.

>>33744183

this, HK would love to sell guns to us, but their anal as fuck german government and our no-fun-allowed government fuck them over with red tape 12 ways to tomorrow.

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>>33742878
You're fucking retarded.

5/10 decent bait

>>33743787
Because their shit costs so much that no one here will buy when they have the Turkroaches selling clones for one fifth of HK's prices.

>>33744053
you've always found him to be OK because you share the same level of rampant stupidity.

It's ok, wallow in shit like you always do in your tax bracket.

>>33744320

I'd put money on yours being a Canadian IP.

>>33744183

A little hard to read but I think I get what you're saying.

>>33742878
Hey you stupid broke ass little fuckboy i know its your second day in the hobby and you were eager to spend your tax return on a nifty gun but before you get ahead of the tax stamp and all that

What >>33742886 said. So fuck you.

Hk actually gives a fuck, and if they ever stop it'll be because of ignorant fucks like yourself.

>>33742945
Trump can't change german export laws fuckface

>>33744946
Trump can do whatever the fuck he wants, you fag. He's the fucking president

>>33743045
Not like they have a choice faggot.

>>33742995
>>33742945
Nigger you are trying WAY too fucking hard. Reel it in, please.

>>33743787
Because you're all bark and no bite, broke ass who when it comes to it won't put his money where his mouth is.

>>33744146
you're the guy whos dad works for nintendo?

>>33742953
keep perpetuating that meme when its the reality that german firearms law is dogshit

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>>33744764
To clarify, it's annoying when people bitch about things as if they were personally kicked in the duck while also being extraordinarily ignorant toward what they happen to be bitching about.

>>33744321
Except HK stills sells sp5ks, USPs, P2000s, P30s and VP9 all day long, preban guns go for over $2k on a regular basis and were it not for dealing with import/export bullshit HKs roller guns wouldn't be expensive. If it were cost effective for HK to continue exporting those guns on the US market they would be dumping them on us as fast as possible just like they used to. If they do manage to establish a new facility stateside their detractors won't have a leg to stand on even with US labor costs (look at PTR) and the Turkroaches would be BTFO. Feel bad for PTR though

>>33744994
that's two different posters, you moron. And if you can't refute the argument, why don't you reel your neck into a fucking noose?

>>33745805
>spaces out sentences, first one starting out uncapitalized, the second one capitalized
>second post is made in reply to one that replied to the first
>not the same poster
You're that special kind of dumb where you think everyone is as dumb as you are.

>>33745868
yes you stupid fuck. Because I'm one of them.

Why your mother didn't abort your retarded ass is a great mystery.

>>33746395
You are so goddamned stupid.

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>>33744938
>HK gives a fuck
couldn't even be bothered to install that 80.00 DROP in mag release stateside, instead you gotta buy it and do it yourself...

Even the Turks at Zenith don't fuck you that hard and they even throw in another spare mag at like 400.00 less.

>>33744969
Hahahahaha r.I.p. my sides

>>33746445
Nigga back in the day you got no bayo lig and no flashhider with shit either why the fuck you mad for, thems was the rules back in that day. You can get any shit ass polymer lower ar with those features now does that mean they're better? Also you apparently dont know that shit like that has to do with the auto sear and the shelf and the nevermind you don't know what any of that stuff is. Sorry no ones caressing your balls for you pumpkin.

P.s. stop being nigger rich and buying guns who's mags you cant afford.

>>33746445
Crying about $80 spent on a novelty gun. At that point it's a drop in the bucket on a part that while nicer, isn't a necessity.

>>33743824
Easy. Look at the history of the political machine that created the wealthy black class of politicians, and poison their well.

A show called "The Wire" has an interesting subplot about just this. A corrupt black Baltimore mayor vs an untested new candidate with only good intentions.

>>33744969
Can't pass immigration laws even though he is president

>>33742952
You think he, or any politician, actually reads most of the stuff they endorse?

They don't.

They are managers. For everything that isn't of actual personal importance to them, they pass that work to their staff, who delegate it to internal policy staff, to advisors, to external consultants or experts, or to researchers.

It would be impossible for the average politician to have simply personally read through even half of every piece of text, bill, correspondence, policy, etc. let alone understand it all, let alone then developed a position on it.

In the context of this though, the only reason nothing has happened, is because he hasn't bothered to appoint anyone to handle it when he could've and has the resources to. It's not really a matter of time or attention, it's a management issue.

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>>33744946
>>33744969

>>33742953
I don't get why people hatr the sl8, i love the way the old ones look

>>33745574
its literally american import laws

>>33743915
Boi, I can tell you right now, with HK doing military production for Germany, the US, the UK and many other countries

They're not fucking welding ANYTHING by fucking hand.

Robot welders cost pennies on the dollar with the consistency of welds they get, the speed they can weld, the fact that they have less down time than a couple of welders together and the fact that you end up saving money two fucking weeks into production having the machine already paid itself off.

>>33745019
And chances are, with the SCAR being an Aluminum extruded upper, CNC machined, injection molded piece of Stoner AR18, chances are, it is 800$ to manufacture.

They do not cost 2200$ to fucking import either, when a simple pos injection molded stock costs you fucking 5 dollars in plastic.

>>33742878
Why do people care so much about H&K anyway?

More and more third world countries are catching up to their quality (and even surpassing it) while being significantly cheaper yet H&K is still seen as a "premium" brand.

I really don't get it.

>>33742945
>>33742952
NRA doesn't want Trump to do anything about the import bans. Import bans are good for American gun companies.

H&K costs so much because they have to fight complex domestic adversaries

>>33742878
Must be hard to export them like this, can't blame h&k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvPoncNYF5g

>>33742945
>trump hasnt done shit about guns
That was the point. Notice how we do not have an assaultweaponsban again that we would have gotten instantly with clinton?
Notice how the internet is still open and you're allowed to say mean things on facebook and your video games still?

>>33742952
Which is exactly why he gets called a sellout. I don't think there's another demographic that voted harder for him than trump. Amongst people who own more than one gun, would you be surprised at 95 percent trump? And like 85 percent turnout? Even deep bumblefuck Kentucky did not give him this much support, and he has done shit all so far, even though it would be so God damn easy and not cost him political capital at all. I don't even know if he passed the carry on base EO he promised to do on day one.

>>33743063
How would you win the primary?

>>33743915
>Building a functional MP5 in germany with german labor/taxes, then importing it, replacing major parts with domestically made parts and then selling them would result in an expensive product no matter what is being produced.

fuck 922r

>>33745733
Why you feel bad for ptr? How much of a stretch would it be to get us a 9mm or 45 acp gun with an mp5 action when they already make a nice g3 clone for 800?

>>33749083
He's incompetent. We already knew this. Best case scenario, he learns how to govern over the next year.

The president will still be a selfish asshole, but this is a known quantity.

>>33743063
>pro-gun Democrat

National party isn't going to like you, that's for sure. Just look at Joe Manchin.

You're literally a special snowflake with how partisan things are today.

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>>33748907
They were coming after gun owners pre Trump and they were coming full assault weapon ban.
>so glad this prissy ayy lmao bitch went back to shadows

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>>33749083
>he promised
>Trump

>>33748907
Oh wow, I am so grateful for not getting raped. Its as though by not being evil, he no longer owes us anything. What a gig.

>>33743077
Could a victory here potentially lead to national reciprocity for conceal carry?

>>33749200
no, but it could lead to universal shall-issue
better attack plan for reciprocity would be the full-faith and credit clause

a better plan yet would be to simply push for reciprocity through legislation

>>33742878
this article is 4 years old, the mp5ks have been being imported since last year, what the fuck are you crying about?

>>33749137
>fuck 922r
Literally this. Any faggot wasting his time and money with making his gun 922r compliant needs to grow a dick and get some common sense. When was the last time your local police asked to inspect your gun?

>>33748398
False, if it were American import laws then other countries like Israel, Romania,CZ, Would not be able to send there weapons over here. I believe they have to have a certain amount of American parts in them to import, HK are just cum guzzling pussies

>>33743824
Wite bois cant compet

>>33746445
>couldn't even be bothered to install that

kind of like how you couldn't be bothered to figure out that those things had to be specifically excluded because of the design and various laws when certain other more desirable features were included

and adding a paddle stateside would require refinishing the reciever

>>33749154
>joe manchin

>pro gun

nigga wut?

I just want an MP7 pistol.

>>33744268
No, HK OF USA would love to sell guns to us.

HK of Germany fucking hates the US, hates you, hates money unless it comes from some Military that won't generate them a fraction of the business and won't let HK of USA to just say fuck it and start making shit like G36, USP and MP5 knockoffs, in the same vein how Zenith can make their own knockoffs.

They just won't allow it.

>>33742952
That orange nigger writes 30 EOs a day, he can squeeze in a few rescinding some import bullshit

>>33751938
It's like SEGA all over again ;_;

>>33748738
Because of video games and movies.

Reminder the USP was originally produced to compete with Glock and cost no more than $650.
HK hasn't even ever made anything besides pistols. All of their rifles are stolen designs.

>>33748560
>800$ to manufacture.
Definitely less, considering that an AR costs less to make, not counting differences in us/euro labor and taxes.

>>33749142

From time to time I wonder why they haven't turned out a single mp5 clone but they probably never bought the tooling in the first place.

>>33742878
>Chrissake, why is it so hard to just take THIS shit over here, and make it semi-auto?

Because first they have to meet the German requirements for export and get approval, and then they have to meet the American requirements for import and get approval. And the German and American requirements don't exactly line up. It's the same reason when don't have those semi-auto G36s either.

>>33751938
HK is definitely one of the most poorly run companies I've ever seen.

>>33750075
buying the bullshit they sell you, turks are able to sell the same gun different stamps with the so called "red tape" restricted features...

>>33750075
>and adding a paddle stateside would require refinishing the reciever

Oh no, I have to redo the shitty paint on my $3000 tube gun made of stamped steel and shitty welds.

>>33750184
Exactly. Even a filthy grabber like him gets lumped in with us simply because he's OK with Fudd guns.
Let me just repeat that.
Joe Manchin doesn't like assault weapons, but still totes that he likes his .22 Henry and gets shit on by his own party as if he is a molon labe-ing ammosexual while they claim that they don't want to take your guns away. That is where the dems are right now: if you aren't a shrill cunt like Feinstein, you aren't with them anymore(and probably working with the Russians).

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>>33752887

> Scars actually ought to be 750 at retail

>>33749142
While PTR makes really good guns there has to be buyers for those guns.
I don't know how many people would actually buy a MP5 clone and if it would be worth it for PTR.

>>33753420
At the most 1k
Same with sig 716s.

>>33742952
>govornmental priorities
>higher than freedom
Pick one

>>33742878
my uncle (who has a class 3 license) owns a semi mp5. h&K doesn't market to civilians here because of lawsuits that manufacturers are being hit with

>>33753420
>>33753848
Scars should cost less than the cheapest AR based on production costs. Aluminum extrusion+plastic is always cheaper than aluminum forgings, and the other parts of the scar are clearly designed for economy of manufacture as well.

>>33748907
I, for one, am quite pleased with the status quo!

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>>33745574
>>33742953
Nigga, we used to resort to that thing as well . The ban on "le evil black rifle" affected it us for quite some time.
The SL8 was replaced by this thing btw

>>33742966
>HK293
You´re not missing much, don´t worry

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>>33748907
gee, I sure am happy that we get to live with the status quo instead of getting actual positive change.

>>33743072
If only that were true

Whites are essentially the only ones who give a shit about gun rights, and as our population size relative to anti-gun hispanics, asians and blacks things are only going to get worse on that front. We've been enjoying a resurgence, but that can only last so long with demographics working against us.

>>33742945
POTUS has more jobs than guns you retard

>>33744146
>Yeah it retails for that but it sure as fuck doesn't cost that much to make. SCARs cost $800 to make. I live in Columbia, SC where their factory is and know a couple guys that work there.

The marginal cost of a SCAR is $800.

The average cost is way fucking higher.

>>33755918
>Scars should cost less than the cheapest AR based on production costs

It's like you niggers think R&D + manufacturing line construction is free. Things cost more than just the thing in itself.

>>33749142
Anybody that makes an MP5 style gun is either building parts kits which are expensive as fuck or like the turk, Paki and PTRs they bought some tooling. PTR doesn't have the tooling for the MP5 or the HK33. To build those the could get the specs but without the machines there's no good way to build those parts that are cost effective. Especially with the barrels, bolt, buffers and rollers. Making a 45 would be worse because they can't just copy/paste.

They know of the demand for the MP5 and HK33 but making either is a gamble. What's the last time you saw mags for either. The PTR32 didn't even do that we'll and unless they go with the AR mag well G41...people would still bitch because it doesn't look right

there was an sp5k for sale at my lgs for 2400€

>>33757730
>Euros
>an MP5 variant
What magical, uncucked corner of Europistan do you live in?

>>33757736
literally germany

its a semiauto pistol, no problemo
stocks on pistols, no problemo

Our legal difference between pistols and long guns is cartridges, not some retarded "there has been a stock attached to it at some point" rule

>>33757736
Are you kidding?
You can buy a lot of shit even in cuck-central germany.
There are Zenith MP5s or those new, overpriced H&K options.

>>33757736
The ting hard to get in most parts of Europe is the permit.
Limitations on the type of firearms are not worse than most places of the US.
http://triebel-shop.com/product_info.php?products_id=49559

>>33757680
Motherfucker, what fucking R&D?

It's a fucking carbon fucking copy of the AR18 and has been in fucking production for more than a fucking DECADE. And in many ways, is greatly cheapened in design from the fact that it fucking uses a metric fuckton of injection molded plastic, the dies of which NEVER go out of spec, as in as long as you clean them, they last FOREVER.

An 800 dollar price tag also accounts for the fact that everything is CNC machined and checked by a computer in FN wants to actually meet DOD production specifications they usually have.

Now fucking don't forget to take a deep breath before you rub what few braincells you have, together, before going back to being an FN shill.

>>33757766
check'd
>Limitations on the type of firearms are not worse than most places of the US.
actually some stuff is somewhat even more reasonable. for instance the whole US upper/lower distinction is pretty dumb for many non-AR15 pattern guns

>>33757803

I can go buy a silencer for a hundred bucks no ID no license. Nobody would give a fuck.

>>33757852
I doubt that.
Also I fail to see the relevance.

>>33757878
>Also I fail to see the relevance.

Just illustrating that yes, indeed, some places outside of the US has better laws for this shit than the US.

Here, $100 silencer

www huntinglife net /webshop/113-lyddaempere/9203-sl-lyddaemper-lr22-/

>>33757963
>lyddaemper
lel

>>33757801
You're dumb as fuck. You think the scar selection process was free?

>>33742966
Just buy a SL-8 you tard

>>33743063
>Pro Gun Democrat
Every Pro Gun Democrat has had pressure applied to bend their stance.
See Harry Reid, Joe Manchin, Kirsten Gillibrand.
TLDR a certain point will come where the party line must be towed.
Your probably better off running as an anti-gun republican

civie hk433 when?
basically a proper metal scar

>>33753158
This, it's gotten numerous hand-out contracts and is in constant financial trouble, NATO has to keep propping it up because it's critical but it's past time they moved most manufacturing to HK USA.

For a company with such a good product it's baffling, almost like they hate money

>>33753210
Turks have no export qualms on their end other than bare minimum NATO compliance. Germany OTOH has butt loads of arms control red tape that would honestly be better served by just moving to the US.

Problem here is ITAR exists

>>33758112
>HK-USA

literally turning a quality product into shit.
theres not a single gun company that have moved production to the us, and has kept their quality.
its not even production, your importers always manages to make guns worse somehow.
>sig usa
>fn usa
>sphinx
>cz-usa
>EAA
>PPKs
and us made
>aks
>hk91s

the market in the us is geared towards cheap guns that are seldom used. thats not good.

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>>33742952
>Trump has more pressing issues than guns

You're goddamn right he does. Implementing Israel's foreign policy objectives of neutralizing Iran is a top priority for this administration.

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>>33742878
>because I suck and they hate me.

ftfy faggot

>2013 HK applies for permit to build guns for export
>2016 HK exports one of those two guns
>SP5K gonna be on sale in the US!!!!!!
>Arrange to buy ~#500 of new production
>Wait patiently for the SC5SD to make it here

What you and everyone else needs to understand about HK is ... at the moment the consumer is not their bread and butter. Their priority has been filling large government contracts. If you don't want to pay or don't want to wait. Don't. No one is holding an HK to your head.

>>33758205
>hk91s made in the US

wut?

>>33742966
ATF fuckery, most likely. Look at how they're fucking with FB Radom.

>>33748851
This desu.

I hate how american gun companies cant survive without being coddled and getting handicaps in their favor

I'm commenting on this because I actually have an MP5, that came in an H&K box. Yeah, lately they've been cucking everyone here stateside. But no mine I believe was a replica since you can't actually get the real thing, but it uses the same parts that are in the MP5. So technically it is an MP5. I just wish they sold full auto.

>>33758205
>sphinx
>cz-usa
>EAA

They're all fine. My biggest beef with any of them is that EAA insists on rebranding Tanfoglios as EAA Witness, they're good guns otherwise.

Of your list, SIG USA is the only real offender.

>>33758566
He's referring to PTR-91s. Most likely Century-made ones, and we all know everything Century touches turns to shit. Other domestic PTR-91s are fine.

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>>33758634
>I actually have an MP5, that came in an H&K box.

me too. inb4 no it's not, since it's not full auto ...

>>33758656

why would someone think a Century PTR was comparable to a HK-91?

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>>33758656
>Century PTR-91

>>33758656
>>33758709
>century made ptr91s
Sure is /new/ in here.

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>>33742945

>>33744741
And your tunes are probably a reddit IP

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>>33758743

I frankly dgaf about clones and whomever makes/imports them.

And I unashamedly throw my money at the real deal.

>>33749900
>Israel
IWI has a plant in the US "making" tavors or some shit. IDK if they are actually making them or putting together israeli parts that aren't actually a firearm with some 922r stuff to make it kosher. What ever they are doing, the rifles aren't shipping as rifles from israel and showing up here.
>Romania
Those come in a single stacks and century mills the mag wells out and puts US parts in them
>CZ
idk how they are bringing evo rifles and bren's in with the import shit.

>>33757680
Why don't you tell me what you think the R&D costs were so I can laugh at you

>>33749173
You know the guy still has another 3+ years to go and other shit to work on right

>>33757325
it would take him all of a day to EO away the import ban and 7n6 ban.

hire more ATF people to process forms to reduce NFA prison wait times.

>>33760888
>giving ATF more power
No, the best part of the situation we're in right now is that we're swamping the ATF so hard they're considering removing silencers from the NFA to lighten the workload.

>>33758656
EAA doesnt import small frame tanfos, (9mm and 38) because muh logistics. and in turn you loose reliability, and they can malfunction with certain ammo.

Sphinx has absolutely tanked from what they were, I've shot and used both a swiss made sphinx 3000 and the sphinx sdp. it went from being the best cz clone to being no better than the cz shadow.

CZ usa are starting to make some shit on their own now, "custom" guns, which is just mismatching the guns and overpricing them.

I can agree that FN isnt really that bad, they started new series of weapons geared towards the us marked instead of fucking up existing products

>>33760888
>EO away the import ban and 7n6 ban.
literally the reason these exist are greedy as fuck domestic industry.
trump would literally jeopardize thousands of jobs with foreign competition.
Trumps an isolationist, at least he pretended to be.

trips so who knows, would be awesome to get rid of the ITAR and 922r assault weapons ban, chink gun ban and kalash ban