Cold War NATO thread

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More Chieftain tanks. They have a bit of a mixed combat record since the one time they were used en masse in the Iran-Iraq War, they got screwed pretty badly fighting Iraqi T-55s and T-62s during the Battle of Dezful (pretty sure it was Dezful, might be wrong). Granted I attribute most of the Chieftain casualties to the atrocious Iranian battle strategy and shit terrain (plus the Iraqis were waiting in hull-down positions), but that still doesn't make for a great track record. Maybe with British crews and the updated later models things are different, but that's what we got for actual use.

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Another Chieftain.

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Some members of the BAOR. Paging autist anon for details on the British Military during the Cold War, I have very little background knowledge on it.

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>>33718657
Kuwaitis rekt T72's with 0 chieftain losses at a battle over some bridge

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>>33718698
Guess its situational then.
>>33718684

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>>33718684
What would you like to know?

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>>33718708
>What would you like to know?
Well, as much as possible really
>What were the readiness levels of the BAOR during the Cold War?
>What was their combat strength?
>How readily would the UK have been able to reinforce the BAOR should shit go down?
>At what point did they start getting things like Warriors and Challys?
>>33718702

I managed to avoid a BAOR posting during my time in because I was occupied elsewhere, though I was in Germany shortly after I left the Regular Army. I'm not sure what you want to know about, if anything, but ask away and I'll answer to the best of my ability.

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>>33718743
Well could you start with the stuff I posted here?
>>33718734
Also a couple more
>Were BAOR postings considered a good thing?
>How squared away was the British military at the point of your service?
>If the Cold War went hot, how fucked were you guys?
>Was there a shift in perception to the military after the Falklands?
>>33718734

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Unfortunately this is the last I got in pics of the BAOR.

>>33718791

why is it destroying that cabbage

West Germany military strength, 1989

>Army: 335,000 Active, 717,000 Reserve (including 38,000 Territorial Army)
-Tanks: 5,045 (2,020 Leopard 2, 2,370 Leopard 1, 415 M48A2G)
-APC: 3,646 (2,790 M113, 856 Fuchs)
-AIFV: 2,136 Marder
-Recce: 600 (410 Luchs, 140 Fuchs, 50 Wiesel)
-AT Vehicles: 608 (130 Kanonenjagdpanzer, 316 Jaguar-1, 162 Jaguar-2)
-Self-Propelled Guns: 806 (586 M109 155mm, 226 M110 203mm)
-Towed Guns: 460 (50 Mod.56 105mm, 195 M101 105mm, 216 FH-70 155mm)
-MLRS: 229 (209 LARS 110mm, 20 M270 MLRS)
-SSM: 26 MGM-52 Lance Launchers
-Army AD (SAM): 143 Roland
-Army AAA: 2,300 (432 Gepard 35mm, 1,700 Rh.202 20omm, 200 L/70 40mm)
-Helicopters: 750 (210 Bo.105 Attack, 187 UH-1, 108 CH-53, 97 Bo.105, 313 SA-313, 10 SA-318)

>Air Force: 106,000 Active, 106,000 Reserve
-Fighters: 493 (152 F-4F/E, 194 Tornado, 147 Alpha Jet light attack)
-Recon: 72 RF-4E
-Transport: 84 C-160, 60 Do 28
-VIP Transport: 4 Boeing 707, 7 CL-601
-Trainers: 35 T-37, 41 T-38, 38 Alpha Jet
-Helicopters: 110 UH-1
-SAM Batteries: 70 (36 MIM-23, 34 Roland)

>Navy: 36,000 Active, 26,000 Reserve
-Destroyers: 6 (3 Lutjens, 3 Hamburg)
-Frigates: 8 Bremen
-Corvettes: 5 Thetis
-Missile Boats: 40 (20 Tiger, 20 Albatros/Gepard)
-Amphibious: 20 LCU-8
-Mine Warfare: 51 (2 Sachsenwald Minelayers, 6 Hameln, 18 Lindau, 7 Schutze, 18 Ariadnel)
-Submarines: 24 (18 Type 206, 6 Type 205)
-Naval Aviation (Fighter): 72 Tornado + 24 Tornado Recon
-Naval Aviation (ASW): 14 Breguet Atlantic + 5 ELINT
-Naval Aviation (Helicopter): 41 Lynx
-Naval Aviation (Utility): 19 Do 28

>Paramilitary
-Border Guard: 20,000
-Coast Guard: 1,000

I have these same stats on every other NATO (and warsaw pact) army from 1980-1989 so ask and I'll deliver

>>33718952
Do you think i could get Norway? Thanks.

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>>33718920
Cabbage is for communists.

In the meantime while I'm trying to get more pics and before I need to take a short intermission for dinner, I'm going to post just random NATO-related Cold War stuff. Starting with some Canadian pics.

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>>33718952
Thank you based autist anon. Could I have the Brits?
>>33718971
>>33718971
>tfw the Canucks destroyed most of their FALs

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>>33718952
>-Destroyers: 6 (3 Lutjens, 3 Hamburg)
>-Frigates: 8 Bremen
>-Corvettes: 5 Thetis
>-Missile Boats: 40 (20 Tiger, 20 Albatros/Gepard)
>-Amphibious: 20 LCU-8
>-Mine Warfare: 51 (2 Sachsenwald Minelayers, 6 Hameln, 18 Lindau, 7 Schutze, 18 Ariadnel)
>-Submarines: 24 (18 Type 206, 6 Type 205)
>-Naval Aviation (Fighter): 72 Tornado + 24 Tornado Recon
>-Naval Aviation (ASW): 14 Breguet Atlantic + 5 ELINT
>-Naval Aviation (Helicopter): 41 Lynx
>-Naval Aviation (Utility): 19 Do 28
tfw we will never reach these numbers again

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Britbong here, some of these pics are amazing. Lurking but I don't have much to contribute about this subject.

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Canadian Centurion tank.

>>33718774
>Were BAOR postings considered a good thing?

Broad question. There were plenty of guys who got them that loved it to bits, so much so that they ended up staying out there when they signed off. German wives, Audi 100, the whole lot. Others despised it, mainly those who weren't into the drinking and social side of things or wanted a combat tour. I did my stint in Germany as a Territorial, on a very unusual basis.

>How squared away was the British military at the point of your service?

Very. 1961 to 1968, man and boy. Virtually very SNCO when I joined had done at least one out of Malaya, Korea, Kenya, WW2 and many had done multiple. I went from one very competitive Regiment into another, so there was a wealth of experience. By the time I was in the TA, for a while in the 70s, a lot of this had gone away but there were still a lot of good heads.

>If the Cold War went hot, how fucked were you guys?

I remember a young officer's wife telling me, in full confidence, that they'd all be fine if nuclear war were to begin as we'd know about it well in advance - enough time to get all the women and children back to the UK and in shelters. She was about 20 years of age. I'd not the heart to tell her, and I understood why her husband spun her that one. We'd have been fucked. So would they, but that wouldn't have done us any good.

>Was there a shift in perception to the military after the Falklands?

Possibly. In my opinion, it came after Prince's Gate. That was the first time most of the Army had heard of the SAS, never mind the public. Falklands spurred it on.

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First serial production Leo

>>33719048
Prince's Gate being the Embassy Siege?

I spoke to a former officer who said the Soviets had their old tanks deployed with the modern ones. They would have sent the old ones first because they literally had more tanks than we had ATMs. Modern second wave would be able to roll on.

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>>33719048
>As a territorial
Could you explain to a non-Brit like me what that means? I've heard the term before but have no understanding of that position within your military
>On a very unusual basis
Care to explain?

Also more questions
>Did you ever interact with anyone from the Warsaw Pact/Soviets? If so, how did that go?
>What was your impression of the Bundeswehr during your time in Germany?
>What was your impression of other NATO armies?
>How did you rate your chances against a Warsaw Pact land invasion?

>>33719027
Would be posting pics faster, but I'm also taking the time to actually look around for Cold War stuff on the internet and I'm getting sidetracked by all the shit I'm finding.

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>>33719114
Forgot to mention, that pic and this one are Canadians.

>>33719090
Yes.

>I spoke to a former officer who said the Soviets had their old tanks deployed with the modern ones. They would have sent the old ones first because they literally had more tanks than we had ATMs. Modern second wave would be able to roll on.

Their doctrine wouldn't really match that. They had their premier units (catergorised A, for readiness and capability) tasked with providing the breakthrough at various points - HM Forces at the time were most concerned with preventing Warsaw Pact forces in the form of Polish Naval Infantry coming through Northern Germany with Soviet armour, aided by tactical nuclear weapons blowing holes in the lines. After they had gained the initiative, these 'A' divisions would press on to secondary objectives in the rear, with 'B' divisions holding the ground. 'C' were reservists, localised and only capable of meeting 'B' status - they were not equipped for breakthrough duties.

The main Soviet opponent to BAOR of the time was 3rd Shock Army. It's often erroneously written as 3rd Guards Shock Army. They had four divisions (Soviet measure), with about 20 supporting assets deployable at any level they saw fit. A serious force.

>>33719114
>territorial
I think they're akin to our National Guard and reserve units.

>>33719048
How much training did you do with other nations outside of NORTHAG? US? French?

>>33719114
Territorial Army is what we now call the Army Reserve. They can be deployed alongside regulars, but I'll leave it to the man himself to explain the specifics.

>>33719148
Yeah, I've heard vets talking about the 3rd Shock. I know the Americans did, but what was our position with tactical nuclear weapons?

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>>33719127
Just discovered a boatload of Canadian stuff, will post a few before I head out to dinner.

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Navy vs RAF.

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>>33719224

>>33719114
Territorial is now known as Reserve, which I suppose is more accurate. US equivalent would be National Guard, in Europe perhaps militia or strategic reserve. I spent 7 years in the Regulars, then a few years on and off in the Territorials.

>Care to explain?
I was at the Joint Services Interrogation Wing, then spent a time on the staff at two NATO schools.

>What was your impression of the Bundeswehr during your time in Germany?
I didn't care for their discipline or their approach to man management, but I could appreciate the politics that led them to that state. On a tactical level they were well equipped, well led and had an enthusiasm in the job that seemed genuine. All that said, the limitation at the political level was apparent and obvious to even casual observers.

>What was your impression of other NATO armies?
Changed many times by instance and over the years. I always thought the Belgians were very good, all things considered. None were particularly terrible, aside from the Turks who oozed incompetence.

>How did you rate your chances against a Warsaw Pact land invasion?
I'll stress now that I wasn't an officer, so my understanding of broader strategy is limited to the academic stuff. If, for whatever reason, nuclear weapons hadn't been used then I don't think the WP would have reached Calais, despite their claims to the contrary. By 1980 I don't think they'd have reached Cologne.

With their aggressive WMD operations and tendency to commit in full to every task, however, if they had carried out their set piece perfectly then I think they'd have been in with a decent shot. Their bridging capability was particularly potent.

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>>33719241

>>33719259
Canada Cold War era pics have a beautiful mix of American and British aesthetics

>>33719150
US military was the first foreign military I worked with, at the British Army's jungle warfare school in Johore. We also had an American exchange officer for Borneo, who was very good. Very, very good. We were training them at first, but they learned fast and put it to good use in Vietnam.

In Germany, the ones I interacted with were above my pay grade for the most part so I was only consulted on narrow, specific areas. They were still a pleasure to work with though. Perhaps I'm biased, as I moved to the States in the 80s, but I always liked working with the US Forces.

France weren't in the NATO command when I was around but again, a professional bunch. Far more secretive, however.

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>>33719267
That they do.
>>33719242
Thanks for taking the time to answer my questions.

May ask more later, I'm going to grab dinner now.

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>>33719323
Judging by the headwear on the leading soldier, guessing this is some kind of highlander unit.

>>33719174
I don't know so I won't speculate, but I'm fairly sure that the Army's relationship with tactical nuclear weapons ended with the demise of the nuclear artillery program we had going. Google tells me it was called "Yellow Anvil", which is part of the Rainbow Code.

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>>33719394

This thread is fucking based, cheers OP.

>>33718952
As an unrequested bonus, here's what US troops in Europe

-Total Manpower: ~224,000
>Army:
-384 M1A1 Abrams Tanks
-46 M60A3 Patton Tanks
-200 M2 Bradley IFV
-331 M113 APC
-368 M109 155mm SPH
-228 M110 203mm SPH
-80 M270 MLRS
-73 M163 VADS 20mm SP AAA
-37 M167 20mm AAA
-240 MIM-104 Patriot SAM Launchers
-120 MIM-23 Hawk SAM Launchers
-12 M1097 Avenger SAM Launchers
-96 MIM-72 Chaparral SAM Launchers
-108 Pershing-II IRBM
-63 MGM-52 Lance SRBM
-144 AH-64A Apache Attack Helicopters
-253 AH-1F Cobra Attack Helicopters
-269 OH-58 Kiowa Scout Helicopters
-216 UH-60 Blackhawk Helicopters
-78 UH-1 Iroquois Helicopters
-64 CH-47 Chinook Helicopters
-27 EH-60 EW Helicopters
-10 U-21 King Air Transport Aircraft

>Air Force:
-112 F-15C Eagle Fighters
-264 F-16C Fighting Falcon Fighters
-24 F-4G Wild Weasel Strike Fighters
-168 F-111F Aardvark Strike Fighters
-144 A-10 Thunderbolt II Attack Aircraft
-20 RF-4C Phantom Reconnaissance Aircraft
-18 EF-111A Raven EW Aircraft
-10 EC-130 Commando Solo EW Aircraft
-10 EC-135 C&C aircraft
-16 F-5E Aggressor Trainers
-460 BGM-109G Gryphon Cruise Missiles


>U.S. Sixth Fleet (supporting operations in the Mediterranean)
-x1 Carrier USS John F. Kennedy
-x2 Cruisers (variable classes)
-x4 Destroyers (variable classes)
-x2 Frigates (variable classes)
-x4 SSN (variable classes)
-Carrier Air Wing:
-Amphibious Ready Group: x1 Iwo Jima Class LHA, x1 Amphibious Transport Dock, x1 Dock Landing Ship
~2,200 Marine Expeditionary Unit w/ 4 M60 Tanks, 7 LAV-25 IFV, 15 AAV-7 APC, x6 M198 155mm Howitzer, x6 AV-8 Harrier Fighters, x4 AH-1 Attack Helicopter, x3 UH-1 Transport Helicopters, x12 CH-46 Transport Helicopters, x4 CH-53 Transport Helicopters, x2 KC-130 Refueling Aircraft
-Other Coastal Aircraft: x18 P-3 Orion ASW

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reminder that this was supposed to be the carrier that scared us. quite the opposite now.

>>33718965
Norway

>Army: 19,000 Active, 146,000 Reserve
-117 Tanks (80 Leopard 1, 37 M48A5 Patton)
-70 NM-116 Light Tanks (mod. M24 Chaffee)
-150 M113 APC
-100 NM-135 IFV (M113 w/ 20mm Gun)
-24 M113 TOW ATGM Vehicles
-126 M109 Self-Propelled Guns
-276 Towed Guns (228 M101 105mm, 48 M114 155mm)
-AAA: 146 (50 Rh.202 20mm, 96 L/70 40mm)
-SAM: 108 RBS-70 (some vehicle mounted)

>Air Force: 9,100 Active, 28,000 Reserve
- Fighters 72 (62 F-16, 20 F-5A/B)
-14 RF-5 Recon Aircraft
-3 Dassault Falcon 20 EW Aircraft
-7 P-3 Orion ASW Aircraft
-6 C-130 Transport Aircraft
-4 DHC-6 Light Transport Aircraft
-18 MFI-15 Trainers
-42 Helicopters (13 Bell 412, 5 Lynx, 9 Sea King, 15 UH-1)
-SAM Batteries: 9 (6 MIM-23, 3 Nike-Hercules)

>Navy: Active, 26,000 Reserve
-5 Oslo Class Frigates
-2 Sleipner Class Corvettes
-36 Missile Boats (14 Hauk, 16 Storem, 6 Snogg, all w/ Penguin AShM)
-Mine Warfare: 7 (5 Sauda, 1 Tana)
-Submarines: 12 (10 Kobben, 2 Ula)
-Coastal Artillery Guns: 53 (x3 C/28 150mm, x6 C/34 127mm, x8 120mm m/70, x36 m/57 75mm)

>Home Guard: 85,000 Reserve


UK will take a while and I gotta go so I'll be back in a few hours for that

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Not NATO but still postworthy

Finnish Draken and Fishbed flying along

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Going to finish with the Canadian stuff now.

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Canadians first using the Entac ATGM. Last of my Canadian stuff.

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Belgian infantry, not sure of the year. Only pic I currently have of the Belgians from the Cold War.

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Dumping some Bundeswehr stuff now. Have heard mixed things about the West German military regarding overall effectiveness.

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Always found it odd how the Bundeswehr looked in M1 helmets.

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Back before the G3 became the service rifle.

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Also, some Bundesgrenzschutz-West German Border Guards. These guys got Stalhelms for a bit.

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>>33720295
Guys in that last pic might not have been BGS. I sometimes get them and the Heer confused.

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Bundeswehr medics.

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I want to keep this thread alive so that I can save every damn image on my computer when I get home.

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>>33720446
I'll keep going for about another 45 minutes or so before I have to leave again. Also that image isn't quite Cold War, but still interesting. International peacekeepers in former Yugoslavia?
>>33720456

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Bundeswehr medics.

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>>33720559
Shit, didn't mean to put that in again.

>>33718952
Post all! france belgium denmark...

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Leo-1, not sure which variant

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Leo 2.

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Also wasn't aware that the BW made that much use of the Uzi.

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Just happened upon a trove of BW pictures from the Cold War and beyond here
http://military-database.de/1983-osterholz-scharmbeck-fahrzeugvielfalt/#!
Unfortunately this guys has basically copywritten all the pictures or something, I can't save them to post them here.

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Also found a handful of Belgian stuff.

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Going to leave off with a late Cold War BAOR pic. Will continue on later.

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And one more for the road.

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>>33720465

Yes it is. Russians and Americans working together, the most non-cold war thing I could have posted.

>>33720889
If you are using win7/8/10 you should have program called "snipping tool". It is handy tool to save """protected""" pictures

East German military vs West German military, no assistance from anyone else, who wins?

Britain
>Army: 153,000 Active, 264,000 Reserves (including 73,200 Territorial Army)
-Tanks: 1,330 (450 Challenger 1, 830 Chieftain)
-Light Tanks: 254 FV101 Scorpion
-APC: 3,300 (2,338 FV432, 435 FV103 Spartan, 527 Saxon)
-IFV: 350 Warrior
-Recce: 990 (290 FV107 Scimitar, 200 FV721 Fox, 500 Ferret)
-AT Vehicles: 120 (72 FV103 Milan, 48 FV102 Striker)
-Self-Propelled Guns: (200 FV433 Abbot 105mm, 111 M109 155mm, 37 M107 175mm, 16 M110 203mm)
-Towed Guns: 355 (212 L118 105mm, 51 Mod.56 105mm, 72 FH-70 155mm)
-MLRS: 17 M270
-SSM: 14 MGM-52 Lance Launchers
-Army AD: 120 Rapier SAMs including 50 Self-Propelled
-Helicopters: 159 SA-341 Light attack, 60 Westland Scout light attack, 43 Lynx AH-1/7/9 light attack, 75 Lynx, 4 A109
-Aircraft: 7 BN-2 Islander, 21 DHC-1 Trainers
-Landing Craft: 2 Ardennes, 9 Arromanches, 4 Avon

>Air Force: 90,000 Active, 41,000 Reserve
-Fighters: 476 (228 Tornado GR-1/F-2/3, 54 F-4J Phantom, 56 Harrier GR-3/5, 44 Jaguar, 30 Buccaneer, 84 Hawk Light Attack)
-Bombers: 16 Canberra
-Recon: 16 (6 Tornado, 10 Canberra)
-Electronic Warfare: 31 (12 Canberra, 3 Nimrod R1)
-Communications: 31 (12 HS-125, 16 Andover, 3 PA-31)
-AWACS: 10 Shackleton
-ASW: 30 Nimrod MR-2
-Transports: 88 (60 C-130, 13 VC-10, 3 TriStar, 10 HS-125, 2 BAE-146)
-Tankers: 18 (12 Victor, 6 TriStar)
-Trainers: 436 (60 Hawk, 30 HS-125, 164 Jet Provost, 116 Bulldog, 12 Jetstream, 54 Chipmunk)
-Helicopters: 169 (51 Wessex, 37 CH-47, 45 SA-330, 14 Sea King, 22 SA-341)
-RAF Regiment: 36 FV101 Scorpion LT, 90 Spartan APC, 80 Rapier SAM launchers, 12 Oerlikon 35mm AAA
-SAM Launchers: 64 Bloodhound

part 2 incoming

>>33722183
>Navy: 56,000 Active, 32,000 Reserve + 7,600 Marines
-Carriers: 3 (Invincible)
-Destroyers: 12 Type 42
-Frigates: 34 (14 Type 22, 6 Type 21, 14 Leander)
-Patrol: 23 (1 Endurance, 1 Sentinel, 2 Castle, 7 Jersey, 3 Peacock, 5 Kingfisher, 4 Manly)
-Mine Warfare: 38 (13 Brecon, 1 Sandown, 12 Waveney, 12 Ton)
-Amphibious: 22 (2 Fearless LPD, 1 Galahad LST, 4 Lancelot LST, 15 LCU)
-Submarines: 32 (4 Resolution SSBN, 6 Trafalgar SSN, 6 Swiftsure, SSN, 2 Valiant SSN, 3 Churchill SSN, 10 Oberon SSK, 1 Upholder SSK)
-Naval Aviation (Fighter): 71 (45 Sea Harrier, 26 Hunter)
-Naval Aviation (Recon): 2 Canberra
-Naval Aviation (Transport): 2 HS-12, 11 Falcon 20
-Trainers: 19 Jetstream, 14 Chipmunk
-Helicopters: 219 (120 Sea King, 77 Lynx, 22 SA-341 Trainers)

>>33721636
West Germany, fairly easily. Much larger, much more well equipped, taught real initiative as opposed to just being treated as Soviet cannon fodder

France:
>Army: 288,000 Active, 325,000 Reserve
-Tanks: 1,340 AMX-30
-Light Tanks: 153 AMX-13
-APC: 4,131 (3,840 VAB, 291 VTT)
-IFV: 817 AMX-10P
-Recce: 1,055 (238 AMX-10RC, 177 ERC-90, 640 AML)
-AT Vehicles: 135 VAB HOT
-Self-Propelled Guns: 377 (213 GCT 155mm, 140 Mk.F3 155mm, 24 AU-50 105mm)
-Towed Guns: 394 (20 TR-F1 155mm, 202 Modele-50 155mm, 172 HM-2 105mm)
-MLRS: 12 M270
-SSM: 40 Pluton Launchers
-Army SAMs: 250 (69 MIM-23 Hawk & 181 Roland Launchers)
-Army AAA: 1,259 (69 AMX-13 DCA 30mm SP, 100 53T1 20mm, 700 53T2 20mm, 390 30mm)
-Helicopters: 682 (242 SA-341/342 Light Attack, 14 AS-332, 136 SA-330, 135 SA-313/318, 59 SA-316/319, 96 SA-341/342)
-Aircraft: 14 (2 O-1 Bird dog, 2 Cessna 406, 10 MH.1521 Trainers)

>Air Force: 93,000 Active, 70,000 Reserve
-Fighters: 446 (125 Mirage 2000, 82 Mirage III, 32 Mirage V, 118 Mirage F1, 89 Jaguar)
-Bombers: 18 Mirage IV
-Recon: 48 Mirage F1, 2 Mirage IV
-Electronic Warfare: 3(1 DC-8, 2 C-160)
-Communications: 4 C-160
-Transports: 118 (10 C-130, 70 C-160, 24 N-262, 10 DHC-6, 4 EMB-121)
-VIP Transports: 18 (15 Falcon 20, 2 Falcon 50, 1 Falcon 900)
-Tankers: 11 C-135
-Trainers: 357 (107 Alpha Jet, 21 EMB-121, 140 TB-30, 57 CAP-10, 27 MS-760, 5 C-212)

part 2 incoming

>French Navy: 65,000 Active, 24,000 Reserve
-Carriers: 2 (Clemenceau)
-Cruiser: 2 (1 Jeanne d’Arc Helicopter Cruiser, 1 Colbert)
-Destroyers: 7 (2 Cassard 2 Suffren, 1 T-47, 1 T-53, 1 Aconit)
-Frigates: 16 (7 Georges Leygues, 3 Tourville, 6 Commandant Riviere)
-Corvettes: 17 D’Estienne d’Orves
-Patrol: 24 (1 Albatros, 10 L’Audacieuse, 8 Leopard, 1 Sterne, 1 Grebe, 1 Mercure, 2 Athos)
-Mine Warfare: 19 (10 Eridan, 5 Circe, 3 Aggressive, 1 Sirius)
-Amphibious: 37 (1 Foudre LPD, 2 Ouragan LPD, 1 Bouganville LST, 5 BATRAL LST, 20 LCM, 8 LCT)
-Submarines: 20 (5 Redoutable SSBN, 1 L’Inflexible SSBN, 4 Rubis SSN, 4 Agosta SSK, 6 Daphne SSK)
-Naval Aviation (Fighter): 46 (8 F-8 Crusader, 38 Super Etendard)
-Naval Aviation (Recon/ASW): (19 Alize, 8 Etendard-IV, 28 Atlantic)
-Naval Aviation (Transport): 4 EMB-121, 10 PA-31, 3 Nord-262, 12 Rallye 880, 8 CAP-10, 2 Falcon 10)
-Trainers: 58 (10 Etendard-IV, 17 Zephyr, 12 Nord-262, 2 PA-31, 4 Rallye 880, 9 ms-760, 4 Falcon-10)
-Helicopters: 97 (36 Lynx, 17 SA-321, 22 SA-319, 12 SA-313 Training, 10 SA-316 Training)

>>33722224
Forgot the French Gendarmerie.
>ManpoweR: 92,000
>Vehicles: 121 AML, 28 VBC-90, 33 AMX-VTT, 155 VBRG-170)
>Helicopters: 3 SA-316, 9 SA-319, 29 AS-350
>Aircraft: 6 Cessna 206
>Patrol Boats: 15 Misc.

>>33722247
>>33722224
>>33722207
>>33722196
>>33722183
no one fucking cares
its an image board
post cool pictures or fuck yourself

>>33720618

Belgium
>Army: 69,000 Active, 100,000 Reserve
-Tanks: 334 Leopard 1
-Light Tanks: 157 (133 FV101 Scorpion, 24 M41)
-APC: 1,421 (525 M113, 266 FV103 Spartan, 510 AMX-VCI, 43 BDX, 77 M-75)
-IFV: 514 M113 AIFV
-Recce: 153 FV107 Scimitar
-AT Vehicles: 123 (80 Kanonenjagdpanzer, 43 FV102 Striker)
-Self-Propelled Guns: (28 M108 105mm, 168 M109 155mm, 11 M110 203mm)
-Towed Guns: 21 M101 105mm
-SSM: 5 MGM-52 Lance Launchers
-Army SAMs: 39 MIM-23 Hawk Launchers
-Army AAA: 190 (54 Gepard 35mm SP, 36 HS-804 20mm, 100 M167 20mm)
-Helicopters: 51 SA-313/318
-Aircraft: 10 BN-2 Islander

>Air Force: 19,000 Active, 19,000 Reserve
-Fighters: 126 (108 F-16, 18 Mirage V)
-Recon: 18 Mirage V
-Transport: 12 C-130, 2 Boeing 727, 3 HS-748, 18 CM-170
-Trainers: 28 SF.270, 31 Alpha Jet
-Helicopters: 5 Sea King

>Navy: 4,500 Active, 4,300 Reserve
-Frigates: 4 Wielingen
-Mine Warfare: 22 (6 Aggressive, 10 Tripartite, 2 Adjutant, 4 Herstal)
-Helicopters: 3 SA-318

>Gendarmerie: 17,000 w/ 80 BDX APC, 5 SA-313 & 3 SA-330 Helicopters

>>33722319
Shut up you nerd

>>33722247
>>33722196

This is quality stuff. Thanks so much for posting it. These are all from the same rough period, yeah?

>>33720618
Denmark:
>Army: 18,000 Active, 54,000 Reserves
-Tanks: 446 (230 Leopard 1, 216 Centurion)
-Light Tanks: 53 M41
-APC: 595 M113
-Self-Propelled Guns: 76 M109
-Towed Guns: 317 (184 M101 105mm, 24 M59 155mm, 97 M114 155mm, 12 M115 203mm)
-AAA: 36 L/60 40mm
-Helicopters: 26 (14 MD-500, 12 AS-550)
-Aircraft: 8 Saab T-17

>Air Force: 6,500 Active, 12,800 Reserve
-Fighters: 79 (63 F-16, 16 Saab 35)
-Recon: 18 Saab 35
-Transport: 3 C-130, 3 Gulfstream-III, 6 Safari
-Trainers: 23 Safari
-Helicopters: 8 Sea King

>Navy: 5,000 Active, 6,000 Reserve
-Frigates: 3 Niels Juel
-Missile Boats: 10 Willemoes
-Patrol Boats: 12 (1 Beskytteren, 3 Hvidbjernen, 1 Thetis, 4 Stanflex-300, 3 Agdlek)
-Mine Warfare: 9 (4 Falster, 2 Lindormen, 3 Aslssund)
-Submarines: 4 (2 Kobbens, 2 Narhvalen)
-Helicopters: 8 Lynx
-Coastal Defense: 12 C/28 150mm Guns, 6 Harpoon AShM Launchers, 12 L/60 40mm AAA

>Home Guard: 70,000 Reserve with 37 Patrol Boats

>>33722359
Yes, 1988-1989

Bumping for more.

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>>33720298
that's BGS(sleeve patch, jacket style

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I'm back bitches. Unfortunately I'm about to go to sleep, so I'm going to post some random stuff before then. First two pics are from Denmark.

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Late Cold War Denmark.

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>>33724970
Or maybe mid Cold War. I'm too drunk to o remember.

Norwegian Home Guard

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Norwegian Leos.

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Norwegian Reservists.

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Got one pic of the Austrian Bundesheer.

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got some pics pf the east german border.

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>>33725198

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>>33725214
got some other stuff as well.

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>>33725240

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>>33725240
This looks a lot like WW2 and not the Cold War.

>>33720824
Standard for all tankers.

>>33724970
Thats the national Guard. You can se the HJV patch on the left guy

>>33725343
what a bunch of cucks
considering that germany had much better machine pistols

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>>33725246

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>>33725423

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>>33725434

bump for great interest

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>>33725436

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>>33725501

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>>33725436
Is that a image for Soviet ants and bees?

Atleast post one for dwarfs.

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>>33725509

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>>33725515
fulda gap!

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>>33725523
russian soldier in afghanistan with an m16

>>33725515
>>33725511
>>33725509
>>33725501
I was under the impression this was a NATO thread, not that I'm overly complaining.

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>>33725528
>I was under the impression this was a NATO thread, not that I'm overly complaining.
They crossed Fulda Gap and are coming in full force.

>>33725555
dunno why fulda gap is always brought up as the point of soviet attack
it is just a bulge in the border but ringed by high ground and rivers so it would have been more difficult to attack her than say up north

>>33725555
>Sergeant Potter preparing his plan to fight the evil Lord SACEUR

>>33719338
I fucking love the Rainbow Codes. Nothing screams professionalism like a nuclear weapon called Green Cheese.

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>>33722183
>>33722196

>Those glorious numbers

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>>33718637
Cold War threads are great. Have an M551 on manuvers with some infantry.

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luxembourg army officer speaking with american soldiers during a military exercise in 1982

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52nd Fighter Wing F-4G and F-16.

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>>33725886
top tier aesthetics

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We used Merc G Wagons for a while

>>33726094
>wild flocks of gepards and leopards vie for breeding grounds in shitzelund holstein

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OP here, will post a few things to bump the thread before coming back with more in a few hours. First, another West German Leo 1

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Some REFORGER stuff.

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>>33725462
airborne regiment 84mm fuck yeah!

>>33724973
Those outfits are some of the greatest militia kits I've ever seen.

>>33725423
What machine gun is that?

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>>33722319

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BGS got those low key Wehrmacht aesthetics

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>>33728095

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>>33728102

>>33721001
British 80s aesthetic is GOAT

>>33728151
Even in the 70's-80's, Americucks were manlets

fucking kek

>>33722435
Do you have USSR stuff?

>>33728631
Yes, I'll post it when I get back am mobile atm

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Pretty much any country's 80s aesthetic is GOAT.

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OP here, going to continue with some assorted REFORGER stuff

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M60A3 looking at another Patton through its thermals.

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More Pattons. While I do find the design to be quite aesthetically pleasing and have heard former tankers praise it, I'm guessing they would've had a really bad time having to take on hordes of T-80/72/64s.

>>33730344
Only if they didn't have any M774s and M833s on board.

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>>33730433
I thought the Soviets specifically added an extra bit of armor to the T-72B to deal with those rounds. Would those have had a standing chance of putting a hole in Cat A Soviet Tanks?
>>33730424

>>33730518
M111 that the Israelis used had lower penetration than the M774, and the M883 was substantially more powerful than the M774.

>>33720654
Looks like a Leopard 1A5

>>33730794
You sneaky guy you, taking the last image slot like that.

No worries, I'm going to try and trawl around the interwebz to find more NATO stuff from this period and start another thread.
>>33730775
How would that hold up against things like 1st gen ERA? Got any specs/tables for those rounds?

>>33720654
A1

>>33730681
My mother back in the day worked in the company that made the Bradley fighting vehicle. She worked on electronics and stuff if I remember correctly

>>33718952
When I look at our Bundeswehr now...

>>33718920
>why is it destroying that cabbage
slav detected

>>33730929
What did she have to say about the job and Bradleys?

>>33730812
Against Kontakt 1? They'd be perfectly fine. Kontakt 1 was purely for HEAT defense, it added roughly LOS armor against sabot. Kontakt-5 was the first move to heavy ERA.

>>33722319
>>33722319
>its an image boardpost cool pictures or fuck yourself


I was enjoying the anons posts.

Be quiet

>>33725580
>dunno why fulda gap is always brought up as the point of soviet attack
It was the US's responsibility. Given the American cultural grip on the world, the Fulda Gap is what is commonly mentioned.

>>33722319
Fuck off, high quality posts like that are more welcome than pointless imagespam.

>>33728631
Here’s the USSR’s military strength 1989 as requested. It’s a biggie.

In 1989 defense spending was (in 2017 $) officially $241.59 Billion, but was probably about 30% higher ($313.59 Billion. This wasbetween 13-15% of Soviet GDP and around 30-40% of the USSR’s state budget

As for individual arms of service strength, the USSR had a massive standing force with an equally massive reserve pool. Officially, they could call up some 55 million registered reservists in 1989, though only about 5.6 million of these are considered to have been given any relevant recent training or have any equipment allotted to them

>Ground Forces: ~1,900,000 including
-Tanks: 55,700 (4,000 T-80, 10,000 T-72, 9,700 T-64, 12,000 T-62, 20,000 T-54/55)
-Light Tanks: ~1,000 PT-76
-APC: ~54,500 (50,000 BTR-50/60/70/80, 4,500 MT-LB)
-IFV: ~28,700 (~28,000 BMP-1/2, 700 BMD-1/2)
-Recce: ~5,000 (~3,500 BRDM-2, ~1,500 BRDM-1)
-Self-Propelled Guns: 7,255 (784 2S9 120mm, 2,751 2S1 122mm, 2,325 2S3 152mm, 507 2S5 152mm, 108 Dana 152mm, 350 2S7 203mm, 430 2S4 240mm)
-Towed Guns: ~15,900 (500 D-44 85mm, 500 BS-3 100mm, 3,000 T-12 100mm, 3,000 D-30 122mm, 1,200 M-30 122mm, 800 D-74 122mm, 1,200 M-46 130mm, 1,000 ML-20 152mm, 900 D-1 152mm, 1,700 D-20 152mm, 1,000 2A36 152mm, 600 2A65 152mm, 478 B-4 203mm)
-MLRS: ~5,000 (3,300 BM-21 122mm, 570 BM-14 140mm, 30 TOS-1 220mm, 818 BM-27 220mm, 120 BM-24 240mm, 123 BM-30 300mm)
-SSM Launchers: ~1,900 (650 FROG-7, 660 Scud-B/C, 300 SS-21, 100 SS-23, ~200 SS-22 being dismantled)
-SAM Launchers: ~4,950 (1,350 SA-4, 850 SA-6, 950 SA-8, 430 SA-9, 300 SA-11, 50 SA-12, 860 SA-13, 20 SA-15, 130 SA-19)
-AAA: ~12,000 (3,300 ZSU-23-4 23mm , 1,000 ZSU-57-2 57mm, ZPU 14.5mm, ZU-23-2 23mm, 61-K 37mm, S-60 57mm, 52-K 85mm, KS-19 100mm, KS-30 130mm)
-Helicopters: 4,440 (1,420 Mi-24, 630 Mi-8/17 armed, 1,000 Mi-8 unarmed, 280 Mi-8 EW, 600 Mi-2, 450 Mi-6, 50 Mi-26, 10 Mi-10)

>>33731413
>Airborne Troops (VDV): ~70,000
-2,500 BMD-1/2 IFVs
-700 BTR-D APCs
-162 BRDM-2 AFVs
-220 ASU-85 Assault Guns
-210 D-30 122mm Howitzers
-130 ZU-23-2 23mm AAA

>Strategic Rocket Forces: ~300,000
-ICBM: 1,376 (170 Topol, 58 RT-23, 320 UR-100N, 308 R-36M, 110 UR-100MR, 60 RT-2, 350 UR-100)
-MRBM/IRBM: 402 (252 RSD-10, 150 R-12)
-LACM: ~100 RK-55
-Security Vehicles: ~1,700 BTR-60/70/80/BRDM-2
-Helicopters: 140 Mi-8

>>33731428
>Frontal Air Force: ~450,000
-Fighters: 1,570 (540 MiG-29, 90 Su-27, 700 MiG-23, 200 MiG-31, 40 MiG-25)
-Attack: 2,105 (630 Su-24, 500 MiG-27, 340 Su-25, 535 Su-22, 100 Su-7)
-Bombers: 435 (15 Tu-160, 160 Tu-95, 30 M-4, 30 Tu-22M, 120 Tu-22, 80 Tu-16)
-Recon: 805 (225 Su-24, 170 MiG-25, 190 Su-22, 150 Yak-28, 40 Tu-16, 30 Tu-22M)
-EW: 220 (10 Su-24, 50 Yak-28, 90 Tu-16, 10 Il-20, 60 Mi-8)
-Transport: 1,485 (30 An-14, 150 An-12, 40 An-72, 50 An-32, 600 An-24, 550 An-24, 65 L-410)
-Strategic Transport: 520 (435 Il-76, 55 An-22, 30 An-124)
-Tankers: 69 (30 M-4, 9 Tu-16, 30 Il-78)
-VIP Transport: ~1,700 primarily MoD/Aeroflot aircraft (Yak-40, Yak-42, Tu-134, Tu-124, Tu-154, An-12, An-24, An-26, Il-14, Il-18, Il-62, Il-86)
-Trainers: ~2,000 (~1,500 L-29/39, ~500 Yak-18/50/52)

>Air Defense Force: ~500,000
-Interceptors: 2,400 (210 Su-27, 360 MiG-31, 350 MiG-25, 830 MiG-23, 500 Su-15, 90 Yak-28, 60 Tu-128)
-SAM Batteries: 1,110 (400 SA-2, 300 SA-3, 130 SA-5, 280 SA-10)
-ABM Batteries: 4 ABM-1 Galosh (all around Moscow)
-AAA: ~5,000 61-k 37mm, S-60 57mm, 52-K 85mm, KS-19 100mm, KS-30 130mm in reserve

>>33731434
>Navy: ~432,000
-Carriers: 4 Kiev
-Helicopters Carriers: 2 Moskva
-Cruisers: 34 (3 Kirov, 3 Slava, 7 Kara, 10 Kresta-II, 4 Kresta-I, 4 Kynda, 3 Sverdlov)
-Destroyers: 45 (12 Sovremennyy, 11 Udaloy, 19 Kashin, 3 Kanin)
-Frigates: 31 Krivak
-Corvettes: 116 (1 Koni, 15 Riga, 53 Grishia, 12 Parchim, 13 Mirka, 22 Petya)
-Missile Boats: 153 (34 Tarantul, 36 Nanuchka, 70 Osa, 1 Sarancha, 12 Matka)
-Torpedo Boats: 33 (30 Turya, 3 Shershen)
-ASW Boats: 50 (10 Pauk, 40 Poti)
-Gunboats: 8 (7 SO-1, 1 Slepen)
-River Boats: 117 (21 Yaz, 10 Piyavka, 1 SSV-10, 80 Shmel, 5 Vosh)
-Mine Warfare: 238 (1 Gorya, 35 Natya, 29 T-43, 45 Yurka, 2 Andryusha, 70 Sonya, 3 Zenya, 53 Vanya)
-Amphibious Ships: 89 (2 Ivan Rogov LSD, 24 Ropucha LST, 14 Alligator LST, 36 Polnochny LSM, 10 Vydra LCU, 3 SMB-1 LCU)
-Hovercraft: 84 (4 Zubr, 20 Aist, 6 Tsaplya, 20 Lebed, 2 Utenok, 30 Gus, 2 Orlan WIG)
-SSBN: 61 (5 Typhoon, 5 Delta-IV, 14 Delta-III, 4 Delta-II, 18 Delta-I, 13 Yankee, 2 Hotel)
-SSB: 2 Golf
-SSGN: 51 (5 Oscar, 17 Charlie, 26 Echo, 3 Yankee)
-SSG: 14 Juliet
-SSN: 83 (4 Akula, 2 Sierra, 5 Alfa, 48 Victor, 4 November, 4 Echo, 5 Hotel, 14 Yankee)
-SSK: 89 (15 Kilo, 18 Tango, 40 Foxtrot, 16 Whiskey)

>>33731444
*Naval Aviation
-Fighters/Attack: 381 (80 Yak-38, 101 Su-24, 150 Su-22, 20 Su-7, 30 Su-25)
-Bombers: 330 (145 Tu-16, 160 Tu-22M, 25 Tu-22)
-ASW: 244 (57 Tu-142, 40 Il-38, 92 Be-12)
-Recon: 85 (20 Tu-95, 50 Tu-16, 15 An-12)
-EW: 90 (55 Tu-16, 3 Tu-22, 12 Su-24, 20 Ka-27)
-Utility/Transport: 81 (25 An-12, 40 An-24, 10 An-26, 6 Il-14)
-Tankers: 36 Tu-16
-Helicopters: 389 (113 Ka-25, 106 Ka-27, 120 Mi-14, 10 Mi-6, 40 Mi-8)
-Trainers: 50 L-29/39, 30 Yak-52


*Naval Infantry: ~14,000
-Tanks: 240 T-54/55
-Light Tanks: 150 PT-76
-APC: 2,000 (1,600 BTR-60/70/80, 400 MT-LB)
-IFV: 150 BMP-1
-Recce: 30 BRDM-2
-Self-Propelled Guns: 210 (120 2S9 120mm, 90 2S1 122mm)
-Towed Guns: 144 D-30 122mm
-MLRS: 90 BM-21 122mm
-SAM: 45 (10 SA-8, 10 SA-9, 25 SA-13)
-AAA: 100 (60 ZSU-23-4 23mm SP, 40 ZU-23-2 23mm)

*Coastal Defense:
-AShM Launchers: 40 SSC-1/SSC-3/SSC-4
-Self-Propelled Guns: 48 2S5 152mm
-Guns: 608 (144 D-20 152mm, 96 2A36 152mm, 140 SM-4-1 130mm, 216 D-30 122mm, 12 BS-3 100mm)
-MLRS: 120 BM-21 122mm
-Tanks: 810 T-80
-APC: 950 (160 BTR-60, 790 MT-LB)
-IFV: 640 BMP-1
-Recce: 34 BRDM-2
-AAA: 170 ZU-23-2 23mm

>>33731456
>KGB Border Guard: ~230,000
-Tanks: 30 T-80
-APC: 2,000 BTR-60/70/80
-IFV: 200 BMP-1
-Recce: 90 BRDM-2
-Towed Guns: (140 T-12 100mm, 90 D-30 122mm)
-Self-Propelled Guns: 50 (30 2S1 122mm, 20 2S9 120mm)
-Offshore Patrol Boats: 26 (6 Krivak, 12 Grisha, 8 T-58)
-Coastal Patrol Boats: 40 (24 Pauk, 4 Svetlyak, 12 T-43)
-Inshore Patrol Boats: 175 (110 Stenka, 15 Muravey, 30 Zhuk, 20 SO-1)
-River Patrol Boats: 39 (21 Yaz, 10 Piyavka, 8 Vosh)

>MVD Internal Troops: ~250,000 Active, ~100,000 Reserve
-APC: 1,200 BTR-60/70/80/BRDM-2
-Towed Guns: 20 D-30 122mm
-AAA: ~200 ZU-23-2 23mm

>Civil Defense Troops: ~150,000
>Rear Services: ~490,000
>KGB Security Troops: ~89,000

What about the Netherlands? I need my YPR-765s.

>>33731478
When I get home tonight I'll look around for Netherlands stuff. I tend to be more successful with looking for Cold War stuff on old forum posts and non-English websites, though navigating the latter is a pain.

>>33731521
Do we have the USA too? Thanks, anon!

>>33731478
I'll give Netherlands and US

>>33731521 This is a different anon who has HQ pictures

>>33731533
>>33731552
Shit my bad, I'm not Autisit anon with the data dumps. I'm pic guy. I'm a bit drunk right now so my reading comprehension is suffering.

>>33731478
Netherlands
>Army: 63,000 Active, 135,000 Reserve
-Tanks: 913 (445 Leopard 2, 468 Leopard 1A4)
-APC: 1,614 (484 M113, 1,130 YPR-765)
-IFV: 708 YPR-765 25mm
-AT Vehicles: 326 YPR-765 TOW
-Self-Propelled Guns: 298 (222 M109 155mm, 76 M110 203mm)
-Towed Guns: 183 (42 M101 105mm, 141 M114 155mm)
-MLRS: 22 M270
-SSM Launchers: 7 MGM-52 Lance
-AAA: 226 (95 Gepard 35mm SP, 131 L/70 40mm)
-Helicopters: 93 (64 SA-316, 29 Bo.105)

>Air Force: 17,400 Active, 11,200 Reserve
-Fighters: 211 (174 F-16, 37 CF-5)
-Recon: 23 CF-5
-Transport: 14 F-27
-Helicopters: 4 SA-316
-SAM Batteries: 12 (8 MIM-23 Hawk, 4 MIM-104 Patriot)
-AAA: 75 L/70 40mm

>Navy: 16,500 Active, 9,400 Reserve
-Frigates: 14 (2 Tromp, 2 Van Heemskerck, 10 Kortenaer)
-Mine Warfare: 26 (15 Alkmaar, 11 Dokkum)
-Submarines: 4 ( 2 Zwaardvis, 2 Dolfijn)
-Naval Aviation: 13 P-3 ASW, 3 F-27 SAR, 22 Lynx Helicopters

>Paramilitary:
-Gendarmerie: 4,700
-Civil Defense: 18,500 Reserve

>>33730957
she said the job was pretty good but the Bradley was cramped and hot and she got carsickness

>>33731533
Here’s US. Another biggie. Defense spending in 1989 was $558 Billion in 2017 dollars, constituting 5.6% of GDP

>US Army: 761,000 Active, 455,000 National Guard, 588,400 Army Reserve
-Tanks: 15,440 (6,440 M1A1 Abrams, 5,328 M60A3, 2,659 M60A1, 1013 M48A5)
-Light Tanks: 1,334 M551 Sheridan
-APC: 19,000 M113/M577
-IFV: 5,000 M2 Bradley
-AT Vehicles: 2,662 M901
-Self-Propelled Guns: 3,466 (2,437 M109, 1,029 M110)
-Towed Guns: 2,259 (542 M101 105mm, 514 M102 105mm, 92 M119 105mm, 526 M114 155mm, 585 M198 155mm)
-MLRS: 373 M270
-SSM Launchers: 164 (99 MGM-31 Pershing-II IRBMs, 65 MGM-52 Lance SRBMs)
-SAM Launchers: 1,186 (51 M1097 Avenger, 432 MIM-72 Chaparral, 400 MIM-23 Hawk, 303 MIM-104 Patriot)
-Army AAA: 598 (378 M163 VADS 20mm SP, 220 M167 20mm Towed)
-Attack Helicopters: 1,612 (535 AH-64A, 1,041 AH-1S, 36 AH-6)
-Scout Helicopters: 2,157 (340 OH-6, 1,817 OH-58)
-Transport Helicopters: 4,558 (3,212 UH-1, 974 UH-60, 372 CH-47)
-EW Helicopters: 88 (20 EH-1, 66 EH-60)
-Recon Aircraft: 179 (111 OV-1, 51 RC-12, 17 L-39 Seminole)
-Transport Aircraft: 362 (119 C-12, 10 C-23, 117 King Air, 35 Cessna 310, 49 L-23 Seminole, 15 DHC-4, 6 DHC-2, 6 DHC-6, 5 Helio Courier)
-Trainer Aircraft: 129 (105 T-41, 24 Beechcraft Baron)
-Amphibious: 150 (4 Frank Besson LST, 20 Runnymede LSM, 126 LCM-8)

>>33732517
>US Air Force: 571,000 Active, 116,000 Air National Guard, 136,300 Reserve
-Fighters: 2,318 (1,251 F-16, 827 F-15, 240 F-4D/E)
-Attack/Strike: 1,033 (36 F-117, 291 A-10, 272 A-7, 99 F-4G, 238 F-111, 77 F-15E, 20 AC-130)
-Bombers: 277 (187 B-52, 90 B-1)
-Recon: 428 (18 RC-135, 19 SR-71, 54 OA-10, 44 OA-37, 46 OV-10, 201 RF-4, 41 U-2, 5 WC-135)
-EW: 35 EF-111
-AWACS: 31 E-3
-C&C: 48 (4 E-4, 2 E-8, 4 EC-18, 38 EC-135)
-Transport: 647 (520 C-130, 23 C-9, 86 C-12, 18 C-23)
-Strategic Transport: 360 (110 C-5, 250 C-141)
-VIP Transport: 123 (12 C-135, 7 VC-137, 3 VC-9, 82 Learjet-35, 13 Gulfstream-III, 5 Boeing 727, 1 Sabreliner, 2)
-Tankers: 648 (591 KC-135, 57 KC-10)
-Trainers: 1,544 (608 T-37, 811 T-38, 4 T-39, 100 T-41, 19 T-43, 2 DHC-6)
-Helicopters: 196 (44 HH-3, 33 MH-53, 89 UH-1, 30 MH-60)
-ICBMs: 1,000 (450 Minuteman-II, 500 Minuteman-III, 50 Peacekeeper)
-LACM: 187 BGM-109G

>>33732524
>US Navy: 590,000 Active, 238,000 Reserve
-Carriers: 15 (4 Nimitz, 1 Enterprise, 2 Kitty Hawk, 1 Kennedy, 4 Forrestal, 3 Midway)
-Battleships: 4 Iowa
-Cruisers: 40 (13 Ticonderoga, 4 Virginia, 2 California, 9 Belknap, 9 Leahy, 1 Truxtun, 1 Long Beach, 1 Bainbridge)
-Destroyers: 59 (4 Kidd, 31 Spruance, 8 Farragut, 16 Charles F. Adams)
-Frigates: 100 (51 Perry, 46 Knox, 2 Bronstein, 1 Garcia)
-Missile Boats: 6 Pegasus
-Mine Warfare: 29 (6 Avenger, 18 Aggressive, 5 MSB-15)
-Amphibious Assault Ships: 13 (1 Wasp, 5 Tarawa, 7 Iwo Jima)
-Amphibious Landing Ships: 45 (11 Austin, 2 Raleigh, 6 Whidbey Island, 5 Anchorage, 1 Thomaston, 20 Newport)
-Landing Craft: 74 (21 LCAC, 53 LCU-1610)
-SSBN: 35 (9 Ohio, 12 Benjamin Franklin, 8 James Madison, 6 Lafayette)
-SSGN: 13 Modified Los Angeles
-SSN: 83 (31 Los Angeles, 37 Sturgeon, 12 Permit, 1 Narwhal, 2 Houston)
-SSK: 1 Barbel

*Naval Aviation
-Fighters: 1,084 (366 F-14, 365 F/A-18, 114 A-7, 239 A-6)
-Recon: 10 EA-3, 19 EP-3)
-EW: 84 EA-6
-AWACS: 78 E-2
-ASW: 470 (340 P-3, 130 S-3)
-Transport: 213 (53 C-2, 26 C-130, 18 Sabreliner, 29 C-9, 87 C-12)
-Tankers: 69 (67 KA-6, 2 KA-3)
-Trainers: 1,040 (168 T-28, 310 T-34, 46 King Air, 15 Citation II, 26 F-16, 40 F-5, 426 TA-4, 10 E-2)
-Helicopters: 477 (122 SH-60, 114 SH-2, 102 SH-3, 88 CH-46, 45 CH-53, 6 UH-1)

>>33732533
>US Marine Corps: 195,000 Active, 80,100 Reserve
-Tanks: 716 M60A3 Patton
-APC: 1,323 AAV-7
-IFV: 654 LAV-25
-AT Vehicles: 96 LAV AT
-Self-Propelled Guns: 251 (143 M109, 108 M110)
-Towed Guns: 803 (335 M101 105mm, 468 M198 155mm)
-Fighters: 471 (204 F/A-18, 143 AV-8, 24 F-4, 60 A-4, 40 A-6)
-Recon Aircraft: 56 (8 RF-4, 48 OV-10)
-EW Aircraft: 22 EA-6
-Trainer Aircraft: 31 (18 TAV-8, 13 F-5)
-Transports: 15 (12 C-12, 2 C-9, 1 Sabreliner)
-Tankers: 40 KC-130
-Attack Helicopters: 108 AH-1
-Transport Helicopters: 470 (104 UH-1, 204 CH-46, 162 CH-53)
-VIP Helicopters: 27 (18 VH-3, 9 VH-60)

>US Coast Guard: 38,000 Active, 18,100 Reserve
-Offshore Patrol: 59 (12 Hamilton, 13 Bear, 16 Reliance, 18 Misc.)
-Inshore Patrol: 196 (37 Farallon, 13 Cape Higgon, 3 Sea Hawk, 53 Point Hope)
-Aircraft: 78 (4 E-2, 41 HU-25, 31 HC-130, 2 Gulfstream-II)

You can never forget the coast guard

>>33732517

Are these the total US numbers, or just the US numbers that weren't in Europe at the time?

>>33732517
hey i was in this total, love that nostalgia.

>>33732648
That's appears like total.

>>33730764
does the newer generation m109's still have to use a collimator?

>>33732648
It's total. I did Europe only earlier in the thread

>>33719492

>>33719174

To quote an old ex-IC professor of mine, for most of the Cold War, our definition of a tactical nuclear weapon was "one which lands in Germany"

>>33731413
>tfw we'll only ever get rounded estimates for soviet equipment, but have precise numbers for western stuff

always makes me sad

Western forces in Berlin at the time of the fall of the Wall

>US: 6,000 Troops
-22 M60A3 Tanks
-74 M113 APCs
-8 M109 155mm SPH
-48 M901 ATGM Vehicles
-24 M125 81mm Mortar Carriers
-18 M106 107mm Mortar Carriers
-6 UH-1 Helicopters

>UK: 3,100 Troops
-18 Chieftain Tanks
-48 FV432 APCs
-32 Fox Armored Cars
-24 Wombat RR Vehicles
-4 FV103 MILAN ATGM Vehicles
-3 SA-341 Gazelle Helicopters

>France
-x32 AMX-30 Tanks
-x56 VAB APCs
-x12 ERC-90 Scout Cars

These would have directly faced the Soviet 3rd Shock Army and 20th Guards Army with supporting air units, which consisted of:

-71,600 Troops including a ~1,000 strong Spetsnaz GRU unit
-2,068 Tanks (about 70% T-80s, the rest T-64s/T-72s)
-1,119 BMP IFVs
-336 BTR APCs
-134 BRDM-2 Scout cars
-9 BRDM-2 ATGM Vehicles
-24 2S1 122mm SPG’s
-336 2S3 152mm SPG’s
-36 D-30 122mm Howitzers
-12 T-12 100mm AT Guns
-144 BM-21 122mm MLRS
-50 SA-6/11 & 90 SA-8/13 SAM Vehicles
-32 SS-21 SRBMs
-42 Mi-24 Attack Helicopters
-62 Mi-2 & 74 Mi-8 Helicopters
-45 MiG-29 & 90 MiG-23 Fighters
-45 Su-22 Fighter-Bombers
-45 Su-25 Attack Fighters

Interestingly enough It's unlikely that East Germany would have taken part in a direct assault on West Berlin due to fears of soldiers discovering how much better it was. This fear by the Soviets would be alleviated in a general war in the rest of Western Europe due to mass nuclear saturation "negating" the differences in development. In West Berlin, the Soviets did not plan to nuke the city due to its proximity to the East German capital.

>>33718971
No! Kraut is for Aryans! Yanks, Limeys, and Soviets get off German Clay! REEEEEEEEEE

>>33734086
Huh. Probably over 10,000 NATO troops in Berlin. Can't say I thought it was that high. Seems almost like a waste of good manpower.

Does anyone else have a hardon of this entire thread?!?

>>33734562
yes, I do

>>33726902
M60 was the best looking tank ever, no debate.

>>33734086
>Interestingly enough It's unlikely that East Germany would have taken part in a direct assault on West Berlin due to fears of soldiers discovering how much better it was.
I doubt that would even factor in the individual E.German Volksturm's consideration. Your average Soviet peasant had no problems attacking through the developed part of Germany after all. Soldiers aren't really fighting for better living conditions, or anything material, but the state.

>>33718657
>hull-down
>google that shit

Shiet, I learned something today. Goddamnit.

>>33737535
>he didn't know about hull down positions
underage pls go

Seriously though, a hide position should allow for several things. First, a hull down position, so you can fire at the enemy while having most of your tank behind cover. Second, a turret down position, so your commander standing in his cupola can peek up over the top while most of your tank is behind cover. Then you've got a hide position, where everything is behind cover. I'd post an image, but the image limit has been reached, so I'll just link two.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/army/accp/in0769/image758.gif
This illustrates what I described above visually.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/army/fm/3-21-71/fig5-36.gif
This one shows an "ideal" prepared fighting position.

Not letting this die just yet.

>>33719006
It's just a MiG bro