Most widely produced cartridge

>>33714556
>.22LR

>>33714556
8mm mauser

>>33714560
Fuck, didn't think of that

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>>33714560
Yup.

>>33714556
12 gauge?

7.62x39, the most produced rifle in the world need food to run on.

>>33714560
How many other countries use 22lr?

>>33714556
What about in terms of victim numbers

>>33714560
What guns even use .22LR

>>33714578
.303 british

>>33714582
Long Rifles

>>33714575
Literally all of them

>>33714573
This is probably a very close second. Even in countries where "guns are banned" there are shot tons of hunters that use over under shotguns for hunting.
I've seen to trap and skeet rangers where dozens of shooters go through bricks on bricks of birds hot. Easily 10,000 rounds in an afternoon, and that's just a small single range on a single day. I saw an article awhile ago that claimed American shooters fire 2-3 billion rounds of ammunition daily.

>>33714575
>How many other countries use 22lr

Well a quick google search says that there are 196 recognized countries in the world so... 195

>>33714596
Whos the 1

>>33714578
Still .22lr

>>33714602
m8...

>>33714583
.45-70 killed around 10 million injuns.

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I dont think commercial 22 lr could match up the gorillions of 7.62x39 the soviet states and chinks made.

>>33714556
7.62x39 is probably 2nd.

>>33714595
you make good points but consider the variety of shotgun caliber variations, especially among noguns country sports clubs. 12ga is very popular yes but I doubt it's the most prolific because of competition from 10ga, 16, 20, and even 24 and 14 in some countries.

>>33714603
lol no. It is indeed the most common caliber for nigger and other subhumans to kill eachother with, but more men died at the Battle of Somme, Kursk, Gettysburg, and countless other battles on a single day then have ever been killed in Chicago.

>>33714611
Civilian shooters in the US outnumber any military in the world by an order of magnitude and just about every single one owns or has owned a .22LR. Then you have to take into account what percentage of the military actually uses small arms and how often they do so.

Also consider how many countries there are where rimfire is less restricted than centerfire cartridges and how popular .22 is. Even in the US where we can have whatever .22 absolutely stomps all other cartridges in terms of popularity, can you imagine what the numbers look like in those countries?

It may not seem like much when you look at one random shooter who fires a box or two of 22LR a month compared to these massive stockpiles of military calibers, but the raw number of recreational shooters absolutely shits on any military's ammo consumption.

>>33714616
>>33714622
Africa, Vietnam, Afganistan, South America, Korea... Shotguns probably aren't the most common round. Neither are the multiple calibers they used in WW1 or WW2.

>>33714616
This is true, but 12ga is undoubtedly the most prolific shotgun chambering, followed by 20ga.

Ironically among the most fired shotgun calibers was a now obscure 4ga "coffman engine starter" 4 gauge blank cartridge that was used to start nearly every single piston engine from the early 1920s to the 1950s, especially in military use. Before the advdnt of sparkplugs Every time you had to start an engine it was done with a coffman engine starter. Just about every single plane, truck, boat, automobile, motorcycle, motorized carrige, submarine, ext... had to be fired this way for decades. My grandpa had a big case of them with a few hundred in it from the 30s. He said he would go the hardware store every week and get a new box.

>>33714605
>m8...
Australia?

>>33714662
I don't think anyone will argue with that. Thanks for the story about the 4 ga engine starter.

>>33714696
lol jesus christ

Antarctica is probably what he's insinuating. Truthfully tho it's more than 1, there's a lot of shithole slum countries on this rock so I think it's safe to say .22lr isn't used in every one. lots of forgettable countries around the globe [spoiler]mainly in Africa[/spoilers don't work on /k/]

>>33714764
>Antarctica is probably what he's insinuating.
>Antartica
>Country

Jesus fucking christ.

>Anon asks how many other countries use .22
>Other
>As in besides the US
>If there are 196 countries /including/ the US...

>>33714764
I didn't know Antarctica was a country now.

>>33714796
>>33714823
yeah yeah and Pluto isn't a planet right

the fact that I can't go to Antarctica and claim a plot of land signifies someone owns that bitch

>>33714556
.22lr

>>33714839
>yeah yeah and Pluto isn't a planet right
It's not
>the fact that I can't go to Antarctica and claim a plot of land signifies someone owns that bitch
There's a treaty. No one country owns it.

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>>33714662
>used to start nearly every single piston engine from the early 1920s to the 1950s
I smell a lot of bullshit in this post. Most cars used hand cranking before it was phased out for electric starting, and compressed air starters were also commonplace for industrial machinery. Pretty sure subs used compressed air, too.

>Before the advdnt of sparkplugs
??

>>33714764
Antarctica is a continent, but not a country.

7.62x54r
>Russia
>Finland
>china
>Czechoslovakia
>Romania
>Poland
>Bulgaria
>United states

>>33715034
Still .22lr im sorry but they didnt make that stuff in 550rnd boxes the size of a jif peanut butter jar.

>>33714611
Well except the .22LR has been in manufacture since the 1880's so it has a huge head start on any other cartridge...

>>33715034
.22LR

>[Every single country that exists or has existed since the late 1800's]

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>>33715054
On a side note, is there any rimfire cartridge aside from .22 (LR and WinMag) that's still relatively popular, or at least not totally forgotten about?

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>>33715189

7,62x54r

>>33715588
rimfire not rimmed you idiot

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>>33715588
Rimfire.

Rim


Fire

>>33715598
>>33715600

kek

>>33715588
You fucking donkey.

>>33714575
even north korea makes 22lr

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>>33715588

I'd say

.22LR
12 Gauge
AK ammo

go to municion.org and see how much factories/nations make .22LR and 12 Ga, it's astonishing.

>>33715189
.17HMR seems to be a popular alternate chambering for a lot of modern .22lr guns.

>>33714560
FPBP and proof OP is no gunz

>>33714919
I'm not sure about civilian uses, but most early-mid WWII aircraft and before used Coffman starters.

>>33714662
Before spark plugs?
Maybe you mean before electric start.
I have seen aircraft engines started this way, but not automobiles.

>>33714611
>>33714556

For a military caliber, I would guess you are correct as with 7.62X39. The only rivals which I can think of are 8mm mauser, or possibly .303 as like the X39 were made by the billions by lots of countries for a long period of time.

However for all time round, probably btwn .22lr and 12 gage. both calibers were invented over 100 years ago and have been in non stop production since in just about every country on the planet

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>>33714919
Airplane radial engines used blank systems for the startup, Also had a prominent role in the 2004 remake of flight of the phoenix

>>33714764
Antarctica isn't a country you dip

In no particular order:
.22 lr.
7.62X39.
5.56.
12 gauge.
9X19.

>>33714578
380.

>>33714639
Keep in mind that my dad trained on .22 converted rifles when he was in the air force (cheaper to train lol)

So even the military uses .22

>>33716757
If we can count blanks, .22 blanks have been used in nail guns and other power tools for decades. So that's civilian shooting, military applications, and industrial use.

>>33714578
.69 caliber musketball

>>33714578
my guess would be
>7.62x39
>9mm
>.45
>7.62x51

the 7.62 for obvious reasons, but I'd imagine a lot of kills can be credited to ww2 era submachine guns (mp40, sterling, sten, thompson, grease gun...) and they're still in active use today

>>33718183
The most soldiers who were quipped with subguns weren't direct combat troops, exept for the soviets maybe, but tey didn't use 9mm. Many NCOs actually preferred rifles.

>>33714839
You can buy islands but that doesn't make them recognized countries. Continents aren't just countries by default

>>33716501
I'm not disputing that, but going and saying that pretty much every piston engine before the 50s used it for starting is just plain wrong.

>>33715189
.22 short and .22 CB/BB (Technically the oldest, since the 1840's I think), but those are .22 as well.

The .17 family is pretty popular these days.

In Europe, 9mm flobert is still used as a tiny varminting shotgun

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>>33714578
7.92x57, 303 brit, 7.62x54r or 7.62x39

I'd be willing to bet its one of those three.

>>33721761
>9mm flobert
Well, that's actually pretty neat.

It's like a big brother to .22 LR shot.

I've always wondered why there isn't some kind of larger caliber .22 LR equivalent in terms of being cheap as fuck and not particularly powerful.

>>33715189
These look like little candy corn bullets or something. I want a bag of these to just feel in my hand.

>>33714578
7.62x54r has had the longest amount of time and the most active "nah, we're not associated with them at all (Sergei give them this)" and "duck buying our own guns when we can just use the enemy's" Time.

My guess is x54r and either .32 or .25 ACP (all the mass executions where people used pocket pistols)

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>>33723373
The 9mm Flobert is anything but cheap. Expect around 50 to 75 cents a pop. They're certainly neat rifles: imagine a quiet shotgun that you can use in your backyard.

The guns are anywhere from $100 to stupid expensive. They're all pretty rare though, regardless of price.

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>>33725088
Yeah, I figured it would be expensive because of how niche it is.

I guess my question now is, if .22 LR was centerfire, would it still be as cheap?

>>33714556
Saw a guy receive a shipment of 10k 12 gauge birdshot on a wafer from Rural King the other day so he would have enough for one week of training at his range, so that.

>>33725138
Could just look at .25 ACP prices to find out

>>33725193
Problem with .25 acp is that there's nowhere near the amount of demand for it as there is for .22 lr, so the prices aren't really comparable.

>>33714556
I haven't seen 7.62x54R yet.

.303 British has got to be up there.

Been around for 120+ years. Used by the biggest empire in the world. Used by all her colonies all over the world. Used through two world wars and countless other wars. Still in service today. Saw tons of civilian use for hunting.

It's probably above 7.62x39 or 7.62x54r. maybe only .22lr has surpassed it. Or 12ga.

>>33726384
Civilian use + universality trumps rounds with one or two big users.

I would guess

>22LR
>12 ga
>9mm
>7.62x39
>5.56/.223

>>33718183
>7.62x39
Yes
>9mm
Yes
>.45
No
>7.62x51
No

replace .45 and 7.62x51 with 8mm Mauser and 7.62x54r.

>>33714608
Not even remotely true. Americans didn't kill that many native americans, let alone one cartridge

>>33714608
Red jews strike again with their lies, Everyone knows that indian reservations had some of the most comfortable living conditions in america at the time

>>33714882
...yet. Once that sucker thaws out it's prime real estate.

>>33714578
8mm Mauser
Two world wars, (just think eastern front and lots of dead ruskies), chinese civil wars, yugoslavia, etc.

>>33726607
>7.62x51
>No
nigga what? it was the primary battle rifle and light machine gun cartridge of the free world for over 30 years. it continued on as the primary battle rifle of the shitty brown parts of the free world for another couple decades, and is still in service as a machine gun cartridge. it has more than enough bodies on it to be in that list.

>>33726739

8mm mauser is a dead cartridge, phased out by every military on the globe years ago.

>>33726814
The answer was 8mm Mauser in terms of victim numbers you mong.

>>33714662
Spark plugs were invented in 1860.

>>33726793
>it was the primary battle rifle and light machine gun cartridge of the free world for over 30 years

It was standardized in NATO for logistics reasons. The weapons used by Western countries that fire this cartridge would be collecting dust if not for the Middle East wars (and test firing them) And yeah it was and still is popular in Africa, but millions did not die to the 7.62x51. In fact since WWII every conflict has been shitty and small

I get the feeling you're also >>33726814 because this post is making the same mistake of associating present popularity with bodycount

>>33714662
>4 gauge blank cartridge that was used to start nearly every single piston engine from the early 1920s to the 1950s
the Ford Model T, had an electric starter in 1919 and every other manufacturer followed suit within a year or two. you're waaaaay overstating your case.

>>33726887
I don't know why you think I'm
>>33726814
as I never said it ranked over stuff like 8mm.
you're both underestimating casualties from 7.62 and at the same time including 9mm in your list of "millions"

>>33726960
9mm gets most casualties because of it's widespread international law enforcement use. I can't imagine there were many military casualties beyond executions.

The 7.62x51 has seen many conflicts but most of them were small scale. The Vietnam War is probably the most action it got

>>33727061
Korea?

>>33727178
the .30-06 was still standard issue at that time

>>33727061
they add up, bro
>Mau Mau
>South Africa
>Guatemala
>West Papua
>Mozambique
>Indonesia
the list goes on and on. you're looking for trees and missing the forest.

>>33714582
are you trolling or serious?

>>33714556
>7.62x39
this is the most useless caliber in history.

>has horrible ballistics when compared to other intermediate calibers
>doesn't penetrate or have the range of a ful size 7.62
>it's inherently not an accurate round
>the guns that shoot it can't be suppressed easy
>inb4 7.62x39 ar
>could have just got a .300 blkout and had many more options.

tl;dr: 7.62x39 is retarded.

>>33727061
>most of them were small scale.
so was most of what the 7.62x39 gets credited for

>>33714556

.22lr or 54r

>>33727061
As far as 7.62x51, while it probably doesn't have a crapload of military-on-military kills it was used in most of the African genocides to some extent (although well behind 7.62x39).

Something to the tune of around 2 billion people give or take a couple million for the shit-tier documentation of them were genocided between 1960 and today. Didn't really seem to put a dent in the population though, since fucking is literally the only thing Africans are competent at.

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>>33727396
>inherently not accurate
Dude, I hate slavshit, but the PPC line of cartridges is based on the x39.

>>33721334
Perhaps he meant piston engine aircraft?

>>33714582
The ones you can shoot like a mad man and don't care about how many bullets you've shot.

By mad man shooting, I just meant you unload the clip instead of waiting and aiming precisely.

>>33723291
>I'd be willing to bet its one of those three.
it's 7.62x39mm by a large margin. Every big dick conflict Europens have had since Napoleon has been finished with high explosives, not small arms. Got to look at low intensity/genocides and see what's used. Protip : Kalashnikov.

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>>33714764
>being this stupid

>>33725949
And why is that, anon?

Is it because designing a gun around a tiny center-fire is difficult or is it because designing a tiny rim-fire is easy?

Or is it because center-fire is more expensive to produce?

Or, hear me out, is it because rim-fire is bottom of the barrel cheap as fuck to make and already has the plinking market captured?

Or is it all of these?

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>>33714611
Be afraid of the pointy stick!

I think a lot of people in this thread forget the enormous amount of bullets needed for aircraft machineguns, so stuff like 7,62X54R, 7,92mm IS or .30-06 could easily be the most produced cartrige(since thre aren't very many aircraft guns champered in 7,62x39 or 5,56mm, but cerainly not the ones with the most casualities.

>>33729094
it's non of the above actually. rimfire is a shit tier unreliable ignition system. 22lr is fucking dumb as fuck in rifles and would have been bumped by air rifles decades ago had it not been for inertia. 22lr is superior in pistol applications of course.

>>33729150
>it's shit

That also inherently means it's cheap you nerd.

It's captured the plinking market and now no one wants to change, understandably.

And Air rifle ballistics are garbage, they suck for basically anything, and nobody wants to either buy CO2+ammo/bring a compressor/pump a riffle 10 times after every shot while plinking.

>>33728607
NEW faggotry.
>clip
>>madman
ugh just kys

>>33714556
A useless tidbit comparex to the questions of what rounds are the easiest to find and, if possible, are feasible for reloading.

OP pic does to the chart for intermediate cartridges. Even back during the ammo drought you could at least still find that whilst "AR-15" 223s were a bitch to find and a bitch to buy when found.

But 12 gauge and .22LR are the top to find in most countries with any civilian guns at all.

>>33714616
Yes but ouside the context of exclusive and expensive gun clubs for fudd sporting being the only notable existence of civilian arms in a country, anything that isn't 20 or 12 is practically unheard of.

>>33727568
>Just about every single plane, truck, boat, automobile, motorcycle, motorized carrige, submarine, ext... had to be fired this way for decades.
He did not.