What is the least shit mouse gun? asking for a friend.

>>33708087
Look at the Beretta 950 series

I have one from 1957, a pre-safety model chambered in .25 auto. It feeds more reliably than a .22 auto, holds 8+1 rounds and can fit in a cell phone case. Unfortunately it's a piss weak cartridge, but still. Your should be able to find one for around $400

>>33708087
Is .32 acp still the very best in the world of too-small pistol cartridges?

cz70

>>33708087

ruger lcp2 is very good if you can handle the recoil

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Mouse guns and 25acp are cute.
CUTE!

>>33708319
there's not a lot of innovation going on at that end of the cartridge spectrum so yeah

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Kimber is chambering the Micros with 9MM now.

>>33709217
Yup.

Cm9 is the smallest gun you can get in 9mm. It is the size of a .380.

ITT: guns for dames and no good card cheaters.

>>33710753
Compensating for something there, pal?

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I put 100 rounds through my brand new kimber micro 9 today to break it in for CC. I had 2 failures to feed where it would feed 75% of the way, easily fixed by racking the slide and ejecting the round. this was with remington FMJ. I'm using hornady critical duty for my CC load. At least with the remington it was extremely comfortable to shoot for being a sub compact 9mm, I think the weight and mechanism help alot. similar to pic related except has 3 dot sights instead of bullshit black.

>>33708460
yep, it's the main reason I want to start collecting guns.

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>>33710753
THIS is a card cheater's gun.

>>33711159
also quite accurate IMO, about 40 feet had 5 inch groups.

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any opinions on the mauser 1910?

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>>33708087
the only micro gat i ever seriously considered is the meagle.

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>>33708260
This to be honest. They are rock solid reliable and really well made.
>>33711159
>>33711182
Are you taking bets for when the frame cracks?

>>33710753
Nah m8 it's the fallback FALLBACK gun.

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>>33708087
Easy.

>>33711224
ugly

>>33711310
this. IWB on the appendix, snubbie or sub in the pocket, mousegun on the ankle.

>>33708087
Beretta Tomcat. Used to have one, wish I still did. Very accurate for the size, fun as fuck to shoot, easy to pocket.

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>>33709217
Do not buy Kimber. Bought the 380 version and its an absolute jam-o-matic.

>>33711224
Qt

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>>33708087

Seecamp .32 acp

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>>33708087
Beretta Tomcat in 32 ACP

>>33712889
Make sure to buy one with the beefed up frames.
The earlier ones had a nasty habit of cracking

>>33712879
>>33711746
THIS.

Though I had a colt junior and it shot every time, loudest handgun of its size I've ever shot.

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I started collecting old mouse guns. So far Beretta is best for tiny gun.

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>>33712889
>THAT WOODEN GRIP

>>33712909
Anything about the size of the tomcat in .380? I just want a small as fuck gun for CC bigger than .25, not sure how i feel on .32

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OP here

I don't plan on using these for self defense (getting something much better for that), so I only included .25 acp and .22 short and .22 long.

Any other suggestions on collectible pistols in these calibers? I like non-traditional looking guns.

Also do the prices seem right? Got them from some gun auction site.

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>>33712974

There is no .380 tomcat. You'd have to go to the Beretta 85 or 84 for a 380 pistol, which is a midsize.

32 is petty underrated though, you aren't gaining a whole lot with 380. I can't really recommend a tomcat though, as far as I know they still have unresolved frame cracking issues.

Pic related. M9A1, 81FS .32acp, Model 71

>>33713039
I think you misread what i meant. Im looking for a gun thats similar in size to a tomcat but chambered in .380

Il read up on 32 some more

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>>33712974
>Anything about the size of the tomcat in .380
the .380 beretta is the cheetah.
pic related

>>33713067
You need to reread his post.

>>33713028
Mauser 1910 or 1914

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>>33712974
I EDC a Kel-tec p3at
It is tiny and a joy to carry.
A bit to snappy for range fun though
I usually just practice with a bit, and then switch to my beretta 85 or 92 for range fun

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>>33713053

Ah, gotcha. Yeah I misread that.

The closest thing in size chambered in 380 is the NAA Guardian and the Micro Desert Eagle aka Kevin ZP28. 380 in guns this size tends to be kinda unpleasant to shoot, even more so for lighter guns like the KelTec P3AT.

I do have an NAA Guardian in 32 and had one in 380. It's beefy enough 380 is doable but 32 is actually fun. They need a little smoothing to improve trigger pull but it's not bad.

You might look into Kahr pistols too.

>>33711282
Would be a mouse gun if not for that trigger guard. Could fit a battalion worth of sucks in that gap.

>>33712974
A Beretta pico maybe? Idk about length and height, compared to the tomcat, but it is the thinnest 380 one the market.

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>>33712818

>>33713053
>>33713124
>doesn't know about the Seecamp in .380
This gun cannot be beat. There is nothing smaller or more powerful when it comes to mouseguns.

>>33713106
Yeah, i guess I do.
Seagram's is a hell of a drug.
Well, I stand by my .380 suggestion.

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just bought a Kel-Tec P32, thoughts?

>>33713028

Colt Vest Pocket.

>>33713371
discard it after a couple thousand rounds

>>33711746
>>33712879
This.

>>33713390
why?

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>>33713371
Cheap, ugly, and underpowered

Ya blew it

Capisce?

>>33713415
>Cheap, ugly
it's a carry gun, I don't care
>underpowered
we're talking about mouse guns in this thread, maybe you wandered in here by mistake?

>>33713413
because their service life is not very long, like 8000rds

>>33713371

I carry one for doing stuff in the yard/general around the house stuff. It's been reliable but needed a few boxes to break in. Super tiny and pretty easy to shoot.

>>33708087
>>33708087
probably a glock 19

>>33711159
well its a 1911 design what did you expect. better keep one in the tube, it might be the only shot you get with that piece of shit

>>33711224
I like the aesthetic. Would like to hear someone knowledgeable about this gun weigh in on reliability.

Any answer other than
J E T F I R E

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is objectively wrong.

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>>33713053

That would be a LWS380.

BONUS: The LWS is smaller.
DOUBLE BONUS: The LWS is higher quality.

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Not a 'mouse gun' proper, but I did pick up an early run OMC back-up in February.

Not my picture, but mine is just as pristine.

>>33708460
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kagBQPjHXWY

>>33715467
Any way related to AMT? Looks an awful lot like an AMT backup

>>33708319
.32acp was the dominant police cartridge of the western world for over 60 years and you should not be afraid to carry it. I still keep a rifle in my trunk in case of riots (I live near Baltimore), but a small pocket gun is plenty if you need to ruin a mugger's day.

>>33713390
It's not built for that. Honestly they're not recreational guns; they're snappy, the sights suck, and the ammo costs as much as 223. It's a carry piece for people who can't have something larger on them. I put a box or two of ammo through mine every year to make sure it's functioning properly but that's it. 8000 rounds will last me a lifetime.

>>33708319
Yes, Underwood makes a copper bullet for them called a cavitor, gives good penetration and a little bit of cavitation, use these instead of hollowpoints for carry.

>>33709217
Kimber also don't know how to MIM and likes to fuck you in the ass on warranty.

>>33711159
Don't buy remington 9mm. They use some wonky projectile that makes the overall cartridge length visibly shorter than other brands. It's within spec but in my experience it makes some guns more prone to jam.

>>33712974
Kahr maybe

what's a decent mouse gun for a lefty?

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Beretta tomcat in .32
Holds 7+1 and is super small

>>33711282
Diesnt that have two heavish springs in it. Was alit work for .380 to rack if its the gun im thinking of.
Also it had degale brand degale pricing for something on par with a keltec p380

>>33711746

I've had two and hung out on the Seecamp forum. They're shit.

>>33713599
Just because Kimber are shitcrafters doesn't mean compact 1911s can't be done.

>>33715646
It's an AMT Backup

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>>33708087
My Galesi Model 9 is pretty fun to shoot.

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>>33717865
Wrong picture.

>>33717555
I have the 32 and the 380 and both work perfectly.

>>33708087
The Ruger LCP is pretty fucking not shit.

>>33715646

AMT bought the tooling from OMC.

>>33718889
Don't you mean the other way around?

>>33718969

Nope. OMC were the original manufacturers. The BackUp is an OMC design that sold to AMT.

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I've no idea what this this is, but it's pretty cool. Probably an astra or something.

>>33708087
Seems like a good enough thread to ask, but are Bersa Thunders decent? I've been eye balling just for a range gun, but I'd still be pretty disappointed if it turns out to be shit

>>33718978
Huh, it looks like such an AMT kind of gun, did they change it?

>>33715467
You know, that handgun looks like a tool. Devoid of style, just built for one purpose. Sort of like it

>>33719076
They're pretty alright, think the Walther PP but better and a bit more modern.

The Plus model takes a flushfitting 13rd mag IIRC. Of course it's not quite as thin as the normal one.

>>33719110

It's a very utilitarian-looking design. A lot like a 1911.

>>33719029

Could also be French or Belgian. So many European countries were churning out Colt copies at the time.

>>33715467
The ATF regarded Arcadia Machine & Tool as a Ring Of Fire company so it's nearly like a mousegun by association.

>>33719111
No glaring quality deficiencies or anything like that? I'm wary of how cheap, but nice they are at first glance.

>>33719133

An undeserved reputation, imo. This thing is solid as a fucking rock.

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Dreyse ofc

>>33719029
Slide serrations being curved definitely brings old Spanish pistols to mind.

>>33719135
Most people seem pretty satisfied with them, but check out some reviews to be sure.

>>33719152
Really depends, the Backup could be nice, some could have issues but they can be fixed and you'd have a good little pistol.

There's the Automag pistols they made that killed their company, and some 1911s with varying degrees of success (both can be made to run with some work).

I would obviously not put them on the same level as Jimenez or anything, but they weren't flawless.

>>33719208
>I would obviously not put them on the same level as Jimenez or anything, but they weren't flawless.

Making some lemons doesn't mean your pistols are saturday night specials, though.

>>33719076
Its your money but seems like an odd choice for a range gun. When i hesr range gun i think of something thats unusual or very fun to shoot, not a sort of compact semi

>>33719497
I was thinking of it as an alternative to my Makarov since they'd be in similar weight and function
I find the idea of a relatively heavy all metal .380 pretty sexy. No real reason for besides whim. I did look at the CZ 83, but I figured with the Bersa replacement parts would be cheaper and much more abundant than for the CZ83 which will probably be a bitch to find parts for in another 10-20 years.

>>33718118

They work fine but the quality is poor and the design is too compromised. The people who say they're built like Rolexes don't know anything about manufacturing and just like it because they're shiny.

>>33719780

They are great looking pistols, though.

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A Bond Bullpup obviously

>>33719780
So, Seecamp, who generally doesnt advertise, has been highly successful selling overpriced junk since the 70's?

>>33719167
>dreyse M1907
Dude! I don't own one personally but my mother of all people does.

It's fucking awesome.
What year/police department/markings does it have?
My mothers appears to be an Alsast-Lorraine department one.

>>33719879

They were the only .32 pistol that size until the late 1990s, and the only metal one until very recently.

They're not junk, but they're not great examples of quality and they're definitely overpriced. I sold my second Seecamp (first one was returned because of quality control) for $450 and bought both a Kel-Tec P32 and a Taurus TCP .380 with the money.

I feel a lot better carrying either of those than the Seecamp.

Idea for pocket-gun:
>two barreled derringer
>3" barrels in .38 Special or 9mm Luger
>flat and with no sights or anything else to snag on
>body is machined aluminum, barrels are aluminum with steel inserts
>laser sight attached to triggerguard
>double-action only with concealed hammer
>no safety
>skateboard tape acting as grips
Y/N?
I want it to be a cheap but functional last resort kind of gun.

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>>33721665
1) because 7 rounds of 380 fits in the same footprint.
>laser
2) any self-defense situation is going to be quick and at a little over arms length. Thats why there is no sights and also no need for a laser. its going to be instinct point shooting.
3) DAO, yeap
4) no safety, agreed.

>>33711159
>using critical duty
>a load spec'd for full size handguns with 4-5" barrels

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>>33711159
>>33709217
>1911 for carry
...
>as a compact
...
>as a sub compact
...
>in 9mm
What the fuck is wrong with you? What kind of retarded thought process went through your head when making that decision?
It can't even feed FMJ ball rounds!
I sincerely hope you rethink your decision and do not trust your life to possibly the most flawed firearm design created.
The only way it could be worse is if it were manufactured by Hi-Point, Kel-Tec, or Taurus.

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Ahem...

>>33722326
Why does it have that trigger safety if it's hammer fired? SAO?

>>33722401
>SAO?
Yep

That's what makes the new trigger not garbage

>>33719322
They didn't make SOME lemons, they were cranking out lemons while pioneering full stainless guns,making weird design choices, shitting out poorly manufactured small parts changing hands repeatedly. The whole history of the company is rocky as hell.

>>33719780
Rolexs aren't even that nice for their price range. They're like Harleys

>>33722173
Smaller calibers than .45 are actually beneficial to the 1911 design due to the nature of the feed ramp and making compact and subcompact 1911s run well was figured out a long time ago. Some manufacturers just choose to ignore that information

>>33724523

Look, all I know is that one day, I will have a working example of every AMT gun. I need them.

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Thinking about getting pic related. Bring on the hate.

>>33711282
Did magnum research discontinue these? I've been looking everywhere for one and CANNOT find one anywhere.

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My AMT backup 380 SAO. Previous owner had the slide repolished and had "Nancy" engraved on it. I greased her up and it shot well, but ffs it HURTS to shoot. I've never shot a more uncomfortable pistol.

Like, it's order of magnitudes worse than the LCP, and I was shooting some shitty Tula 380.

>>33725661

I find it pretty comfortable, 2bh

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>>33725661
>Nancy

Neat. I went with a custom serial number.

>>33726309
Is your name Leo Devlin, by chance?

>You don't want me ta go to da trunk, I'll get dat Act Rite and put it on 'em

>>33726346
Alright, a fellow fan of Roy. One of these days I would like to get him to sign the box & get a pic of him holding the pistol.

>>33722173
>c-compact 1911s are bad
Literally Google Detonics

>9mm 1911s are bad
Literally Google STI 9mm and Star Model A or Model B

>>33724780
All well and good, but expect to put some work into them, especially their Automags, those things were janky as shit.

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>>33722173
negro the Kimber Micro Carry ain't a 1911, it's a subcompact made to look like a 1911. It looks like a BHP/CZ inside and feeds hollow points fine

>>33711159

My glock 43 has 500 rounds through it hasn't had a failure yet