Middle East Thread " EDITION EDITION"

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>Zabadani

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqS3TFDHKrM

>>33706883
Is he wearing fake tan?

Also

>young guy always nearby him

Hmmm

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So the ISOF captured some of these talked about ISIS rocket launchers at Mosul and are supposedly using them ironically against ISIS now.

I doubt the effectiveness of resorting to dumb fire rockets, but it's great propaganda regardless.

https://twitter.com/IraqiSecurity/status/854807499207266305/photo/1

>>33706985
Well if if you want to blow up whoever's in that room across the street they should work as well as anything else for the job, and as you say it's a nice bit of propaganda too.

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>(Big Guy For You)

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TkLmSYVNls

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http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN0P22BX20150622

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4K-Iiey0rE

>>33706552
Why is 4chan's server breaking again?

any interesting new developments in the last month or so? How has the al-bab 3 way progressed?

>>33706897
there are a few pictures of him in compromising poses with young, clearly gay, men

>>33712102
Turkey-backed rebels took Al-Bab. But the lines had stabilized since with the rebels essentially being cockblocked in a three-way by the SAA, SDF, Russians and Americans. It's not stopping them from attempting to breach the lines north from Manbij where Russian and American support is weaker.

The SAA in north Aleppo are now concentrating in pushing east into IS territory. Took Dayr Hafir easy but are struggling at the nearby airbase. The NATO-supported SDF is way successful; took huge chunks of land around Raqqa in preparation of an uphill battle at Raqqa, and are encircling Tabqa (where one of the major dams are located).

Besides Palmyra recaptured by the SAA, that's pretty much it. Same back and forth in other fronts, including north Hama.

>>33706552

>OTK stamp

Even the Russiboos approve

>>33706985
They are essentially ghetto AT4s, pretty neat

>>33708475

>2015
>Obama's proxy army

kys

Savior bump

Mandic edition

>>33709544

Desert Hawks and Tigers in Hama, Jihadi fuckboys don't stand a chance

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>>33715222

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hh8nG7pbE7o

>>33715301

Celebrating something, Mandic?

>>33715222
>>33715320

This thread is so dead that Mandic is having a party for one.

Current political map of syria?

>>33715714
>http://syria.liveuamap.com/
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Syrian_Civil_War_detailed_map

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>>33715714

http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/fr/map/desyracuse-syria-civil-war-9-april-2017_139394#7/34.886/39.018

>>33715746
cheers bud

Haven't followed these threads in 5 years. Is Assad finished?

>>33715263
>inb4 ISIS sweeps all the way back to Aleppo totally unopposed

Snippet from a newsstory regarding a taliban raid on an ANA base earlier today. Initial report said 8 dead ANAs but now the number is 50.

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>>33716350

nope.

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>>33716350

https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/

>>33716976
>sputnik news

Reuters says that a close associate of Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi has been killed in an American ground operationin Syria. Imo pretty weak that they could not even supply the actual name, but there's a lot of links in the info chain here.

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>>33717104

Oy vey!!!

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New picture of a RB-341V EW warfare jamming party van ( I guess) with our heroic, possibly homosexual Tiger forces general and a Russian officer post Taybat Al-Imam take over. Next and final rebel strong point is Helfaya, ongoing although things are quiet at the moment.

Picking up what I was discussing earlier it looks like the Russians and SAA have decided to go all in northern Hama while holding other fronts steady. Right now heavy fighting reported in a new SAA/Hezbollah offensive in Quneitra with Israeli airstrikes reported. Also should be mentioned IS still attacking in Deir Ezzor city/airport in new attacks recently as the siege continues to cut off the airbase and city. IS attacking in eastern Aleppo at times. SAA still attacking Qahon in Damascus everyday. Daraa is still on although quiet at the moment as well.
Lastly SDF has made inroads in northern Raqqa again approaching the city from both north and south.

>>33717777
>Israeli airstrikes reported
Response to the 3 mortars falling in the Golan earlier?

>>33717318
The CENTCOM twitter account has confirmed it as Abdurakhmon Uzbeki

https://twitter.com/CENTCOM/status/855465172701507585

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxFWhsdhARs

No one has posted on the HTS Killdozer SVBIED that got captured in Hama.

Is that Syrian Warfare RTS on steam any good?

>>33723598

Yeah surprisingly so. What I like about it the most is that it captures urban fighting really well.

Also capturing vehicles is a very good system I rarely see in other games.

>>33706552
Any opinion on this article? Does it sound like bullshit?

http://www.newsweek.com/ayman-al-zawahiri-cia-donald-trump-drone-strike-osama-bin-laden-pakistan-587732

>>33724090
I would be surprised if Pakistan ISI didn't harbor Zawahiri.

Early morning Syria is popping off. Most mornings in Syria start the same way. A long list of bombing raid locations as the morning shift Ruaf/Saaf start. I note what could be CAS near Deir Ezzor airport as the SAA is attacking IS close by, the usual fuck many bombings in eastern Ghouta as ground fighting reported by Tishreen. Other locations include Daraa and some villages in eastern Homs.

Already some thing in northern Hama as the SAA makes their move on Helfaya with shelling. Free Idlib army claims a TOW strike destroying a "T-90" lel. I doubt that. More likely a T-62. Also a rebel ATGM strike in western Aleppo on a tank. We'll see in the video's later on.

>>33715714
Shithole

Better than Afghanistan, Yemen, and parts of Africa tbqh

>>33716636
The USA should've left Afghanistan in 2014 and just kept bombing it. Cut the losses

Instead it has spent $300 billion more.

>>33724827
So don't the vast majority of the damagwed tanks get repaired?

Also, why don't they have a machine gunner on top? I never see it even though every Abrams has one. They always have infantry able to just run up to them and blow it up at close range. There's no secondary gun fire, just the cannon

And why does no one use humvees/Gaz Russian version? The best are these shitty toyota technicals.

A group of humvees/Gaz would wreck ass in East Aleppo/Palmyra/Daraa province. (Generation Kill memories).

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Afghanistan: 5 Taliban fighters raided the Afghan army base and killed or wounded over 100 soldiers. No final death toll so far.

>>33725870
This is what happens when you have improper training, no moral, and an illiterate fighting force

Absolute arms/numerical superiority but everyone turned tail or waited their turn to die until SF came to arrest the Taliban guys who literally ran out of ammunition for all their weapons

>>33716636
>>33725662
>>33725870
>>33725917

I do assume all these refer to the same raid. But the numbers are still mounting. Now the reports say 140 dead ANA and 160 wounded.

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>>33715301
Hey Mandic, do you have any information on those "ISIS hunters" unit formed with the help of the Russians ? Photos or whatever ??

Who are they really ??

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>>33726129

>Who are they really ??

Russian propaganda effort.

>>33726181
So they are really just Syrian army ??

Do they take foreigners ?

>>33726221

While I can't in my wildest fantasy see the Russians allow random western foreigners into their ranks because they'd assume everyone were CIA or similar operators, the question is interesting. Does ANYONE in the ME allow foreigners into their ranks any more? ISIS doesn't really have the spare time (or funds?) to take in non-arabic-speaking foreigners and train them, because even suicide car drivers need to be able to read the street signs. Al Quaida announced just a few days ago that they don't accept foreign volunteers because they are so short on funds and bombed so badly that the less attention they get now the better. They didn't say it like that, but... And YPG and YPJ aren't fighting with their backs to the wall any more and investing in foreigner volunteer fighters is costing too much compared with the propaganda value they give. I can't really think of anyone else.

>>33726601
Well wars are not gonna end man, there will be another one where they'll let anyone and their nanny in to fight

>>33726615

A statement worth considering. Has there every been a war where 'everyone' were allowed to fight?

>>33726086

More details filtering in. Apparently the taliban attackers were dressed in ANA uniforms, drove ANA vehicles and had forged ANA ID papers. But the real kicker: some of the taliban guys were former ANA soldiers who had served on the attacked base. They literally knew every nook and cranny.

In the last few years, roughly 50% of all ANA soldiers have deserted and of the remaining forces, the actual numbers are very dubious as it is a favorite pastime to have ghost soldiers on the pay lists.

The West sure knows who to support.

>>33726629
Meme wars man. Trust me, I am a vet.

>>33726652
>5 natives guys managed to shoot up 300 enemy soldiers.

Shit where the fuck are these rambos when they are on our side for the moment.

>mfw taliban purges the chaff and the ANA actually saves a buck.

>>33726764

All things considered we cant even tell if the reported numbers are real. Ghost soldiers make for empty graves but they are real enough when they figure on the 'compensations for the relatives' payout list.

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>>33726652

>In the last few years, roughly 50% of all ANA soldiers have deserted

50%? shiiiit....do you have a source on that?
no wonder the taliban gets back to power in the country like before the US went full retard

>>33726969

I might not be able to find the exact article about the 50% rate. But here's a few links regarding very high reported deserting rates.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-afghanistan-army-desertions-idUSKCN0UW1K3

https://www.stripes.com/news/middle-east/tide-of-desertions-among-highest-in-recent-history-strains-afghan-forces-1.366071#.WPt2etwlHIU

http://www.thedailysheeple.com/afghan-army-crumbles-as-desertions-deplete-ranks_012016

https://www.yahoo.com/news/desertions-deplete-afghan-forces-adding-security-worries-143702990.html

Statistics depend on the time scope, the date they were collected, and of course on the reliability of the sources and of the ones presenting it. But all public information available to me agrees that the deserting is on an epic scale.

>>33725677
>So don't the vast majority of the damagwed tanks get repaired?
Not with russian tanks. Most of them suffer a complete internal burnout when the ammo cooks off, even going so far as to pop the turret off. At that point its easier to build a new tank then repair that one.

Also remember in this war most tanks get abandoned while still in working order, for example the T-90 HTS captured had simply run out of gas, but the SAA abandoned it. There was a meme a while ago:
>Its not a SAA unless they leave an armored battalion behind.

A ton of ATGM action reported in round 1 of the SAA trying to advance on Halfaya post Tayyibat Al Iman. Pro SAA accounts of advancing on several footholds near the city and toward Morek.

The early TOW videos out now make it hard to tell what happen after the TOW strike but Step is reporting multiple ATGM strikes in the last hour ranging from technicals to SAA Kornet launchers and some rebel artillery shelling. The SAA has been shelling all day plus Ruaf airstrikes. We got a good battle ongoing.

>>33725677
>So don't the vast majority of the damagwed tanks get repaired?
Not with russian tanks. Most of them suffer a complete internal burnout when the ammo cooks off, even going so far as to pop the turret off. At that point its easier to build a new tank then repair that one.

Also remember in this war most tanks get abandoned while still in working order, for example the T-90 HTS captured had simply run out of gas, but the SAA abandoned it. There was a meme a while ago:
>Its not a SAA unless they leave an armored battalion behind.

>>33727440
>>Its not a SAA *retreat* unless they leave an armored battalion behind.

>>33726652
They mowed them down in the kitchen and outside the mosque

Wewwwwwwwww

>>33727411
FSA is losing badly on Hama front. Looking like earlier this month but in reverse.

>>33727279
A lot of TOW videos I've seen don't even penetrate the tanks. The arab cowards just abandon them the second they get hit. I've also seen many tanks getting repaired in Syria, Nusra does it as well.

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>>33725677
some do

>>33727648
They'd better since the SAA can't seem to put their tanks in a position where they won't get TOW'd

Is it really that difficult to see a missile launched at you?

>>33727701
>Is it really that difficult to see a missile launched at you?
yes, you barely see anything and since its supersonic you dont hear anything at all. Also not much time to react.

>>33727804
Agreed. Thought so.

Neither the FSA, ISIS, SAA, or Kurds see them coming.

Only real silver lining is that they usually don't kill nearly as many people as it seems. Most of the force goes forward so it kills whoever the unlucky fucker is in the middle.

Complete rebel collapse in Hama. Rebels are retreating from Helafaya as the SAA pushes to capture them in a pocket. Murek is being bombarded and twitter is lighting up with pictures of dead rebels/guns/vehicles.

The Tigers live up to their name once again.

In the meantime the Afghan Army lost over 160 men today.
Likewise they confirmed the loss of Sangin province to the Taliban. Saudi forces in Yemen also were pushed back near Taiz and Mocha, while losing nearly 50 soldiers.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-39365330
>Almost a quarter of British troops killed during the UK's combat mission in Afghanistan died defending Sangin.
>Hundreds of members of the Afghan security forces died there in recent fighting.
At the same time, over 20 SAA died trying Al-Zahra Aleppo again. They seriously need to stop attacking that place.

All in all, an eventful day. Afghans are truly subhuman, but we already knew that.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-38582323

>The past few decades have shown that no country has the means to impose its will in Afghanistan on its own, but many actors have created disorder.
>Because a big part of the chaos in Afghanistan is rooted in the wider region, the solution needs co-operation and a wider consensus. >One positive outcome of the shifting regional alliances might be a more inclusive approach towards stabilising Afghanistan and its neighbourhood.
>Many Afghans are hopeful that Russian leader Vladimir Putin and incoming US President Donald Trump will improve bilateral relations, with a positive impact on the situation in Afghanistan.
>For many decades during its recent past, when it was left alone, Afghanistan was one of the most peaceful and stable countries. History shows that what Afghanistan needs is less foreign interference, not more of it.

Do you agree with the BBC? They are normally ignorant but the final sentence seems to be the truth.

>>33728257
>History shows that what Afghanistan needs is less foreign interference, not more of it.

I dunno man it seemed to be doing okay for it's self in the 50/60's. I'm all about leaving Afghanistan to its sand people doing sand people shit though.

The Middle East was okay before people got all fucked up on extreme interpretations of Islam.

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>>33727701
>Information retrieved from BMP thread
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igBw7LMxSZk

>>33728257
Ultimately yes, nothing good is going to come from outsiders dicking around there, the only way to make it work would be going full COLONISE mode, but that's not going to happen these days. In the short to medium term however fucking off just hands the place back to Taliban/Al Quaida which doesn't serve anyones interests, so as mentioned it's a country that needs stability in the wider region before it can possibly try and find its own footing again, and in the meantime they're left in limbo getting fucked up.

Oh and I think there's 1 or 2 people with somewhat sensible heads at the BBC, every now and then an article shows up that's overall pretty accurate/balanced and leaves out most of the usual THINK OF THE CHILLUNS hysterics, it's just they're 3rd or 4th in line to write stuff so you only get articles from them when nobody else is in the office that day.

>>33728285
Blame the oil and jews

Sandnigs are too dumb to blame.

>>33706883
Looks like one of Trump's sons on the left there

>>33728292
>can't teach arabs to put their tank mostly behind cover

Tbf, the recent T-72 strike was on a tank mostly hidden behind a hill. Didn't seem to kill it

>>33726601
>. And YPG and YPJ aren't fighting with their backs to the wall any more and investing in foreigner volunteer fighters is costing too much compared with the propaganda value they give. I can't really think of anyone else.

Is pisspiggranddad still alive?

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>>33727411
Here is some of the ATGM strikes from Hama today:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4S3LLvxpmE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zrrAG7RL50

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSYSD4wC_Bs

One of them is on a Kornet launcher in ATGM vs ATGM action. On top of some strikes I omitted. There are a couple of rebel artillery vids, i'll post one of their grad pick up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTHrt0vHoPg

tl;dr ATGM party being thrown for the oncoming tiger forces. Front line is mixed and unclear.

>>33726629
Not sure what you mean. Spanish civil war?

>>33728257

"The Afghans". Who are they anyway? The core of the country is a number of tribes, some of considerable size like the Pashtun, and a number of warlords with territories and forces of varying sizes. The current 'regime' exists solely by the goodwill of a number of tribes, whose leaders sit in the council and in the administration milking in of funds, and by the weekly cubic tons of cash being generously donated by the US and other countries. When or if the money flow stops, the regime will fall before you can sneeze and the power factions simply consolidate and continue with their main income source - production of heroin. So wheres the taliban in all this? Initially they were a Pakistan SIS creation and they still work with them. They gained power by gaining the cooperation of some of the warlords and some of the tribes, but I dont think Pakistan is willing to shell over funds in the mad way the West have been doing and that means the coming taliban regime will be weak. As all the regimes before it. During the 'good' postwar period the tribes united under a king; that wont happen again. And the king's strength lay in leaving the power factions alone, not in ruling them.

>>33728346
From a US nationalist perspective, we should leave Afghanistan except for a few hundred trainers and just bomb shit when we want to.

Afghanistan drains our resources while China/Russia/other countries are saving up and growing their relative strength.

From a US patrio/world policeman view we should just continue the status quo and hope the Taliban come to a peace agreement.

From a rational strategist view, the US should let the Taliban take over the country and negotiate with it as the new government. Oddly enough, Taliban-controlled Afghanistan was far better than pre-1993 and post-2001 Afghanistan. The Taliban are competent.

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>>33728355

>>33728381
Looks like the rebels are getting fucked

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>>33728381
and they just posted another one plus pictures of a different one. Goddamn son
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNLx4CU1Fxs

>>33728384

Well no. I am saying that in any war, the actual percentage of the related populations being involved is tiny. Even if you rustle up militias from every county and state, even if you discount the women and children and elderly and sick - the odds of Citizen Average ending up in a uniform or at least with an arm band is very very small.

>>33728381
I'm dumb, but why do these rockets look like their trajectories are all over the place? Is it just the air warping from heat/sonic boom that makes the illusion?

>>33728433
another new one on a T-72 tank. Just how many do they have in stock!?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBUt6-DxK5o

>>33728465
>Just how many do they have in stock!?

As many as Bulgaria and Romania have in their communist stocks.

>>33728465
Another one from today , another T-72 gone. This is a barrage of ATGMs at this point.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkGoEjC91HQ

>>33728522
i wonder if they got new ATGMs via turkey or if they're using up what they had left in an attempt to stall out the offensive

>>33728402
>The Taliban are competent.

Until they harbor planners of more large-scale attacks on US soil. Then the cycle repeats itself.

>>33728433
>>33728465
>>33728522
Turks got busy once Erdogan won

Syrians can lose a lot of tanks. Doesn't change the fact the FSA is routing.

>>33728713
weren't they willing to give osama up?

>>33728772
Bush's advisors were neocons

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>>33728539
It could be either. For the SAAs sake they better hope the rebels are expending all reminding ATGM rounds.

>mfw watching this many ATGM strikes on one front

>>33728522
Most of these look reparable

5 Star, I know you enjoy shilling, but why don't you post the video that came
out today of Nusra getting 30+ men blown to bits by a Russian strike?

>>33728782
Is there a reason the Russians aren't putting Mi-31's out there to hunt these people? The fear factor alone is huge

>>33728713
>>33728772

Both of you got it wrong. Bin Laden and AQ befriended the Pashtuns before the taliban was even invented. In all fairness he did come out of the afghan-russian war/occupation as a war hero and a CIA affiliate so the tribal leaders probably looked more to that than to some plane activities - saudi princes can normally do that.

Which does not excuse the talibans that they were happy to support AQ as well.

>>33728446
There's definitely a bit of visual distortion in play, but the guidance system is also in some ways pretty crude, it's essentially a string of "up a bit, down a bit, no up a bit more, left a bit, up a bit" corrections from the launcher as it sees the missile drifting away from the point of aim. The second video in 5star's post you linked it looks like they missed as a result of the slight deviations in course, they were quite possibly aiming for the wall in front of the guy so he got fucked up by the bulk of the blast, butt he missile happened to be at the top of a drift when it got there and just slid over the top instead. Considering it's meant to get the missile onto a tank-sized target the system is plenty good enough, it's when you start trying to nail smaller targets you're a bit more at the mercy of luck as to whether the missile will be dead on PoA or a foot or so off once it reaches the target.

>>33728805
>reparable
A cook off isn't a mobility kill. I know you want to cheerlead and saying the SAA is still on the move is fine. Let's not be delusional though.

>>33724003
It's not as in depth as the Wargame franchise, is it?

>>33728862
It's a Kornet I believe.

>>33728873
There's only one cook off out of the videos

>>33728887
I didn't mention the pick up truck full of men blown because well pick ups don't stand a chance.

>>33728772
>Which does not excuse the talibans that they were happy to support AQ as well.

That's the point. The fact that they were willing to support non-state actors looking to destabilize the region or kick America's ass is already reason to suspect that leaving the country to the Taliban is no good in the long run.

They may bring "stability" in a national sense but they've had a history of turning a blind eye on activities that sow instability everywhere else. They may no longer support Al-Qaeda, but any international faction aligned to their Salafist/Wahabist ideology will fit right at home in a Taliban-ruled Afghanistan.

>>33728822
That's a good point. Over Hama the Mi-31/Ka-52 hasn't appeared yet. There has been some Ruaf Su-25s for support along with the rest of their strike aircraft.

>>33728446
some ATGMs only have two control surfaces (so does the igla and stinger by the way), they spin to enable control in x and y axis. That results in them spiraling towards the target

>>33728968
So when will we win?

How many men needed?

How many more dead and wounded?

How much more money?

The Taliban control one third of the country and ISIS holds its own province. The situation is WORSENING, and now Russia and Iran are helping the Taliban.
Marines are sending 300 more after Sangin province just fell.
https://www.marinecorpstimes.com/articles/marines-headed-to-southern-afghanistan

We put 120,000 there already for 4 years. No fucking victory. If I was China, I'd get Pakistan to help the Taliban even more.

>>33728968

The past is the past and fairly well documented. We know where the taliban came from, their mentors, their methods, their supporters.

I am however very interested in learning what kind of future there is for the afghan taliban. Take their brothers, the pakistani taliban, who have fallen out badly with the pakistan army - although I must say the news on that frontline have been very scarce lately. How are the relations between the two T's now? Is the ISI still controlling the AT? And IS has been competing with AT for territory lately - and IS is not doing well. Will taliban simply absorb IS, or will this be impossible - compared to IS, taliban are slackers in the jihad department.

>>33729033

"win". Not possible. To Afghanistan, every foreigner showing up with a gun is a customer for their drugs, food and trinkets. If things get too shitty they just head for the mountains for a while.

>>33729067

And while an occupation army can fuck things up, they also build infrastructure while leaving the local women alone. There's always money to be made from an army with an expense account.

>>33729067
Arithmetic on the Frontier

A great and glorious thing it is
To learn, for seven years or so,
The Lord knows what of that and this,
Ere reckoned fit to face the foe -
The flying bullet down the Pass,
That whistles clear: "All flesh is grass."

Three hundred pounds per annum spent
On making brain and body meeter
For all the murderous intent
Comprised in "villainous saltpetre".
And after?- Ask the Yusufzaies
What comes of all our 'ologies.

A scrimmage in a Border Station-
A canter down some dark defile
Two thousand pounds of education
Drops to a ten-rupee jezail.
The Crammer's boast, the Squadron's pride,
Shot like a rabbit in a ride!

No proposition Euclid wrote
No formulae the text-books know,
Will turn the bullet from your coat,
Or ward the tulwar's downward blow.
Strike hard who cares - shoot straight who can
The odds are on the cheaper man.

One sword-knot stolen from the camp
Will pay for all the school expenses
Of any Kurrum Valley scamp
Who knows no word of moods and tenses,
But, being blessed with perfect sight,
Picks off our messmates left and right.

With home-bred hordes the hillsides teem.
The troopships bring us one by one,
At vast expense of time and steam,
To slay Afridis where they run.
The "captives of our bow and spear"
Are cheap, alas! as we are dear.

>>33729033

Incidentally, China has already established a foothold in Afghanistan, buying up mining rights.

>>33729109
Which they haven't developed at all because they learned first hand how shitty afghans are

Oddly enough though, they built a railroad between China and Kabul. Already raised their GDP by 20% in 2 years. China might be the key to winning or losing in Afghanistan. Depends on if they help us or hurt us there

>>33729125
they're mainly interested in stability, their intentions of building a silk road through there are real

>>33729125

China thinks decades ahead. They know what everyone knows; right now the current government floats on a sea of Western money. Once that money eventually cuts off, theres going to be a lot of palms aching for more greasing. And if there is one thing China likes it is to negotiate from a strong position. If they have the tribes in their pocket by the time taliban 'takes charge', those mines will be theirs. Many of them.

>>33729033
Then we shouldn't had involved ourselves in 1980s Afghanistan in the first place by funneling money to the mujaheddin. We should had left Pakistan to do their own dirty work and pay for their own shit.

In hindsight a Soviet-backed Afghanistan is arguable more stable, but the usual kneejerk reactions to domino theory fears and Pakistan's scummy geopolitical ambitions pretty much fucked up that prospect.

>>33729228

The mujaheddins were proxies for the West, fighting the commies on one more battlefield comfortably distanced from our own homelands. Good for them. It wasn't their fault that the Paki SIS jihadist faction took advantage of the situation. And I think the Russkis have had much opportunity to reflect on the poor choice of invading Afghanistan to prop up a weak commie govt. How many countries have done that mistake by now?

I don't care who 'runs' Afghanistan any more, to be honest. They will be weak animated dolls whoever they are. I just want my tax money to stop flowing into that shithole.

>>33729313
We had the same sentiment about no longer giving a shit after the Soviet-friendly Afghan government collapsed in 1992. But it might end up biting us in the ass just as it has with the 1993 WTC bombing, the Nairobi embassy bombing, the USS Cole bombing, 9/11, and the countless other AQ attacks that the Taliban aided in. I'm all for putting tax money to better use, but it's something to keep in mind.

>>33729417

It's honestly a question without any good answers. Taliban have done their mistakes, but in the larger perspective it isn't about Afghanistan. We have a first world, and a third world where money and power is generated from wealthy foreigners by attacking other parts of the first world. I don't think we can change that. Turn ME into an actual paradise, and jihadists start growing in Africa, South Asia, South America... We should stay away, let them fester, and keep our vigilance up and our borders tight. I don't believe in walls but I DO believe in shooting the drug smugglers at sight. I don't believe in working for regime change but I DO believe in surveillance, low key local ears, satellite pictures and make sure the spies we capture don't get to go home and report.

>>33728522
Fun fact: part of the reason they chant/shout "Allahu Ackbar" when they launch rockets/etc. is to keep their eardrums from getting fucked up from overpressure or whatever the proper term is. Many of them are unaware of this and just think they're shouting prayers as Muslims are known to do, I'm sure, but Afghan mujahideen officers talked about teaching this technique to their RPG gunners in the book "The Other Side of the Mountain: Mujahideen Tactics in the Soviet-Afghan War" (which is basically an edited compilation of interviews of mujahideen commanders who fought the Soviets, with maps drawn out with Russian military map symbols. The interviewees vary in competence). The book was written as a companion to the Frunze Academy book "The Bear Went Over the Mountain," which examines Soviet tactics, and I highly recommend both of them.

>>33729569
>Letting tribal animals spread and run third world countries to the ground
>Paradise

Only to those who wield the power through force, everyone living below that will just live like shit.

The more probable thing is constant war from unbridled tribalism and an exacerbated deluge of refugees, more Somalia's than Taliban Afghanistan's (because not every jihadist's safehaven could be propped up by a state).

Hope you're ready for a real police state.

>>33729708
>people that have been surviving against the two great powers might know something about war

>>33729313
>It wasn't their fault that the Paki SIS jihadist faction took advantage of the situation.

....

Yeah the evil ISI made the good democratic liberal freedom fighters turn into jihadis.

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>>33729727

Tribes don't spread much, actually. They are held together as a society by internal policing and family expectations. Once individuals leave for other countries they may form new groups, especially by family, but the tribal links weaken.

>>33729067
The Afghans don't respect whatever national government is in power in their country, either. They're more loyal to their qawm than anybody else, and because of this a national identity cannot be established like you have seen in countries that are even more diverse culturally but still mostly unified like the US, China, and Russia. They don't want a national identity, they don't want an Afghan national government, and they don't want foreigners telling them what to do. They're a bunch of backwards tribals, but I say leave them alone and let them have their kishlaks and tribal conflict if that's what they really want. It's going to suck for some Afghans (like the women, LGBT people, non-Muslims...) but there is no winning in Afghanistan. They can't be conquered and changed unless serious changes happen in their culture, and those changes aren't going to happen anytime soon.

>>33729727

I live in a country that attracts 'refugees' like magnet because of our living standard. We are using a lot of money on sending a lot of them back, the ones that don't qualify as asylum seekers. It works, and the recently rather more restrictive policies of our neighboring countries help too. If that makes us a police state I support it.

>>33729770
They live there

>>33729734
I never said otherwise. The Afghans are a bunch of backwater hill people, but I can respect that they stick to their beliefs and know what they're doing when it comes to fighting wars.

>>33729739

Hm? I don't recall calling the mujahedeen democratic, liberal or freedom fighters.

And the muhajedeens weren't the basis of taliban anyway. That war is 30 years ago. The taliban were built from the madras, the quoran thumping schools on the paki side of the afghan border. young men who had never seen a russian soldier. ISI funded the schools, built an organisation and let them loose. And I underline again, the jihadistic faction in ISI.

>>33729881
Historical consensus is that US support for Pakistan's training/arming efforts led directly to the rise of Jihadist factions in Afghanistan. Thanks for denying history againZ

>>33729770
So... where do you guys think ISIS's last stand is going to be? They're going to persist as a minor irritant and an underground organization for sure, but where is their conventional military might going to be crushed? I'm thinking that Raqqa is going to be taken by the Kurds and that ISIS will be fractured into small pockets of localized resistance over time. Some of these groups will probably drop the ISIS banner, too, I'd say.

>>33729911
Raqqa isn't gonna fall for a year at least, if that even happens. And their likely last stand will be in the border region between Syria and Iraq. By that point they'll be back to their guerilla tactics though

>>33729892

US gave money to Pakistan, who then funneled some of the funds into ISI, who then funneled some of the money into taliban. How does that conflict with my version? Although if you are saying that the US went knowingly to ISI and supported the building of a large organization of islamic fanatics in order to conquer Afghanistan where the US already had secured power with the then regime, I am interested in hearing more.

>>33729911

No last stand. They will already have moved vital resources to Dubai or similar, establishing sleeper cells for years ahead. Then there will be a name change or three and we won't hear of them again and know it is them. At best we might recognize their methods and tools, but five years from now many will be using them.

3 additional F-35's will be delivered to Israel tomorrow.

http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Three-F-35-stealth-fighter-jets-to-arrive-in-Israel-on-Sunday-488449

>>33729911
>Raqqa is going to be taken by the Kurds
It might happen eventually given the even lower chance of SAA getting that far in time, but by that point IS will be dead as a conventional standing force already and the Kurds will just be strolling in to pick off stragglers. Don't forget they're well out of 'their' lands now and are fighting purely for political point scoring rather than what they view as their homelands, accordingly they are taking their time over everything since they (quite rightly) attach far less importance to the current fight than they did when they were actually fighting for their homes. Look at how long Tabqa is taking since they don't feel any need to be aggressive in trying to force IS out, and that's nothing compared to Raqqa.

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>>33729881
>>33729892
You're both right. Foreign support for Pakistani efforts to train and arm the mujahideen led to the rise of the Taliban, but the mujahideen who fought the Soviets aren't necessarily Taliban. A large portion of them actively fought the Taliban in the 90s. During the 80s, the ISI funneled most foreign aid from the West and the Persian Gulf states to the most fundamentalist groups. Maoist groups for instance, which were a tiny minority of Mujahideen, received practically no aid from Pakistan. The Peshawar Seven parties didn't really integrate into the Taliban (there are some exceptions, naturally), although they did lose portions of their less loyal supporters when the Taliban started winning. However, groups like Jamiat i-Islami, Hezb i-Islami Khalis, and Hezb i-Islami Hikmatyar, and Dostum's militias actively fought the Taliban. So yes, US support was sent via Pakistan, and the jihadi leadership in the ISI made sure to funnel said support to fundamentalists. Financial support (mostly from the US and Saudi Arabia) was often used by the ISI to fund jihadi madrasas, and the Pakistanis made a business out of buying captured materiel from Afghan fighters who would sell what they received when convoy loot was divided up to provide for their families. Then the ISI would send said materiel to more fundamentalist groups. US financial and material aid definitely helped the rise of the Taliban, but the Taliban would never have become what they did if the ISI weren't actively funneling American money to the proto-Taliban Islamists.

>>33729770
IS is in more trouble south of zone 3 with both the US backed FSA and SAA advancing in various parts of the desert. In terms of zone 1, besides Raqqa, it's their last retreat point after abandoning northern Syria.
The SAA put the Jirah airbase battle on hold while IS has been quiet around Khanassir. One of these days either could blow up with IS losing the airfield to the SAA or attacking the SAA Aleppo artery.

>>33728437
Why would everyone fight?

Farmers, laborers, craftsmen still need to work to keep the country running and fueling the war effort. Much more important than having bodie in uniform

>>33728875
You got it backwards buddy, Wargame isn't in depth at all and focuses much more on the macro than the micro.

For example in wargame all tank shells are a general type that have ap/he value. But in Syrian warfare tanks have actual ammo of hef/heat/ap that you need to manage depending on the target.

The game is closer to men of war than wargame

>>33728805
This faggot is a closet-Daesh shill.

He only ever posts FSA / Daesh gains, kills and news.

Dont think much about him.

>>33728979
Mи-31 ??

For being a fucking general you sure do know your helicopters you piece of shit )))

SHILL HARDER

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>>33733619
It is what it is. Rebels went all out yesterday with ATGMs and a quick retreat out of Helfaya now. It was worth posting even if the SAA shrugged it off.

Other than that not much else other than Qabon fighting this morning.

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>>33735658
Latest SAA photo from the entrance to the city.

>>33730022
>Look at how long Tabqa is taking since they don't feel any need to be aggressive in trying to force IS out
Because it's a siege my dude, why would they blindly charge into this city that had a 20k larger pre-war population than Al-bab. But yeah the only reason they're pushing southwards is for the negotiation table and because the US says so.

>>33735658
So the FSA offensive completely failed.

Is this proof that the FSA is strategically dead? After all that they couldn't hold their ground.

>>33730041
Thanks anon

Pakistan was a mistake.

>>33733645
>>33735658
Not answering this one are we now ?

Is this Mi-31 some wonder weapon ??

>>33727279
>Not with russian tanks. Most of them suffer a complete internal burnout when the ammo cooks off, even going so far as to pop the turret off. At that point its easier to build a new tank then repair that one.
And this is different from any tank except for the T-14 and Abrams?

>Also remember in this war most tanks get abandoned while still in working order, for example the T-90 HTS captured had simply run out of gas, but the SAA abandoned it. There was a meme a while ago:
Tracks got thrown off, while the turret drive got damaged actually. I doubt they'd just leave it because it ran out of gas. Imean how easy is it to just refill it on site?

>>33725677
>So don't the vast majority of the damagwed tanks get repaired?
yes, they do. tanks are really hard to destroy without an outright fuel or ammo fire to help the process.

>Also, why don't they have a machine gunner on top? I never see it even though every Abrams has one. They always have infantry able to just run up to them and blow it up at close range. There's no secondary gun fire, just the cannon
Easy way to loose a crew from snipers. Infantry support from outlying covers with the tank and possible enemy firing positions within firing line is what its at.

>And why does no one use humvees/Gaz Russian version? The best are these shitty toyota technicals.
5th legion uses GAZ vodniks.

>A group of humvees/Gaz would wreck ass in East Aleppo/Palmyra/Daraa province. (Generation Kill memories).
No they won't. Not with the concentration of ATGMs and HMGs all over the place.

What is a Mi-31?

>>33736122
Bro I mixed up the Mi-28 heli and Mi-31 airplane. 5 Star did as well. It's not a big deal

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>>33736690
>Mi-31 airplane
Foxhound? Did the Russian actually deliver?

>>33727804
ATGMs aint supersonic. You would hear them just a few seconds before impact. Loads of infantry hit vids where you can see the dudes scatter before getting atgmd

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>>33737054

Hear this!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acALicb8MDQ

>>33732689

Well, the discussion was regarding a conflict where 'everyone' would get to fight. My argument was that this never actually happens.

>>33730022
>>33735998
Tabqa actually had 70,000+ pre war pop and is fairly similar to Manbij in size. Don't know what planet you're on if you think their Tabqa operation is taking abnormally long, it's actually the opposite.

>>33728373
Yes he's back in the US now after doing his minimum 6 months.

>>33726601
>And YPG and YPJ aren't fighting with their backs to the wall any more and investing in foreigner volunteer fighters is costing too much compared with the propaganda value they give. I can't really think of anyone else.
This is untrue, YPG is always open to foreign fighters.

Just on the Tabqa front, I've seen the following nationalities among YPG:

Japanese
Chinese
American
Canadian
French
Spanish
Swedish
Bolivian
Finnish

>>33737203

Maybe I have gotten the wrong impression of YPG lately. Do you have available any recent photos of these internationals in the combat area?

Small nibble from Yemen yesterday. A shipment of mines blew up in an ammo dump in Aden. Report says 7 dead and 15 wounded.

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>>33736090
>Is this proof that the FSA is strategically dead?
The FSA isn't strategically dead until Turkey and Co. decide to pull the plug and there is no hope of Israel or the US to pull a fast one on Putin and assassinate Assad.

According to Syrian authorities, SAA now has captured Halfaya.

Same sources say SAA is progressing in the rebel held Qaboun district in Damascus. SOHR reports of heavy fighting.

>>33737218
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1cf4tDOAXs

https://twitter.com/StrugleOfKurds/status/854163714299367424

https://twitter.com/kovandire/status/852915137728086018

https://twitter.com/dihaberturkce/status/848799471731343360

https://twitter.com/soder_jesper

etc

>>33736690
A 5 star general shouldnt do that now, should he ? speaks everything about him

>>33706883
Doing a fine job at that I must say

>>33737404

Thank you. Clearly the YPG remains international. Ironically I could only understand the Al Jazeera clip.

>>33736212
Russian tanks almost always have autoloaders, and these autoloaders store the ammo standing (vertical) in a carousel rack in / around the turret ring, sticking out both above and below it. Literally any penetration to the general middle of the tank is almost assured to strike a shell, possibly multiple ones, and either cause the HE filling to pop or the propellant to start rapidly burning off, toasting everyone.

Even the Sherman tanks in WW2 were eventually (I think around 1943 / early 44) upgraded with "wet" ammo racks, which was inherited throughout the following western tank generations. You need a person to pick up and load those shells though. Russians abandoned this in favor of saving one crewmember per tank via autoloader.

SAA capped Halfaya apparently

Curious how far they want to push before turning their attention back to Palmyra or Eastern Aleppo

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hhVieUrwBs
>50 minutes of door-to-door ISF fighting in Yarmouk, Mosul.

Rate their combat tactics, /k/.

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>>33733619

I wonder if it's a crime to publish pro-Jihad propaganda. Pretty sure you can walk up and kill these types of people, there's a vigilante clause that makes them exempt.

>>33738207

Looks like they've started to function at least with a semblance of effectiveness.

Maybe all the dead weight and the fat nepotism officers were killed off by now only allowing those with a bit of combat intuition and fitness to carry on the fight.

>>33728731

>FSA

lolwut

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>>33738620
the camo of the guy behind the heads doesn't look like that of the SAA... Which group is that supposed to be?

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>>33738620

Those T-62Ms are beautiful instruments of war. Good to see them get a new lease on life.

5 star is a polite sneaky jew that jacks off to jihadist gains
Ive been saying it for years. Also, a fuckton of literal jews and terrorist enablers flooded to /k/ when /pol/sg kicked them out, there are flags there and they are clearly cheering for Assad and the SAA and Russia.
/k/ on the other hand, well not all of it but most will jack of furiously when something bad happens to Russia. So the scum found refuge here. You can notice them when they write 'regime/mafia/invader tank/vehicle kissed by ATGM' and then they put a video of it, in arabic.
Most of them were crying when Aleppo was liberated. They will cry some more. Hopefully after sg/ coordinates a 3rd one.

>>33738971

Wouldn't it be faster for you to say that you are right and everyone else are *insert derogatory term here*?

>>33738971
We get it dude, anyone who doesn't openly cheerlead for your favorite faction is a jihadishillcuckxyzd.

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>>33737730
This is the whole thing in a nutshell. Rebels only a speedbump for the SAA's push with large formations. They did manage to capture a T-72 north of Halfaya along with two more TOW strikes.
>>33738971
Here is what I am looking at right now. A IS attack by the Palmyra silos killed 10 SAA and 4 were captured. Is it cheering on IS to point out they attack the Palmyra silos damn near everyday or should I omit it?
Picture is Tiger forces general Suheil al-Hassan walking around Halfaya.

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is it true that here on /k/ you root for the obama's moderate beheaders?

>>33739755

There's a few Mudslimes on here with Jihadist sympathies and the occasional pro-Israeli ARFCOM oldfag, but by and large, no, it's clear that Assad and Russia are on the right side of history.

>>33739040

>The Jihadist cause is right

Listen, why don't you adopt Sharia first, to prove that your side is right.

>>33740343

>MUH USA USA USA USA

And why do you believe that being against one group means that someone is supporting the other side?

>>33740615

Because that's the inevitable result you mongoloid.

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>>33739755
>rooting for any side other than the Kurds

>>33741532
>rooting for commies
Good goy patriotard

>>33741560

>Implying you have even the vaguest clue what a communist looks like

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>>33741605

Well, here's a classic. IS has ambushed a group of Iraqi Army - IA? - soldiers in western Iraq. Ten dead is the report so far, which adds that the IS guys were wearing IA uniforms and sneaked in on the IS guys under cover of a sandstorm.

>>33740329
Nice try Bashir.