Remington 870 / Shotgun general

>>33696670
all of that stuff should still be just fine.
/thread

File: HicksAliens.jpg (24KB, 800x432px) Image search: [Google]

24KB, 800x432px

Family wants to buy me a shotgun somewhere around $500 for my birthday. What are you favorites in that price range?

>>33696670
Of course it's good. It would be good in 100 years just the same. Go enjoy your gun silly and buy some more guns

>>33696769
Remington 870 wing master or police magnum, avoid 870 express. This is the one that I had for year and never ever any issues. Other anons with mossberg experience can probably say good things about those as well

>>33696670
If it's from 17 years ago then it should be from when Remington was still good, so yeah it should be just fine.

>>33696769
Mossberg 590A1 can be had for that and is a REALLY nice scattergat.

>>33696769
My favorite shotgun in a Remington 1100, although it's from like 1970 when they were much better.

Nowadays, I'd think you'd be better off with Mossberg if you like the looks of them. If you want an over/under, I'd go with CZ (might be like ~$600, not sure).

>>33696814
>>33697647
>>33697669
Taken into consideration, thanks.

File: enhanced-26870-1418159305-14.jpg (89KB, 625x469px) Image search: [Google]

89KB, 625x469px

>>33696670
>My very liberal grandparents bought an 870 for Y2K
>Y2K
Were you old enough to tell them that's not how Y2K works? I understand this was before humanity understood the power of meme magic, but still.

File: 15z_CZDrake_R_06092_06093.png (117KB, 1920x489px) Image search: [Google]

117KB, 1920x489px

>>33696769https://www.amazon.com/
CZ Drake

>>33698095
damn you amazon stay out of my posts

File: oujkQi8.jpg (868KB, 1920x1080px) Image search: [Google]

868KB, 1920x1080px

Sup

>>33696670
12 gauges are great, 20 gauges can be a real pain to reassemble.

>>33698424
What's the difference between the two as far as layouts/components?

>>33698347
Better?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQR21EcH8Rs

File: 0907161226.jpg (813KB, 2048x1350px) Image search: [Google]

813KB, 2048x1350px

The older 870s are where it's at. I inherited this old son of a whore when my neighbor passed away. She kept it next to her bed since she bought it in the 80s. She never shot it and had a couple hundred rounds sitting around that I got to blast through. The 870 is a great shotgun in my opinion.

>>33696670
Yea, 870s are still the king of pump-shotguns.

>>33698470
What a fucking pussy.

>>33696814

and bad things.

I love mossbergs, they're less prone to malfunction than rems, but if you drop them just right the feeding ramp pops out.

and the mavericks are impossible to repair if you break the trigger assembly.

I'm going to get a semiauto next, but a cheapie. probably an ATI.

>>33696769
I really like my Benelli Nova. They start at like $450. I can't say enough about my early 80s 870 wingmaster either, but as far as I know they are over budget unless you can find a good used one. The main thing I would suggest is that you pick one in 12 gauge with interchangeable chokes. You'll get more versatility out of it.

File: 1487130753355.jpg (49KB, 1024x673px) Image search: [Google]

49KB, 1024x673px

>>33697669
>Remington 1100

>>33698516
No they're not, current 870s are dogshit.

>>33698747
Yea, this opinion is only prevalent on /k/, if u go outside of here you will see nothing but praise for the 870.

I have such a boner for the old winchester shotguns.

My dad gave me his Winchester 1200 and cycles like butter. I also shot a Model 12 with a polychoke last weekend and it was fucking great.

File: tree_camo.jpg (979KB, 2272x1704px) Image search: [Google]

979KB, 2272x1704px

>>33696670
>shotgun general
HERE WE GO

File: Model870-Wingmaster.jpg (157KB, 3564x610px) Image search: [Google]

157KB, 3564x610px

>>33698838
Not exactly true, Current Remington arms has it's QC criticized out of /k/ a fair bit. It's possible to get a decent 870 new to my knowledge, but the express line is trash for the asking price.

>>33698918
The Model 12 and 1200/1300 are great fucking shotguns. It's a shame they aren't produced anymore.

>>33696875
esstac sidesaddle?

>>33698747
>>33698838
Honestly Remington's QC is shit and has been shit in recent years. You could get an older remington, but then again there are a lot of older options too that are just as good. If you wanted something new Mossberg is a better alternative

>>33698747
I feel like this has just been circle jerk ed enough here that everyone thinks it's true.

>>33698983
What's incorrect in the statement?

I'm glad this thread popped up I was just looking for something nice to keep at home and have fun with target practice when I move into the new apartment, but I live in Shit Jersey so my options are limited. I was looking at the 870 express HD tactical at dick's sporting goods just to get a basis on the cost, any suggestions?

>>33699458
Gonna be my first firearm as well if that makes any difference

I bought an express last year, was a little rough and sometimes target load would stick in the chamber. I smoothed out the chamber with some very fine sand paper and after 1000ish rounds of target load the action is very smooth.

It takes a bit of breaking in but mine has been very enjoyable

>>33698448
Aside from the guns that are just 20 barrels on 12 receivers, absolutely nothing

>>33698630
Say a SBS 1100 at a gun show once. One of the most bonerific things I've seen

>>33698838
No, people that haven't purchased a shotgun in 20 years praise it. The whole damn Internet knows what happened in 07

>>33698095
is this the recommended over/under for cheap?

File: nido_Remington.jpg (80KB, 960x720px) Image search: [Google]

80KB, 960x720px

Here's my old Wingmaster in 12 gauge.

I've got an 18.5" and 26" barrel for it and have always used in for hunting. If I ever buy a Browning Auto 5 then I'll buy a +2 magazine tube for my 870.

File: 870.jpg (2MB, 2700x1250px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 2700x1250px

>>33703139
I found out after the fact when I bought my 870 tactical that aftermarket barrels won't fit it :(
Oh well, I bought this gun mostly for social work anyway.

File: 1490804512636.png (177KB, 664x520px) Image search: [Google]

177KB, 664x520px

>>33703139
nice looking gun

File: rem870fps.jpg (59KB, 960x720px) Image search: [Google]

59KB, 960x720px

>>33703174
Mine aren't aftermarket, the Wingmaster was bought as a kit with both factory barrels and early enough that it was before Remington began factory-dimpling the mag tubes to prevent extensions.

>>33703197
Thanks friendo! I like autoloaders enough I'll probably end up with one though.

>>33703002
cmon, someone recommend me a break gun

File: ou1.jpg (88KB, 640x853px) Image search: [Google]

88KB, 640x853px

>>33703375
I had a Stoeger Condor for a while and it was a nice gun for the $300 I paid.

If I were in the market for one today I'd get a Franchi Instinct

Any of you dudes have experience with Baikal side by sides? I bought one on a whim for 225 bucks but I can't pick it up for a while. From what I've read it seems to be a solid gun for the price.

>>33698838
Because lots of people buy a shotgun and shoot maybe one box of shells a year then put it in a closet.
Some people did this decades ago, when Remington was still doing good shit.

So yeah, good or bad, lots of people never find out, just so happen that recent 870s are fucking junk and people who don't know better still parrot what they heard coming from people owning the old good ones.

For what it's worth, I see plenty of bitching about shitty fitting and manufacturing, rust and broken extractors, outside of 4chan.
I'd personally rather spend my money on a Chinese clone.

>>33699458
Don't get the 870 Express, get a Mossberg 500 or 590, or an Ithaca M37

Maybe an old Winchester 1200, or a 1300, if you like Duke Nukem.

did mossberg change their bolts for a more subdued color? my really old one is stainless.

Was Y2K the real reason your family bought that?
I can't imagine any scenario where Y2K would lead to a SHTF scenario
Unless if misinformation and/or stupidity was THAT bad back then

>>33696769

Mossberg 835. It's a beefed up mossberg 500 with a removable choke. The advantage is that it can shoot normal 2 3/4" shells as well as 3 1/2" shells that are just short of 10 guage in energy/shot count. Also, if you handload you can make your own skeet loads with a ridiculous amount of shot compared to smaller shells. Yes I cheat while doing friendly skeet shooting sometimes because it's fun.

2 3/4" 00 buckshot 9 pellets
3 1/2" 00 buckshot is 18 pellets


Also, 3 1/2" steel BB shot has around the same energy at the muzzle as a 300 win mag but it loses energy fast. That being said, I still managed to kill a running rabbit at 30 yards with a single BB (the rest missed) that penetrated all the way through the heart and out the other side.

The only draw backs I've noticed with it are that you have to rack it a bit faster/harder to cycle sometimes rather than as slow as you want with the 500 and that the length of pump travel is like an inch longer to accommodate the extra shell length. I didn't notice the extra inch until someone brought it up to me much later though but it would make it slower to operate if you're doing 3 gun or something.

>>33696670

Yes it's up there with the GOAT of pump action shotguns being the mossberg 500, 590, and the remington 870 which have been used by police, militaries, and sportsmen around the world. Make sure you look up how to clean it or it will rust away.

>>33698838
Bullshit. I bought a new one on a sale, so did my friend. Both were rusting within a day of removing them from the box. The finish on the newer guns is absolute trash, looks rough on the inside as well.

>>33706731
just the express model right? I cant imagine the police model being shit without coppers going crazy online.

What about the wingmaster?

>>33698838
I know real people, Old peope even. they too hate modern remington

"its just not what it used to be"

that being said they also think their 1986 remington 700 is god's gift to bolt actions

>>33706756

The 700 platform is still one of the best platforms to build a long range rifle on. That being said, I'm only really using their brand of receiver

>>33706685
Breh, people thought society as we knew it would just completely colapse.

In reality, really only a few things ended up happening; some clocks and timers would think it was 1900 and maybe not work as they should, for instance some VCRs couldn't have their time set anymore so you couldn't record tapes with them anymore (but could still play them).
And every system where the time and date really mattered was in the progress of being updated as this became general knowledge.

This of course didn't stop lots of people to think that it would somehow cause a global nuclear war. I guess it was the 2012 Mayan Calendar shit of it's day, except maybe less retarded (arguably).

>>33696670
>From 17+ years ago
That's one of the good Remingtons Anon, keep it as long as you can

>>33706756
An 86' made 700 is probably quite alright, but I always disliked how they would silver solder or braze the bolt-handle onto the bolt, various aftermarket fixes exist for that, like staking the handle in place, or buying a Ruger M77 instead.

>>33706783
Well it has a big aftermarket, but I can't wait for the design to become public domain so a competent company can copy the rifle but make it not shitty like current Remington, then you can build your own boltgun from the ground up and it's good.

A bit like how Colt no longer has dibs on the AR15 and everyone does a better job than them.

>>33706740
I remember an anon from here making a video where he drunkenly swears about the extractor on his shearing off when pumping it, make of that what you will.

File: 1492501319654.jpg (527KB, 791x791px) Image search: [Google]

527KB, 791x791px

>>33707081

I wonder if remington could make more money if they'd allow you to make your own rifle on the their site and just pumped out receivers, bolts, and FCGs instead of repairing their tooling for everything else. By the time their patent expired they'd have the market cornered with their cheaper parts and keep the competition out.

The kind of popularity that would come with a rifle you can build exactly how you want from dozens of brands at a low cost and maybe even have an option to put it together in their factory might make it the AR15 of bolt guns. For those too lazy or uninformed to build their own they could always still offer complete rifles using other company's parts. A cheap base tacticool model with a magpul stock+magpul AI magazine bottom metal could cost a buyer $500, be a sub-moa gun with factory loads, and still make remington a lot of money now and well after the patent expires.

Im bored right now, I might try to pitch the idea to them in a letter, maybe I'll get lucky and they won't send it straight to the trash.

File: 20170408_164846.jpg (1MB, 2560x1440px) Image search: [Google]

1MB, 2560x1440px

So, I just bought a KSG. Any love or thoughts on that thaaang?

>>33708255
1) try your hardest to stop being a faggot, I believe in you.
2) KSGs are great, but get some irons or an optic at least. Standard AR15 height works best. You'll also want to pick up the extended selector lever, makes a world of difference. Aluminum followers are a good idea but not really necessary. I put a limbsaver on mine as recoil is stout, makes it much more pleasant to shoot. Also consider the choke adapter for it, turns birdshot from a novelty into a serious ass reamer.

File: 50659-catalog.jpg (42KB, 835x196px) Image search: [Google]

42KB, 835x196px

So, I have this burning desire to purchase a mossberg shockwave. I already own a 590, but like the idea of something that compact for the cramped hallways of my house or for possible standoffs from my vehicle or the alleys by my property. Talk me out of it before I'm stuck with this thing.

>>33709305
KSG is shorter and not nearly as useless.

I'm thinking of buying a Benelli Supernova after handling my brother's Nova.
Is there anything particularly bad about it, or are there better options for a pump action?

File: indoor_shooty.jpg (887KB, 2272x1704px) Image search: [Google]

887KB, 2272x1704px

>>33696670

>>33709305
You can put the same grip on your 590 and only be like, 2 and a half inches longer assuming you're using an 18.5 inch barrel.

That's like, $20 for a grip as opposed to $500 for a new gun. Do the math.

>>33709928
My 590 has a 20" barrel. The shockwave has a 14".

>>33699458
>>33699469
Just picked up a maverick 88 (mossberg 500) for $198. It will be a HD gun that I don't mind sticking behind the door or next to the couch.

>>33698521
Well he's a fucking leaf, so

>>33698516
Yeah, a morbidly obese king with severe gout and erectile dysfunction who's permanently bedridden.

Still the king, technically.

>>33709476
Supernovas are really nice. There are better shotguns out there and there are definitely worse. But I think the supernova hits the sweet spot.

File: tru_prep.jpg (1014KB, 2272x1704px) Image search: [Google]

1014KB, 2272x1704px

>>33696670
bump

>>33712953
>not shitting with your gun in a low ready position

Im currently looking for a single shot 10/8 gauge shotgun, hopefully chambered for slugs for sport shooting/taking to the range/home defense, I have no clue were to start though

>>33696769
Benelli Nova/Supernova for sure. I love my shorty Supernova.

File: IMG_20161212_112117045.jpg (2MB, 3232x2424px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 3232x2424px

Posting best OTB shotgun on the planet

>>33714405
>No sling
>gimmicky muzzle brake
Is it at least a folder?

File: IMG_20170104_220127014.jpg (2MB, 2424x3232px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 2424x3232px

>>33714500
Yep and it comes with sling fittings on it. I put a surplus AK sling on it.

Also takes drums

File: 1437237584416.png (82KB, 331x251px) Image search: [Google]

82KB, 331x251px

>got a brand new 870 Express today
>read this thread

>>33714613
Buy a new machined extractor, take a good look at your chamber too. The surface finish should be extremely shiny, if it isn't, find a local gunsmith that isn't an idiot, it's a simple job to polish it up a little. The stock extractor is MIM junk.

After that, you'll have a reliable shotgun. It won't be smooth like an old 870 but it'll work.

File: 20160913_184445.jpg (2MB, 3264x1836px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 3264x1836px

>>33714537
>it comes with sling fittings
I'm aware, so put a sling on it.

>Also takes drums
Also privy to that, m8.
I keep slugs in mine.
50oz of get off my lawn ready to go.

>>33714625
MIM isn't bad, Remington trying to do MIM is what's bad.

>>33709390
Every review I have ever seen on the KSG basically says, "this is a novel concept, but I wouldn't trust my life to it because it doesn't always work and its banged together out of recycled bottles by the retarded monkeys at the Kel Tec factory."

So I'll take my chances with a proven design rather than a Kel Tec toy.

>>33716207
Right. Here's another review from someone who owns one: That's all bullshit and they're good to go, and all those dipshits are the ones who never realized you have to finish the last quarter inch of pump travel to kick out the next shell and threw a fit because they didn't do it right.

>>33716277
It physically breaks. It's just not as inherently reliable a design as the mossberg. It's also rediculously overpriced.

Stop shilling kel tec garbage.

>>33716291
No it doesn't, it's a pump shotgun and will only fuck up if you fuck up, and if you think $700 is expensive you're in the wrong hobby.

Stop throwing shade on something you've never even held.

>>33716703
Pump shotguns are not mythical, indestructable objects. They break, and a KSG is more prone to breaking than guns half the price.

>>33717997
More robust than you will ever need it to be unless you have a habit of giving it the Pinochet treatment.

File: 870more_models.jpg (51KB, 600x346px) Image search: [Google]

51KB, 600x346px

If one were to get a new Remington, which is the most adequate purchase?

>>33719815
Wingmaster or police

>>33722312
Thank you.