post homemade guns

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>>33692728
Is that a cheek riser as a stock?

>>33692728
i like it

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not a shooty but here

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>>33692728

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>>33693040

>>33692804
Okay, anon, that is quite possibly the sexiest revolver ever of all time.

Are you working on upscalong that to .357 or something?
Please try, and then post blueprints wen you've got it worked out.

Of course, this IS if this is actually machinistbro.

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>>33693051
(forgive the Molon Labia. Luty did good work)

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>>33693040
In practice. A whole batch of these were confiscated by police in Sydney in 2014, a Jeweler was producing dozens of them for Biker gangs, among other things.

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>>33693076

>>33692804
Damn that looks good. Would buy in .38

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>>33693092

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>>33693107
Homemade shotgun pt.2

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>>33693125
Good lord, that's awful. Put it out of its misery.

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>>33693125
Sten internals + parts

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>/k/ missed the 3d printing train

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>>33693163
Owen parts (for reference)

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>>33693163
>>33693176
without measurements these are useless

>this is totally not how to give that ar you lose in a boating accident a fun switch

>>33693006
This makes the Liberator look like the Mona Lisa.

>>33693181

That's pretty sexy.

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>>33692728

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Commencing dump.

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>>33693224
Straya has an unbelievably large not-quite-legal gun scene. That's probably one of the better examples, mostly it ranges from "hand grenades" to "oh god what the fuck is that".

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>>33693246
Another example of the better ones, confiscated by the cops unfortunately. I have a whole folder of this shit, it's the easiest way to end the gun control debates, simply show people they can't actually be controlled.

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>>33693264

>>33693275
Post a few examples?

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>>33693279

>>33693181
The front sight is too wide, but otherwise, I'd pay $ for that.

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>>33693285
I have been.

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>>33693300
This may or may not actually be a non-firing prop. Not sure.

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>>33693318

>>33693300
That looks really good.

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>>33693331
Not exactly homemade, but damn.

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>>33693345

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Imagine digging this up in your back yard.

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>>33693359

>>33693300
That's hot

>>33693181
Hypothetically, if I were to ask just what this is and how one might figure how to make something similar, what answer would I get?

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>>33693370

>>33693378
its a test gun some silencer company made to test their suppressors

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>>33693381

>>33693384
Oh. I guess I'll just copy that furniture and slap in on a STEN I guess. Hypothetically speaking of course.

>>33692728
>homemade full auto SBR
MODS!

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>>33693392

>>33693378

At its core, it's just a sten.
It's a blowback tube gun, its just stylized a lot by someone who took their time to turn out a quality firearm

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>>33693433

>>33693441

goddamn, even the hammer he's holding looks poorly made

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>>33693441

>>33693327
fuckin hell, does that actually work?

>>33693452
I wouldn't want to be the one to find out.

>>33692728

Just found this guy a few days ago, he makes fucking sick guns

He's got like 15 grand of professional tooling though, so the kind of stuff he makes isn't exactly accessible to the average garage tinkerer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uHuH9zDDBk

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>>33693451

Goys. You know I'm watching all of you. Right?

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>>33693475
Made by Jamaican anon

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>>33693507

>>33693476
Yes uncle schlomo

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>>33693513

>>33693507
>Jamaican anon
who?

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>>33693531

>>33693537

Some anon that posted a thread about building a slam fire shotgun. He lives in Jamaica
iirc the thread was like 1-2 years ago

>>33693555
>a thread about building a slam fire shotgun
Got caps?
Also nice trips

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>>33693537
Idfk, an anon who was from jamaica? Made a thread about putting the thing together, posted a gif of himself firing it. Come to think of it, I have that gif.

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>>33693544

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>>33693578

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>>33693587

>>33693564

Nah, I didn't bother
It wasn't a super exciting thread. It's a slam fire pipe shot gun that he ziptied to a stock.
iirc he found some shot shells somewhere and wanted a way to fire them. he was asking about how to make new ones

>>33693507
Actually, im from Puerto Rico. Nice to see someone saved that picture.

>>33693601
You gonna do another instructional thread? Maybe revisit Pipe Shotguns?

>>33693601
Also what finish do you use on the furniture on >>33693507 ?

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>>33693597

>>33693601
Ayy lmao. Run out of shells yet?

>>33693621

not him, but im pretty sure that's an air rifle stock

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>>33693634
Made by Nigerian villagers to fend of Boko Haram.
Image dump over.

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>>33693613
I have another wooden stock of Better quality, but i haven't looked for a proper pipe i can use as barrel. The one i had, i bent it using it as lever to change a tyre.

>>33693621
That was a stock from a chinese .117 pellet rifle.

>>33693689
Well when you do find a pipe, get to posting. I've been waiting for a good occasion to try out making a pipe shotgun.
Would any old steel plumbing pipe work so long as it has the right diameter and isn't rusted to shit?

>>33693701
>try out making a pipe shotgun.
hypothetically of course

>>33693648
Lol. Not really. Haven't shot it since i made that video. Once i made sure it worked properly i put it away just for home defense.

A few months ago my mom thought she heard someone creeping around the house at night, i strapped a small LED flashlight to the barrel and went outside. Luckily it was a false alarm.

>>33693705

why hypothetically?
Its plenty legal, provided that the overall length is greater than 26"

>>33693847
Because I'm not taking chances and I like having an intact black cherry.

>>33693566
Here's the original video

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSqtp4YbndE&spfreload=10

>>33693897
>flinches like a bitch
>gets a smacc in the face
yeah, nice bro.

>>33693275
Leader T2 or am I a retard?

>>33693170
that is a very optimistic set of speed loaders. That removable barrel is good for about one shot, maybe more most likely less. The frame itself usually breaks in under 5 rounds

>>33693476
You fucking perv, stop peering at me from the bathroom window while I jack off!

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Would anyone like blueprints?

>>33693926
Well, That was My first time shooting a firearm.
Lost my shooter's virginity to a gun I made with my own hands. That's pretty awesome.

>>33692956
not a shooty but this looks like a huge butt plug

>>33693955
That's when it's firing .357. It can fire .38 special just fine.

>>33693051
Hands broken and lost my pinky finger, but at least I killed a guy.

>>33693701
>I've been waiting for a good occasion to try out making a pipe shotgun.
Would any old steel plumbing pipe work so long as it has the right diameter and isn't rusted to shit?
at least you'll pick up a cool nickname stumpy

if you're a tard you'll get standard welded pipe and it will blow up in your hand... or best case go off a few times before the "barrel" bulges and force fits itself to the pipe it's nested in.

If you are slightly smart you'll get some black pipe thats pressure rating while several thousand PSI below the proper saami specs for a 12ga will at least handle high brass birdshot with a reasonable level of safety Mr. Bubba

Or if you aren't an idiot you'll buy a shotgun barrel blank for $20 like I did off numrich that actually can be turned into a safe firearm. Make a cobray terminator clone or philipine guerilla slambang

>>33693991
>firing .357 out of a 1/2" wall thickness plastic barrel
WEW FUCKING LAD
that is literally a pipe bomb. with low pressure .38 cowboy loads you might get 10 shots off before the frame cracks along a print line. no one has managed to make a 3d printed gun that takes advantage of a steel barrel, normal springs, and metal reinforcements placed in the print because of the "muh 3D print a gun anywhere" meme for trying to cram the square peg of additive manufacturing into anything other than the square hole of rapid prototyping.

the bastard child of a marigold glock kit and a 3D printed gun will be the first step to actually making 3D printing viable
>buy kit or make kit from plan for sheet metal parts you can make/finish with a dremel
>serialized part is the frame you make yourself on your 3d printer
>end up with something that looks like a ruger sr9/kahr

>>33693987
>Lost my shooter's virginity to a gun I made with my own hands

that's like saying you lost your virginity because you jerked off with a warm banana peel

>>33693040
Is there a 2nd page to this? For the bolt?

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>>33694057
Sometimes I think most of this board is stuck in 2011. This shit isn't even a theory anymore, it's old news.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rzw-TFVbMM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zz8mlB1hZ-o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAvLdAXHZ-I

>>33694125
>first video
.38s
still breaks

it is a shitty design that could be easily improved by the use of a barrel liner and not making the frame so fucking skinny at the muzzle where it always delaminates.

>>33694087
dont think so, heres a link to a hilarious kitten picture instead

https://www.scribd.com/doc/234653552/The-Box-Tube-MAC-11-Practical-Scrap-Metal-Small-Arms-Vol-2-pdf

>>33694135
First video it broke with a .357.

>>33694083
You jelly, bro?

Btw my first fuck would make /b/ envious

>>33694144
and others have made that open source design, which always break along a print line, after a brief diet of anything going down it's disposable barrels

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I'll dump some before I go to bed

>>33694162
>Btw my first fuck would make /b/ envious
what was his name and how feminine was his penis?

not having a father to take you out shooting when you turned ~8 isn't something to be proud of.

>>33692728
Hello, ATF

pipe guns and rifles are so Fallout tier

get some class

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>>33694256
Ok.

>>33694181
>how feminine was his penis?
Lol, what a newfag.

>>33693279
Block: Perfection

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>ITT

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>>33694468
>things you post every thread

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Now pneumatic for your pleasure.

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>>33692728
>this whole thread

>>33693327
>>33693452
>>33693460
That's the "bigun" from the videogame "Metro: Last Light. The weapon was added by the community in a contest, the guy who created the design proved that it worked in real life.

Here are the blueprints.

http://metrovideogame.wikia.com/wiki/Bigun?file=3696557.jpg

>>33693327
>>33693452
>>33693460

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>>33695173
better quality

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>>33692728

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/03/31/building-simple-break-barrel-shotgun-scratch/

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>>33695180

Plan templates:

http://www22.zippyshare.com/v/DiwWKvDl/file.html

>>33693275
Would purchase/10

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>>33693246
>not-quite-legal
That's an understatement.

>>33693948
>Leader T2
It certainly looks similar. I actually came into this thread to ask a question very much related.

Is there any practical way to cut a chamber to fit locking lugs without a mill? Assuming a triangular bolt for ease of manufacture.

Otherwise, maybe the easiest way is to lock it into the receiver frame, kinda like the roller delay system in the CETME, but as a gas system...

Also, I got an idea, but I'm not sure how practical it would be. So in (((certain countries))) it's hard to get barrels. Imagine a roller delayed rifle receiver that comes with say four barrel trunnions that would fit the barrel from the most popular rifles in that country.

So you'd obtain everything minus the barrel, and attach your own barrel from a rifle you already have. The only tools you'd need are a barrel wrench (which can be incorporated into a wire stock) and the go/no go headspacing gauges, which you would use to get the right headspacing, then use as the rollers in the bolt.

The idea is, everything you need for a baby-killing assault/battle rifle, minus the barrel, could be packed into a small, shoebox-sized package.

>>33694553
That's cool as fuck

>>33694690
how does that work?

>>33695251
>how does that work?
You unscrew the end, insert the shell, and the handle acts as the barrel. Once there's a shell loaded, you simply pull the bolt back by that small charging handle and release it.

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>>33693345
Looks like a LeMat or a LeFaucheux.

>>33693658
How old those percussion locks have to be ? I wish I could know their history...

>>33693275
that's not home made... its a AAA SAP

>>33693406
Honestly, if I had a bunch of extra Glock parts laying around, I'd try to do a sheet metal lower.

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Tfw no .22 tcm home made mp7

>>33693974
i might

>>33695241
Guy who asked if it was a Leader T2 here. My 2 centavos for a bolt is to use the common hardware store steel bolt, a drill chuck large enough to accomodate said bolt on a drill as an improvised lathe, and a set of files. One could probably create an AR-15/AR-180 style bolt with such a technique.

>>33693301
I think the sight actually looks like "W" with a thin blade in between but you can't see in the pic.

>>33693040
Doesn't this one have intentional errors in the bolt's specifications or something like that?

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there is no limit to the comf

>>33696448
Are rattos /k/ approved

>>33695844
if these were a little more ergonomic i'd buy one

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My home-made 20x102mm electric cannon.

I'm not a robot.

I have a few pdf's of professor parabellum stuff.

https://www.mediafire.com/folder/ggs3mfujtfu1g/Guns

>>33693359

Browning © Lo Power

>>33692804

Wtf thats beautiful

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>>33694507
>aka with bondo on it
>homade

>>33693181
>>33693378
Looks a lot like a Walther MPL to me desu

>>33694553
>for your pressure

>>33693246
Upper left, is that a Martini Henry receiver?

>>33693088
I mean my logical brain is like "that is fucked" but a small part of my I'd like "that shit must have looked cool as fuck."

>>33695171
I know its from metro, I had no idea there was a contest

>>33695179
neat

>>33693170
How feasible would a completely non-metallic gun be? Non-metallic ammo? Ceramic bullets?

>>33693195
Don't you need a specific bolt carrier for that to work?

>>33693275
Looks like a gun from MGSV

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>>33693275
>Actual Leader T2

>>33692804
Seriously I would buy one of those.

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>>33693255
holy shit that's sexy
I want one

>>33699487
Primers are you going to be problematic. If you don't mind matchlock, 100% viable.

>>33693125
Huh, so Fallout 4 wepaons weren't completely retarded.

>>33699487
A blackpowder matchlock - sure

can you make a flintlocktype gun with ceramics making the spark?

>>33700236
How about replacing the flint with a strike-anywhere match? That way you have the benefit of not having a length of rope burning constantly.

>>33700236
>>33700262
Actually, now that I think about it, that'd probably be easier to pull off as a wheel lock.

>>33693955
That barrel, printed in Nylon, lasts for over 50 shots.

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>>33693051
dumb as shit, just use this

>>33693059
I've wanted to build one in the original caliber just because of how sex it is. Once I get my machinist certificate I should be able too.

>>33693441
>Literally GLA
I DIE FOR OUR CAUSE

>>33692804
You have balls making your own revolver, I'd be so worried about the timing. It's fucking sexy, good work.

>>33694379
kek

>>33696677
i remember your thread, its cool af

>>33700337
>Command and Conquer predicted ISIS

>>33693513
That's actually pretty sick with the Pachmayr grips

>>33693279
Block 19

>>33693300
There's no sights or way to mount an optic.

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>>33695180
What kind of pipe was used for this? I tried looking up pipes on Lowe's and Home Depot's website and couldn't seem to find a pipe that was rated for the same pressure as 12gauge. I may be retarded though.

>>33692728
The guy who made that has some videos on gun making.
https://youtu.be/hJzgdX4UwRk

>>33694468
>homemade guns are illegal

>>33701004
http://www.e-sarcoinc.com/12-gauge-stainless-1-125-29-5-long-barrel.aspx

>>33693181
thats fucking SICK

>>33701166
That's actually pretty neat. I wonder if the bolt actually has locking lugs, or does it just rely on the receiver pipe?

Just looking at the photo, the rearward side of the slot looks a smidge egged out.

>>33701104
I'd like something more readily available. DIY frankengun shouldn't have special parts.

>>33696677
Got any more details?

>>33693125
>Are you tired of having a face?
>TRY OUR NEW FACE REMOVER 3.54
>NOW WITH EXTRA SHOT IN OUR HIGH BRASS SHELLS

>>33693381
i feel bad about this cuz it was just some dude in japan making homemade guns to see if they worked. not even selling them or committing crime, just building them

>>33693279
bulldog 9mm?

>>33693601
>>33693987
Do you have the ownership/hunting/sports shooter license to obtain the ammunition or did yah get it from the local caserios?
>t. Las Piedras anon

>>33693304
Bottom one is straight fallout 4 status lol

>>33693275
I passed up a Leader T2 in 2014 for $800, been kicking myself ever since.

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>>33700285

Does anybody have the homemade claymore with a soupcan schematic?

Any books on this topic/more schematics?

anyone tried making a homemade sten gun?

>>33694181
nigga he's from jamaica

>>33693170
Nah, it's just lost a bit of steam and focus.
The all printed gun is retarded, but the liberator12k guys got a few fresh ideas, and we could always use more lowers.
Shit, why not create a straight pull AR upper? I'm sure it could work it as long as the locking lugs hold.

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Someone plz send a jig for the front and rear trunnions....

>>33702056
I'm planning on doing one. Already got the sten parts kit. The main thing holding mw back is lack of welding skills. I need to learn that first. And I want to rework the bolt to feed from Uzi or Colt mags instead of Sten ones.

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>>33694175
Well I ended up passing out last night before I posted anymore so let the pics commence

>>33701321
I personally wouldn't fire anything made from Home Depot pipe. You can get good quality stainless from a normal industrial metal supply place, and it's generally not hard to find a store that will sell small quantities to the public if you google around for a bit. (Or you can order from McMaster or whatever.)

I'm planning on homebuilding a prototype in the next few years myself, but I'll probably use an actual barrel blank and some other off-the-shelf gun parts, because I want it to be a proof of concept for a mass produceable gun. (A simple closed-breech blowback pistol caliber carbine with a traditional stock etc. for ban state compliance, picture a cross between a STEN and Fallout 4's "Combat Rifle" and you'll be on the right track.)

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>>33692728

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>>33702504

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>>33702657

>>33692804
Is this something you designed yourself and don't want to share, or are plans available? I finished my first homebuild recently, (little 25 auto, cricket or something) and it was just ok, but my proudest part was the rifling in the barrel.

I'd love the challenge of doing it again on a smaller caliber like .22

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>>33702694

>>33693345
Whoever made that played way too much Rust.

>>33693318
hk33 lower, aguila minishells

>>33693392

>You vs the guy she told you not to worry about

>>33702784
Its a prop.

>>33701984

the idea of a nerf punch gun is pretty funny to me.

you punch a motherfucker, and the little dart gently pokes them.

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>>33702724

>>33693088
>get two of pic, akimbo
Nuff said

>>33693406
Isn't this one of the Khyber Pass guns?

>>33692956
That looks like it would work pretty damn well.

>>33702475

That build sounds awesome. Would love to see what's out there like this

>>33693040
Dont do the atf will shoiot your doggos

So like
Fallout 4 thread?

>>33704342
I'd say we understand firearms much more than anybody at Bethesda does, but we are on /k/.
So yeah Fallout 4 thread.

>>33696677
is that a blind fire fucking anti tank gun with a 64 controller for the triggering mechanism? I'm in love.

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>>33700618
I give it a year before we start seeing chemical weapon spraying tractors.

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>>33704714
Another pic for fun.

>>33693264
ffffuuuuucccckkkkkkk

I want it so badddd

>>33696871
holy fuck you got me, woke up my dogs lol

>>33693544
something really classy about this one

>>33693318
Looks like someone tried to make a 40k bolt pistol in real life.

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>>33702008

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>>33705319

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>>33705343

>>33693255
Looks like a hi-power and a broomhandle lovechild

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>>33693318

..........Is that closed?

>>33702723
Westwood?

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>>33702723

Neat. Can you post pictures of your build?

For a revolver you could adapt this design which is very similar:

https://www.scribd.com/document/340746612/DIY-22-Revolver-plans-Professor-Parabellum

>>33701055
Unregistered F/A SMG's are.

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>>33694010

Broken arm from a .22......

>>33701980
Next you'll tell me you didn't buy a K2 for 600.

>>33702367
Dude, if the welds on your STEN look like giant turds circumscribing the receiver, then that'll just make it look more genuine.

>>33707210
this thread has been mostly single shot or semi automatics

>>33693441
Looks like a Webley revolver

>>33702620
That this isn't homemade, it's actually ment to shoot pepper spray shotgun shells and be a baton at the same time, originally marketed to law enforment but never took off. considering it's all aluminum I would be worried about shooting a full power load

>>33707221
He's talking about punching a solid object with a chunk of metal in between two fingers, not the recoil of the 22

>>33707606
Wow that's aluminum? No wonder they rejected it.

>>33694256
This is where sourcing non-critical parts from deacts or toy guns would come in handy. Not so much for looks, but rather because they are already good for gripping and general ergonomics. Example- taking the stock off a deact or toy.

>>33698393
It's probably from a Rook Rifle or similar small-caliber Martini style rifle. BSA made a bunch of small-action Martinis in .310 Rook, as well as .22lr for the Australians.

>>33707659
Yea I got an opportunity to see one and handle it, the pepper spray rounds were real low power so it didn't need to contain a lot of pressure but considering how light it is the baton function doesn't work that well

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>>33695241
It probably wouldn't handle .308 pressures, but one idea could be re-using the design from the Winchester 59 semi-auto shotgun. This had a floating chamber that the bolt locked into. The nice thing about this design is that you can get away with a weaker barrel than otherwise. The Winchester 59 had a fiberglass barrel with a steel liner, for example.

This way, the only really critical strength parts are all fairly compact.

>>33699551
IIRC it needs an SP1 profile bolt carrier, which is not rare or expensive

>>33694083
Fucking kek

>>33694083
My friend knows a guy who fucks all kinds of fruits. Bananas, an apple, a watermelon, and more. The guy takes pictures and shit of himself doing it.

>>33694083
it's more like losing your virginity to a test tube baby

>>33702723
Don't .25acp casings have a rim? You could modify the design and use the same kind of barrel sort of. The rifling tool anyway. Unless you want it in .22lr mainly for the caliber, which is just fine too.

I'd just use a barrel liner inside of something else.

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>>33709075
They are commonly called "semi-rimmed". Even though they are kinda pricey for what they are, I still really wish I could own one of these.

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>>33706790
>a manually turned six shot cylinder
That was a bit of a let down.

>>33699551
SP1. You could 3dprint a drop-in-auto-sear with an altered profile to release the disconnector, but I and 500 rounds wouldn't know anything about that :^)

>>33706183
Details on this one?

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>>33710509

>>33693255
Who made this, and how do I get one?

>>33694570

> yeah it uses a DeWalt lower

>>33710490
>>33710509
>>33710525
How do I make it?

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>>33693051

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>>33696603
>if these were a little more ergonomic i'd buy one
These are literally DIY guns
just make a ergonomic one yourself

>>33693304
>taurus minigun
>literally fallout 4 tier

>>33702268
Get a small c clamp and clamp the trunnions in and drill using the trunnion holes as a guide.

If you start from flats do that to one side before bending then finish once bent

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>>33702268
>I also got a ROM kit from apex

Not a fan of dongs though

This crazy chick is making a handgun from scratch. She's a damn good machinist.

https://youtu.be/lFQnXOm1vHU

>>33711348
Reverse engineer a Colt 1908

>>33715345
Her revolver series of videos is fan-bloody-tastic.

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>>33693318
I'll have one one day, it's only a matter of time.

>>33711992
Fucking amazing!
To bad I live in a nanny state.

>>33703701
It's Russian if I remember correctly.

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This thing here.

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>>33717714
Kinda reminds me of this... Except this is India's military issue rifle.

>>33717714
I remember the thread where someone actually bought that poor gun.

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>>33692728

>>33719176
retard

>>33701803
Nice try mr police man

>>33693195
>>33699551
Needs an SP1 style cut at the back, I think the original SP1 bolt carriers didn't have a shrouded firing pin, but DPMS makes a "commercial" spec one with the right cut for those devices as well as a shrouded firing pin.

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/214234/dpms-bolt-carrier-group-commercial-ar-15-223-remington-556x45mm-matte

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>>33693359

Meanwhile, at Taurus.

>>33693181
That is sexy

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It's called AK-22, and was used in the Dhaka terrorist attack. It's manufactured in the slums in Bangladesh.

>>33719857
neat

>>33711992
That was done in Massachusetts, the worst state for guns in the USA

>>33694507
looks like hes trying to make a lazrifle

>>33704404
For what?
theres like four ways to win and its all the same builds...Not even a role playing game anymore.
>sarcastic response.

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Couple of attempts at .22lr versions of a takedown rifle similar to the one in 'Day of the Jackal.' 32 and 37 ounces.

>>33700236
Why not use an extended reach lighter with the nozzle at the touch hole?

>>33711348
Step one: Cut out a piece of metal in the shape of the gun.
Step two: Build the rest of the fucking gun.

>>33693051
>not calling it the fistol

>>33693301
? it looks like a mk2 greasegun front sight

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>>33693366
I would be so hard

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>>33693366
boiiiii

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>>33722777
checked

>>33721824

Did you make those off existing actions or completely new?

>>33722809
Plumbing pipe for the tubes. Plain steel rod stock for the bolts. Sort of Sako style extractors - the one with the CF sleeve JB Welded over a Redman bore liner extracts perfectly but for the earlier one I'll have to make a new part as it's iffy a lot of the time. Both fire 100% of the time with Remington, CCI, Fiocchi, Federal, whatever subsonics. Never fired supersonics in them.

>>33722858
For the earlier model I used a Chinese Industry QB brand .22" barrel so it's not quite as accurate, but decent. Both tubular stocks hold ammo, 10 rounds for one, 12 for the other. Butt pads unscrew. Springs inside prevent rattling.

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>>33705343
Oh shit, that reminds me of a picture I saw posted a lot on here a few years back.

It was some kind of abomination of an SKS, G3, AKM, maybe some other gun parts all stuck together in what appeared to be an actual functioning rifle.

Does anyone remember that?