Abrams vs T-90 >It's time for an upgrade

>>33691155
Why upgrade your tanks when we have 200+ F35s ready to fuck ground targets?

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>>33691155
It was time a few years ago, and we did, so...

>>33691155

T-90 is a 65% solution for 50% of the cost, plus muh ATGMs and mobility advantage. Then again
> USAF

>>33691155

T-14 is Russia's upgrade. What's America's?

>>33691196
Send an F-15E, A-10, or 64D instead please.

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>>33691155
Yes, its called the SEPv3.

>>33691528
>T-90 is a 65% solution for 50% of the cost,

No.

>>33691235
>Still no APS.
God damn burgers. Just buy Trophy and be done with it.

>>33691759
Try keeping up with the news.

>>33691685
>A-10
Why send that when you could send an F16? It'll get there faster/

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>>33691727

> Implying that the US has their entire line up being turned into SEPv3s

> Implying that all Abrams can survive an infinite amount of ATGMs and other shit

Burger pls, sure your fuckton of desert tan freedom-mobiles are cool but they aren't invincible on the battlefield

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>>33692416
> Implying that the US has their entire line up being turned into SEPv3s

All M1A2's will be.

> Implying that all Abrams can survive an infinite amount of ATGMs and other shit

Fascinating strawman.

>>33692416
>> Implying that the US has their entire line up being turned into SEPv3s
that's what's done with every other rebuild.
all M1s became M1A1s, then that went through its run, and then all A1s became A2s, and then went through SEP, and now all A2 SEPV2s will be A2 SEPV3s

>>33691155
Why bother with a new model when nothing Russia can make is competitive, and we still have room for upgrades? It's not like tank tech depreciates the way fighters do.

>>33692416
>Implying Russian doctrine can do anything

>>33691155
>Abrams gets hit by Kornet, 4 dead americans
>T-62 gets hit by Kornet, 4 dead iraqis
makes u think

>>33692669

Most modern armies (US and RUS included) have only been fighting asymmetric wars. You can't judge either of their doctrines involving other modern forces based off of how well they killed some turrists in bumfuckistan.

>>33692606
There are more A1's than A2's in the US military, but there are more A2's in active use than A1's.

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>>33692635

>Nothing Russia can make is competitive

*Cough*

>>33691155
Are you seriously comparing inferior Russian bullshit tanks with American armor?

This board blows me away with the absolute stupidity. Nothing the Russians have made since the 70's is in anyway comparable to the modern American defense industry.

>>33692760
LOL.

just no. I can't believe the Russian shilling and cock sucking that goes on here. Nothing they make is on the level wth America.

>>33692745
Better guns, better optics, and more reliable loading, and far better situational awareness and tactics.

Russia couldn't steamroll Georgia, and decided to sneak troops and equipment into Ukraine as a stealth invasion. Hell, they got BTFO by Chechnya. TWICE.

>>33692760
>Can't afford more than a couple demo units

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>>33692760

>Watch out for the 14 slightly advanced tanks we made

Oh boy I sure am worried about Russia suddenly pulling a 180 and becoming a functional country again.

You can't even give all of your troops optics or gloves, fuck off please

>>33692760
Having 5 "super tanks" to supplement your other four MBTs isn't being competitive

You could make a baseball team with any two of the best players in history, but if the other 23 guys on your roster are retarded cripples you're not a competitive team.

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>>33692803

Salty Amerikan cannot into the fact that anyone else on the planet can compete with their favourite jew-S.A freedom mobile.

Go back to being upset about some dude not standing for the anthem on facebook faggot

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>>33692760
>TFW Poland has a better tank

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>>33692868

What the fuck is that???????

When did they upscale a dollar store future war toy tank????

>>33692858
>US can spend 10x as much as Russia on their military at lower burden on the economy
>Russians only have shitposting to try to compensate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrU1hZxSEXQ

>>33692850

But anon, this has always been Russians principal science the Soviet Union collapsed and they descended into Oligarchical proto-fascism

Make some cool looking noddles or demos as some dick waving, then continue to produce nearly 60 year old equipment.

>>33692883
>Oligarchical proto-fascism
Kleptocracy is more accurate.

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i'll just leave this leopard 2 here...

>>33692858

I wish Russians were not so salty, you guys would be cool otherwise.

Drop it Boris, you lost. The Cold War ended 30 years go. Stop trying to start shit and we wont need to launch another 60 missiles

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>>33692858

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>>33692903
And I'll just leave THIS Leopard II here.

>>33692901

Only reason I say Fascism is because of the hard core Russian nationalists who will ironically complain about the "NATO pigs, American Nazis" before heading home to their shit hole apartments and passing out in their own piss

>>33692903
Kind of like what Turkey does with their Leo 2s

>>33692858
Pathetic Russian.

>>33692921
So much truth.

>>33692868

They Battlefield 2143 now!

>>33692416
> Implying that the US has their entire line up being turned into SEPv3s

They are.

> Implying that all Abrams can survive an infinite amount of ATGMs and other shit

They can't, but neither can any other tank.

>>33692846
You forgot
>socks for footwraps
t. Russian Army circa 2014

>>33692878

Calm Your tits, just a fibreglas non-functional body kit on a borrowed CV-90 chassis. Courtesy of Jews form BAE.
t. kurwa

>>33692760
Can someone explain to me why they made the T-14 this way?

Russian tank design was always been specific to their doctrine of heavy offensive actions. Hence the low profile and features seen through the majority of their MBTs such as the T-72, T-80, and T-90.

Why did suddenly Russia switch to a Western style tank more useful in defensive actions?

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>>33691196
>This is the Chair Force's idea of close air support
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>33692416
>> Implying that all Abrams can survive an infinite amount of ATGMs and other shit

Nor will they have to.
I was a crew member on a T90 back in the late 90s and early 2000s.
At most a tank might have four to six guided munitions, usually 9M119M(1) and 9M119F(1) at a 2:1 ratio. Even the T90K, has this.

>>33692926
>The moment of inertia of that fucking turret
What's the rotation speed on that thing?

>>33695752
State your arguments about what's wrong with it

>>33691196
active protection systems pretty much take aircraft out of the equation against tanks.

>>33695731
Because they know their auto-loader design is extremely vulnerable, and easy to blow the entire in-turret magazine, so they are reducing the crew count to two, both hosted in the hull.

>>33695752
>I thing the "close" in CAS means the plane!

>>33695797
>Almost zero cannon ammo
>Has to drop bombs or missiles (of which it also has a very limited amount)
>Not armored, zero protection from small arms
It's trash

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>>33695863
>Implying guns matter
>Implying it doesn't have a higher chance to hit with the programmable bursts

>In same environments the A-10 can fly it not only hauls more, and a broader variety, it can load every position except the 4 hard A2A points.

>Hurr CAS means close to ground durr

>>33695863
Exactly this
>>33695904

>>33692882
US shit costs 10X more than slavshit though

>>33695952
It actually works, though.

>>33695973
so does slavshit

>>33695974
Poorly at best, when it's not in for overhaul yet again.

>>33695863
Goddamn you're a fucking retard

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>American ITT believe Russia only have 5 T-14

this pic is from 2014 though

>>33696499
SWEET FUCKING JESUS THEY GOT 2 MORE,

Do they have enough ERA Blocks to cover the things in before they ship them off to some 3rd world country?

>>33696499
WOW, SEVEN! I MEAN JUST WOW

>>33695764
What military anon? Russia?

>>33692746
This nigga gets it

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>>33692803
>Nothing they make is on the level wth America.

Exactly

America has to decide which technology not to unveil, so it doesn't get stolen

The rest of the world has to use their newest tech to remain relevant

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>>33692926
Reminder

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>>33696758

>>33696865
How is North Korea not on there? And how does Saudi ARabia suck so much with that amount of money?

>>33695775
I wasn't a tanker, but as a tank Bully I learned that our LEOs active retaliation system fires back in about 2 seconds, no matter what side you shoot it from
So I guess rotation is pretty quick?

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>>33696888
Probably no data available for that year.

>>33696888
Probably couldn't get a reliable number for NK.

>>33696758
im pretty sure every other military does the same thing about hiding their newest toys

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>>33696965
There's no replacement
for displacement

>>33696499
i thought they had like 12 but of course 5 of those is always in repair. figures.

>>33696888
Probably because the GDP of America is much bigger than the GDP of Saudi Arabia.
That chart shows it as a percentage of thier GDP not how much actual money is being spent

>>33692416
>Implying Abram isn't invincible

>>33695775
360 in 12, if I remember correctly

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>>33692868

>>33692843

To be fair, Russian-Georgian war wasn't a full on invstion. If it was I don't think anyone doubts Russia would have steamrolled them. They would have SEAD'd the entire Georgian air defense and zerged the entire country in 2 weeks.

Also Russia did get BTFO'd beyond belief in the first Chechen war, but they ducked Chechnya up the second time.

Back on topic though, I'm sure the Abrams is just fine or else the US would have upgraded. They have too much money to have a outdated tank force.

>>33692843
shut the fuck butthurt amerinigger

jesus christ, cant we have for once a nice tank thread? Burgers always buttblasted and vodkas always trolling

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>>33696888

>how does Saudi ARabia suck so much

Arabs, brah.

Also checked.

Yes, because America couldn't rip-off the Armata if we wanted to.

Come on Russia, we have technological superiority. You really think it's beyond our capability to copy you?

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Maybe the Abrams can compete with other tanks of the same generation when tgey replace the engine and make it so it dosent fucking use Jet Fuel, because thats pretty fucking retarded from a logistical stand point.

>>33699227
Arab culture is to pay someone else. They think it's beneath them to even kill their enemies, so they hire pmcs or get the oppressed lower classes to do the dirty. Basic training for squaddies is likely to focus more on the 17 different ways of serving tea to an officer and how to properly accept a beating when you get it wrong.

>>33699428
Hasn't been a real problem yet in two gulf wars.

>>33692868
TFW it's just a CV-90 with a body-kit

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>>33699137

>>33691560
A tank that was designed several decades ago and can still out shoot and out penetrate it at any range. Daily reminder, the best 3 tanks currently in service are all Nato owned.

>>33691759
Its not needed. Svinet and Vaccum ammo cannot penetrate the frontal arc, and can only penetrate the side at close ranges. Our armor is good enough that warranting the purchase of thousands of trophy units is over kill. Also plot twist: the hard points and software to mount APS on the abrams existed before russia even began testing the prototype T14. Again, there is no need for it. We dont cover our tanks in reflective explosives and psuedo composite armors of shit quality.

>>33699428

Your getting this backwards, it uses a Turbine based engine similar to air craft but it can use multiple fuel sources.

Its upkeep that is the problem as it does not like dust. In terms of logistics its easy at least in terms of fuel types.

All its took was googling it you cunt

The Honeywell AGT1500 is a gas turbine engine. It is the main powerplant of the M1 Abrams series of tanks. ... The engine can use a variety of fuels, including jet fuel, gasoline, diesel and Marine Diesel.

>>33699428
Luckily the US has the best logistical supply chain in the world. The turbine is also more then a small gap ahead of other MTU diesels used in the same comparative tanks. The turbine offers significant improvements over them, to include being quiter, torque at 4x the speed and 8 times less rpm range to acheive peak power output. Not having a turbine that works is a poor fag causation, not a "logical" one.

>inb4 it cooks troops
>in after theres legitimate videos and photos of infantry behind the tank
>in after I literally used the exaust to cook food and dry clothes w/o being burned

>>33700770
Dust isnt anymore of an issue then any other tank, all engines will suffer damage from any amount of sand intake. However with 10x the air intake, the turbine also has 5x the filters, and a self cleaning pulse air jet system that self cleans the filters.

>>33700811

I was saying it dust is a larger threat because of the use of a turbine engine, it is more likely to fuck stuff up with smaller amounts.

But like you said the focus on good filter/filter systems is used to over come this.

>>33695824
WAT?

A 500lb laser guided bomb doesn't give two shits about a tanks APS. Tank = dead.

>>33699247
America has no intention of responding to the T90M5000 which is a tank thats 10 years at the minimum behind the US in technology. It defenitley has minimal interest in responding to a tank thats 5 years behind the Abrams in tech. Being new doesnt mean being better, Russia cant even grt most of its new aviation developments right, has zero naval innovation, what the hell makes the armata so much more special then what already exists? Nothing. Its still behind. Just not as far as behind.

Meanwhile the last 6 or 7 years, saw development of the SEP V2, the best tank on the world stage. Last year they rolled out the SEP V3 which unironically boasted even more armor protection (4 tons more armor at least) and an even more lethal weapon system with data linking ammo, and the M829A4 super sabot, the bar is set really fucking high, the closest match isnt the T14, but the LeoIIA7+ but even it has some lacking features, namely C4ISR integration and weaker ammo. Step the fuck up before spouting RT pundits.

>>33696758
That number for China is low. They're estimated to spend closer to $300B (or 50% of US spending) when hidden spending is added in.

>>33700725
>Its not needed
Than why is your military even bothers to test it?
http://www.scout.com/military/warrior/story/1668691-army-buys-vehicle-active-protection-systems

>>33700905
Well that explains why they caught up so quickly. I mean you still have to test shit even if you copy others.

>>33692760
Holy Shit, look at the height of that thing, it must look like a fucking barn from the side!!

>>33696865
And the Saudi's STILL can't fight their way out of a paper bag.

>>33695904
>no maverick
I'll miss that old fat pig but its probably time to retire it. SDB II will probably do the same thing for less and more effectively.

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>>33692921
top kek

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>>33696776
What about it?

Germany always used the iron cross symbol way before WW2 it just go famous because of bideo bames

>>33702090

>NATO
>Switzerland
>Mexico

SO I STOOD UP AND TOLD THAT THERE TEACHING LADY: "THE ONLY LETTERS I NEED IS U-S-A!"

>>33702497

Forgot Sweden as well.

>>33702497
>so autistic he has to zoom in on a blurry image to find small discrepancies

>>33702522

Damage control in play here.

>>33695731
>Russian tank design was always been specific to their doctrine of heavy offensive actions. Hence the low profile and features seen through the majority of their MBTs such as the T-72, T-80, and T-90.
The reason for the low profile is not that it makes it harder to see on the battlefield, but that the internal armored volume is much smaller, which pllays into the lighter tank schtick. The T-14 is not that much heavy - 55 tons at the max, but it has much improved armor atop of heavier equipment. If they wanted to they could have made the unmanned turret articulated on a massive boom and have it snipe folks from 5m up.

>Why did suddenly Russia switch to a Western style tank more useful in defensive actions?
Because it isn't a western tank in any sense? what does a western tank even mean?

>>33695836
>Because they know their auto-loader design is extremely vulnerable, and easy to blow the entire in-turret magazine, so they are reducing the crew count to two, both hosted in the hull.
Except there's still three vatniks in the hull: driver, gunner and commander starting from the starboard side. It also doesn't have an in-turret magazine, no Russian tank did except for the Object 640 Chiorny Oriol (Black Eagle) prototype with its turret bustle AL a la Leclerc. What it does have is a vertical cassette carousel AL with both projectiles and propellant charges sitting upright, remedying the problem with the APFSDS being short since they are now 1.1 m long at the max as now constrained by the height of the turret ring from the hull floor, and improving their protection even further as they are now behind the thickest layer of armor and well below the likeliest areas to hit of the turret.

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>>33695752
Yeah it is.

>>33698813
The abrams is very much outdated
They've killed several big replacement programs

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>>33700725

>>33700657
Delusional as fuck.

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>>33702929
>It also doesn't have an in-turret magazine, no Russian tank did except for the Object 640 Chiorny Oriol
wat

T-72 and later all use the same turret system, with a carousel magazine right under the crew.

>>33700792
>use 3 times as much fuel because you want to cook food on the exhaust

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>>33700725

>Also plot twist: the hard points and software to mount APS on the abrams existed before russia even began testing the prototype T14.

counter plot twist:

Russia (or USSR) has fielded APS systems on tanks since fucking 1978, before the Abrams was even in service.

>>33700792
>Luckily the US has the best logistical supply chain in the world. The turbine is also more then a small gap ahead of other MTU diesels used in the same comparative tanks. The turbine offers significant improvements over them, to include being quiter, torque at 4x the speed and 8 times less rpm range to acheive peak power output. Not having a turbine that works is a poor fag causation, not a "logical" one.
yeh, god forbid the US fights an enemy that can fight back effectively. S'not like various schmucks have demonstrated capabilities to hit support assets deep in your supposedly safe(no IADS lol!) rear areas and cut off logistics amirite?

>>33700770
Most tank diesels are actually multifuel.

>>33700903
exactly the same reasoning why the US was stuck with shitty Pattons for most of the Cold War. don't worry the Germans and now French have your back with a tank ready for pinching by 2030. haha

>>33703025
its not an in-turret system, the AL is basically seated in the hull floor. An in-turret system is one situated mostly above the turret ring.

>>33700725
>lso plot twist: the hard points and software to mount APS on the abrams existed before russia even began testing the prototype T14.
care to point out where and what these are?

>>33703134
>its not an in-turret system
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zd16XjQd7gs

It's part of the turret, dumbass. It's under the crew floor, rotates with the turret and gun, and there's basically no protection for cookoffs. Which it also why the entire turret pops off with the slightest hint of damage.

>>33703064

that smoke grenade APS is a marvel of soviet engineering

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>>33703331
These are the interceptor launchers.

>>33703294
>It's part of the turret, dumbass. It's under the crew floor, rotates with the turret and gun, and there's basically no protection for cookoffs. Which it also why the entire turret pops off with the slightest hint of damage.
Its not part of the turret. If you lift the turret only the lift and hoist mechanism of the AL comes with the turret.

The turret pops because arabs are dumb chucklefucks who stow ammo in spare positions around the crewspace and not just in the AL- which has an 1" thick covering on top that also serves as floor for the crew. the ammo in the AL is a very unlikely position to be hit, being as low in the hull as you can get, and well behind the front hull armor.

>>33703095
>exactly the same reasoning why the US was stuck with shitty Pattons for most of the Cold War. don't worry the Germans and now French have your back with a tank ready for pinching by 2030. haha

I find this entertaining because the Germans and French used tanks on par with Patton's for most of the Cold War, and the German's replacement was an offshoot of the same project that the American's replacement was.

>>33703510
>All these excuses and attempts to redefine where the autoloader keeps its rounds, and attempts to claim monkey model

Here we see the Vatnik in his natural state - blaming everything but the bad design for problems.

He's probably blitzed, too.

Russia was the only place Anthony Bourdain went that the restaurant was deeply concerned that they weren't drinking /enough/ vodka at that point.

>>33691155
*Abrams vs T-72

Calling the T90 anything more than a go-for-broke upgrade would be a lie.

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>>33703294

>>33703605
>Not just proving my point

In the M1 that's more floor depth for the turret and an ammo cookoff doesn't kill the crew.

>>33703546
>Here we see the Vatnik in his natural state - blaming everything but the bad design for problems.
which is funny because there's much more abrams destroyed than T-90s.

>>33703525
>I find this entertaining because the Germans and French used tanks on par with Patton's for most of the Cold War, and the German's replacement was an offshoot of the same project that the American's replacement was.
Both the abrams and leo share much more with the German Keiler than the retarded MBT-70. The keiler being the Germans actual attempt at making a tank design that isn't constrained by humoring retarded american planners.

The Armata is a design the US looked at in the 80s and turned down in favor of the Abrams. Ammo cookoff leaves the crew fine and dandy, also the armor isn't slavic tier retarded.

>>33695824
Do you get all your military knowledge from Battlefield you fucking maroon?

>>33702104
fortunately googled this shit before fapping, you monster

>>33702997
that is a nice proof comrade
oh wait, it's just a shit quality picture.

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>>33705395
>Keiler
A German mine flail, based on M48 hull.
Nice try comrade Shitsky

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>>33703064
>Smoke Launchers
>APS

WW2 Called.

>>33700905
I could get behind that; and a US dollar goes way further there

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>>33703694
>and an ammo cookoff doesn't kill the crew

If the loader's ammunition hatch is closed. However the T72 is a shorter tank so depth is not an argument.

>>33702104
I think we all know what the reminder is about

>>33705900
wrong Keiler

>>33706217
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drozd
Try again burger.

>>33692868
>T-72 based
>Better...

i realy hope so, looks interesting though

>>33692943
This. Another one is how one of the foundations of fascism is a strong leader of an unique party in the government. This fits the situation of Russia quite well, at least unofficially, and that's ignoring all of the other aspects they have in common with fascist Italy. Incompetent military, claims to past greatness, invasion of land for historical reasons...

Then they go call Ukrainians and others fascist.

>>33706247
The hatch is closed except the one second the loader is pulling a round. That's a bullshit argument and you know it.

>>33696499
HOLY SHIT SEVEN! IT MIGHT TAKE 3 JDAMs TO DESTROY THEM ALL

>>33705395
I also find it entertaining that the MBT-70's failure was due to the unending delays caused by Germany.

>>33705885
that's some nice penis envy you got there bud.
>its longer than super sabot
>it pounds your armor with much higher energy on impact
>it also comes in DU
SLAV'ED
>How can americucks compete?

>>33706671
>The vatnik always puts the relationship between individuals or countries and the US in explicit terms of sexual dominance, a telling sign of Russia’s sometimes amusing but ultimately disturbing masculinity crisis.

>>33706585
>I also find it entertaining that the MBT-70's failure was due to the unending delays caused by Germany.
In what way? the two biggest problems on the technical end came from retarded design specs from the American side:
>Insisting on the shittarded 152 mm XM-81 gun/launcher whose raison'detre, the Shillelagh didn't even fucking work
>placing the driver within the turret, requiring a ridiculously complicated setup just to allow him to perform his duties
Even if the Germans weren't pussyfooting around, there's no way you can correct these 2 mortal flaws without scratching them off.
The Germans, knowing at least some shit, saw this and went with the Keiler so there's a viable option when the MBT-70 eventually got shitcanned.

>>33706691
>WHAT THE KEK SAY?

>>33706691
WHAT THE CVCK SAY?

>>33706777
goddamit wasted trips.

>>33706763
Neither of those 'issues' delayed the MBT-70.

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>>33706777
>>33706787

>>33706763
>the Shillelagh didn't even fucking work

Actually it did, you appear to be confused by recoil issues the Sheridan had early on.

>>33706795
They didn't. They destroyed the MBT-70.

>>33706840
not an argument, cvck

>>33706852
Neither is calling someone a cuck for calling out your country's cultural problem of toxic machismo.

I hope they've finally troll-fixed "cuck".

>>33706852
triggered wheraboo is triggered

>>33695904
The f-35 doesnt have wing mounted armaments for the "stealth" purposes

>>33706671
It also has less pen.

>how can ruscucks compete?

>>33707003
When flying against first world air forces no. When flying against achmead and his goat loving buddies yes.

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>>33691155

We can pretty much assume any tank hit by the opposing tank'a main gun will result in it being instantly taken out of action.

So the matter comes down to spotting and sensors, in which case the Abrams has the advantage because the thermals in the T-90A are archaic, and it doesn't really have a proper, fully integrated FCS.

The latest and greatest getting BTFO from 1970's tech,priceless

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5xKCzdhAC8&spfreload=10

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsKdt-eMGI8&spfreload=10

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjmxrU3yoeE&spfreload=10

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLyj3trldoo&spfreload=10

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>>33706303
>too high of a collateral damage issue

Holy kek, this APS kills dismounted friendly troops

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>>33707292

>Infantry

>Not disposable

ERA also kills nearby troops.

>>33707292
>swisscheesing commies

I'm not seeing the problem here.

>>33707292
may as well just use Infantry Armor Tbh

>>33707003
And the A-10 can't fly in an environment where stealth is necessary at all.

>>33707003
>Implying the A-10 can fly in environments where the F-35 is internal-only

>>33707292
Considering standard tactics for Russians is to have troops fanned out amongst the tanks to guard against ambush, spiderholes, and so on I can see how the APS killing troops was bad enough that even they decided to stop using it.

>>33707089
>It also has less pen.
in your dreams, maybe. meanwhile in the real world a longer (~900mm) penetrator fired with much higher velocity (1750m/s) and made of DU pretty much means the M1A2 SEP v3 is kaput. Da fuck they even bother to upgrade when it gets pen. even before it left the drawing board lol!

>>33696499
Apparently, there were over 20 of them as of September 2016
It is planned that Russia will have 100 of them by end of 2020.

>>33707792
>Considering standard tactics for Russians is to have troops fanned out amongst the tanks to guard against ambush, spiderholes, and so on I can see how the APS killing troops was bad enough that even they decided to stop using it.
no it wasn't. bout the only time they ever employed the infantry as forward screens ahead of armor is in Grozny and similar urban scenarios. Kinda hard to put the infantry up there when there's a curtain wall of high explosives and shrapnel happening just ahead of tanks- hence the BMPs to protect the soft infantry until its go time and even then they are well behind of tanks.

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>>33708350
>Russian loads
>DU

>>33708350
Overall length =/= penetrator length.

>>33706350
Yea sure m8 everyone is a fascist
The US organized a coup to take over Ukraine, they started this civil war there

>>33709650
Ha, you actually believe that crap from Pravda?

>>33709650
>Yea sure m8 everyone is a fascist
Pretty rich coming from a vatnik when all they do is call everyone else gay jewish nazis.

>>33700770
Cool your jets TIGER

>>33695775
Roughly 30deg/sec
Part of the A5 upgrade was a stronger turret motor, powerful enough for the A6 as well.

>>33706311
>>T-72 based
????
It's a CV-90-120 with a body kit and some new optics

>>33706513
So is mudslime leaving it open all the time.

>>33700944
>Than why is your military even bothers to test it?
>http://www.scout.com/military/warrior/story/1668691-army-buys-vehicle-active-protection-systems
>Because the only vehicles in Amerikan military are tanks.

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>>33691155
If your nation's MBT can't make pizza it's worth less than nothing

>>33692693
"""Citation needed"""

>>33702090
You could literally say the same thing about the global balance of power, GDP, and military spending just prior to both world wars.

>>33710394
Did you even read the article?

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>>33705881
Did you think that it was a girl (female)

Your gay now my man

Go jack off to some cute swedish boys

>>33707229
>>33707235
>>33707238
>>33707243
>Retards leave tank out in the open by itself
>Gets shot at by ATGMs, what a shocker
>One of the videos hand picked to show the M1s vulnerability shows it eating multiple missiles
>"Look upon the inferiority of American tech and despair"
Is this seriously what your news stations tell you guys? Do a little reading on what happens when the Americans are using them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_73_Easting

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>>33696865
>Canada
>1%

Don't remind me.

>>33702497
it would look weird with little islands in it.

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>>33714004

>>33707292

That's so Russian it hurts

>>33703064
>Implying Russian military fielded any other hard-kill APS after Drozd for T-55AM retired long time ago.

>>33715666
Arena

>>33692416
>Implying all of Russia's tanks are T-90s and those two man tank things they just came out with.

Most of their shit is just mothballed T-72s,64s, and 80s.

>>33715684
Arena was developed in 80-s but never serially manufactured. Arena-M went into preliminary trials only in 2017.

>>33707216
Is that a good assumption to make?

>>33707292
Show me an APS that doesn't kill faggots hovering around tanks.

>>33715720
>Most of their shit is just mothballed T-72s,64s, and 80s.
They plan to have disposed of the T-64s and early T-72s afaik. Since the 2300 T-14s by 2020 is now pushed to 2025 (and into SAP 2025 budget) they now have some dosh for upgrading the T-72Bs and T-80s, which they are indeed doing.

>>33692903

A fly could land on that armor and it'd break

>>33715820
All "western" APS use directed blast, a directional MEFP, or a no-frag blast warhead.

Ofc any friendly standing within 1-2m of the blast is dead, but without frag, anyone further away than 3-4m is pretty safe.

>>33691155
The Abrams/Bradley replacement, the Next Gen Combat Vehicle, will be a 50mm armed HIFV.

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>>33715771

Absolutely. You have no idea how much energy is imparted on a tank by a 120-125 mm gun. Even if it doesn't go straight through, it knocks loose so much shit that the vehicle is usually dysfunctional and the crew badly rattled.

Idealized frontal hits are also rare in real combat, most vehicles get picked off and killed across the flanks.

For example, an Abrams hit bit a T-72 in the first Iraq war in 1991 had the rough go through the turret ring, take the legs off the commander, jammed open the armored door, which then allowed the fire to ignite the ammo and whole thing was a write-off.

>>33717048
>For example, an Abrams hit bit a T-72 in the first Iraq war in 1991

Not to quibble but Iraqi ammo wouldn't leave the DU residue found on the entry hole, and that tank was shot from the side.

>>33691155
Dont worry, the m1a4 is already in development and is fixing the minimal flaws of the m1a2 and m1a3

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>>33691155
Honestly can we just let them have tanks? Slaviboos seem so proud of it but if we rip it away like we did with air and naval power theyd probably kill themselves

>>33717172
>Not to quibble but Iraqi ammo wouldn't leave the DU residue found on the entry hole

We're not talking about the same incident. There were close to 10-12 Abrams destroyed in GW1, despite the cliches.

>>33717507
And none from enemy fire. The worst was one disabled that was considered not worth dragging back so it was destroyed on-site.